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Post by Melc on Nov 14, 2023 1:24:31 GMT 1
Sorba going is a massive worry Moore stopping is a bigger worry. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 14, 2023 14:49:04 GMT 1
Don't think MR Moore is going anywhere this season. So unless he's been brought in as a scapegoat or a yes man the board need to back him. IMO we need a striker (not JR back) A new bought striker, not an old has been or a kid, someone proven, we have had a long time to source one, no excuses. We also have nothing at either side at full back, we need at least one or two additions, two Prem' loans or decent free agents. (surely we can afford the wages, relegation will cost more)! We will probably rely on Rhodes and sell Rudoni! Jan is is an important reflection of Nagel's ambitions. Get this wrong and a lot of people will turn their backs on the club. Death by mediocrity . I think that mediocrity would be too kind a description. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Nov 14, 2023 15:35:10 GMT 1
What we need are one or two players good enough to build the team around. Players who will lift every player up a peg of two. Players who excite the fans and whose names the local, future fan base will want printing on their back.
For too long, we’ve muddled along, cobbling together a team of journeymen and under-developed youngsters.
Kids want heroes and quality players stamp their identity into a team.
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Post by goodbet on Nov 14, 2023 17:25:20 GMT 1
What we need are one or two players good enough to build the team around. Players who will lift every player up a peg of two. Players who excite the fans and whose names the local, future fan base will want printing on their back. For too long, we’ve muddled along, cobbling together a team of journeymen and under-developed youngsters. Kids want heroes and quality players stamp their identity into a team. They would help bring the best out of the rest of the players we have. |
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Post by workshyfop on Nov 14, 2023 18:05:28 GMT 1
We need players who are up to standard, so lads who have played at Championship level or above (yes, Wiles might be the case against this approach). We can’t be taking punts on project players from lower divisions or abroad if we want to stay up from the position we are likely to be in. Finding the money and persuading them to come is another matter. It’s already starting to feel like too little too late, but hopefully we pick up the odd point before then. In terms of the overall management of the club, it’s been a disaster. Give Warnock a new contract and appoint backroom staff, let loads of players go and don’t invest properly, sack Warnock … well, you know the rest.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Nov 14, 2023 18:51:24 GMT 1
What we need are one or two players good enough to build the team around. Players who will lift every player up a peg of two. Players who excite the fans and whose names the local, future fan base will want printing on their back. For too long, we’ve muddled along, cobbling together a team of journeymen and under-developed youngsters. Kids want heroes and quality players stamp their identity into a team. They would help bring the best out of the rest of the players we have. Mooy had some on here thinking Hogg was a good enough DCM for the England team! Schindler and Hefele made Smith the best RB in the Championship the year we went up. I’ve no doubt Wiles would thrive in a good midfield. How much better would Sorba be with a quality striker to pick out? What would Diarra look like with runners to feed after he burst through the lines? Would Dean Gorre have been half the player he was without Thornley outside him and Stewart in front? I’ve no idea who the fan’s favourite player is at the minute. We have zero flair, zero creativity and zero goal threat. Football is entertainment and we don’t entertain. We can fiddle with food outlets, fan zones and clappers all we like - the only real way to get excitement in the stands is having excitement on the pitch. Give the fans something to believe in, give them some hope, offer them a dream and they’ll flock back. They WANT to be 100% behind the club, to pack the stands, fill the trains and clamour for away tickets again. All they need is for the board to show a fraction of the passion and commitment that they do. For far too many years they’ve been told more about budgets and financials than just enjoying what happens in the pitch. It’s pretty exhausting and means that what should be pure hedonistic escapism is rooted in the grim realities of everyday life for many. Come on Kev, sell us a dream! We all truly want to believe. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Nov 14, 2023 19:06:45 GMT 1
Is Paulo Wanchope or Kevin Phillips still available.
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Post by softboy on Nov 19, 2023 18:07:08 GMT 1
Stay out of relegation zone, like we are doing now! Every club has injuries but to not have Kasumu available, Hogg being out for a few games and loosing Rudoni, Bergzorb in the same week in my view has made it a difficult task for DM.
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Post by Jimuano on Nov 19, 2023 18:42:43 GMT 1
Stay out of relegation zone, like we are doing now! Every club has injuries but to not have Kasumu available, Hogg being out for a few games and loosing Rudoni, Bergzorb in the same week in my view has made it a difficult task for DM. Even with them available we're still a team that would be lucky to avoid relegation. |
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Post by shawsie on Nov 19, 2023 23:36:32 GMT 1
Expectation for me isn’t spending huge money or bringing in 6 or 7 players - more the signs of a coherent plan to develop the squad.
This imho should be identifying young players with hunger and potential but are better than what we have.
We can’t continue short term panic buying / loaning to keep us in the division or bringing in cheap options who aren’t good enough at this level………..we have to break this cycle if we want to compete upwards.
It’s a real dilemma because DM has shown nothing as yet and it’s a brave owner that gives him a budget of note to work with based on the evidence to date.
On the positive side, sheff wed are dreadful, Rotherham poor also and a few other sides aren’t much better - but right now I can’t see us scoring never mind winning a game unless the likes of Hogg, burgzorg, rudoni, ward, koroma return and quickly.
Time will tell as it always does………….but the club have to re-engage a lot of its fan base sharpish if it wants to push forward - I haven’t known such apathy for a long time and incentives off the pitch deliver little unless the product on it is watchable and successful.
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Post by durhamterrier on Nov 20, 2023 9:51:31 GMT 1
My unfortunately honest expectations are:
Return to fitness of Ward, Turton, Ruffels, Burgzorg, Koroma and Rudoni paper over huge gaps in squad.
Rhodes recalled as back up
Linked with loads of strikers and attacking players
Chancer winger from league one signed
Journeyman championship striker signed on loan
Promise of an exciting deadline capped off by Sorba Thomas being sold and us signing a dud from USA .
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Post by castlehillterrier on Nov 20, 2023 11:08:40 GMT 1
expectations are for a busy window, 4-5 players in and 1-2 out.
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Post by runner76 on Nov 20, 2023 11:17:15 GMT 1
expectations are for a busy window, 4-5 players in and 1-2 out. If 2 out needs minimum 5 in….. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Nov 20, 2023 11:57:25 GMT 1
expectations are for a busy window, 4-5 players in and 1-2 out. If 2 out needs minimum 5 in….. if 2 go out that are not getting much game time currently and replaced by 5 who improve the starting 11 then that would be a massive change. something like a squad as below GK Nicholls, Maxwell, Chapman (no need to change this) RB / RWB Turton, Edwards, Jackson. LB / LWB Yuta, Ruffles, Headley CB lees, pearson, Helik, (yuta and Ruffles can play here also) New CB, LB or RB. CM (attack and Def) Hogg, Rudoni, Wiles, Kasumu, Diara, New CM RW Sorba, New RW LW Koroma, Jones, Bergzorg CF New CF x 2, Ward, Rhodes, Hudlin, Harratt Say REG and Austerfield leave |
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Post by dezzly on Nov 20, 2023 12:27:28 GMT 1
If 2 out needs minimum 5 in….. if 2 go out that are not getting much game time currently and replaced by 5 who improve the starting 11 then that would be a massive change. something like a squad as below GK Nicholls, Maxwell, Chapman (no need to change this) RB / RWB Turton, Edwards, Jackson. LB / LWB Yuta, Ruffles, Headley CB lees, pearson, Helik, (yuta and Ruffles can play here also) New CB, LB or RB. CM (attack and Def) Hogg, Rudoni, Wiles, Kasumu, Diara, New CM RW Sorba, New RW LW Koroma, Jones, Bergzorg CF New CF x 2, Ward, Rhodes, Hudlin, Harratt Say REG and Austerfield leave Personally I’d like to see a right back in that could also play as a wing back.Send Edwards back. 2 midfielders,one defensive playmaker type and one attacking no10 type If we can get someone for the left along the lines of sorba for chance creation I’d go that way and then bring a centre forward in If wanted to be greedy get another striker in though if we have ward,a new one plus koroma able to play there I’d take that. I’d put creating chances as the priority over trying to sign someone who you think is a goal scorer/maker of they’re own goals.The team has lacked chance creation for years. |
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Post by crux on Nov 20, 2023 13:01:31 GMT 1
expectations are for a busy window, 4-5 players in and 1-2 out. That's OK if the 1 or 2 out are Edwards and maybe Austerfield, Hudlin or REG. Assuming we get at least 2 strikers, a right back and a midfield player incoming. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 20, 2023 14:50:23 GMT 1
For me we need quality first to last.
We all know the positions we need filling and with the right quality they will help to pull up the rest of the squad to the right level.
With the right players and some returning from injury we could get away with as little of just three players.
It would still be a risk as they would have to play and be free from injury for the rest of the season, but as it is Town we are talking about anything above that would be a bonus.
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Post by willo on Nov 20, 2023 16:56:00 GMT 1
expectations are for a busy window, 4-5 players in and 1-2 out. Every one has to be able to walk into our first 11. No “projects”, no journeyman a la Knockeart or Puncheon and no more excuses! |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 20, 2023 18:19:27 GMT 1
expectations are for a busy window, 4-5 players in and 1-2 out. Every one has to be able to walk into our first 11. No “projects”, no journeyman a la Knockeart or Puncheon and no more excuses! That’s correct. And no one carrying a long term injury. Sounds crazy that a club would do this, but of course we have! |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Nov 20, 2023 19:17:02 GMT 1
If 2 out needs minimum 5 in….. if 2 go out that are not getting much game time currently and replaced by 5 who improve the starting 11 then that would be a massive change. something like a squad as below GK Nicholls, Maxwell, Chapman (no need to change this) RB / RWB Turton, Edwards, Jackson. LB / LWB Yuta, Ruffles, Headley CB lees, pearson, Helik, (yuta and Ruffles can play here also) New CB, LB or RB. CM (attack and Def) Hogg, Rudoni, Wiles, Kasumu, Diara, New CM RW Sorba, New RW LW Koroma, Jones, Bergzorg CF New CF x 2, Ward, Rhodes, Hudlin, Harratt Say REG and Austerfield leave We need two new CMs, two new wingers, a right back and a striker for me. So at least 6 new players in. Centre back is the only position I’m confident is upto the level required. Or thereabouts. |
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Post by dezzly on Nov 20, 2023 21:45:51 GMT 1
if 2 go out that are not getting much game time currently and replaced by 5 who improve the starting 11 then that would be a massive change. something like a squad as below GK Nicholls, Maxwell, Chapman (no need to change this) RB / RWB Turton, Edwards, Jackson. LB / LWB Yuta, Ruffles, Headley CB lees, pearson, Helik, (yuta and Ruffles can play here also) New CB, LB or RB. CM (attack and Def) Hogg, Rudoni, Wiles, Kasumu, Diara, New CM RW Sorba, New RW LW Koroma, Jones, Bergzorg CF New CF x 2, Ward, Rhodes, Hudlin, Harratt Say REG and Austerfield leave We need two new CMs, two new wingers, a right back and a striker for me. So at least 6 new players in. Centre back is the only position I’m confident is upto the level required. Or thereabouts. To be honest I’m with you on those.I think a left winger that is very much like sorba and can be rotated with Koroma.Ideally another right winger as if sorba gets injured who plays there,but I think we could manage that should we get the other signings. In an ideal world a centre half, although like you say we are about up to standard,that said one who’s more comfortable playing out and who has a bit of pace wouldn’t go amiss.Nowhere near something we need though,would just be a luxury at this stage. |
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Post by willo on Nov 21, 2023 1:44:55 GMT 1
We need two new CMs, two new wingers, a right back and a striker for me. So at least 6 new players in. Centre back is the only position I’m confident is upto the level required. Or thereabouts. To be honest I’m with you on those.I think a left winger that is very much like sorba and can be rotated with Koroma.Ideally another right winger as if sorba gets injured who plays there,but I think we could manage that should we get the other signings. In an ideal world a centre half, although like you say we are about up to standard,that said one who’s more comfortable playing out and who has a bit of pace wouldn’t go amiss.Nowhere near something we need though,would just be a luxury at this stage. So half a team essentially. It’s a travesty it’s coming down to us once again having to do some serious business in the notoriously difficult January window to ensure our Championship survival because we sat on our hands in the summer. And I don’t buy all the excuses of our inactivity back then. |
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Post by rubicon on Nov 21, 2023 7:14:28 GMT 1
My expectations are that I'll waken up the next day simply to read that, we tried to get so and so over the line, but it all fell apart at the last minute. Probably because the guys agent demanded 2s 6d more than Town were willing to pay. That's about it really....Oh apart from we got Jordan back at least, who'll not score another goal all season due to the fact he's left up top on his own, and no other Town player will cross the half way line.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 8:34:26 GMT 1
League 2 is arguably the strongest that it has been since our promotion year which saw a strong hull side and a mansfield team full of players that went on to play in the championship.
Wrexham, Stockport, Mansfield and Nott County all have sizeable budgets and don't necessarily need to sell even if we decided to dip into the lge 2 market.
Stockport - Louis Barry (on loan from villa) is a class above lge 2 level
Notts county - Macauly Langstaff - Scored 50+ goals in 18 months, I don't think we could afford him
Wrexham - Mullin - Scored 50 goals in 18 months; I don't think we could afford him
Mansfield - Have a number of players that seems capable at a higher level, Oats, Keiler Dunn, brunt
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I look at some of our 11 and certainly the bench -
REG
Hudlin
Austerfield
Edwards
Harrat
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These players would not get in the starting 11 of the top 3/4 teams in League 2. Any back up option we have to our 11 wouldn't start in a top league 2 side. I doubt Kasumu would be a regular for the aforementioned sides.
We've seen already that League 1 players with quality like Scott Twine will sell for the 5m range. Why would a top end League 1 player come to a side destined for League 1 or a year on year relegation fight?
Each year we have had success in recent times, we have had multiple successful EPL loans.
Why have we not got any EPL loans this season?
There's a direct correlation with the above and success, look at Burnley and Sheff utd last season - full of EPL loans.
There was zero attempt to improve the squad this summer, it was again a summer of decreasing the budget when everyone else strengthen.
Plymouth spending 1m+ twice
Rotherham pushing the boat out too
Stoke played us recently and brought dwight gale and the 30m villa striker off the bench!
Cov reinvested 20m on players
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Not a single person at town is asking for 5m to be spent, as I've said previously we would've all taken 16th under warnock and spent nothing.
Now we're stuck with a manager that has no track record of success other than a very fortunate playoff victory in a weak league 1 and a big budget; and seemingly no willingness to get loans or improve the starting 11.
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We are now stuck in a position where do they back a manager that a large portion of the fans want out? If they're going to stick with him, they have to back him in Jan as the squad is grossly lacking quality and depth.
We need an instant injection of quality to the first team, strikers specifically - which won't come cheap.
I like the strategy of buying from the lower leagues but now is not the time - we have made this mess and need proven quality.
There must be countless Cameron Archer type players willing to come to the championship on loan from the 20 EPL clubs.
We need more than youth too, solid, proven championship players. Again, won't come cheap but thats the state we're in after Nagel etc decided to gamble on Moore.
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Post by dezzly on Nov 21, 2023 10:07:40 GMT 1
To be honest I’m with you on those.I think a left winger that is very much like sorba and can be rotated with Koroma.Ideally another right winger as if sorba gets injured who plays there,but I think we could manage that should we get the other signings. In an ideal world a centre half, although like you say we are about up to standard,that said one who’s more comfortable playing out and who has a bit of pace wouldn’t go amiss.Nowhere near something we need though,would just be a luxury at this stage. So half a team essentially. It’s a travesty it’s coming down to us once again having to do some serious business in the notoriously difficult January window to ensure our Championship survival because we sat on our hands in the summer. And I don’t buy all the excuses of our inactivity back then. Let’s face it we’ve needed half a team for a while.certainly going forward,creatively.We weren’t even that creative under Carlos,just effective. I think I’m been greedy there tbh,but I would say we need a right back(preferably with pace)we need a midfielder who can control a game and pass the ball,and we need a striker. The other stuff is what we need on top going forward. |
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Post by runner76 on Nov 21, 2023 10:11:16 GMT 1
So half a team essentially. It’s a travesty it’s coming down to us once again having to do some serious business in the notoriously difficult January window to ensure our Championship survival because we sat on our hands in the summer. And I don’t buy all the excuses of our inactivity back then. Let’s face it we’ve needed half a team for a while.certainly going forward,creatively.We weren’t even that creative under Carlos,just effective. I think I’m been greedy there tbh,but I would say we need a right back(preferably with pace)we need a midfielder who can control a game and pass the ball,and we need a striker. The other stuff is what we need on top going forward. Think we need those three roles as full time new players on the books, but also add one or two PL loans in the mix as well, midfield / winger / striker etc….with players back from injury, those additions would be enough to keep this squad up……IF managed correctly….. |
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Post by dezzly on Nov 21, 2023 10:47:52 GMT 1
Let’s face it we’ve needed half a team for a while.certainly going forward,creatively.We weren’t even that creative under Carlos,just effective. I think I’m been greedy there tbh,but I would say we need a right back(preferably with pace)we need a midfielder who can control a game and pass the ball,and we need a striker. The other stuff is what we need on top going forward. Think we need those three roles as full time new players on the books, but also add one or two PL loans in the mix as well, midfield / winger / striker etc….with players back from injury, those additions would be enough to keep this squad up……IF managed correctly….. YeH would agree with that.Would potentially look at a loan for right back if the quality was right.Turton coming back provides a decent safety blanket.But Yeh the rest could be topped up with loans.I do think we might struggle on the striker front though to get someone with the needed quality permanently.It’s either someone who isn’t playing at a low end prem club or not playing at a better champ club,or someone who’s performing well lower down who’s at the right age to step up and improve.All those options I reckon would be expensive so that’s why I think be tough. |
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Post by Big Ern on Nov 21, 2023 11:26:48 GMT 1
Think we need those three roles as full time new players on the books, but also add one or two PL loans in the mix as well, midfield / winger / striker etc….with players back from injury, those additions would be enough to keep this squad up……IF managed correctly….. YeH would agree with that.Would potentially look at a loan for right back if the quality was right.Turton coming back provides a decent safety blanket.But Yeh the rest could be topped up with loans.I do think we might struggle on the striker front though to get someone with the needed quality permanently.It’s either someone who isn’t playing at a low end prem club or not playing at a better champ club,or someone who’s performing well lower down who’s at the right age to step up and improve.All those options I reckon would be expensive so that’s why I think be tough. Nobody actually knows how much money we have to spend though which is why January will be interesting. I wouldn't be against a raft of quality loans if it means we have a more significant warchest in the summer. Whomever we sign though absolutely have to improve the starting 11. |
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Post by Ladaphosen on Nov 21, 2023 12:16:07 GMT 1
YeH would agree with that.Would potentially look at a loan for right back if the quality was right.Turton coming back provides a decent safety blanket.But Yeh the rest could be topped up with loans.I do think we might struggle on the striker front though to get someone with the needed quality permanently.It’s either someone who isn’t playing at a low end prem club or not playing at a better champ club,or someone who’s performing well lower down who’s at the right age to step up and improve.All those options I reckon would be expensive so that’s why I think be tough. Nobody actually knows how much money we have to spend though which is why January will be interesting. I wouldn't be against a raft of quality loans if it means we have a more significant warchest in the summer. Whomever we sign though absolutely have to improve the starting 11. Yeah, for me this January is really about understanding more about the ownership and their ambition. We all know the winter window is the hardest to operate in but the decisions they have made and the poor summer have backed them into a corner and if we end the window without significant, quality additions then any excuses just wont wash. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 21, 2023 12:48:00 GMT 1
It will be very interesting to see how our transfers hold up against other teams in and around the relegation zone!
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