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Post by Ladaphosen on Nov 14, 2023 13:54:31 GMT 1
Thought I would look at some of the Championships leading attack talent who were bought for under £2m in recent season (Fees which should be within our budget). We often get told that we cant compete with the big boys of the division, but this list proves just how much value there is out there and insane resale value once those big boys come knocking. Frustratingly town have been linked with a few names on this list, if only there was some willingness to take a risk...
Szmodics - £1.9m (Town Linked)
Zian Flemming - £1.7m (Town Linked)
Gyokeres - £1.0m (Sold for £17m)
Piroe - £1.0m (Sold for 12m)
Morris - £1.7m (Town Linked)
Of course these things are easier said than done and for every success there will be 5 failures, but we have to be willing to take more risks and show some imagination in the transfer market. It isn't like we haven't done it before either 16/17 was probably the best window in our history but for whatever reason we have never returned to that model.
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Post by Drew Peacock on Nov 14, 2023 14:12:26 GMT 1
Unfortunately competing on the those transfer fees is probably not the issue, it's most likely competing on the wages those players will have been offered elsewhere, which we are absolutely miles off with.
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Post by royrace on Nov 14, 2023 14:39:40 GMT 1
I think Edwards recently said that they aren't planning on using player trading as a tool to generate revenue which seems bat shit crazy to me and goes against every blueprint for success we have seen in this division.
I fear they have this naive idea that they can just create quality players in the academy rather than buying them to play, develop and sell on for a profit as we recently did with Karlan Grant.
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Post by runner76 on Nov 14, 2023 14:40:19 GMT 1
We had decent DoF back then so we will just need to see how good the current one is come Jan.
Honestly, frustrating as it is, until that window closes the jury is still out on Nagle, Moore, Edwards and Cartwright!!
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Post by Ladaphosen on Nov 15, 2023 10:23:01 GMT 1
I think Edwards recently said that they aren't planning on using player trading as a tool to generate revenue which seems bat shit crazy to me and goes against every blueprint for success we have seen in this division. I fear they have this naive idea that they can just create quality players in the academy rather than buying them to play, develop and sell on for a profit as we recently did with Karlan Grant. Absolutely deluded if they think we can consistently produce players from the academy anywhere near the level required! |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Nov 15, 2023 10:53:23 GMT 1
Adebayo
Morris
Flemming
Willock
All heavily linked, all cost between £800k-£1.7m, all now worth atleased 3 times their initial transfer fees. We lost out to QPR, Luton and Millwall, hardly top end championship clubs. If we couldn't compete with these after earning around £300m in premier league money then you know the club was badly managed.
Is Nagle willing to put some money in to compete with bang average championship clubs for these types of players? I really hope so because if things stay like this and playing league 1 Russian roulette every season, we'll end up dropping sooner or later.
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Post by Ladaphosen on Nov 15, 2023 12:32:29 GMT 1
Adebayo Morris Flemming Willock All heavily linked, all cost between £800k-£1.7m, all now worth atleased 3 times their initial transfer fees. We lost out to QPR, Luton and Millwall, hardly top end championship clubs. If we couldn't compete with these after earning around £300m in premier league money then you know the club was badly managed. Is Nagle willing to put some money in to compete with bang average championship clubs for these types of players? I really hope so because if things stay like this and playing league 1 Russian roulette every season, we'll end up dropping sooner or later. Exactly. There is so much value to be had in that price range. Annoyingly we have a pretty decent track record of buying players in that range but for some reason seem reticent to commit to it more regularly or reinvest when we sell players on. We should be signing 3/4 players of the Rudoni profile every summer and looking to flip them for a profit and use that money to repeat. Worries me that the noises from the owners seems to be placing heavy emphasis on producing our talent and raising money from improving the match day experience. |
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Post by Colin the Caterpillar on Nov 15, 2023 12:39:45 GMT 1
We literally did do this in the summer, but it’s forgotten because Wiles hasn’t (yet?) pulled up any trees. No guarantees and all that.
I read the comment from Edwards as hopefully meaning that signings will primarily be made to benefit the team rather than based on their prospective future transfer fee. I think most of us would be happy with that.
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Post by Ladaphosen on Nov 15, 2023 12:49:22 GMT 1
We literally did do this in the summer, but it’s forgotten because Wiles hasn’t (yet?) pulled up any trees. No guarantees and all that. I read the comment from Edwards as hopefully meaning that signings will primarily be made to benefit the team rather than based on their prospective future transfer fee. I think most of us would be happy with that. Yeah fine, I like the profile of the Wiles signing but we simply did not do enough in the summer. The point of my post was really to highlight how Town are losing out in the long run because of their approach. |
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Post by Colin the Caterpillar on Nov 15, 2023 13:16:46 GMT 1
We literally did do this in the summer, but it’s forgotten because Wiles hasn’t (yet?) pulled up any trees. No guarantees and all that. I read the comment from Edwards as hopefully meaning that signings will primarily be made to benefit the team rather than based on their prospective future transfer fee. I think most of us would be happy with that. Yeah fine, I like the profile of the Wiles signing but we simply did not do enough in the summer. The point of my post was really to highlight how Town are losing out in the long run because of their approach. I think we’re agreeing really, Town haven’t done enough of this over the last few years (for a number of understandable but disappointing financial reasons) but my point was that maybe Wiles is an indication that we might now be starting to - accepting your point that because of the lack of this type of signing we probably need to be doing 2-3 of these per window, not one. I always thought that more of the PL money should have been spent on this type of signing. In the end we only got Grant; if we’d had 3 or 4 more then our last few seasons might have panned out quite differently…. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 15, 2023 18:05:37 GMT 1
We had decent DoF back then so we will just need to see how good the current one is come Jan. Honestly, frustrating as it is, until that window closes the jury is still out on Nagle, Moore, Edwards and Cartwright!! We have seen what they were like in the summer so why will January be any better? |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 15, 2023 18:13:15 GMT 1
We literally did do this in the summer, but it’s forgotten because Wiles hasn’t (yet?) pulled up any trees. No guarantees and all that. I read the comment from Edwards as hopefully meaning that signings will primarily be made to benefit the team rather than based on their prospective future transfer fee. I think most of us would be happy with that. Wiles is/was recovering from an injury, like most of our young signings in recent years he needs time to develop in a team lacking quality players. Our young players would have come on a lot quicker if there were more quality players around them. It is a pity that we keep selling any as soon as we can. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Nov 15, 2023 18:16:41 GMT 1
We literally did do this in the summer, but it’s forgotten because Wiles hasn’t (yet?) pulled up any trees. No guarantees and all that. I read the comment from Edwards as hopefully meaning that signings will primarily be made to benefit the team rather than based on their prospective future transfer fee. I think most of us would be happy with that. Looks to me that we've signed a croc who hasn't got over his injury from last season. His match sharpness can't be an issue at this stage, surely? He's played nearly 1200 minutes of football this season. |
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Post by runner76 on Nov 16, 2023 10:24:36 GMT 1
We had decent DoF back then so we will just need to see how good the current one is come Jan. Honestly, frustrating as it is, until that window closes the jury is still out on Nagle, Moore, Edwards and Cartwright!! We have seen what they were like in the summer so why will January be any better? Barely had feet under the table in Summer so I wouldn’t think it’s fair to judge them based on that timescale |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 17, 2023 20:41:08 GMT 1
We have seen what they were like in the summer so why will January be any better? Barely had feet under the table in Summer so I wouldn’t think it’s fair to judge them based on that timescale So you think comming to a club that just avoided relegation it is normal to get rid of well over 20 players and bring in a backup keeper, an old, slow, overweight full back and player that wants to play on his own and someone recovering from an injury. Add to that they send out one of our two strikers on loan and give a new contract to our only injury prone striker is not enough evidence to judge them? Christ on a bike what do they have to do to be seen as failing at their job? If the January window goes the same way we won't have enough players to put out a team and we will have no strikers left at all! |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 18, 2023 13:21:35 GMT 1
Barely had feet under the table in Summer so I wouldn’t think it’s fair to judge them based on that timescale So you think comming to a club that just avoided relegation it is normal to get rid of well over 20 players and bring in a backup keeper, an old, slow, overweight full back and player that wants to play on his own and someone recovering from an injury. Add to that they send out one of our two strikers on loan and give a new contract to our only injury prone striker is not enough evidence to judge them? Christ on a bike what do they have to do to be seen as failing at their job? If the January window goes the same way we won't have enough players to put out a team and we will have no strikers left at all! Yes. Any so called football “ expert “ would have been able to decide on the squad’s shortcomings in a very short space of time. They are so glaringly obvious. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 18, 2023 13:40:01 GMT 1
So you think comming to a club that just avoided relegation it is normal to get rid of well over 20 players and bring in a backup keeper, an old, slow, overweight full back and player that wants to play on his own and someone recovering from an injury. Add to that they send out one of our two strikers on loan and give a new contract to our only injury prone striker is not enough evidence to judge them? Christ on a bike what do they have to do to be seen as failing at their job? If the January window goes the same way we won't have enough players to put out a team and we will have no strikers left at all! Yes. Any so called football “ expert “ would have been able to decide on the squad’s shortcomings in a very short space of time. They are so glaringly obvious. They have been obvious for years. Just shows us that we have been building tearing down the club for years to get to this sorry state. |
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