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Post by alfredsterrier on Nov 19, 2023 0:26:44 GMT 1
Apparently we have to feel sorry for Everton and hope they stay up according to the likes of Sherwood and Mills as they are a big club. Guess it just shows how much pundits really care about most sides . There was some chump on Talksport today, an Everton fan, who was claiming that the authorities love to kick Everton when they're down. I was trying to think of a time when this had actually happened and the only thing I could think of was that they were banned from Europe at the height of their powers in the mid 80s. But that was, at least, partially self inflicted as every English club was bang at it, in terms of hooliganism. More recently, they actually benefitted from corruption when Hans Segers threw a couple in the net and saved them from relegation in 1994. Amazing how deluded these clubs are. Apparently we are supposed to feel sorry for Everton as they admitted what they had done wrong and cooperated with the enquiry. The fact that they actually cheated seems to pass them by. Nothing will happen to City or Chelsea though.
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Post by softboy on Nov 19, 2023 18:01:27 GMT 1
Of course City and Chelsea won’t get a points deduction, they are big clubs. Unlike Everton who are one of the smaller clubs scratching around to escape relegation!
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Post by brighousebandbred on Nov 20, 2023 17:38:26 GMT 1
I have always liked Everton as a club. I just cannot wait to see what sanctions are imposed on Man City. Nothing will ever happen to Man City or Chelsea. Easy to deduct off smaller clubs. Don’t think the term SMALLER is correct , personally feel Everton could easily have a larger fan base than MC and Chelsea , I think the term POORER is more apt now because the only thing that really matters now is money and how fucked up is that .
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Post by sabailand on Nov 20, 2023 23:33:11 GMT 1
Nothing will ever happen to Man City or Chelsea. Easy to deduct off smaller clubs. Don’t think the term SMALLER is correct , personally feel Everton could easily have a larger fan base than MC and Chelsea , I think the term POORER is more apt now because the only thing that really matters now is money and how fucked up is that . Yes although its fair to say both Man city and Chelsea have always been big(ish) clubs its only after the massive influx of money they've recieved in recent years that elevates them to Big clubs today, back in the 80's Everton were one of the best sides in the country and were one of the so called 'big six' and although them days are long gone they're still a big club, they get good support which could get bigger when they're new grounds finished which will be one of the best in the country.
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Nov 20, 2023 23:44:48 GMT 1
City are doomed.
No way will they get away with 115 breaches. They'll be relegated.
Roman seemed to hide it better
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Post by huddshroom on Nov 21, 2023 9:44:28 GMT 1
City are doomed. No way will they get away with 115 breaches. They'll be relegated. Roman seemed to hide it better PL can evict them, EFL doesn't have to accept them, and if they do they don't have to put them in the Championship. If they went to L2 there's no way they could spend money as they'd breach FFP so might be best waiting their PL ban out. If they're in the champ they could as it would be a straight promotion back to PL (as long as the ban is only 1 season). I'm hoping trophies get taken away too so they don't win 4 in a row and beat our record
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Post by goodbet on Nov 21, 2023 12:01:20 GMT 1
City are doomed. No way will they get away with 115 breaches. They'll be relegated. Roman seemed to hide it better PL can evict them, EFL doesn't have to accept them, and if they do they don't have to put them in the Championship. If they went to L2 there's no way they could spend money as they'd breach FFP so might be best waiting their PL ban out. If they're in the champ they could as it would be a straight promotion back to PL (as long as the ban is only 1 season). I'm hoping trophies get taken away too so they don't win 4 in a row and beat our record The Premier League would never do a Rangers on them and send them to League 2.
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Post by Ibiza Town on Nov 21, 2023 12:06:09 GMT 1
PL can evict them, EFL doesn't have to accept them, and if they do they don't have to put them in the Championship. If they went to L2 there's no way they could spend money as they'd breach FFP so might be best waiting their PL ban out. If they're in the champ they could as it would be a straight promotion back to PL (as long as the ban is only 1 season). I'm hoping trophies get taken away too so they don't win 4 in a row and beat our record The Premier League would never do a Rangers on them and send them to League 2. A large fine and a meaningless points deduction is certain Losing City from the Prem would hurt their business model too much Its all so bent its ridiculous Im off to buy my World Cup tickets for Saudia Arabia,
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Post by runner76 on Nov 21, 2023 12:52:14 GMT 1
If institutions like Woolworths, Debenhams and Wilkos can disappear, so can City
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Post by goodbet on Nov 21, 2023 13:07:59 GMT 1
If institutions like Woolworths, Debenhams and Wilkos can disappear, so can City They didn't operate in the Disney World land that is the Premier League!
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Nov 21, 2023 13:12:47 GMT 1
City are doomed. No way will they get away with 115 breaches. They'll be relegated. Roman seemed to hide it better If only.
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 21, 2023 13:39:08 GMT 1
Nothing will ever happen to Man City or Chelsea. Easy to deduct off smaller clubs. Don’t think the term SMALLER is correct , personally feel Everton could easily have a larger fan base than MC and Chelsea , I think the term POORER is more apt now because the only thing that really matters now is money and how fucked up is that . Everton were always the 4th biggest club when I was growing up, arguably 3rd cos Utd weren't anything to write home about then.
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Post by incognito on Nov 21, 2023 13:40:00 GMT 1
Realistically there will always be a limit to any sanctions a governing body can impose if the transgressing club has access to near limitless legal resource. I suspect the Premier League would fancy this even less than UEFA did: "The infamous threat in one of the leaked emails that formed the centre of the City case felt prophetic. The club’s Abu Dhabi owners would, it was alleged, unleash 50 lawyers for 10 years at the cost of €30 million, rather than bow to Uefa’s rules." The truth about Manchester City’s legal battles over FFP? Uefa blew it
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 21, 2023 13:41:02 GMT 1
PL can evict them, EFL doesn't have to accept them, and if they do they don't have to put them in the Championship. If they went to L2 there's no way they could spend money as they'd breach FFP so might be best waiting their PL ban out. If they're in the champ they could as it would be a straight promotion back to PL (as long as the ban is only 1 season). I'm hoping trophies get taken away too so they don't win 4 in a row and beat our record The Premier League would never do a Rangers on them and send them to League 2. Depends if City pay their taxes, while fiddling in other ways
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Post by brighousebandbred on Nov 21, 2023 13:41:54 GMT 1
Don’t think the term SMALLER is correct , personally feel Everton could easily have a larger fan base than MC and Chelsea , I think the term POORER is more apt now because the only thing that really matters now is money and how fucked up is that . Yes although its fair to say both Man city and Chelsea have always been big(ish) clubs its only after the massive influx of money they've recieved in recent years that elevates them to Big clubs today, back in the 80's Everton were one of the best sides in the country and were one of the so called 'big six' and although them days are long gone they're still a big club, they get good support which could get bigger when they're new grounds finished which will be one of the best in the country. People say Everton were hard done too with the 10 point deduction , personally I’m hoping this is the start of huge changes to how punishment is dished out because the insanity of money spent on football by clubs run by countries or tax evading play things for ridiculously rich people is and has created an unfair top heavy uncompetitive footballing landscape. It’s plastic and boring. Everton tried to spend their way into the landscape of the big clubs but did it terribly , no sympathy but you can see why they were willing to try , because the whole thing is literally a toy for people with money coming out of their ears. What magnifies the stupidity of it all is the vast majority of footballing fans in this country are struggling to make ends meet. Throw the fucking book at them all. Relegation / bans on player recruitment etc . Even if they bounce back , make it a long hard path and keep the punishments up if they re commit
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Post by goodbet on Nov 21, 2023 15:42:41 GMT 1
Yes although its fair to say both Man city and Chelsea have always been big(ish) clubs its only after the massive influx of money they've recieved in recent years that elevates them to Big clubs today, back in the 80's Everton were one of the best sides in the country and were one of the so called 'big six' and although them days are long gone they're still a big club, they get good support which could get bigger when they're new grounds finished which will be one of the best in the country. People say Everton were hard done too with the 10 point deduction , personally I’m hoping this is the start of huge changes to how punishment is dished out because the insanity of money spent on football by clubs run by countries or tax evading play things for ridiculously rich people is and has created an unfair top heavy uncompetitive footballing landscape. It’s plastic and boring. Everton tried to spend their way into the landscape of the big clubs but did it terribly , no sympathy but you can see why they were willing to try , because the whole thing is literally a toy for people with money coming out of their ears. What magnifies the stupidity of it all is the vast majority of footballing fans in this country are struggling to make ends meet. Throw the fucking book at them all. Relegation / bans on player recruitment etc . Even if they bounce back , make it a long hard path and keep the punishments up if they re commit I share your hope in that this is the start of huge changes, but I think that it would be like Turkeys voting for Christmas. They are all a bunch of self important big boys who believe that they are the cream of the crop and they will only change when they jump ship and make the leap to some European league. This League will probably come under the protection of Switzerland & FIFA so that there will be no chance of any investigation or inspection of what they do.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Nov 21, 2023 18:09:15 GMT 1
Realistically there will always be a limit to any sanctions a governing body can impose if the transgressing club has access to near limitless legal resource. I suspect the Premier League would fancy this even less than UEFA did: "The infamous threat in one of the leaked emails that formed the centre of the City case felt prophetic. The club’s Abu Dhabi owners would, it was alleged, unleash 50 lawyers for 10 years at the cost of €30 million, rather than bow to Uefa’s rules." The truth about Manchester City’s legal battles over FFP? Uefa blew itYes I’m reading your post and unfortunately agreeing the game is lost to these soulless people who run roughshod over all fair values in life generally just to prove they are the best and most powerful people . It’s all pretty pointless it’s like Frankel running against the local Shetland pony, big fucking whoopy do’s You WON and you WON again and again , never questioning why you won and if you’ve really achieved anything that really counts as a proper achievement. And to prove you haven’t been cheating you pay people off or threaten the establishments with lawyers. Seriously how fucked is our sport.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Nov 21, 2023 18:11:23 GMT 1
People say Everton were hard done too with the 10 point deduction , personally I’m hoping this is the start of huge changes to how punishment is dished out because the insanity of money spent on football by clubs run by countries or tax evading play things for ridiculously rich people is and has created an unfair top heavy uncompetitive footballing landscape. It’s plastic and boring. Everton tried to spend their way into the landscape of the big clubs but did it terribly , no sympathy but you can see why they were willing to try , because the whole thing is literally a toy for people with money coming out of their ears. What magnifies the stupidity of it all is the vast majority of footballing fans in this country are struggling to make ends meet. Throw the fucking book at them all. Relegation / bans on player recruitment etc . Even if they bounce back , make it a long hard path and keep the punishments up if they re commit I share your hope in that this is the start of huge changes, but I think that it would be like Turkeys voting for Christmas. They are all a bunch of self important big boys who believe that they are the cream of the crop and they will only change when they jump ship and make the leap to some European league. This League will probably come under the protection of Switzerland & FIFA so that there will be no chance of any investigation or inspection of what they do. Spot on so sadly . Just bully boys with money to cheat and sue if anyone questions their cheating. Winning by cheating the laws isn’t winning , the game has never been so more plastic than it is now.
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Post by duncfost01 on Nov 21, 2023 20:22:45 GMT 1
If they cheated 115 times they should be dumped into league 2. Chelsea as they have admitted probably the championship.
However, city’s lawyers will “tie” this up in red tape for years.
Rumour has it the EFL are concerned that we havent spent any money for five years ……it’s confusing surely all clubs have to invest in their team…….
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Post by mosher on Nov 22, 2023 9:43:10 GMT 1
Yes although its fair to say both Man city and Chelsea have always been big(ish) clubs its only after the massive influx of money they've recieved in recent years that elevates them to Big clubs today, back in the 80's Everton were one of the best sides in the country and were one of the so called 'big six' and although them days are long gone they're still a big club, they get good support which could get bigger when they're new grounds finished which will be one of the best in the country. People say Everton were hard done too with the 10 point deduction , personally I’m hoping this is the start of huge changes to how punishment is dished out because the insanity of money spent on football by clubs run by countries or tax evading play things for ridiculously rich people is and has created an unfair top heavy uncompetitive footballing landscape. It’s plastic and boring. Everton tried to spend their way into the landscape of the big clubs but did it terribly , no sympathy but you can see why they were willing to try , because the whole thing is literally a toy for people with money coming out of their ears. What magnifies the stupidity of it all is the vast majority of footballing fans in this country are struggling to make ends meet. Throw the fucking book at them all. Relegation / bans on player recruitment etc . Even if they bounce back , make it a long hard path and keep the punishments up if they re commit Whilst I don't agree with FFP in the first place, while it exists I 100% agree, throw the book.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Feb 26, 2024 15:55:10 GMT 1
Reduced to 6 points
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 26, 2024 15:58:53 GMT 1
And my post announcing this - albeit creating a new thread - was deleted rather than merged? Hmmm... Anyway - on the plus side, it pushes 🌳 one place closer to the drop zone. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Feb 26, 2024 16:00:51 GMT 1
Good, but probably just the tip of the iceberg. Everton has already admitted guilt so there has to be a punishment but you can guarantee the appeal will result in the deduction being halved. Almost correct!
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Post by aksaiblue on Feb 26, 2024 16:23:09 GMT 1
And my post announcing this - albeit creating a new thread - was deleted rather than merged? Hmmm... Anyway - on the plus side, it pushes 🌳 one place closer to the drop zone. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Exactly - I hope Luton push them into the bottom three
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Post by nicovaesen on Feb 26, 2024 16:40:59 GMT 1
So on the assumption that the twigs were “sorry” does that mean there’s will be suspended?
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 26, 2024 16:46:07 GMT 1
The mitigating circumstances were that theyre from Liverpool so actually they were the victims. Surprised they didnt return the 10 points and give them a few more to make up for the upset its all caused!
If it helps send the Florists down then it's ok with me.
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Post by sabailand on Feb 26, 2024 18:37:41 GMT 1
And my post announcing this - albeit creating a new thread - was deleted rather than merged? Hmmm... Anyway - on the plus side, it pushes 🌳 one place closer to the drop zone. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Exactly - I hope Luton push them into the bottom three Hope so too, but do Luton have it in them to garner more points than the Florists, hopefully they too will have points deducted.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 26, 2024 19:07:13 GMT 1
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 26, 2024 19:48:51 GMT 1
The mitigating circumstances were that theyre from Liverpool so actually they were the victims. Surprised they didnt return the 10 points and give them a few more to make up for the upset its all caused! If it helps send the Florists down then it's ok with me. Agreed, they had to spend the money because they thought it was from the govt and if you dont spend it on shite and overpay hugely for that shite, before every April you lose it🤪 Anyway big boys threatened them and they had to do it. It was somebody elses fault, probably years ago and has something to do with the govt and the Royal Family. We cant grass up who spent it, its our code...🙄
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 26, 2024 20:47:40 GMT 1
10 points is excessive and vindictive but 6 is fair, why? Someone explain please. Were Readings 16 points worth of deductions for exceeding financial limits by a lower amount than Everton vindictive and unfair?
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