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Post by Porrohman on Feb 13, 2024 19:55:26 GMT 1
The away supporters should get the shittest part of the ground. Not the best! Agree but they don't get the best now. The view in the South Stand is bloody awful. I've hated it every time I've gone in. Granted that's only been a couple of early round League Cup ties and the England U21's but it's horrible.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Feb 13, 2024 20:07:13 GMT 1
23 home games = 69 points on offer. Sell season tickets like a spread bet: £345 upfront with a tipping point of 34.5 points (1.5 pts a game over the season). If, in May, we have under 34.5 pts each ST holder gets £10 per point back. If it’s over, they pay £10 per point more. Great fun. This is an absolutely ridiculous idea and a fantastic idea at the same time! Can you imagine the scenes when Town fans have been crying out for a goal scorer for years suddenly find Kyle Hudlin turns into a prime Harry Kane. 20 goals a season and the fans hate every goal as it costs us £30 per win over the target. Mind you in typical town fashion, he wouldnt score his first goal until we hit the 35 point target! Then booom every fan ends up selling their blood to fund their season ticket price It would be great. Imagine scoring a last minute screamer to clinch a meaningless, end of season game…to a chorus of boos from the home fans because you’ve just cost every one of them £20.
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Post by boooothy on Feb 13, 2024 20:07:38 GMT 1
And what can Mr Carmichael do about this? He is in now way shape or form anything to do with the club. He is KNs friend. Maybe email the club. I cam see it being really frustrating, but you're in the wrong place for your concerns. Send Nagle an email, he will email back. Actually, and I appreciate the sentiment, I CAN and will pass this along. This is important and if there’s a way to do it better we will find it What a great thing if you could win 2 fans back.
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Post by bluestripe on Feb 13, 2024 20:50:54 GMT 1
I'd put the adult season ticket price up to £360. However, I'd offer different instalment plans to cushion the blow of such an increase. Full payment, monthly for 9 months (£40 a month) or 3 separate instalments of £120. Currently the average adult season ticket price in the championship is £451 (I think). A 20% increase would bring it up to £541. If Town charge £360 we'd still be a third lower than the average price. Any Transatlantic marketing fellow reading this should be aware that it will be the fans at the keener end of the spectrum tend to post on here. There are a whole host of others who will be weighing up the current price vs other demands on their income and time. Given the lack of entertainment on the pitch this season, there have been a good number of games where I have only gone this season because I have a season ticket. And my journey to the turnstile is 25 minutes. I am seriously thinking about giving up my ticket as I have other things I like to do in the limited leisure time I have available. A significant increase in cost will make the decision a whole lot easier, and I will just pick and choose the games I want to come to. The only way I would buy a significantly more expensive season ticket next season, would be if there was some sort of claw back if we (say) didn't make the Top N in the league come the end of the season.
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Post by rab030 on Feb 13, 2024 21:10:56 GMT 1
And very unpopular but i’d give the south stand back to away fans. We turn down thousands of away fans. You’d have to have a massive season ticket swap system or something to get the cowshed relocated at the end of one on main stands. You’re right, it would be very unpopular. I’d never ever step foot inside that stadium again if that was to happen. So restrict the away fan numbers and don’t fill the rest of the ground and keep ST ticket prices the lowest in the division (I’m guessing that bit) Think we’ve found our new commercial director 🤦♂️
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Feb 13, 2024 21:21:45 GMT 1
Here's a suggestion, Mr Carmichael. Maybe disabled season ticket holder supporters with lifelong conditions (unless there's been some incredible advances in science) shouldn't be harassed every 4/5 months to prove their disability without being threatened that their season ticket will be suspended. I have friends at both Preston and Bradford with the same condition as myself (lifelong) and haven't been asked to provide proof that they still have the condition, only once when they both bought their respective season tickets, both 4 and 8 seasons ago respectively. Because the club recognises that they are life-long conditions... And if the ticket office/supporter services/DLO ARE going to insist on doing so, maybe don't start the email saying ''please can you prove you are still disabled''. I follow and use town as a form of escapism (yes, I know) from my troubles and do not appreciate being hounded and reminded of my disability. Which again, I've had since I was 10 and will still have when I'm 90. Even the DLA doesn't require proof I'm still disabled, as they use their common sense and know it's life-long. I understand on the first instance, but maybe common sense should prevail and you can also save hours of labour with a few changes to internal practice. I did say this to I believe the DLO at the Club, who wasn't happy with the common sense approach and was insistent. After going back and forth I provided my proof (again) and then promptly in the same email told her to please cancel my season ticket. I haven't been since September, nor has my son as my companion and have no intention of returning. UTT from both a physical and now sadly, apathetic distance. This sounds shameful and the email appears cringing and totally insensitive. It just doesn't sound like HTAFC
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Post by nutjacker on Feb 13, 2024 21:31:05 GMT 1
I'd put the adult season ticket price up to £360. However, I'd offer different instalment plans to cushion the blow of such an increase. Full payment, monthly for 9 months (£40 a month) or 3 separate instalments of £120. Currently the average adult season ticket price in the championship is £451 (I think). A 20% increase would bring it up to £541. If Town charge £360 we'd still be a third lower than the average price. Any Transatlantic marketing fellow reading this should be aware that it will be the fans at the keener end of the spectrum tend to post on here. There are a whole host of others who will be weighing up the current price vs other demands on their income and time. Given the lack of entertainment on the pitch this season, there have been a good number of games where I have only gone this season because I have a season ticket. And my journey to the turnstile is 25 minutes. I am seriously thinking about giving up my ticket as I have other things I like to do in the limited leisure time I have available. A significant increase in cost will make the decision a whole lot easier, and I will just pick and choose the games I want to come to. The only way I would buy a significantly more expensive season ticket next season, would be if there was some sort of claw back if we (say) didn't make the Top N in the league come the end of the season. Good post Bluestripe. I’m guessing most who are posting that prices should rise to around the £400 mark can easily afford it. A large proportion of our fanbase can’t, especially with a few tickets to pay out for. Huddersfield is not a wealthy area, many have lost interest since we were relegated from the Premier League and didn’t reinvest, and a rise to more than £350 will put thousands more off, even if the squad and style of football is more appealing An increase of £50 to £299, or something like £350 with £50 back if we don’t make the top 6 (yes we can all dream 😄) makes sense imo
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Post by boooothy on Feb 13, 2024 21:46:34 GMT 1
You’re right, it would be very unpopular. I’d never ever step foot inside that stadium again if that was to happen. So restrict the away fan numbers and don’t fill the rest of the ground and keep ST ticket prices the lowest in the division (I’m guessing that bit) Think we’ve found our new commercial director 🤦♂️ I don’t know if all clubs are like Town but it blows my mind what most seem to EXPECT from the club. Cheap tickets. sit where they want, to be a top 30 club, a manager on a monster wage, best facilities and ticketing systems. All to be paid for by someone who had never heard of Huddersfield 2 years ago.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Feb 13, 2024 21:51:31 GMT 1
So restrict the away fan numbers and don’t fill the rest of the ground and keep ST ticket prices the lowest in the division (I’m guessing that bit) Think we’ve found our new commercial director 🤦♂️ I don’t know if all clubs are like Town but it blows my mind what most seem to EXPECT from the club. Cheap tickets. sit where they want, to be a top 30 club, a manager on a monster wage, best facilities and ticketing systems. All to be paid for by someone who had never heard of Huddersfield 2 years ago. and Bovril, and top pies, and decent ale
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Post by boooothy on Feb 13, 2024 21:55:13 GMT 1
I don’t know if all clubs are like Town but it blows my mind what most seem to EXPECT from the club. Cheap tickets. sit where they want, to be a top 30 club, a manager on a monster wage, best facilities and ticketing systems. All to be paid for by someone who had never heard of Huddersfield 2 years ago. and Bovril, and top pies, and decent ale Even i expect Bovril
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Post by King Curtis on Feb 13, 2024 22:06:02 GMT 1
Can we stop hammering this thread about ticket prices etc. please?
Just a guy is simply a friend of Kevin Nagle. He isn't going to reply to you about this.
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Post by dbterrier32 on Feb 13, 2024 23:51:31 GMT 1
Can we stop hammering this thread about ticket prices etc. please? Just a guy is simply a friend of Kevin Nagle. He isn't going to reply to you about this. But he did reply about the ticket price topic
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Post by htafcdreams on Feb 14, 2024 0:04:58 GMT 1
Think the season ticket prices need to be very slow moving. Ie £30 increase max per season. Just with affordability for the fans in terms of cost of living. To jump up prices by £100 after a poor season so far on the pitch would be reaching too far.
I’m not sure “pay more and we can be higher in league potentially” or “pay less and fight relegation” is something relative to season tickets. Look at Sheff Wed and Stoke.
Unfortunately I think it needs success on the pitch No 1 then the possibility of price rises.
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Post by steo1986 on Feb 14, 2024 0:23:59 GMT 1
Can we stop hammering this thread about ticket prices etc. please? Just a guy is simply a friend of Kevin Nagle. He isn't going to reply to you about this. He is here on the forum & his thread to observe, listen, read and reply to us fans, he's an advisor to Kevin and he will interact with fans and pass his thoughts on. what's the problem! He is the middle man so to speak and i like that he interacts and takes time out to read and respond on this forum.
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Post by Sio on Feb 14, 2024 4:24:35 GMT 1
Can we stop hammering this thread about ticket prices etc. please? Just a guy is simply a friend of Kevin Nagle. He isn't going to reply to you about this. He literally asked a question about it
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Feb 14, 2024 6:57:36 GMT 1
I think this should be taken with a pinch of salt. As I appreciate that 1). I live stateside and don't get over often to watch games. 2) Because, I'm ultimately not a paying supporter from a ticket stand point. 3). because of options 1 & 2. My opinion doesn't really matter. But, I would be willing to buy a ST or 2, and just donate them if need be for the season, at the request of if I do come over for games, I could go to the games in the ST I got.
HOWEVER, from a business and financial standpoint the club needs to increase the pricing point we've been well below average when it comes to ST prices over many years, and I think personally it affects us somewhat when it comes to financial sustainability and for us to truly mount a challenge when it comes to the investment we can do in the transfer market/wages etc.
We rely heavily on owner/chairman cash injection and thats not always viable, we genuinely should be looking at more than just tickets to develop better revenue (I think I recall we spoke about this on the forum and have discussed before, I forget which topic or thread is was on).
But I agree with a previous post about tiered prices/based on location. (It's something done at sports games in the US. it's done at concerts etc. Section 100s etc is usually pricier than 200s, 300s and usually more expensive when your front line and center vs corner locations.
Using the mantra that we see in Europe "Twenty is plenty" using that as a basic indicator. Apologies in advance for the $ sign, I use an American laptop and doesn't have our pound sign.
23 games x $20 = $460 (which would probably put us in the mid tier of pricing). Is that too pricey, probably. It's a good indicator though.
23 games x $17.50 (or so) = $400 (rounded down)
23 games x $15 = $345 (round it up to 350).
Lets hypothetically say we sold (I've factored in a less ST sales on higher margins and increased to lower):
9,000 STs at $460 = $4,414,000 gross revenue
10,000 ST at $400 = $4,000,000 gross revenue
12,000 ST at $350 = $4,200,000 gross revenue
It all equals to roughly the same, do we value the better atmosphere, or the revenue up front so to speak. Maybe we use those prices/and or other when it comes to tiered pricing. (as we would have to factor in, under ages, and seniors etc), but if pricing averaged $350 from top tier, to youth etc I think thats a decent marker for us.
I think a good indicator here would be identifying what is the average "spend" per game from supporters on food & beverage and misc at the ground. That could help give us a better idea of what's needed.
I do believe for us to be a better financially run club and for us to work away from this were a small club approach, we've got to give ourselves a bit more leverage when it comes to competing financially too.
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Post by robhtfc on Feb 14, 2024 7:35:30 GMT 1
Ticket prices should go back to different prices for different areas of the ground I think. Seems wild that you pay the same to sit in the middle of the riverside upper tier as you would for being in the bottom corner of the kilner for example. No need to overcomplicate it, maybe 3 different price bands. You could keep certain areas of the ground at £250-£270 and then slightly more for central areas etc... What would happen then to people who are then priced out of the Riverside Upper if they have to pay a higher price and then the only seats available are seats near the front of the Kilner, for example? Yes, some people prefer to sit near the front and so chose their seats there when the one price for any part of the ground system was brought in. Personally, I prefer to sit further back and so chose the Riverside Upper. To then be penalised further down the line and have to pay a higher price than others would be unfair in my opinion. If that was to happen then I may not bother renewing but we will have to see.
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Post by twyford on Feb 14, 2024 8:46:43 GMT 1
Kane only got two - if that's what you're referring to. Alternative view - why shouldn't an exceptional performance be recognised irrespective of the team he plays for? My tribal allegiance to Town meant I hoped he and the rest of the Spurs team had a shocker that day. That didn't happen but club loyalty means I should boo him off rather than acknowledge good football? Each to their own. I'm there to support my team not the opposition and I found clapping him off nauseating, bizarre and embarrassing and I was almost certain it wouldn't have happened at any other PL club. Singing three little birds whilst getting pumped also weird and defeatist! I didn't boo him off btw although he probably deserved that more than the standing ovation for being a niggly twat all game! I don't think his performance was that exceptional either! I can think of better ones from the opposition which I quietly acknowledged in my own head I didn't stop supporting Town. I think Yorkshire has the finest scenery in the country but I still appreciate views in the Lake District. 'The test of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed views in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function' F Scot Fitzgerald.
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Post by royrace on Feb 14, 2024 9:55:11 GMT 1
Each to their own. I'm there to support my team not the opposition and I found clapping him off nauseating, bizarre and embarrassing and I was almost certain it wouldn't have happened at any other PL club. Singing three little birds whilst getting pumped also weird and defeatist! I didn't boo him off btw although he probably deserved that more than the standing ovation for being a niggly twat all game! I don't think his performance was that exceptional either! I can think of better ones from the opposition which I quietly acknowledged in my own head I didn't stop supporting Town. I think Yorkshire has the finest scenery in the country but I still appreciate views in the Lake District. 'The test of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed views in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function' F Scot Fitzgerald. Fair enough. I'm very partisan when following town so it was totally alien to me. I also don't think the players would have appreciated their own fans hero-worshipping an opposing player during the match, no matter how good he was. On the subject of tickets I think it's clear they need to go up. Someone mentioned different prices for different areas which I think is a great idea and hopefully shouldn't prohibit anyone from attending. Also if the club could introduce an interest free installment option over 12 months that would hopefully ease the burden of the extra cost. Sensible ticket prices and a good product on the pitch should hopefully bring improvement in all areas. I would make the South stand one of the cheapest, designate it as a singing section for the cowshed loyal and get it full. Made a huge difference in the promotion season.
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 14, 2024 10:11:06 GMT 1
Not sure how it’s been done historically but i’d have a look at all the teams in the Championship and take the mean price, and then weight it up or down based on where we finished the previous season, you could then divide the pricing by area for expensive and more affordable seating, that’d be fair pricing.
There’s nothing particularly different about Town fans ability to pay than any other club. Ticket prices have been way too low at HTFC for too long and expectations and demands from fans seem to be rising season on season despite this.
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Post by dezzly on Feb 14, 2024 10:33:33 GMT 1
Not read any of the above.For me personally,and obviously everyone is different,it wouldn’t bother me too much if the prices went up. We’ve been very lucky that they have been kept so cheap for so long. £13 a game for the home games if you buy a season ticket is ridiculous value for the level we’re at.If you take into account that the last time I went to watch liversedge(who off memory are tier 8 or 9) it was £10 I think £16.50 a game equating to roughly £380 for a season ticket for an adult.Keep kids and oaps at cheap prices and keep the 18-21 bracket at a reduced price. I know there are arguements against but more revenue will benefit the club at the end of the day.Or should benefit the club. Even if it only worked out at an extra 1-1.5 million quid I guess that could go a long way. It’s only my opinion and what I personally would be happy with. I think on the other side of it though should the prices go up then so do expectations and I think that’s perfectly fair. Relegation battles should know longer be the norm I’m afraid,Even with what I’m terms of revenue is probably only classed as a modest increase. It’s a fine line because so many different factors,but if we do want to consistently be more competitive then realistically more money has to come into the club.Some will disagree but I just think it’s logical. Let’s face it our income is most likely on par with many league 1 clubs and probably less than some currently down there so logically and realistically can you expect to be watching championship football when financially you should be watching league 1. Anyway long story short I would mind in increase somewhere between 75-100 quid but that’s just me.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 14, 2024 10:46:13 GMT 1
I’d imagine (hope), that the early bird price is around £300. I think they’ll get decent take up at that sort of price, considering that when they announce this, our fate will still be unclear.
I know people are now conditioned to the sort of ball park price we’ve seen over the last few years, but a bigger price hike would see a few drop off, particularly those who are buying a few ST’s for their family.
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Post by detox on Feb 14, 2024 11:08:04 GMT 1
I’d imagine (hope), that the early bird price is around £300. I think they’ll get decent take up at that sort of price, considering that when they announce this, our fate will still be unclear. I know people are now conditioned to the sort of ball park price we’ve seen over the last few years, but a bigger price hike would see a few drop off, particularly those who are buying a few ST’s for their family. £299.99 ..?
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2024 12:12:26 GMT 1
Just seen this on a FB post
🇩🇪 Former Bayern Club President, Uli Hoeness on the clubs season ticket prices. 💶
🗣 “We could charge more than £104. Let's say we charged £300. We'd get £2m more in income, but what's £2m to us?”
🗣 “In a transfer discussion you argue about that sum for five minutes. But the difference between £104 and £300 is huge for the fan. We do not think the fans are like cows, who you milk.” 🍼
🗣 “Football has got to be for everybody. That's the biggest difference between us and England.” 🏴
Old but gold and Perfectly put! 👏🏻
BRITISH FOOTBALL CLUBS TAKE NOTE!!!! 🇬🇧
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 14, 2024 12:20:12 GMT 1
I also don't think the players would have appreciated their own fans hero-worshipping an opposing player during the match, no matter how good he was. Did you see Spencer fawning over Grealish in the FA Cup?! They're fans of good footballers too. No need to do any "designation" - it just becomes a rod for the quiet majority in other stands to have a pop at the singing section for not making a noise, just like it did as the club monikered "Singing Section" at the south end of the Kilner died over a number of years as the team dropped down the divisions. People go in the South Stand for all sorts of reasons, just as they go into other areas of the ground for lots of reasons. There's only one label we need, and we all share that...we're TOWN fans.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Feb 14, 2024 12:24:38 GMT 1
This is one area where FFP works against the fans. Clubs have to maximise income and owners can’t subsidise tickets without consequences to the playing budget.
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 14, 2024 12:27:07 GMT 1
Just seen this on a FB post 🇩🇪 Former Bayern Club President, Uli Hoeness on the clubs season ticket prices. 💶 🗣 “We could charge more than £104. Let's say we charged £300. We'd get £2m more in income, but what's £2m to us?” 🗣 “In a transfer discussion you argue about that sum for five minutes. But the difference between £104 and £300 is huge for the fan. We do not think the fans are like cows, who you milk.” 🍼 🗣 “Football has got to be for everybody. That's the biggest difference between us and England.” 🏴 Old but gold and Perfectly put! 👏🏻 BRITISH FOOTBALL CLUBS TAKE NOTE!!!! 🇬🇧 Take the point but it’s a bit different when you’re one of the biggest clubs in the world with an enormous fan base and lots of other more lucrative revenue streams. They’ll have single advertisers paying more than our gate receipts recoup.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Feb 14, 2024 12:27:13 GMT 1
And what can Mr Carmichael do about this? He is in now way shape or form anything to do with the club. He is KNs friend. Maybe email the club. I cam see it being really frustrating, but you're in the wrong place for your concerns. Send Nagle an email, he will email back. Actually, and I appreciate the sentiment, I CAN and will pass this along. This is important and if there’s a way to do it better we will find it Slight tangent, but a worthwhile one I think. I have a very good friend who has Hereditary spastic paraplegia. This is a degenerative and lifelong condition. IT WILL ONLY GET WORSE. I capitalise this as it is key to the point. He is in receipt of the highest level of financial support from the government available. Yet he still regularly has to go through the often degrading and embarrassing process of proving his condition hasn't gone away. It is like asking Lieutenant Dan to prove his legs haven't grown back. My point is, it should be easy to do but if businesses follow the lead of government it won't improve.
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Post by mosher on Feb 14, 2024 12:47:35 GMT 1
Just seen this on a FB post 🇩🇪 Former Bayern Club President, Uli Hoeness on the clubs season ticket prices. 💶 🗣 “We could charge more than £104. Let's say we charged £300. We'd get £2m more in income, but what's £2m to us?” 🗣 “In a transfer discussion you argue about that sum for five minutes. But the difference between £104 and £300 is huge for the fan. We do not think the fans are like cows, who you milk.” 🍼 🗣 “Football has got to be for everybody. That's the biggest difference between us and England.” 🏴 Old but gold and Perfectly put! 👏🏻 BRITISH FOOTBALL CLUBS TAKE NOTE!!!! 🇬🇧 That quote should be sent to every chairman in England.
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Post by mosher on Feb 14, 2024 12:49:15 GMT 1
This is one area where FFP works against the fans. Clubs have to maximise income and owners can’t subsidise tickets without consequences to the playing budget. I've said all along that FFP was only brought in to keep the Manures Bindippers and Arses at the top of the tree and keep us oiks out. It was never about protecting the smaller clubs IMO
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