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Post by Orinoco on Sept 29, 2024 21:49:03 GMT 1
Reading the last few pages. A small minority of our fanbase are really embarrassing themselves. Rome wasn't built in a day. Anyone with any knowledge will understand that. Things take time. Those that are being like petty schoolkids would be the first to moan if KN called it a day. Results have been terrible-Bolton aside- over the last 7 games. Even the 'happy clapper' camp would admit that. But the club is in good hands. There are a lot of mistakes from previous owners that still haven't been sorted, along with mistakes from the new regime. People just need to chill and enjoy their Sundays! At last a sensible post, rock on rockwall👍👍 |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 29, 2024 22:18:58 GMT 1
We 'chilled and enjoyed our sundays' until warnock saved the day, same again as 3 wins in 23 followed where we were told to chill, whilst Rome was being built. Chilled as we failed fantastically under a new manager and chilled during a summer where 'big talk' out did the business done by some tune. Chilled in our 3 game winning streak where all 3 games could easily have gone very badly wrong if luck had not been firmly with us. So we chill again and look to see if even the groundwork has been done properly to fucking build Rome on??? Allowing problems caused by those who went before to continue isnt sorting anything? Having a squad that cannot go behind in a game and come back or continually just switches off whilst playing nothing balls for no reason till they get caught with it or fuck it up isnt building Rome, its absolutely basic football and we are not good enough or motivated enough. This bloke isnt going to change it on the pitch, the owner will need to back him and tell him to drop who he likes for as long as he likes to get some discipline back in the squad and at least get some shirts on the pitch with bodies in them that want to play and are going to give it all they have. We are almost in slo motion when we get the ball, nobody appears anywhere they are not supposed to and we are easily countered and then beaten. The opposition look to have more players, the biggest giveaway that we are not working hard enough and Im sorry the talent is not there to win a third division game without a shitload of luck if we dont outwork the opposition. We could chill and watch this season follow the last 2 though.. Perhaps we build a better Rome in the 4th Division, will be pretty much the same players because nobody else will be offering anything but admin costs to take them?? At this moment we have nobody better or indeed close to being as good or influential in this division as probably 20 other clubs here, I think we will be better than 3 or 4 others even if the form continues. Im far more annoyed than last season or the one before, we have built the square root of fuck all and accepted 'just enough' or 'what do the fans expect' as some sort of excuse or reason for being dreadful again. Some context: many players contracts end after this season, not last. Many different players will be playing for town next season, in whatever division, determined also by how the incumbents perform this season. The context is unneccessary, our wage bill demands success this season, our attendances demand it and the talk from the owner seconded those demands. My only demand is that my team cover the ground as much as the opposition and they play with heart and concentration to match. We are outworked in games that we are 'not up for'(as admitted by Wiles) and Lees tells us we 'expect too much'  Not really interested in context that may or may not come in next season and we might be better. Its like saying we might be great in 2027/28 season etc... We play Birmingham on Tuesday, expiring contracts next July have no context to that. |
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 29, 2024 22:29:41 GMT 1
Are you and Kevin OK, Dave? Very quiet in the socials from you both last weeks What’s there to say? Need to win. Nothing else to say For me it's becoming simple. The belief is either... ...KN believes a promotion winning capable squad has been provided but they're being managed incompetently, therefore MD has to be out and Wagner gets the job this week. Or KN believes we don't have a promotion capable squad, there's no real point removing MD, we all suck it up and prepare for a pretty grim future. Which is it? |
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Post by shawsie on Sept 29, 2024 22:40:45 GMT 1
Reading the last few pages. A small minority of our fanbase are really embarrassing themselves. Rome wasn't built in a day. Anyone with any knowledge will understand that. Things take time. Those that are being like petty schoolkids would be the first to moan if KN called it a day. Results have been terrible-Bolton aside- over the last 7 games. Even the 'happy clapper' camp would admit that. But the club is in good hands. There are a lot of mistakes from previous owners that still haven't been sorted, along with mistakes from the new regime. People just need to chill and enjoy their Sundays! The big problem we are going to have shortly is folks enjoying their saturdays by not coming unless this current malaise is addressed. Ive only been to 2 home games myself......and been an amalgam of bored shitless and angry that our players are outworked and outhustled yet again. The owner has to realise very quickly that hes got a fan base who have become apathetic - very dangerous as once folks stop coming they often dont return full stop. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Sept 29, 2024 22:48:26 GMT 1
Some context: many players contracts end after this season, not last. Many different players will be playing for town next season, in whatever division, determined also by how the incumbents perform this season. The context is unneccessary, our wage bill demands success this season, our attendances demand it and the talk from the owner seconded those demands. My only demand is that my team cover the ground as much as the opposition and they play with heart and concentration to match. We are outworked in games that we are 'not up for'(as admitted by Wiles) and Lees tells us we 'expect too much' Not really interested in context that may or may not come in next season and we might be better. Its like saying we might be great in 2027/28 season etc... We play Birmingham on Tuesday, expiring contracts next July have no context to that. If Lees actually thinks that, then maybe he's part of the problem. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 29, 2024 23:40:48 GMT 1
The context is unneccessary, our wage bill demands success this season, our attendances demand it and the talk from the owner seconded those demands. My only demand is that my team cover the ground as much as the opposition and they play with heart and concentration to match. We are outworked in games that we are 'not up for'(as admitted by Wiles) and Lees tells us we 'expect too much' Not really interested in context that may or may not come in next season and we might be better. Its like saying we might be great in 2027/28 season etc... We play Birmingham on Tuesday, expiring contracts next July have no context to that. If Lees actually thinks that, then maybe he's part of the problem. New owner, new recruitment, new managers, new season(s) and its the third season that may well go the same way? I truly hope not but the signs are more there for it to go downhill than not, unfortunately. Its not just the defeats, its how we lose . The common denominator being players here before and during that period??? A goal down at Reading and yet no real push towards the end of the game to get it back, its difficult to watch and harder to accept. You expect real fucking urgency and at least headless chickens chasing anything and everything but nothing happened, it just petered out? ? |
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Post by willo on Sept 29, 2024 23:54:32 GMT 1
Reading the last few pages. A small minority of our fanbase are really embarrassing themselves. Rome wasn't built in a day. Anyone with any knowledge will understand that. Things take time. Those that are being like petty schoolkids would be the first to moan if KN called it a day. Results have been terrible-Bolton aside- over the last 7 games. Even the 'happy clapper' camp would admit that. But the club is in good hands. There are a lot of mistakes from previous owners that still haven't been sorted, along with mistakes from the new regime. People just need to chill and enjoy their Sundays! The big problem we are going to have shortly is folks enjoying their saturdays by not coming unless this current malaise is addressed. Ive only been to 2 home games myself......and been an amalgam of bored shitless and angry that our players are outworked and outhustled yet again. The owner has to realise very quickly that hes got a fan base who have become apathetic - very dangerous as once folks stop coming they often dont return full stop. The 3 home league games after Barnsley are Bristol Rovers, Exeter City & Wycombe Wanderers. That is the reality of League 1. Lose the next 2 and attendances will plummet (despite what is given out as the match attendance which will mirror a Bradford City attendance) as it’ll be really difficult for the fans to get up for those 3. Temperatures will be dropping, dark nights drawing in, I can see folk just not fancying it. |
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Post by rockwall on Sept 30, 2024 8:47:15 GMT 1
Reading the last few pages. A small minority of our fanbase are really embarrassing themselves. Rome wasn't built in a day. Anyone with any knowledge will understand that. Things take time. Those that are being like petty schoolkids would be the first to moan if KN called it a day. Results have been terrible-Bolton aside- over the last 7 games. Even the 'happy clapper' camp would admit that. But the club is in good hands. There are a lot of mistakes from previous owners that still haven't been sorted, along with mistakes from the new regime. People just need to chill and enjoy their Sundays! The big problem we are going to have shortly is folks enjoying their saturdays by not coming unless this current malaise is addressed. Ive only been to 2 home games myself......and been an amalgam of bored shitless and angry that our players are outworked and outhustled yet again. The owner has to realise very quickly that hes got a fan base who have become apathetic - very dangerous as once folks stop coming they often dont return full stop. I agree with this. I just find grown up men having a go online at the owners mate a bit pathetic. If people aren't enjoying it. They shouldn't attent. That would send more of a message. Why do people go to something that theyre not enjoying and that brings out an angry/abusive/petty side to them. Iv been bored shitless to the 2 games iv been able to make too. If we don't get a positive result tomorrow, il probably give Saturday a miss as the atmosphere will be abysmal and its a 4 hour round trip. Il probably get called out for that last part, but I'd rather enjoy my Saturday than sat around bored and listening to constant negativity. Hope that isn't the case. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 30, 2024 9:01:51 GMT 1
Reading the last few pages. A small minority of our fanbase are really embarrassing themselves. Rome wasn't built in a day. Anyone with any knowledge will understand that. Things take time. Those that are being like petty schoolkids would be the first to moan if KN called it a day. Results have been terrible-Bolton aside- over the last 7 games. Even the 'happy clapper' camp would admit that. But the club is in good hands. There are a lot of mistakes from previous owners that still haven't been sorted, along with mistakes from the new regime. People just need to chill and enjoy their Sundays! At last a sensible post, rock on rockwall👍👍 I agree 100 percent but it sounds like rock wall as given up a bit on town already and I don’t blame him, but it’s easier for all fans to chill if they have stopped attending half the games and that’s going to be tiwns issue . We started the season full of optimism 8 games in folk have already given up making the effort to come down every game. Not good. |
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Post by ben1987 on Sept 30, 2024 9:11:37 GMT 1
Forgive me but I don't see anything written in that article suggesting that KN was contractually obliged to appoint MC. Can you elaborate? There isn't. But I've always been wary of Cartwright and thought it was a strange, convenient appointment given one of his best mates and former employer Gary Mellor's company was advising over the takeover... Beswicks are still consultants to Huddersfield Town on how to run the football club, which at present they’re doing a cracking job of. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 30, 2024 9:13:47 GMT 1
The big problem we are going to have shortly is folks enjoying their saturdays by not coming unless this current malaise is addressed. Ive only been to 2 home games myself......and been an amalgam of bored shitless and angry that our players are outworked and outhustled yet again. The owner has to realise very quickly that hes got a fan base who have become apathetic - very dangerous as once folks stop coming they often dont return full stop. I agree with this. I just find grown up men having a go online at the owners mate a bit pathetic. If people aren't enjoying it. They shouldn't attent. That would send more of a message. Why do people go to something that theyre not enjoying and that brings out an angry/abusive/petty side to them. Iv been bored shitless to the 2 games iv been able to make too. If we don't get a positive result tomorrow, il probably give Saturday a miss as the atmosphere will be abysmal and its a 4 hour round trip. Il probably get called out for that last part, but I'd rather enjoy my Saturday than sat around bored and listening to constant negativity. Hope that isn't the case. The first two games were poor aswell, even Nagle wasn't happy watching those. I can't remember the last time I left the stadium happy knowing the players put in a proper shift and left it all out on the pitch? |
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Post by rockwall on Sept 30, 2024 9:31:57 GMT 1
I agree with this. I just find grown up men having a go online at the owners mate a bit pathetic. If people aren't enjoying it. They shouldn't attent. That would send more of a message. Why do people go to something that theyre not enjoying and that brings out an angry/abusive/petty side to them. Iv been bored shitless to the 2 games iv been able to make too. If we don't get a positive result tomorrow, il probably give Saturday a miss as the atmosphere will be abysmal and its a 4 hour round trip. Il probably get called out for that last part, but I'd rather enjoy my Saturday than sat around bored and listening to constant negativity. Hope that isn't the case. The first two games were poor aswell, even Nagle wasn't happy watching those. I can't remember the last time I left the stadium happy knowing the players put in a proper shift and left it all out on the pitch? It's certainly been a while. As another thread suggest, we are just so slow. Every single player we bring in seems to go backwards, become slower, lose the ability to pass a ball, lose the ability to shoot. Under numerous management teams too. |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 30, 2024 10:28:20 GMT 1
The first two games were poor aswell, even Nagle wasn't happy watching those. I can't remember the last time I left the stadium happy knowing the players put in a proper shift and left it all out on the pitch? It's certainly been a while. As another thread suggest, we are just so slow. Every single player we bring in seems to go backwards, become slower, lose the ability to pass a ball, lose the ability to shoot. Under numerous management teams too. Here's the problem, and it leans to your point about Rome not being built in a day. As fans we know what we are watching. This is a point worth reinforcing because the criticism aimed at the team has more than a basis of fact. Why I think fans are incredibly frustrated it is because we are seeing the same issues. Issues that should really have been addressed in the summer ie pace, ball retention, a striker who carries a threat/leads the line, character, leadership and a general team spirit (players who are invested in each other and look a coherent team). I think all those issues are still prevalent. When you consider we were said to be looking to deliver a promotion winning side there are too many deficiencies. We haven't built foundations on which anything substantial can be created. That is at the nub of the problem. There have been shoots of encouragement but the inconsistency must rest in the weaknesses that haven't been addressed. At some point someone needs to look at things across the club objectively. This can't yet have happened, certainly not effectively, and it needs to. Given those in charge with shaping the future of the club have been in post now for approx 18 months at what point does someone say "this isn't working"? To be fair to Mr Nagle he hasn't sat through the past few seasons like we have so his experience is limited. However he is an intelligent chap. I don't buy this"he doesn't know what he is doing" (the USA angle if you like) but at some point he needs to really ask serious questions about what is wrong and what is required. You might ask; "who does he ask that question of"? I would be sitting down with MD as he is the freshest pair of eyes. The days when managers scouted and picked players seem to be past but you have to ask if a wholly data driven recruitment policy is working for us? Our last successful team was largely created from knowledge (of character/leadership) as much as OPTA stats. This group neither look suited to the formation they have been recruited for/asked to play and they certainly don't have any personality/heart to deliver results. I have posted before that MD needs to adapt. This is the only way we will carry any sort of a challenge in this league this season. That said I think he has a tough job on but one thing I am sure of if he doesn't adapt things aren't likely to get better than we have seen in the last few games. The reality right now is that we are a long way from where we want the team to be. The evidence is that there is a lot of work to do. As fans that is incredibly frustrating. Personally I am accepting that reality and have no problem with challenging those in charge to be better. I don't want o here excuses or platitudes I want to see: 1 - MD adapt and find a way - 3-5-2, based on what I have seen, isn't working for two reasons, the players aren't suited (especially in midfield) and it is too easy for the opposition to play against (we have already been worked out, and by less talented teams) 2 - Mr Nagle challenging internally (we don't need diaries right now - unless it is about the stadium and perhaps acknowledgement that things need to be better/are being looked at) 3 - The players to take some responsibility and actually want to be better for themselves - currently there are too many hiding and showing little pride/desire (NB: That isn't about effort that is about doing things that make sense) I certainly wouldn't blame any fans for losing interest and choosing to not attend games. I equally don't support those who rant and abuse. Frustration is one thing but this is the time for clear heads. We need those in charge to recognise things aren't working and take steps to really change the narrative across the club. Rome certainly wasn't built in a day but I'd been asking if the architects currently have the right plans? As it stands the foundations look to be built on sand. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2024 10:39:59 GMT 1
I thought both Cartwright and Edwards were known to KN through the work they had done in the States. As I understand it he had worked with them in America on football matters and trusted their ability. Am I incorrect on this? It is only my recollection. Yes it appeared that instead of going out and getting some experienced football men he chose a couple of football guys he knew and liked from the USL. I can almost see why he thought it was a good idea but it seemed daft and naive from the outset. In Kevin's situation you want the best not a couple of lower league ex pros who have had to go to the states to carve out a career. Neither were doing jobs remotely like the ones they do here. Not sure what happened with Warnock but I just suspect MC may have been involved. From then on in almost every single decision has been the wrong one. Added to that it seems that the significant injection of cash provided by the owner has been pissed up the wall. I think we're in a similar situation to the second PL season now with a few where not only have we got poor players, we're also stuck paying them for the foreseeable. Wasn't Cartwright DOF at Stoke in the Premier League? The other way of looking at that is two people who were willing to seek out new challenges abroad, and, according to KN, made a good fist of them. On the decisons, do you think we made bad aquisitions this summer, either players or manager? Many of last seasons decisions were poor but that may have been a learning curve and, given the mess the club has been in for years, who they could attract? Also, as has been mentioned, we have a core of players whose contracts run umtil next summer, which there is nothing the club can do about unless they want to leave. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 30, 2024 11:00:26 GMT 1
I like Duff and I really hope ( and think ) he'll turn this current slump around.
I dont know him, but in terms of how he comes over he seems to have more honesty, intelligence and integrity than any manager weve had recently, going back to Wagner.
So in that respect he ticks a lot of boxes for me.
But hes got a lot of work to do because for whatever reason hes just not getting a song out of this current bunch at the moment.
So much of it is in their heads though. They are bereft of confidence in themselves individually and as a collective.
But I do think talk of replacing him is so premature. We cant go on chopping and changing managers every few months..it gets ridiculous.
Sooner or later we're going to have to stick with a manager when we 'could' fire him.
The last time we did that was probably Corboran and it very nearly paid massive dividends.
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 30, 2024 11:06:35 GMT 1
The problem is the players aren’t good enough and haven’t been since we came down from the Premier League (Corberan was a genius to get so much out of such a limited squad and, even then, the football was pragmatic rather than pretty).
The question is whose fault is it that we’ve had a team not capable of performing at the required level. The DoFs may be the obvious answer, but presumably they’re working to a tight budget and would use that in their defence. Then there’s been some disastrous managerial appointments. Again the same applies as with the playing squad. No one would have set Fotheringham on if there was money available to set on a proper manager (no one had before or has since) … and he’s not even got the worst record! It’s doubtful even Warnock could have produced miracles over a longer period.
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Post by dugnet on Sept 30, 2024 11:43:59 GMT 1
I like Duff and I really hope ( and think ) he'll turn this current slump around. I dont know him, but in terms of how he comes over he seems to have more honesty, intelligence and integrity than any manager weve had recently, going back to Wagner. So in that respect he ticks a lot of boxes for me. But hes got a lot of work to do because for whatever reason hes just not getting a song out of this current bunch at the moment. So much of it is in their heads though. They are bereft of confidence in themselves individually and as a collective. But I do think talk of replacing him is so premature. We cant go on chopping and changing managers every few months..it gets ridiculous. Sooner or later we're going to have to stick with a manager when we 'could' fire him. The last time we did that was probably Corboran and it very nearly paid massive dividends. I'd agree with all of that but he does need to find another way of playing as "do plan A better" isn't working. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 30, 2024 11:49:50 GMT 1
I like Duff and I really hope ( and think ) he'll turn this current slump around. I dont know him, but in terms of how he comes over he seems to have more honesty, intelligence and integrity than any manager weve had recently, going back to Wagner. So in that respect he ticks a lot of boxes for me. But hes got a lot of work to do because for whatever reason hes just not getting a song out of this current bunch at the moment. So much of it is in their heads though. They are bereft of confidence in themselves individually and as a collective. But I do think talk of replacing him is so premature. We cant go on chopping and changing managers every few months..it gets ridiculous. Sooner or later we're going to have to stick with a manager when we 'could' fire him. The last time we did that was probably Corboran and it very nearly paid massive dividends. Actually the last time we did that was Darren Moore. |
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Post by ldr on Sept 30, 2024 11:58:43 GMT 1
I like Duff and I really hope ( and think ) he'll turn this current slump around. I dont know him, but in terms of how he comes over he seems to have more honesty, intelligence and integrity than any manager weve had recently, going back to Wagner. So in that respect he ticks a lot of boxes for me. But hes got a lot of work to do because for whatever reason hes just not getting a song out of this current bunch at the moment. So much of it is in their heads though. They are bereft of confidence in themselves individually and as a collective. But I do think talk of replacing him is so premature. We cant go on chopping and changing managers every few months..it gets ridiculous. Sooner or later we're going to have to stick with a manager when we 'could' fire him. The last time we did that was probably Corboran and it very nearly paid massive dividends. Actually the last time we did that was Darren Moore. That’s true and it got worse rather than better. It’s such a quandary and a decision that I’m glad that I’m not taking! The three biggest issues are highlighted so accurately by dugnet and Captain: namely confidence, quality and formation. Changing the manager only ameliorates one of those fundamentals. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 30, 2024 12:00:10 GMT 1
I like Duff and I really hope ( and think ) he'll turn this current slump around. I dont know him, but in terms of how he comes over he seems to have more honesty, intelligence and integrity than any manager weve had recently, going back to Wagner. So in that respect he ticks a lot of boxes for me. But hes got a lot of work to do because for whatever reason hes just not getting a song out of this current bunch at the moment. So much of it is in their heads though. They are bereft of confidence in themselves individually and as a collective. But I do think talk of replacing him is so premature. We cant go on chopping and changing managers every few months..it gets ridiculous. Sooner or later we're going to have to stick with a manager when we 'could' fire him.The last time we did that was probably Corboran and it very nearly paid massive dividends. Agree 100% with you on all points. You make a great point ....highlighted in bold. |
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Post by Sio on Sept 30, 2024 12:03:24 GMT 1
I like Duff and I really hope ( and think ) he'll turn this current slump around. I dont know him, but in terms of how he comes over he seems to have more honesty, intelligence and integrity than any manager weve had recently, going back to Wagner. So in that respect he ticks a lot of boxes for me. But hes got a lot of work to do because for whatever reason hes just not getting a song out of this current bunch at the moment. So much of it is in their heads though. They are bereft of confidence in themselves individually and as a collective. But I do think talk of replacing him is so premature. We cant go on chopping and changing managers every few months..it gets ridiculous. Sooner or later we're going to have to stick with a manager when we 'could' fire him. The last time we did that was probably Corboran and it very nearly paid massive dividends. Actually the last time we did that was Darren Moore. And arguably before him, Mark Fotheringham. What a sad state of affairs. |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 30, 2024 12:05:28 GMT 1
What’s there to say? Need to win. Nothing else to say For me it's becoming simple. The belief is either... ...KN believes a promotion winning capable squad has been provided but they're being managed incompetently, therefore MD has to be out and Wagner gets the job this week. Or KN believes we don't have a promotion capable squad, there's no real point removing MD, we all suck it up and prepare for a pretty grim future. Which is it? Or, there's an acceptance that changing the culture and mindset of the players probably won't happen overnight? Or maybe they don't think our recent chopping and changing managers every few months has done us any favours. Also, why would Wagner come here? |
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 30, 2024 12:07:47 GMT 1
For me it’s quite simple.
I understand that those players we are lumbered with on decent wages and a contract were / are difficult to move on.
What I don’t understand is why we are still preserving with Cartwright.
He failed to sign the striker we needed (not ladapo or Marshall ) the striker that would have been our focal point. The focal point we don’t have.
I also don’t understand why he hasn’t done more due-diligence on the character / mental strength of those players he has signed. I’ve not seen one leader in any of the signings he has made. Not one.
Stuart Webber signed at least 5 club captains. It worked.
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Post by crux on Sept 30, 2024 12:21:14 GMT 1
For me it’s quite simple. I understand that those players we are lumbered with on decent wages and a contract were / are difficult to move on. What I don’t understand is why we are still preserving with Cartwright. He failed to sign the striker we needed (not ladapo or Marshall ) the striker that would have been our focal point. The focal point we don’t have. I also don’t understand why he hasn’t done more due-diligence on the character / mental strength of those players he has signed. I’ve not seen one leader in any of the signings he has made. Not one. Stuart Webber signed at least 5 club captains. It worked. On the striker question. If we had signed May, or the lad from Luton, then I'm not convinced it would have made that much difference to the way we are playing. Yes, both of them have more pace than any other of our strikers, but neither of them have the physicality to be an outlet to hold the ball up. |
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Post by hoggy1975 on Sept 30, 2024 12:27:58 GMT 1
For me it’s quite simple. I understand that those players we are lumbered with on decent wages and a contract were / are difficult to move on. What I don’t understand is why we are still preserving with Cartwright. He failed to sign the striker we needed (not ladapo or Marshall ) the striker that would have been our focal point. The focal point we don’t have. I also don’t understand why he hasn’t done more due-diligence on the character / mental strength of those players he has signed. I’ve not seen one leader in any of the signings he has made. Not one. Stuart Webber signed at least 5 club captains. It worked. On the striker question. If we had signed May, or the lad from Luton, then I'm not convinced it would have made that much difference to the way we are playing. Yes, both of them have more pace than any other of our strikers, but neither of them have the physicality to be an outlet to hold the ball up. You’re right. Both like to play on the defenders shoulder and run in behind so wouldn’t make a difference when we don’t create a lot of chances. Most of our chances come from set pieces. What I’ve said we’ve needed for years is a big target man. We struggle playing long because we can’t win headers or hold the ball up to bring more players into it.so we resort to a lot of the slow shitty play going to the wingbacks or through midfield if they fancy playing that day. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Sept 30, 2024 12:40:22 GMT 1
Two things:
1) we are stuck with players still in contract of little quality and draining the wage budget (pearson, Ward, Hogg, ruffles, lees (who has been a good servant but his time has now come to leave). Other teams don’t want these players so we haven’t had the clear out of personnel required to shift the losing mentality and poor technical ability.
2) we didn’t sign anywhere near good enough players in the summer. Marshall not good enough (not his fault. He’s still young and might have been a good 3rd or 4th choice), ladapo not good enough, so we’re light up top. We didn’t get a presence in midfield who can pass the ball. We signed some good fullbacks but we don’t have adequate replacements to push them to perform to their best, and for that we’re suffering.
2 is probably related to one as our hands are tied with currently contracted players nobody would want.
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Post by terrier17 on Sept 30, 2024 12:47:33 GMT 1
Unlike Fotheringham and Moore, Duff has had a full summer window to try shape the squad and train them to suit his system.
Unfortunately, the football has been dross for 90% of it so far and the results have turned massively.
I’m not saying he should be sacked, but if we fail to win before the next international break, it will only add to the pressure.
On another point, wasn’t Duff associated with Beswick Sports? If Cartwright gets the chop (hopefully Kev will see sense and he will!), then a new DoF may make their own mind up on Duff.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2024 12:51:13 GMT 1
I like Duff and I really hope ( and think ) he'll turn this current slump around. I dont know him, but in terms of how he comes over he seems to have more honesty, intelligence and integrity than any manager weve had recently, going back to Wagner. So in that respect he ticks a lot of boxes for me. But hes got a lot of work to do because for whatever reason hes just not getting a song out of this current bunch at the moment. So much of it is in their heads though. They are bereft of confidence in themselves individually and as a collective. But I do think talk of replacing him is so premature. We cant go on chopping and changing managers every few months..it gets ridiculous. Sooner or later we're going to have to stick with a manager when we 'could' fire him. The last time we did that was probably Corboran and it very nearly paid massive dividends. Actually the last time we did that was Darren Moore. But did we do any better with his replacement? We have seen what this group can do when they have their tails up so it isn’t like MD is playing for draws, as DM did against 10 men. I am sure he is baffled by it as well but he has the experience at this level to sort it out. As has been said sometimes, as with Coberan, you need to give the manager time to work out how to get the group playing as well as they can. Someone said in an earlier post the definition of madness is repeatedly doing the same thing and expect different results. Sometimes you just need the rub of the green in a couple of games to boost confidence. |
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Post by Dan on Sept 30, 2024 12:52:00 GMT 1
There isn't. But I've always been wary of Cartwright and thought it was a strange, convenient appointment given one of his best mates and former employer Gary Mellor's company was advising over the takeover... Beswicks are still consultants to Huddersfield Town on how to run the football club, which at present they’re doing a cracking job of. Heartening to know that as well as paying a CEO to run the club, we're also paying the under-performing Director of Football's former employers to tell the CEO how to run the club. |
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Post by ben1987 on Sept 30, 2024 12:55:15 GMT 1
Beswicks are still consultants to Huddersfield Town on how to run the football club, which at present they’re doing a cracking job of. Heartening to know that as well as paying a CEO to run the club, we're also paying the under-performing Director of Football's former employers to tell the CEO how to run the club. And as I posted previously, let’s also not forget that we have only two directors listed at Town. Nagle and his best mate. |
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