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Post by waggers on Jan 20, 2024 21:15:14 GMT 1
Not yet, we all got a bit excited with tbs delayed post match interview but no joy. |
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Post by King Neil on Jan 20, 2024 21:18:03 GMT 1
You and a few others are playing judge and jury regarding King Neil! I Don't listen to heresy...and frankly I don't care!!! He gave me and many others lots of happy times(both times around) Interesting perspective you have; When you play judge and jury of Nagel, that’s fine. When someone plays judge and jury of Warnock, that’s not fine. When you’re judge and jury of other posters, that’s fine. When they play judge and jury of you, that’s not fine. Yet you offer nothing to suggest you know different. 😉 But as you say, you don’t give a shit. Unless someone disagrees with you. And you’re right, of course you know what I say is shit - because you’re the real judge and jury. I don’t have contacts in the club whatsoever…. I’m not playing the Billy-big-balls itk, but my posting history suggests I know my onions on some matters. Anyway, have a good eve. Neil warnock gave us 2 Wembley appearances and a promotion Saved us from certain relegation last season!! Now tell me what nagle has done?? |
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Post by waggers on Jan 20, 2024 21:21:18 GMT 1
Interesting perspective you have; When you play judge and jury of Nagel, that’s fine. When someone plays judge and jury of Warnock, that’s not fine. When you’re judge and jury of other posters, that’s fine. When they play judge and jury of you, that’s not fine. Yet you offer nothing to suggest you know different. 😉 But as you say, you don’t give a shit. Unless someone disagrees with you. And you’re right, of course you know what I say is shit - because you’re the real judge and jury. I don’t have contacts in the club whatsoever…. I’m not playing the Billy-big-balls itk, but my posting history suggests I know my onions on some matters. Anyway, have a good eve. Neil warnock gave us 2 Wembley appearances and a promotion Saved us from certain relegation last season!! Now tell me what nagle has done?? Nagle was very badly advised. I agree with you that Warnock should never have been let go when he was. I'm cutting Nagle a bit of slack because he doesn't know the English game, he hired people who he thought did. They should have stressed the importance of having Warnock during the period we are going though. |
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Post by htfcterry on Jan 20, 2024 21:21:42 GMT 1
Don't you think Nagle will pull the trigger? No win in the next 2 I think he will. Nope. How bad does it have to get? |
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Post by Terry Jacko on Jan 20, 2024 21:24:59 GMT 1
Richie Wellens, speaks well, plays attacking football, won two league titles, doing well with orient in league one this season, best I can offer.
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Post by k1man999 on Jan 20, 2024 21:35:33 GMT 1
Who is out there as alternatives at this stage
Short term fixes or long term appointments
Thinking who is out there [out of wrk]
Nathan Jones
Heckingbottom
Nigel Pearson
Gary rowett
John Eustace
Steve bruce
Michael duff
Or a little bit out there
Roy Keane
Ruud van nistleroy
Lower league
Darren ferguson
Ian evatt
Nigel clough
Lee Bell
Or some unknown foreign coach
To be fair I'd take most of them over Moore and that was before he was appointed
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Post by waggers on Jan 20, 2024 21:37:38 GMT 1
Don't you think Nagle will pull the trigger? No win in the next 2 I think he will. Nope. How bad does it have to get? I know what you mean. I think after coming over here and experiencing things first hand he has reconsidered his options. |
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Post by sapphireblue on Jan 20, 2024 21:42:01 GMT 1
Just as a matter of grammar there can be many choices but only one alternative.
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Post by stevvy on Jan 20, 2024 21:45:28 GMT 1
Who is out there as alternatives at this stage Short term fixes or long term appointments Thinking who is out there [out of wrk] Nathan Jones Heckingbottom Nigel Pearson Gary rowett John Eustace Steve bruce Michael duff Or a little bit out there Roy Keane Ruud van nistleroy Lower league Darren ferguson Ian evatt Nigel clough Lee Bell Or some unknown foreign coach To be fair I'd take most of them over Moore and that was before he was appointed Some of those are clearly joke suggestions. Bruce, Keane and Van Nistelrooy to name just 3 that I'd put in the 'joke suggestion' column |
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Post by k1man999 on Jan 20, 2024 22:04:31 GMT 1
Who is out there as alternatives at this stage Short term fixes or long term appointments Thinking who is out there [out of wrk] Nathan Jones Heckingbottom Nigel Pearson Gary rowett John Eustace Steve bruce Michael duff Or a little bit out there Roy Keane Ruud van nistleroy Lower league Darren ferguson Ian evatt Nigel clough Lee Bell Or some unknown foreign coach To be fair I'd take most of them over Moore and that was before he was appointed Some of those are clearly joke suggestions. Bruce, Keane and Van Nistelrooy to name just 3 that I'd put in the 'joke suggestion' column just a flavour of out of work managers then a few lower league punt options Although despite the past I'd take bruce over this imposter that's how bad he is |
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Post by space hardware on Jan 20, 2024 22:11:42 GMT 1
At this point, I'd take Fotheringham back.
That's how fucking shit Moore is.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 20, 2024 22:22:16 GMT 1
John Eustace, but I'd give Moore 2 more games Why? Just why? He should have gone weeks ago. Wrong He should never have been appointed it was the ultimate self sabotage |
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Post by dbterrier32 on Jan 20, 2024 22:23:16 GMT 1
Who is out there as alternatives at this stage Short term fixes or long term appointments Thinking who is out there [out of wrk] Nathan Jones Heckingbottom Nigel Pearson Gary rowett John Eustace Steve bruce Michael duff Or a little bit out there Roy Keane Ruud van nistleroy Lower league Darren ferguson Ian evatt Nigel clough Lee Bell Or some unknown foreign coach To be fair I'd take most of them over Moore and that was before he was appointed Some of those are clearly joke suggestions. Bruce, Keane and Van Nistelrooy to name just 3 that I'd put in the 'joke suggestion' column Why is Van Nistlerooy in the joke category? Worked with youngsters at PSV and has very good win % at both senior and youth level at PSV. He resigned due to issues in the background rather than was shit. |
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Post by rab030 on Jan 21, 2024 0:02:43 GMT 1
The big concern for me is that although there are plenty of comments along the lines of ‘anybody’ would be better, we all know that’s not necessarily true.
Lots of obvious suggestions but most of those names are not very inspiring and have all failed recently.
Nobody has put forward a credible/realistic suggestion that has made the majority say - great idea!
We could easily spend Kev’s money and sack DM but I fear we will be having the same discussion 6 games later.
For the record I have no great ideas either but I’m worried about the next inevitable appointment just as much as I am about the current one.
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Jan 21, 2024 0:10:24 GMT 1
Steve Cooper.
Would think unrealistic but not too sure. I would say it depends on what size war chest he would be given in summer.
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Post by aideybabes on Jan 21, 2024 0:29:06 GMT 1
It wouldn’t at all surprise me if Jesse Marsch turned up.
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Post by willo on Jan 21, 2024 1:12:37 GMT 1
It wouldn’t at all surprise me if Jesse Marsch turned up. Out of the frying pan and into the fire then. First and foremost, we need an experienced Championship manager who will keep us up. I don’t want anybody from League 1 or a young overseas manager with no experience at this level of keeping clubs up unless the club are ok at being relegated and then hoping for an immediate return to the Championship which is a big, big gamble. Attendances that are already looking shaky will plummet and it is all about getting folk through the turnstiles. I would have said until very recently we would have no chance with a Steve Cooper or Ralph H but you don’t ask, you don’t get. After that, Heckinbotham or Rowett should be able to do the job we require to be dobe, at least in the short term. I sound like a busted flush but Moore was a poor appointment from the start, has not improved and from where I stand, won’t improve. Forget about one more game, we will lose next week at QPR and all that does is mean one game less. The club need to swallow their pride, accept it hasn’t worked with Moore and move on before the damage becomes irreparable. |
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Post by terrier86 on Jan 21, 2024 1:16:36 GMT 1
I don't personally want Moore sacked as its never good to call for a sacking. Albeit, he has to go.
What do we need in a manager....100% someone who can feel fine with an owner who is public in his backing or critiscm. Likewise he needs to have personality in his approach...Warnock, Wagner, Jackson (for all their flaws, fans love it!) and finally someone who can adapt in game and be flexible in their approach to get the best out of players.
I'm not sure who fits that bill, bit they need to tick all 3 boxes.
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Post by willo on Jan 21, 2024 1:53:42 GMT 1
I don't personally want Moore sacked as its never good to call for a sacking. Albeit, he has to go. What do we need in a manager....100% someone who can feel fine with an owner who is public in his backing or critiscm. Likewise he needs to have personality in his approach...Warnock, Wagner, Jackson (for all their flaws, fans love it!) and finally someone who can adapt in game and be flexible in their approach to get the best out of players. I'm not sure who fits that bill, bit they need to tick all 3 boxes. Moore has zero charisma, is static on the touchline and has proved time and time again he cannot change things up in a game when it’s required. |
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Post by westislandterrier on Jan 21, 2024 2:14:16 GMT 1
Unfortunately there’s not even any potential candidates that I can recommend from ⚽️ Scotland 🏴 at the present time I’m afraid ! ☹️
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Post by terrier86 on Jan 21, 2024 2:19:43 GMT 1
I don't personally want Moore sacked as its never good to call for a sacking. Albeit, he has to go. What do we need in a manager....100% someone who can feel fine with an owner who is public in his backing or critiscm. Likewise he needs to have personality in his approach...Warnock, Wagner, Jackson (for all their flaws, fans love it!) and finally someone who can adapt in game and be flexible in their approach to get the best out of players. I'm not sure who fits that bill, bit they need to tick all 3 boxes. Moore has zero charisma, is static on the touchline and has proved time and time again he cannot change things up in a game when it’s required. Hence why he needs to go. We deserve better. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Jan 21, 2024 10:08:38 GMT 1
On the basis that his chairman is a clown and therefore might be getable, Danny Rohl has done a fantastic job at Wednesday
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Post by Hazza on Jan 21, 2024 10:25:41 GMT 1
I’m not sold on Heckingbottom. The only season where his stats as a permanent manager are stellar is the Sheff Utd promotion season.
We need almost a guaranteed turnaround and I’m not sure he’s the best bet. I know nobody is guaranteed but it’s definitely time to go for a tried and tested guy in the championship. Cooper I feel will want to wait for a top end permanent club or bottom end prem.
But throw money at him, sell the project and he’d be my choice.
And despite how he looks I think we’d all get behind him as he’s a likeable chap.
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Post by CurlyWurly on Jan 21, 2024 10:28:32 GMT 1
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jan 21, 2024 10:33:08 GMT 1
Problem is the longer we leave it the more likely we’ll end up with a short term fix.
If we’re thinking long term is 18 games enough to bring in someone with a new style to mould the players and stave off relegation.
We know how long it can take but we haven’t seen evidence this group have the ability as yet to react to new progressive styles of play (granted, the managers they’ve had to learn off haven’t been good enough so it’s not to say they can’t)
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Post by JG Mellor on Jan 21, 2024 10:43:27 GMT 1
I’m not sold on Heckingbottom. The only season where his stats as a permanent manager are stellar is the Sheff Utd promotion season. We need almost a guaranteed turnaround and I’m not sure he’s the best bet. I know nobody is guaranteed but it’s definitely time to go for a tried and tested guy in the championship. Cooper I feel will want to wait for a top end permanent club or bottom end prem. But throw money at him, sell the project and he’d be my choice. And despite how he looks I think we’d all get behind him as he’s a likeable chap. With a boat race like that, you have to be likeable. If not you'd be fucking scary. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jan 21, 2024 10:50:44 GMT 1
The big concern for me is that although there are plenty of comments along the lines of ‘anybody’ would be better, we all know that’s not necessarily true. Lots of obvious suggestions but most of those names are not very inspiring and have all failed recently. Nobody has put forward a credible/realistic suggestion that has made the majority say - great idea! We could easily spend Kev’s money and sack DM but I fear we will be having the same discussion 6 games later. For the record I have no great ideas either but I’m worried about the next inevitable appointment just as much as I am about the current one. Come off it rab. It’s dead easy. Just sack DM and employ someone and we’ll fly up the league. 😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by pterrier on Jan 21, 2024 11:04:02 GMT 1
The big concern for me is that although there are plenty of comments along the lines of ‘anybody’ would be better, we all know that’s not necessarily true. Lots of obvious suggestions but most of those names are not very inspiring and have all failed recently. Nobody has put forward a credible/realistic suggestion that has made the majority say - great idea! We could easily spend Kev’s money and sack DM but I fear we will be having the same discussion 6 games later. For the record I have no great ideas either but I’m worried about the next inevitable appointment just as much as I am about the current one. Come off it rab. It’s dead easy. Just sack DM and employ someone and we’ll fly up the league. 😂😂😂😂😂 It’s more hilarious that some people don’t think we could employ someone better than a man with a win rate of 3 in 21. Up there with the worst in the country! |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 21, 2024 11:05:20 GMT 1
If we go with someone who has great potential then we end up similar to when we brough DM in. It's mid season and hard to make your stamp on things.
Hence why most teams go for someone like Warnock till the end of season.
(By the way I think if Warnock had stayed we would now be sat comfortably top 10 and getting new players for the last few months)
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Post by royrace on Jan 21, 2024 11:07:59 GMT 1
It feels to me we're now in need of a fire fighter and possibly not a long term option. Very tricky situation. I'd not be keen on Rowett or Jones long term I don't think but they probably have the experience to get us out of this mess.
Would a quality manager accept it short term though? Possibly not.
Shame Wagner has turned it around at Norwich.
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