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Post by itkterrier on Jan 23, 2024 19:51:42 GMT 1
Muscat would an interesting option very much followed the ange route with some success. Went to a Chinese club a month ago |
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Post by jqhtfc on Jan 23, 2024 20:11:29 GMT 1
Muscat would an interesting option very much followed the ange route with some success. Went to a Chinese club a month ago Never noticed last time I saw he was in Japan, scrap that then!. |
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Post by k1man999 on Jan 23, 2024 20:14:06 GMT 1
Unpopular but I'd give Jesse Marsch a go
Forget he was at bellend Road his record is not bad he will fit and understand the American way of doing stuff ie Kev on twatter etc. Was listening to the ex Southampton ceo who was appointing him but he turned them down as he believed there wasn't a proper plan in place to move forward etc the CEO spoke really well of him to be fair. Could he be any worse?
I wouldn't be adverse to Pearson either steady but doesn't take sh#t but don't think hierarchy would like him too much h like NW
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Post by rab030 on Jan 23, 2024 20:30:54 GMT 1
If we're going to go for a "safe" option (if there is such a thing), it's Rowett all day for me. Nearly 400 games at Championship level with a 39% win rate (bettered only by Warnock and Lee Clark in the last 30 years). Got sacked by Birmingham because the owners wanted a "big name" manager. Zola almost took them down, they were going for the playoffs when he was pushed. Went to Derby, did well for them before resigning to go to Stoke which didn't work out. Nearly 200 games at Millwall, took them to 4 successive top half finishes. He's not a glamorous manager by any means but there aren't many managers who know the Championship better than him, and his record speaks for itself. Struggling to argue with any of your logic but still feels very ‘boring’ |
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Post by willo on Jan 23, 2024 20:34:04 GMT 1
If we're going to go for a "safe" option (if there is such a thing), it's Rowett all day for me. Nearly 400 games at Championship level with a 39% win rate (bettered only by Warnock and Lee Clark in the last 30 years). Got sacked by Birmingham because the owners wanted a "big name" manager. Zola almost took them down, they were going for the playoffs when he was pushed. Went to Derby, did well for them before resigning to go to Stoke which didn't work out. Nearly 200 games at Millwall, took them to 4 successive top half finishes. He's not a glamorous manager by any means but there aren't many managers who know the Championship better than him, and his record speaks for itself. Struggling to argue with any of your logic but still feels very ‘boring’ I’d agree but perhaps boring but stable is what is needed at this moment in time. |
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Post by willo on Jan 23, 2024 20:40:39 GMT 1
Unpopular but I'd give Jesse Marsch a go Forget he was at bellend Road his record is not bad he will fit and understand the American way of doing stuff ie Kev on twatter etc. Was listening to the ex Southampton ceo who was appointing him but he turned them down as he believed there wasn't a proper plan in place to move forward etc the CEO spoke really well of him to be fair. Could he be any worse? I wouldn't be adverse to Pearson either steady but doesn't take sh#t but don't think hierarchy would like him too much h like NW Many weren’t happy when we appointed Grayson but was I ok with it as he did what others before couldn’t do and got us out of League 1 which he’d had previous experience of. I just can’t see Marsche being of any use in our current predicament given he hasn’t had prior experience of where we’re at now and surviving in the Championship is what it’s currently all about. He got lucky that first season with leeds and it caught up with him in time. Not good enough. |
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Post by willo on Jan 23, 2024 20:44:27 GMT 1
Wow, an entire thread for the deluded and bat shit crazy now upto 6 pages. Probably got going as a result of the recent comments from KN. It does seem from what he said there’s a lot riding on Sunday’s game at QPR for DM. |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 23, 2024 20:52:12 GMT 1
Struggling to argue with any of your logic but still feels very ‘boring’ I’d agree but perhaps boring but stable is what is needed at this moment in time. Most want Warnock back - gets results, but it is a boring watch at times. Rowett would be my realistic number 1 choice. Pete Wild if it was someone making a step up. |
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Post by Fish & Chips on Jan 23, 2024 21:31:56 GMT 1
Troy Deeney is now available. And he’ll remain available. Yes, it was meant to be a joke. |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jan 23, 2024 21:33:58 GMT 1
Muscat would an interesting option very much followed the ange route with some success. Went to a Chinese club a month ago He'll want another one soon then. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 23, 2024 22:26:22 GMT 1
Unpopular but I'd give Jesse Marsch a go Forget he was at bellend Road his record is not bad he will fit and understand the American way of doing stuff ie Kev on twatter etc. Was listening to the ex Southampton ceo who was appointing him but he turned them down as he believed there wasn't a proper plan in place to move forward etc the CEO spoke really well of him to be fair. Could he be any worse? I wouldn't be adverse to Pearson either steady but doesn't take sh#t but don't think hierarchy would like him too much h like NW Many weren’t happy when we appointed Grayson but was I ok with it as he did what others before couldn’t do and got us out of League 1 which he’d had previous experience of. I just can’t see Marsche being of any use in our current predicament given he hasn’t had prior experience of where we’re at now and surviving in the Championship is what it’s currently all about. He got lucky that first season with leeds and it caught up with him in time. Not good enough. And he's always come across as an absolute bellend |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 23, 2024 22:27:50 GMT 1
And he’ll remain available. Yes, it was meant to be a joke. The aftermatch interviews would be more entertaining though |
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Post by St Dogs Terrier on Jan 23, 2024 22:36:54 GMT 1
Many weren’t happy when we appointed Grayson but was I ok with it as he did what others before couldn’t do and got us out of League 1 which he’d had previous experience of. I just can’t see Marsche being of any use in our current predicament given he hasn’t had prior experience of where we’re at now and surviving in the Championship is what it’s currently all about. He got lucky that first season with leeds and it caught up with him in time. Not good enough. And he's always come across as an absolute bellend I know someone who has spoken to Marsch (in a professional capacity) on more than one occasion and can confirm bellend doesn't do justice. |
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Post by royrace on Jan 23, 2024 22:52:25 GMT 1
I wouldn’t be unhappy with either Rowett or Heckinbotham from here on in. Both a relatively safe set of hands with a decent track record if unspectacular. It’s a shame we got the current manager so wrong. If we’d he’d waited just another 6 weeks before dismissing NW, Rowett and a few others were available. As it stands, I reckon it’d be a big risk to go for a young, potentially exciting, coach from the continent at this stage. We’ve wasted a roll of the dice with Moore unfortunately. Isn't that pretty much the case with Moore though? Yes he hasn't worked here, and I'm no fan of him either, but his achievements prior to us aren't much different to PH and GR. Has Rowett ever even achieved a promotion? I'm amazed at the number of folk on here suggesting he'd be a good replacement for Moore. His record is SO much better than Moore's. Over achieved at several clubs and solid championship experience as opposed to a few months once culminating in the sack and the other relegation. |
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Post by willo on Jan 24, 2024 0:57:12 GMT 1
And he's always come across as an absolute bellend I know someone who has spoken to Marsch (in a professional capacity) on more than one occasion and can confirm bellend doesn't do justice. He certainly seems to have a high opinion of himself in some of his interviews. |
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Post by Fish & Chips on Jan 24, 2024 7:14:03 GMT 1
Unpopular but I'd give Jesse Marsch a go Forget he was at bellend Road his record is not bad he will fit and understand the American way of doing stuff ie Kev on twatter etc. Was listening to the ex Southampton ceo who was appointing him but he turned them down as he believed there wasn't a proper plan in place to move forward etc the CEO spoke really well of him to be fair. Could he be any worse? I wouldn't be adverse to Pearson either steady but doesn't take sh#t but don't think hierarchy would like him too much h like NW Surely even Ted Lasso could do a better job than the present incumbent. |
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Post by royrace on Jan 24, 2024 10:38:36 GMT 1
I know someone who has spoken to Marsch (in a professional capacity) on more than one occasion and can confirm bellend doesn't do justice. He certainly seems to have a high opinion of himself in some of his interviews. I didn't want him purely because it sounds all wrong an American coach talking about football, good to hear he is also a knob and probably thinks he's too good for the job, gives me a more valid reason for not wanting him as manager. |
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Post by dugnet on Jan 24, 2024 11:14:43 GMT 1
The problem is that if a change is to be made we need someone who can get results immediately. I am not sure what the vision is for the longer term in terms of style, identity etc... (it would be interesting to know how DM fitted into that plan when appointed, assuming there was a long term plan/vision).
It's looking a bit of a mess/cock up, which doesn't reflect well on Edwards and Cartwright.
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Post by willo on Jan 24, 2024 11:47:12 GMT 1
The problem is that if a change is to be made we need someone who can get results immediately. I am not sure what the vision is for the longer term in terms of style, identity etc... (it would be interesting to know how DM fitted into that plan when appointed, assuming there was a long term plan/vision). It's looking a bit of a mess/cock up, which doesn't reflect well on Edwards and Cartwright. And there in lies the problem. Because we have in effect wasted a go with DM, I don’t feel we’re in a position to bring in an untried, untested coach from overseas at this point as it could turn out to be another Siewart situation - ie we are relegated and all confidence is knocked out of team and coach. Obviously there are no guarantees but I’d say there’s a better chance of staying up with an experienced coach who has previously managed at this level. But you might be asking this person to specifically do the job of keeping us up and then wish to appoint the overseas coach in the summer and who (apart from the obvious) would want to come for 4 months? We have painted ourselves into a corner somewhat. |
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Post by irverino on Jan 24, 2024 12:15:35 GMT 1
The problem is that if a change is to be made we need someone who can get results immediately. I am not sure what the vision is for the longer term in terms of style, identity etc... (it would be interesting to know how DM fitted into that plan when appointed, assuming there was a long term plan/vision). It's looking a bit of a mess/cock up, which doesn't reflect well on Edwards and Cartwright. And there in lies the problem. Because we have in effect wasted a go with DM, I don’t feel we’re in a position to bring in an untried, untested coach from overseas at this point as it could turn out to be another Siewart situation - ie we are relegated and all confidence is knocked out of team and coach. Obviously there are no guarantees but I’d say there’s a better chance of staying up with an experienced coach who has previously managed at this level. But you might be asking this person to specifically do the job of keeping us up and then wish to appoint the overseas coach in the summer and who (apart from the obvious) would want to come for 4 months? We have painted ourselves into a corner somewhat. What will it take to change the error of DM? A few posters say don't worry about the teams below us results, well maybe we should now? The next two games for QPR (Town/Blackburn a) & SW (Watford h/Town) are winnable for both possibly leaving Town 2nd from bottom at 5pm a week on Saturday.........Maybe then the alarms bells will start ringing, hopefully on both sides of the Atlantic! |
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Post by dugnet on Jan 24, 2024 12:39:35 GMT 1
The problem is that if a change is to be made we need someone who can get results immediately. I am not sure what the vision is for the longer term in terms of style, identity etc... (it would be interesting to know how DM fitted into that plan when appointed, assuming there was a long term plan/vision). It's looking a bit of a mess/cock up, which doesn't reflect well on Edwards and Cartwright. And there in lies the problem. Because we have in effect wasted a go with DM, I don’t feel we’re in a position to bring in an untried, untested coach from overseas at this point as it could turn out to be another Siewart situation - ie we are relegated and all confidence is knocked out of team and coach. Obviously there are no guarantees but I’d say there’s a better chance of staying up with an experienced coach who has previously managed at this level. But you might be asking this person to specifically do the job of keeping us up and then wish to appoint the overseas coach in the summer and who (apart from the obvious) would want to come for 4 months? We have painted ourselves into a corner somewhat. I couldn't agree more that we have painted ourselves into a corner. Being critical it shows that lack of a long term plan last summer. The idea to allow Mr Nagle to find his feet and understand what was required in the initial stages of his ownership made sense. That however was only going to work if the team was stable in the championship. I know there are some who will argue that NW wouldn't have done any better than DM but quite frankly I think that argument is nonsense. NW would almost certainly had us 8-10 points better than now, which would have been ok in the context of our current predicament. What it has resulted has left us is, once again, scrambling for our Championship status. But, sadly, we are where we are and we can't go back. You have to ask if DM was really the ideal candidate for the long term vision? If so, what was the long term vision? To balance this addressing our obvious issues in the squad in January looks an increasingly poor strategy. DM has been given a tough task but could he have done better? Most are disappointed in what he has delivered. On the plus side I do think that Mr Nagle is committed to the log term future of the club and I also think he is learning. Unfortunately he may learn with a relegation on his resume (as they would say in the USA). Both short and long term Mr Nagle needs to stamp his vision and plan across the club. That needs to be clear so we all understand the outcome we are trying to achieve. So if another managerial change is made is that short term or part of a long term strategy? Would a new manager be given leeway if he couldn't save us from the drop? I suppose it would depend on what we see on the pitch i.e. we might well see an improvement but it might not be good enough. Of course in the middle of January, with 19 games left and potentially being in the bottom 3 by Sunday afternoon none of this feels important. And there is the real risk for Mr Nagle, how many people will turn off and take some winning back? I suppose the attendance at Plymouth, after Mr Nagle's welcome engagement, showed that fans are desperate for something to get behind. Mr Nagle needs to keep everyone onside and winning games of football is the ultimate vehicle for this. |
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Post by willo on Jan 24, 2024 13:09:18 GMT 1
And there in lies the problem. Because we have in effect wasted a go with DM, I don’t feel we’re in a position to bring in an untried, untested coach from overseas at this point as it could turn out to be another Siewart situation - ie we are relegated and all confidence is knocked out of team and coach. Obviously there are no guarantees but I’d say there’s a better chance of staying up with an experienced coach who has previously managed at this level. But you might be asking this person to specifically do the job of keeping us up and then wish to appoint the overseas coach in the summer and who (apart from the obvious) would want to come for 4 months? We have painted ourselves into a corner somewhat. What will it take to change the error of DM? A few posters say don't worry about the teams below us results, well maybe we should now? The next two games for QPR (Town/Blackburn a) & SW (Watford h/Town) are winnable for both possibly leaving Town 2nd from bottom at 5pm a week on Saturday.........Maybe then the alarms bells will start ringing, hopefully on both sides of the Atlantic! And it’s not just the next 2, have you seen the next run of games? Where are the points coming from there as it stands? The only comfort I can take is that Rotherham aren’t showing any signs, there is possible unrest at Wednesday and that both QPR and Blackburn may be facing points deductions. |
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Post by steo1986 on Jan 25, 2024 16:39:23 GMT 1
Theo Chandler theo_Chand · 1h Believe John Eustace has also been contacted by Huddersfield Town about replacing Darren Moore, amid ongoing frustration from the #htafc board with their current state. Heckingbottom and Eustace, top candidates IF they decide to make the change. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Jan 27, 2024 11:59:17 GMT 1
With Klopp and his staff leaving Liverpool, it could be a good time to try and get his assistant Pep Jijnders. The last disciple of Klopp to come to Town did pretty well.
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Post by steo1986 on Jan 27, 2024 14:29:20 GMT 1
With Klopp and his staff leaving Liverpool, it could be a good time to try and get his assistant Pep Jijnders. The last disciple of Klopp to come to Town did pretty well. Good shout would be class appointment but unfortunately we wouldn't be able to afford his left leg never mind anything else i dare to think the wage he is on! Personally i think majority of Klopp's staff will go with him to where ever he ends up next or stay with Liverpool for the time begin then move on to where ever Klopp ends up at a later date. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Jan 27, 2024 14:42:50 GMT 1
You could be right. Although his boss has just said he’s going to have a year off and he’s only 40. Might be ready to go his own way.
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Post by DATM Travel Agent on Jan 27, 2024 19:07:45 GMT 1
According to Football Manager, Pep Lijnders is on £50k a week. Not a cat in hell's chance we'd be able to afford even half that amount.
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Jan 27, 2024 20:11:00 GMT 1
£2.5m to be an assistant. That’s mad. Probably not then.
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Post by waggers on Jan 27, 2024 20:51:23 GMT 1
£2.5m to be an assistant. That’s mad. Probably not then. I doubt he'd walk into a Premier League job at the moment though, could well be someone who's been an assistant at a massive club has to take a lesser profit job to prove his metal. I'm not saying there is any chance in this lad turning up. Just that a successful assistant will have to at some point get out from under someone else's wing and create his own name. |
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Post by jjamez on Jan 27, 2024 21:20:57 GMT 1
Pep lijnders might be on a lot of money now but come the end of the season he'll be on nothing, klopps team is leaving with him.
That being said, it was believed that he wants to go and find a job as a manager again, so in that case he'd probably be accepting of less wage in return for the right challenge, backing and support.
I reckon same could be said for Anthony Barry out in Munich with tuchel. If we were wanting a younger left field appointment then Eric Ramsay at man united would be an option too
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