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Post by oneneilwarnock on Feb 6, 2024 14:30:53 GMT 1
I actually think Duff would be ok, high pressing sides with big emphasis on fitness is something that will resonate with our fanbase, he's close mates with Dyche from Burnley and learnt a lot of his trade from him. I don't think its as bad as people fear and he's considerably better than Heckingbottom for me. The issue lies with the fact he's just fallen into town's lap again. English out of a job and just really reiterates how lazy and limited Cartwright is. I'm struggling to see any positive posts from those in the know or those who aren't about Cartwright and i think he could be a much bigger issue for the club in the next 18 months. I think it would be a decent appointment too. Just one point though, he’s not English. Yeah sorry Northern Irish/England based coach*
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 6, 2024 14:38:30 GMT 1
I actually think Duff would be ok, high pressing sides with big emphasis on fitness is something that will resonate with our fanbase, he's close mates with Dyche from Burnley and learnt a lot of his trade from him. I don't think its as bad as people fear and he's considerably better than Heckingbottom for me. The issue lies with the fact he's just fallen into town's lap again. English out of a job and just really reiterates how lazy and limited Cartwright is. I'm struggling to see any positive posts from those in the know or those who aren't about Cartwright and i think he could be a much bigger issue for the club in the next 18 months. My concerns with Duff: * Fans don't seem to want him (although frankly I think whoever comes in will get that reaction.) * How much of his success came from his partnership with Martin Paterson (who is no longer available)? The failure at Swansea doesn't worry me too much. It was an odd appointment for them to bringing someone whose style of play is so vastly different from what they've been doing for 17 years. I don't think it's necessarily a bad appointment though. Not my first choice (that would be the equally unpopular John Eustace), but not a bad option IF we're confident about Paterson's absence not hurting him.
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Post by Drew Peacock on Feb 6, 2024 14:39:41 GMT 1
Think most town fans are looking more for a miracle worker than a manager for the second season in a row Worthington set the team up well on Sunday and his knowledge of the squad could be a massuve advantage than some other starting from scratch Will be very interesting to see how the team do V a very good Southampton team as a massive test for Worthington Personally I dont think its a massive test, Wednesday was as it was a must win game. Southampton we are expected to lose (Like Burnley last year when Warnock took over). If both squads play to their ability Southampton will win no matter what plan Worthy sets up. Our best chance IMO is them being over confident and us nicking a goal first to rattle them. If Moore was still manager we would lose even if we got the first goal, with Worthy in charge we will be going for more not sitting back trying to soak up pressure, I think we have more chance of nicking it if that pans out. The squad has shown they are shite at just going into their shell, they look a much better team going for it with quick attacks. I personally would rather get stuffed 5-0 going for it than just trying to soak up pressure and losing anyway. I first really got into following town every match in the Buxton era and he always set up to win , not look for a draw no matter who the opposition were, sure get a draw if you cannot win, but winning was the aim from the outset. To be fair to Moore, when we did score the first goal we very rarely lost... ... obviously we very rarely won either mind.
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 6, 2024 14:40:17 GMT 1
Cheers for letting us know Duff, Parker and Eustace have had interviews we would never have guessed, honestly just give it up its embarrassing now nobody believes anything you say. Good insight however Rowett was one of the 3 I was aware of........ There is nothing to believe or not believe in the post, just a question to see if anyone would be happy with any of the 7 names above for me in order below top being who i would want first choice for example like a poll but with names that are actually more realistic / talked about on here. - Muscat (think this would be a really interesting appointment, just started a job in China end of last year but he might not be liking it) - Mason (it might be time for Ryan to try himself) - Rowett (good solid championship manager and always seems to get his teams towards the playoffs, not exciting but solid) - Parker (just think he offers more than the below personally) - Duff (not proven in the championship, risky) - Eustace (did well with a Birmingham team he knew well, not sure he has done enough to be considered at this time) - Bianco (i have no idea and dont think he is even someone to consider). That would be More Than I Can Bear.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Feb 6, 2024 14:47:09 GMT 1
According t'Yorkshire Post, Duff & Moore are among the favourites for the Port Vale job.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Feb 6, 2024 14:48:57 GMT 1
Muscat one seems interesting. Obviously played for many seasons in the division so knows what it’s about,although it’s probably a touch different now to then. Coaching wise he’s spent a lot of time as assistant to ange so has that style/philosophy rubbed off on him at all. Very good record when took over Melbourne and over 200 games in charge of them. Then has moved about a bit.A short and unsuccessful stint in Belgium and then took over from ange again to manage in Japan where he did well. Currently in china and hasn’t been there too long. Would it be a good choice? My only concern is that one appointment in Belgium. A blemish on an otherwise good record. That can happen anywhere. He plays positive attacking football, seems to be a good man manager and has been assistant to Ange. I’m sure he’s been onto the phone with Mooy if he’s interested and I would think he’d have the respect of the dressing room. Also would have great knowledge of the Japanese market and because he’s managed in Japan he’d more than likely be an attractive manager for any Japanese player looking to make the step to Europe this summer, much like it was for Celtic and Ange. A bit of a risk but I can also see there being a big reward to follow if we stay up (which I think we will). I would support this appointment.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Feb 6, 2024 14:50:00 GMT 1
Still keep seeing Duffs name being one of a front runner. Those inside the club on here and read the room. The majority of fans do not want him. You need to fix you're relationship with the fans! I look at various names being mentioned & every single one of them attracts a negative reaction from fans. I have to wonder what exactly people are expecting? Is there anybody that fans would give a positive response to? If so, how realistic are those options? they want the one who they've never heard of but he wears a flat cap and looks tough. Obviously....
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Post by Melc on Feb 6, 2024 14:51:55 GMT 1
According t'Yorkshire Post, Duff & Moore are among the favourites for the Port Vale job. Yes I noticed yesterday their fans were wanting Duff.
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Post by jqhtfc on Feb 6, 2024 15:04:25 GMT 1
I look at various names being mentioned & every single one of them attracts a negative reaction from fans. I have to wonder what exactly people are expecting? Is there anybody that fans would give a positive response to? If so, how realistic are those options? they want the one who they've never heard of but he wears a flat cap and looks tough. Obviously.... What if you have heard of him and seen his team play though is that okay 👍🏻
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Post by ambryboy on Feb 6, 2024 15:04:59 GMT 1
The Kettering town manager is James Le Masurier. That name might sound foreign enough to excite some? Oh I say, that really is quite wonderful. Josh, would you mind awfully playing at left-back tonight? We are frightfully short of other players to play there.
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Post by ambryboy on Feb 6, 2024 15:09:34 GMT 1
According t'Yorkshire Post, Duff & Moore are among the favourites for the Port Vale job. Yes I noticed yesterday their fans were wanting Duff. Hardly surprising if they're the only option.
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Post by tottz on Feb 6, 2024 15:10:29 GMT 1
I think if we were all to step back and think about it objectively, Duff fits the bill almost perfectly. Good track record with one blemish, up and coming, plays football that would definitely suit the tastes of our fans.
Naturally there’s that tinge of disappointment because if we’re all honest with ourselves, we have that irrational hope of fans that we can and should get someone better. The fan part of me is desperate for Cooper or someone even more high profile, the rational and objective part of me says Duff is a good fit
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Post by boooothy on Feb 6, 2024 15:12:57 GMT 1
If you want someone who has never failed you’re likely to get the latest Siewart or Fotheringham
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Post by kyg on Feb 6, 2024 15:17:30 GMT 1
I do think it’s funny how some people are so against pretty much every manager that gets brought up. Yes some of them are boring, predictable, merry go round managers but who cares if they do a good job?
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Post by runner76 on Feb 6, 2024 15:17:36 GMT 1
If you want someone who has never failed you’re likely to get the latest Siewart or Fotheringham ….at least one of them had a lower win ratio than Moore…..
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Post by kyg on Feb 6, 2024 15:18:37 GMT 1
I think if we were all to step back and think about it objectively, Duff fits the bill almost perfectly. Good track record with one blemish, up and coming, plays football that would definitely suit the tastes of our fans. Naturally there’s that tinge of disappointment because if we’re all honest with ourselves, we have that irrational hope of fans that we can and should get someone better. The fan part of me is desperate for Cooper or someone even more high profile, the rational and objective part of me says Duff is a good fit I feel like Cooper would probably be a good appointment even though I can’t stand him on a personal level.
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Post by goodbet on Feb 6, 2024 15:23:41 GMT 1
If you want someone who has never failed you’re likely to get the latest Siewart or Fotheringham ….at least one of them had a lower win ratio than Moore….. Can't have been lower than DM's win ratio at Town though could it.
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Post by tottz on Feb 6, 2024 15:27:26 GMT 1
I think if we were all to step back and think about it objectively, Duff fits the bill almost perfectly. Good track record with one blemish, up and coming, plays football that would definitely suit the tastes of our fans. Naturally there’s that tinge of disappointment because if we’re all honest with ourselves, we have that irrational hope of fans that we can and should get someone better. The fan part of me is desperate for Cooper or someone even more high profile, the rational and objective part of me says Duff is a good fit I feel like Cooper would probably be a good appointment even though I can’t stand him on a personal level. Yeah, I don’t think he comes across very well on TV, especially when he’s moaning but according to plenty at Forest he was really big into the community and a lovely bloke
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 6, 2024 15:28:34 GMT 1
Personally I dont think its a massive test, Wednesday was as it was a must win game. Southampton we are expected to lose (Like Burnley last year when Warnock took over). If both squads play to their ability Southampton will win no matter what plan Worthy sets up. Our best chance IMO is them being over confident and us nicking a goal first to rattle them. If Moore was still manager we would lose even if we got the first goal, with Worthy in charge we will be going for more not sitting back trying to soak up pressure, I think we have more chance of nicking it if that pans out. The squad has shown they are shite at just going into their shell, they look a much better team going for it with quick attacks. I personally would rather get stuffed 5-0 going for it than just trying to soak up pressure and losing anyway. I first really got into following town every match in the Buxton era and he always set up to win , not look for a draw no matter who the opposition were, sure get a draw if you cannot win, but winning was the aim from the outset. To be fair to Moore, when we did score the first goal we very rarely lost... ... obviously we very rarely won either mind. There was a quote on the highlights from Saturday that Town and Leeds are the only Championship teams who haven't lost from a winning position in the league yet this season. (although we did score first in the loss to Cardiff!)
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Post by kyg on Feb 6, 2024 15:30:31 GMT 1
To be fair to Moore, when we did score the first goal we very rarely lost... ... obviously we very rarely won either mind. There was a quote on the highlights from Saturday that Town and Leeds are the only Championship teams who haven't lost from a winning position in the league yet this season. (although we did score first in the loss to Cardiff!) Well you could argue we were never in a winning position under Moore LOL. If we scored first it meant the other side were going to equalize in the next 10 minutes, we were never likely to win.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 6, 2024 15:33:24 GMT 1
To be fair to Moore, when we did score the first goal we very rarely lost... ... obviously we very rarely won either mind. There was a quote on the highlights from Saturday that Town and Leeds are the only Championship teams who haven't lost from a winning position in the league yet this season. (although we did score first in the loss to Cardiff!)Really? The 0-4 game? An invisible goal was it?
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Post by castlehillterrier on Feb 6, 2024 15:35:19 GMT 1
I think if we were all to step back and think about it objectively, Duff fits the bill almost perfectly. Good track record with one blemish, up and coming, plays football that would definitely suit the tastes of our fans. Naturally there’s that tinge of disappointment because if we’re all honest with ourselves, we have that irrational hope of fans that we can and should get someone better. The fan part of me is desperate for Cooper or someone even more high profile, the rational and objective part of me says Duff is a good fit I feel like Cooper would probably be a good appointment even though I can’t stand him on a personal level. I am not sure anyone argues with this point, but Cooper will not come here we are not in a position to attract someone like Cooper.
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Post by paulmat on Feb 6, 2024 15:36:26 GMT 1
I don't think the fans are against Duff anymore than any other realistic candidate. There's a couple of twitter polls at the moment, one has him ahead of Heckingbottom and below Eustace, one has him as 30% yes, 32% no, 38% undecided. Not overwhelmingly positive but I'm not sure the unifying candidate is available, or if they are, not one that wouldn't come without huge risk.
It's a little different to the Moore appointment. Expectations were higher then, as the manager was sold as somebody that good we had to move Warnock on to get him while available. Expectations should probably be lower now. I think we have to trust the club (FOR NOW) to make a better judgement than last time, they are conducting interviews, they are asssessing character. Darren Moore's previous record wasn't the issue, Darren Moore's character and style of play/tactical ability were the problem. That's something we can't easily judge by just looking at win % etc. However if they make another appointment who can't get the fans onside overtime and can't play a style of football the fans can relate to then they will have failed again and at that point, the people making the decisions should be in the firing line.
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Post by Matt1908 on Feb 6, 2024 15:47:04 GMT 1
Realistically, are we going to get someone with a perfect record, probably not. 99% of people on our shortlist will either have failed previously or been untested at this level, a 3 month failure at Swansea is a fairly minor blip in comparison to some of the others on the list.
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Post by Melc on Feb 6, 2024 15:49:00 GMT 1
I feel like Cooper would probably be a good appointment even though I can’t stand him on a personal level. I am not sure anyone argues with this point, but Cooper will not come here we are not in a position to attract someone like Cooper. Your best post yet!
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Post by blue on Feb 6, 2024 15:49:19 GMT 1
Paolo Bianco anyone?
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Post by bells ringing :) on Feb 6, 2024 15:52:10 GMT 1
someone else said this name, how come you heard something?
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Post by tottz on Feb 6, 2024 15:54:14 GMT 1
I feel like Cooper would probably be a good appointment even though I can’t stand him on a personal level. I am not sure anyone argues with this point, but Cooper will not come here we are not in a position to attract someone like Cooper. I thought you said he’d been interviewed earlier?
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Post by blue on Feb 6, 2024 15:55:21 GMT 1
On Yorkshire evening post 4th favourite on bet victor
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Post by conman on Feb 6, 2024 15:58:23 GMT 1
Still keep seeing Duffs name being one of a front runner. Those inside the club on here and read the room. The majority of fans do not want him. You need to fix you're relationship with the fans! I look at various names being mentioned & every single one of them attracts a negative reaction from fans. I have to wonder what exactly people are expecting? Is there anybody that fans would give a positive response to? If so, how realistic are those options? That German guy with the flat cap most likely..
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