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Post by Junior & Onuora on Feb 5, 2024 14:55:30 GMT 1
Doesn't work like that, Cap'n. He has come from an offside position at the time Bojan had the ball and he then receives it. Offside every single time. We've had numerous decisions where the fans are up in arms when an offside is given - even in our own half! - but it's because a player has come from an offside position to receive the ball. It's the correct decision. Offside is taken from the moment the ball is passed to you. Yes he was in an offside position before that, but IMO by the moment Bojan passes the ball to him, he has run back onside. I just love how offside is interpreted "IMO" on this site. Sorry, but it's absolutes. Not how you interpret the rules. Not what the rules where when you were at school. It's all there in Law 11. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 5, 2024 15:03:02 GMT 1
Offside is taken from the moment the ball is passed to you. Yes he was in an offside position before that, but IMO by the moment Bojan passes the ball to him, he has run back onside. I just love how offside is interpreted "IMO" on this site. Sorry, but it's absolutes. Not how you interpret the rules. Not what the rules where when you were at school. It's all there in Law 11. Another voice of reason.  He was offside. |
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Post by blueandbrightside on Feb 5, 2024 15:38:15 GMT 1
My opinion and thinking at the time was that it was the same phase of play.
Basically interfeering with play and then receiving the ball.
I am happy to be corrected. ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ This. 100%. He has come from an offside position and received the ball. Doesn't matter at all whether he is now onside.I It's the same phase of play. Which was what I said at the outset. He's offside!  Don't see how phases are coming into this, he was either onside or offside at the point Bojan passed it to him. Prior to that pass the last town player to have the ball was Thomas himself having a shot, so he can't have been offside and interfering with play or the flag would have gone up when he received the ball and had a shot. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 5, 2024 15:42:02 GMT 1
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ This. 100%. He has come from an offside position and received the ball. Doesn't matter at all whether he is now onside.I It's the same phase of play. Which was what I said at the outset. He's offside! Don't see how phases are coming into this, he was either onside or offside at the point Bojan passed it to him. Prior to that pass the last town player to have the ball was Thomas himself having a shot, so he can't have been offside and interfering with play or the flag would have gone up when he received the ball and had a shot. Fine. OK. I'm out. |
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Post by blueandbrightside on Feb 5, 2024 15:45:12 GMT 1
Don't see how phases are coming into this, he was either onside or offside at the point Bojan passed it to him. Prior to that pass the last town player to have the ball was Thomas himself having a shot, so he can't have been offside and interfering with play or the flag would have gone up when he received the ball and had a shot. Fine. OK. I'm out. Why? You posted, I replied (I though politely). If that not the point of the board? If what I asked is incorrect and you know otherwise then explain to me. Thanks |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 5, 2024 16:06:47 GMT 1
Fine. OK. I'm out. Why? You posted, I replied (I though politely). If that not the point of the board? If what I asked is incorrect and you know otherwise then explain to me. Thanks You need to read the whole thread, not just my previous post. I have explained in great detail as to why it was offside beginning at the third post in the thread. I am not saying that you were impolite, or that you aren't allowed to post - of course I'm not; I'm now just fed-up of trying every which way to explain why Thomas was given offside. Your post was just another suggestion that I had explained away previously. People have asked why; I have explained why. I've done my best. Anyway, I'll now leave this thread alone. I'll look at other things. |
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Offside?
Feb 5, 2024 16:07:34 GMT 1
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 5, 2024 16:07:34 GMT 1
Someone explain why this was offside and the crowd and players didn’t go crazy, it seems so clearly NOT offside to me I can’t even understand what mistake the lino makes… When the first ball is played in, Thomas is outside the area and there are defenders inside it. Bojan is well outside of the six yard box when Thomas shoots and there’s three defenders and a keeper clearly closer to the goal line. Then Bojan kicks the ball CLEARLY in the direction of our goal, ie, not forward, for Sorba. And then the lino flags. Have I missed a rule change ? We laughed at the time, apparently Sorba was still offside from Plymouth at home. Once you are in a potentially offside position you can never get back on side until a free kick is given against you. Cant be any other rule change but that??? Shit lino, springs to the fore...🙄 |
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Post by blueandbrightside on Feb 5, 2024 16:15:11 GMT 1
Why? You posted, I replied (I though politely). If that not the point of the board? If what I asked is incorrect and you know otherwise then explain to me. Thanks You need to read the whole thread, not just my previous post. I have explained in great detail as to why it was offside beginning at the third post in the thread. I am not saying that you were impolite, or that you aren't allowed to post - of course I'm not; I'm now just fed-up of trying every which way to explain why Thomas was given offside. Your post was just another suggestion that I had explained away previously. People have asked why; I have explained why. I've done my best. Anyway, I'll now leave this thread alone. I'll look at other things. I had read the whole thread. For clarity, I'm not saying he was onside by the way. Just that talking about phases in this case doesn't apply, it's just a simple case of where he was at the point the pass was made. The linesman thought he was behind the defender so he's flagged. Simple as that. |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 5, 2024 16:43:52 GMT 1
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ This. 100%. He has come from an offside position and received the ball. Doesn't matter at all whether he is now onside.I It's the same phase of play. Which was what I said at the outset. He's offside! Don't see how phases are coming into this, he was either onside or offside at the point Bojan passed it to him. Prior to that pass the last town player to have the ball was Thomas himself having a shot, so he can't have been offside and interfering with play or the flag would have gone up when he received the ball and had a shot. Thomas and the shot is irrelevant. That is a different phase of play. As soon as he shoots and the keeper saves it, a new phase begins. The start of that phase, bojan has the ball, Thomas is in an offside position. Because Thomas is then the next reciever, it is offside. |
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Post by mosher on Feb 5, 2024 17:00:06 GMT 1
This is one reason I think all that "phases" stuff is bullshit.
Go back to basics.
If you're offside WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED then you're offside.
And cancel the interfering with play stuff too. As the saying goes "If you're not interfering with play then why are you on the pitch?"
The only caveat/exception I'd have is if a player is down injured then rule them out of the whole equation entirely.
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Post by blueandbrightside on Feb 5, 2024 17:23:44 GMT 1
Don't see how phases are coming into this, he was either onside or offside at the point Bojan passed it to him. Prior to that pass the last town player to have the ball was Thomas himself having a shot, so he can't have been offside and interfering with play or the flag would have gone up when he received the ball and had a shot. Thomas and the shot is irrelevant. That is a different phase of play. As soon as he shoots and the keeper saves it, a new phase begins. The start of that phase, bojan has the ball, Thomas is in an offside position. Because Thomas is then the next reciever, it is offside. Agree, think we are saying pretty much the same thing. I didn't agree where you mentioned interfering with play though as that inferred he was already offside from an earlier phase of the move, which he clearly wasn't and if Thomas had managed another stride back up the pitch he'd have been fine. |
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Post by blueandbrightside on Feb 5, 2024 17:27:42 GMT 1
This is one reason I think all that "phases" stuff is bullshit. Go back to basics. If you're offside WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED then you're offside. And cancel the interfering with play stuff too. As the saying goes "If you're not interfering with play then why are you on the pitch?" The only caveat/exception I'd have is if a player is down injured then rule them out of the whole equation entirely. This drives me mad - strikers standing offside, waiting for the play to pass them and then joining in the same move and it being called another phase. Especially when it's a free kick or they wait till a defender HAS to control the ball as they are there and then go and tackle them. How are they not gaining an advantage? Let them wait till it's cleared well up the pitch, then they can be active again. |
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Offside?
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Post by impact on Feb 5, 2024 20:05:16 GMT 1
Offside is taken from the moment the ball is passed to you. Yes he was in an offside position before that, but IMO by the moment Bojan passes the ball to him, he has run back onside. I just love how offside is interpreted "IMO" on this site. Sorry, but it's absolutes. Not how you interpret the rules. Not what the rules where when you were at school. It's all there in Law 11. I think you've missed what he's saying. He thought Sorba was onside when the ball was passed, I think he's off but it's very close from a poor angle. He isn't saying because he ran back onside before touching the ball that he's onside, he's saying he believes Sorba ran back onside before the ball was passed to him and would therefore be onside. |
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Post by kyg on Feb 6, 2024 15:28:21 GMT 1
This is one reason I think all that "phases" stuff is bullshit. Go back to basics. If you're offside WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED then you're offside. And cancel the interfering with play stuff too. As the saying goes "If you're not interfering with play then why are you on the pitch?" The only caveat/exception I'd have is if a player is down injured then rule them out of the whole equation entirely. This drives me mad - strikers standing offside, waiting for the play to pass them and then joining in the same move and it being called another phase. Especially when it's a free kick or they wait till a defender HAS to control the ball as they are there and then go and tackle them. How are they not gaining an advantage? Let them wait till it's cleared well up the pitch, then they can be active again. I agree they have made it unnecessarily complicated compared to how it used to be. Think it was intentional so nobody understand it now. |
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