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Post by townarentbest on Feb 4, 2024 17:08:42 GMT 1
Someone explain why this was offside and the crowd and players didn’t go crazy, it seems so clearly NOT offside to me I can’t even understand what mistake the lino makes…
When the first ball is played in, Thomas is outside the area and there are defenders inside it.
Bojan is well outside of the six yard box when Thomas shoots and there’s three defenders and a keeper clearly closer to the goal line.
Then Bojan kicks the ball CLEARLY in the direction of our goal, ie, not forward, for Sorba.
And then the lino flags. Have I missed a rule change ?
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Feb 4, 2024 17:10:05 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 17:10:05 GMT 1
Someone explain why this was offside and the crowd and players didn’t go crazy, it seems so clearly NOT offside to me I can’t even understand what mistake the lino makes… When the first ball is played in, Thomas is outside the area and there are defenders inside it. Bojan is well outside of the six yard box when Thomas shoots and there’s three defenders and a keeper clearly closer to the goal line. Then Bojan kicks the ball CLEARLY in the direction of our goal, ie, not forward, for Sorba. And then the lino flags. Have I missed a rule change ? No, it was a strange decision. Not a game changer though luckily. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 4, 2024 17:13:11 GMT 1
Thomas has come from an offside position to receive the ball.
It's not difficult.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 4, 2024 17:18:54 GMT 1
Thomas has come from an offside position to receive the ball. It's not difficult. He did..but by the time the ball was passed to him he was back onside IMO. Their defender the other side of the keeper is playing him on. |
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Post by crux on Feb 4, 2024 17:19:35 GMT 1
You CAN be offside if the ball is passed backwards, if as Sorba did, you come back from an offside position.
It's a myth that you can't be offside if the ball is passed backwards.
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Feb 4, 2024 17:26:22 GMT 1
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Post by impact on Feb 4, 2024 17:26:22 GMT 1
Thomas has come from an offside position to receive the ball. It's not difficult. He did..but by the time the ball was passed to him he was back onside IMO. Their defender the other side of the keeper is playing him on. I think he is still offside when it's kicked but it's close. Definitely not a shocker like the OP claimed. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 4, 2024 17:26:37 GMT 1
Thomas has come from an offside position to receive the ball. It's not difficult. He did..but by the time the ball was passed to him he was back onside IMO. Their defender the other side of the keeper is playing him on. Doesn't work like that, Cap'n. He has come from an offside position at the time Bojan had the ball and he then receives it. Offside every single time. We've had numerous decisions where the fans are up in arms when an offside is given - even in our own half! - but it's because a player has come from an offside position to receive the ball. It's the correct decision. |
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Post by kyg on Feb 4, 2024 17:27:39 GMT 1
You CAN be offside if the ball is passed backwards, if as Sorba did, you come back from an offside position. It's a myth that you can't be offside if the ball is passed backwards. You are correct, it is possible to be offside if the ball is passed backwards because it's your position relative to the ball then it is passed not when it is received that matters. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 4, 2024 17:30:42 GMT 1
He did..but by the time the ball was passed to him he was back onside IMO. Their defender the other side of the keeper is playing him on. Doesn't work like that, Cap'n. He has come from an offside position at the time Bojan had the ball and he then receives it. Offside every single time. We've had numerous decisions where the fans are up in arms when an offside is given - even in our own half! - but it's because a player has come from an offside position to receive the ball. It's the correct decision. Offside is taken from the moment the ball is passed to you. Yes he was in an offside position before that, but IMO by the moment Bojan passes the ball to him, he has run back onside. |
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Post by softboy on Feb 4, 2024 17:31:41 GMT 1
If only there was VAR. would have cleared things up quickly and efficiently!!
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Feb 4, 2024 17:33:46 GMT 1
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Post by rockwall on Feb 4, 2024 17:33:46 GMT 1
I would spin and say how is it NOT offside. Sorba ran back onto the pitch and recieves the ball coming from an offside position.
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Post by pterrier on Feb 4, 2024 17:38:49 GMT 1
It was incredible how many fans don’t seem to know the offside rule, all I kept hearing was ‘he’s passed it backwards’. You’d think blokes in their 40s would know the rules by now! (Saying that when the blokes in the VAR rooms are clueless as well, where’s the hope?!)
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Feb 4, 2024 17:41:38 GMT 1
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Post by Essex Terrier on Feb 4, 2024 17:41:38 GMT 1
Yup, we said so at the time.
Ridiculous.
*insert Harry Potter GIF*
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Post by Essex Terrier on Feb 4, 2024 17:44:30 GMT 1
BTW, isn't there also a rule about not leaving the field of play without permission?
Bit like the foul throw-in rule, ignored at every game now.
Us old nit-picking blokes are salivating now!🤣🤣
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Feb 4, 2024 18:13:18 GMT 1
Doesn't work like that, Cap'n. He has come from an offside position at the time Bojan had the ball and he then receives it. Offside every single time. We've had numerous decisions where the fans are up in arms when an offside is given - even in our own half! - but it's because a player has come from an offside position to receive the ball. It's the correct decision. Offside is taken from the moment the ball is passed to you. Yes he was in an offside position before that, but IMO by the moment Bojan passes the ball to him, he has run back onside. This is the moment at which the ball is played. It's a tight call but it looks like Thomas is still offside  |
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Post by stevvy on Feb 4, 2024 19:13:38 GMT 1
It was incredible how many fans don’t seem to know the offside rule, all I kept hearing was ‘he’s passed it backwards’. You’d think blokes in their 40s would know the rules by now! (Saying that when the blokes in the VAR rooms are clueless as well, where’s the hope?!) To be fair, being honest, how often do you see a player given offside when the ball goes backwards? First time I've seen it in ages |
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Post by utttrooper on Feb 4, 2024 21:55:26 GMT 1
Offside is taken from the moment the ball is passed to you. Yes he was in an offside position before that, but IMO by the moment Bojan passes the ball to him, he has run back onside. This is the moment at which the ball is played. It's a tight call but it looks like Thomas is still offside At the time I didn't think it was offside but i haven't seen a good angle that image looks like he was offside. I can't really get annoyed at it because it didn't affect the result, similar to the Burgzorg tackle that despite being a horror challenge on the end it didn't affect us. |
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Post by royalflush on Feb 5, 2024 0:09:14 GMT 1
This is the moment at which the ball is played. It's a tight call but it looks like Thomas is still offside At the time I didn't think it was offside but i haven't seen a good angle that image looks like he was offside. I can't really get annoyed at it because it didn't affect the result, similar to the Burgzorg tackle that despite being a horror challenge on the end it didn't affect us. Bad example. We might have beaten Blackburn but that assault has put Burgzorg out for 2-3 months and has most definitely affected us |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 5, 2024 0:12:59 GMT 1
It was incredible how many fans don’t seem to know the offside rule, all I kept hearing was ‘he’s passed it backwards’. You’d think blokes in their 40s would know the rules by now! (Saying that when the blokes in the VAR rooms are clueless as well, where’s the hope?!) To be fair, being honest, how often do you see a player given offside when the ball goes backwards? First time I've seen it in ages You don't, if it is given the man is offside in the first place, nowt to do with the direction of travel of the ball |
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Post by utttrooper on Feb 5, 2024 0:18:17 GMT 1
At the time I didn't think it was offside but i haven't seen a good angle that image looks like he was offside. I can't really get annoyed at it because it didn't affect the result, similar to the Burgzorg tackle that despite being a horror challenge on the end it didn't affect us. Bad example. We might have beaten Blackburn but that assault has put Burgzorg out for 2-3 months and has most definitely affected us I know he's badly injured him but in the grand scheme of things he wouldn't be any less injured if it was a red card or not. It was 100% a red but didn't affect the result negatively just like the offside. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 5, 2024 0:22:21 GMT 1
Offside is taken from the moment the ball is passed to you. Yes he was in an offside position before that, but IMO by the moment Bojan passes the ball to him, he has run back onside. This is the moment at which the ball is played. It's a tight call but it looks like Thomas is still offside Bit blurry but on that he looks just offside. Thing is one frame further on and he'd look onside. Key is capturing the exact moment the ball leaves Bojans boot..cant really tell if that one has it. |
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 5, 2024 2:06:13 GMT 1
Offside is taken from the moment the ball is passed to you. Yes he was in an offside position before that, but IMO by the moment Bojan passes the ball to him, he has run back onside. This is the moment at which the ball is played. It's a tight call but it looks like Thomas is still offside Cheers, thanks for pointing this out without being an arse, that makes sense 👍 |
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Post by calken on Feb 5, 2024 12:28:31 GMT 1
 Looks clearly onside to me, looking at the intersection between the blue and red line. Please don't laugh at my artistic skill! |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 5, 2024 12:38:08 GMT 1
Looks clearly onside to me, looking at the intersection between the blue and red line. Please don't laugh at my artistic skill! Is that someone using a James Bond style laser to cut through the legs of the Wed defence? |
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Post by detox on Feb 5, 2024 12:59:37 GMT 1
Looks clearly onside to me, looking at the intersection between the blue and red line. Please don't laugh at my artistic skill! I'm not sure you've got your lines in the right place...the red lines should be 'graded' and not parallel as they approach the touchline to allow for the distance.. but to me the 2nd line intersecting the touchline is more than 6 yards from the corner flag |
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Post by calken on Feb 5, 2024 13:14:50 GMT 1
Looks clearly onside to me, looking at the intersection between the blue and red line. Please don't laugh at my artistic skill! I'm not sure you've got your lines in the right place...the red lines should be 'graded' and not parallel as they approach the touchline to allow for the distance.. but to me the 2nd line intersecting the touchline is more than 6 yards from the corner flag It is graded, I used a rule to measure on screen to get the line in perspective as best possible. I drew the line on the 6 yard line so I had something to measure against. It's far from perfect, but even with a generous margin for error, Thomas looks onside to me. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Feb 5, 2024 13:40:40 GMT 1
Doesn't work like that, Cap'n. He has come from an offside position at the time Bojan had the ball and he then receives it. Offside every single time. We've had numerous decisions where the fans are up in arms when an offside is given - even in our own half! - but it's because a player has come from an offside position to receive the ball. It's the correct decision. Offside is taken from the moment the ball is passed to you. Yes he was in an offside position before that, but IMO by the moment Bojan passes the ball to him, he has run back onside. I'd like someone to reply to Captain's post (possibly Bassingham Terrier or rockwall). My understanding would be the same as the Captain's but other posts suggest that would be irrelevant (technically ST was in an offside position whilst BR dribbled/touched the ball). Clearly the ball being passed backwards is a red herring (although you can't be offside if you're behind the ball) but I would have thought the Captain's comment was correct. PS Of course assuming he was onside at the moment the ball was passed which isn't clear-cut |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 5, 2024 13:46:54 GMT 1
Offside is taken from the moment the ball is passed to you. Yes he was in an offside position before that, but IMO by the moment Bojan passes the ball to him, he has run back onside. I'd like someone to reply to Captain's post (possibly Bassingham Terrier or rockwall). My understanding would be the same as the Captain's but other posts suggest that would be irrelevant (technically ST was in an offside position whilst BR dribbled/touched the ball). Clearly the ball being passed backwards is a red herring (although you can't be offside if you're behind the ball) but I would have thought the Captain's comment was correct. PS Off course assuming he was onside at the moment the ball was passed which isn't clear-cut My opinion and thinking at the time was that it was the same phase of play. Basically interfeering with play and then receiving the ball. I am happy to be corrected. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 5, 2024 14:29:12 GMT 1
I'd like someone to reply to Captain's post (possibly Bassingham Terrier or rockwall ). My understanding would be the same as the Captain's but other posts suggest that would be irrelevant (technically ST was in an offside position whilst BR dribbled/touched the ball). Clearly the ball being passed backwards is a red herring (although you can't be offside if you're behind the ball) but I would have thought the Captain's comment was correct. PS Off course assuming he was onside at the moment the ball was passed which isn't clear-cut
Basically interfeering with play and then receiving the ball.
I am happy to be corrected.^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ This. 100%. He has come from an offside position and received the ball. Doesn't matter at all whether he is now onside.I It's the same phase of play. Which was what I said at the outset. He's offside!  |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 5, 2024 14:30:46 GMT 1
Offside is taken from the moment the ball is passed to you. Yes he was in an offside position before that, but IMO by the moment Bojan passes the ball to him, he has run back onside. I'd like someone to reply to Captain's post (possibly Bassingham Terrier or rockwall ). My understanding would be the same as the Captain's but other posts suggest that would be irrelevant (technically ST was in an offside position whilst BR dribbled/touched the ball). Clearly the ball being passed backwards is a red herring (although you can't be offside if you're behind the ball) but I would have thought the Captain's comment was correct. PS Of course assuming he was onside at the moment the ball was passed which isn't clear-cut Yes!!!  And the moment that he comes and receives the ball the liner has to flag. |
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