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Post by htafcokay on Feb 10, 2024 20:01:46 GMT 1
Ok. It was a sensible question, but if you don’t want to play ball… You get enough stick on here, despite your dedicated ‘work’ on the club’s heritage (amongst other things), I was genuinely interested on your thoughts. I've been really impressed with the work Steve Evans has done at Stevenage. To take them from relegation trouble in League Two to play-off candidates in League One is impressive. Pete Wild is another one, I watched his Halifax side a few times and thought he did a good job there, they fell at the final hurdle in the play-offs. He's done a good job at Barrow too. Michael Duff, much maligned on here for some reason, but he did a good job at Barnsley and I felt they were unlucky in the final last year. Yeah, wasn't great at Swansea, but he wasn't atrocious. Paul Heckingbottom also much maligned, despite taking a side to the Premier League less than 12 months ago. He's had a decent enough managerial career and I like he's straight talking approach. Paul Warne is another one, I'd have had him here a couple of years back when he managed Rotherham. Felt he did well there but just couldn't quite keep them up, although other managers have had the same trouble. Then short term options such as Gary Rowett, Nigel Pearson and maybe even Mick McCarthy wouldn't be disasters, just to have the short term objective of keeping us up and a nice bonus at the end of it. I certainly wouldn't entertain any of those three long term. McCarthy did a very good job at Cardiff a couple of seasons back keeping them up, but fell short at Blackpool obviously. Pearson is also a steady pair of hands. I'd actually like to see Steve Cooper here, as he's a decent manager, but I doubt we'd attract someone of thar calibre. I personally think that everyone I've mentioned is a better option than Jon Worthington. |
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Post by Jello Biafra on Feb 10, 2024 20:08:32 GMT 1
Ok. It was a sensible question, but if you don’t want to play ball… You get enough stick on here, despite your dedicated ‘work’ on the club’s heritage (amongst other things), I was genuinely interested on your thoughts. I've been really impressed with the work Steve Evans has done at Stevenage. To take them from relegation trouble in League Two to play-off candidates in League One is impressive. Pete Wild is another one, I watched his Halifax side a few times and thought he did a good job there, they fell at the final hurdle in the play-offs. He's done a good job at Barrow too. Michael Duff, much maligned on here for some reason, but he did a good job at Barnsley and I felt they were unlucky in the final last year. Yeah, wasn't great at Swansea, but he wasn't atrocious. Paul Heckingbottom also much maligned, despite taking a side to the Premier League less than 12 months ago. He's had a decent enough managerial career and I like he's straight talking approach. Paul Warne is another one, I'd have had him here a couple of years back when he managed Rotherham. Felt he did well there but just couldn't quite keep them up, although other managers have had the same trouble. Then short term options such as Gary Rowett, Nigel Pearson and maybe even Mick McCarthy wouldn't be disasters, just to have the short term objective of keeping us up and a nice bonus at the end of it. I certainly wouldn't entertain any of those three long term. McCarthy did a very good job at Cardiff a couple of seasons back keeping them up, but fell short at Blackpool obviously. Pearson is also a steady pair of hands. I'd actually like to see Steve Cooper here, as he's a decent manager, but I doubt we'd attract someone of thar calibre. I personally think that everyone I've mentioned is a better option than Jon Worthington. That’s exactly the type of considered and informed response that I was hoping for, so thanks. As it happens, Cooper would be my first choice too. I see no reason why Town wouldn’t be an attractive proposition to him, as long as he’s happy with the support that’s on offer from Nagle. |
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Feb 10, 2024 20:10:55 GMT 1
Ok. It was a sensible question, but if you don’t want to play ball… You get enough stick on here, despite your dedicated ‘work’ on the club’s heritage (amongst other things), I was genuinely interested on your thoughts. I've been really impressed with the work Steve Evans has done at Stevenage. To take them from relegation trouble in League Two to play-off candidates in League One is impressive. Pete Wild is another one, I watched his Halifax side a few times and thought he did a good job there, they fell at the final hurdle in the play-offs. He's done a good job at Barrow too. Michael Duff, much maligned on here for some reason, but he did a good job at Barnsley and I felt they were unlucky in the final last year. Yeah, wasn't great at Swansea, but he wasn't atrocious. Paul Heckingbottom also much maligned, despite taking a side to the Premier League less than 12 months ago. He's had a decent enough managerial career and I like he's straight talking approach. Paul Warne is another one, I'd have had him here a couple of years back when he managed Rotherham. Felt he did well there but just couldn't quite keep them up, although other managers have had the same trouble. Then short term options such as Gary Rowett, Nigel Pearson and maybe even Mick McCarthy wouldn't be disasters, just to have the short term objective of keeping us up and a nice bonus at the end of it. I certainly wouldn't entertain any of those three long term. McCarthy did a very good job at Cardiff a couple of seasons back keeping them up, but fell short at Blackpool obviously. Pearson is also a steady pair of hands. I'd actually like to see Steve Cooper here, as he's a decent manager, but I doubt we'd attract someone of thar calibre. I personally think that everyone I've mentioned is a better option than Jon Worthington.Maybe, technically, experience wise, resume wise. Absolutely yes. There is names on there I wouldn't be happy about and there is some that I would be happy and pleasantly surprised about, Cooper being one of them. What we are missing here though. Is every name that is mentioned DOES NOT have the relationship, the trust yet of the players. That takes time. Something we currently do not have. I don't whatsoever think the JW is our answer to full time gaffer, and ultimately it'd be a risk giving it him until end of season. HOWEVER, you cannot replace the togetherness, the passion, the trust and the relationship he has with the players, which in turn might be EXACTLY what we need right now. Whereas NW had that sprinkle of NW things, that bring people closer, fighting and believing again. JW doesn't have that, but what he does have is something that is close to that with the above I've mentioned. |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 10, 2024 20:13:57 GMT 1
I've been really impressed with the work Steve Evans has done at Stevenage. To take them from relegation trouble in League Two to play-off candidates in League One is impressive. Pete Wild is another one, I watched his Halifax side a few times and thought he did a good job there, they fell at the final hurdle in the play-offs. He's done a good job at Barrow too. Michael Duff, much maligned on here for some reason, but he did a good job at Barnsley and I felt they were unlucky in the final last year. Yeah, wasn't great at Swansea, but he wasn't atrocious. Paul Heckingbottom also much maligned, despite taking a side to the Premier League less than 12 months ago. He's had a decent enough managerial career and I like he's straight talking approach. Paul Warne is another one, I'd have had him here a couple of years back when he managed Rotherham. Felt he did well there but just couldn't quite keep them up, although other managers have had the same trouble. Then short term options such as Gary Rowett, Nigel Pearson and maybe even Mick McCarthy wouldn't be disasters, just to have the short term objective of keeping us up and a nice bonus at the end of it. I certainly wouldn't entertain any of those three long term. McCarthy did a very good job at Cardiff a couple of seasons back keeping them up, but fell short at Blackpool obviously. Pearson is also a steady pair of hands. I'd actually like to see Steve Cooper here, as he's a decent manager, but I doubt we'd attract someone of thar calibre. I personally think that everyone I've mentioned is a better option than Jon Worthington. That’s exactly the type of considered and informed response that I was hoping for, so thanks. As it happens, Cooper would be my first choice too. I see no reason why Town wouldn’t be an attractive proposition to him, as long as he’s happy with the support that’s on offer from Nagle. Personally, I think he'll be holding out for a Premier League job. |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 10, 2024 20:16:58 GMT 1
I've been really impressed with the work Steve Evans has done at Stevenage. To take them from relegation trouble in League Two to play-off candidates in League One is impressive. Pete Wild is another one, I watched his Halifax side a few times and thought he did a good job there, they fell at the final hurdle in the play-offs. He's done a good job at Barrow too. Michael Duff, much maligned on here for some reason, but he did a good job at Barnsley and I felt they were unlucky in the final last year. Yeah, wasn't great at Swansea, but he wasn't atrocious. Paul Heckingbottom also much maligned, despite taking a side to the Premier League less than 12 months ago. He's had a decent enough managerial career and I like he's straight talking approach. Paul Warne is another one, I'd have had him here a couple of years back when he managed Rotherham. Felt he did well there but just couldn't quite keep them up, although other managers have had the same trouble. Then short term options such as Gary Rowett, Nigel Pearson and maybe even Mick McCarthy wouldn't be disasters, just to have the short term objective of keeping us up and a nice bonus at the end of it. I certainly wouldn't entertain any of those three long term. McCarthy did a very good job at Cardiff a couple of seasons back keeping them up, but fell short at Blackpool obviously. Pearson is also a steady pair of hands. I'd actually like to see Steve Cooper here, as he's a decent manager, but I doubt we'd attract someone of thar calibre. I personally think that everyone I've mentioned is a better option than Jon Worthington.Maybe, technically, experience wise, resume wise. Absolutely yes. There is names on there I wouldn't be happy about and there is some that I would be happy and pleasantly surprised about, Cooper being one of them. What we are missing here though. Is every name that is mentioned DOES NOT have the relationship, the trust yet of the players. That takes time. Something we currently do not have. I don't whatsoever think the JW is our answer to full time gaffer, and ultimately it'd be a risk giving it him until end of season. HOWEVER, you cannot replace the togetherness, the passion, the trust and the relationship he has with the players, which in turn might be EXACTLY what we need right now. Whereas NW had that sprinkle of NW things, that bring people closer, fighting and believing again. JW doesn't have that, but what he does have is something that is close to that with the above I've mentioned. Have you ever thought that the players are just playing with a bit of freedom now, having had the shackles removed? I don't want us to fall into the Steve Smith trap, where because Worthington has got a couple of good performances he gets the job, only for us to be sacking him/or he resigns after a few months. There's no pressure on Worthington right now, and we've seen it before with the likes of Mark Lillis and Gerry Murohy, but eventually it peters out, under Lillis especially. I think a lot of fans are letting their hearts rule their heads here. |
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Post by softboy on Feb 10, 2024 20:17:01 GMT 1
Absolutely not!!!!!
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Post by kayeb222 on Feb 10, 2024 20:18:06 GMT 1
I've been really impressed with the work Steve Evans has done at Stevenage. To take them from relegation trouble in League Two to play-off candidates in League One is impressive. Pete Wild is another one, I watched his Halifax side a few times and thought he did a good job there, they fell at the final hurdle in the play-offs. He's done a good job at Barrow too. Michael Duff, much maligned on here for some reason, but he did a good job at Barnsley and I felt they were unlucky in the final last year. Yeah, wasn't great at Swansea, but he wasn't atrocious. Paul Heckingbottom also much maligned, despite taking a side to the Premier League less than 12 months ago. He's had a decent enough managerial career and I like he's straight talking approach. Paul Warne is another one, I'd have had him here a couple of years back when he managed Rotherham. Felt he did well there but just couldn't quite keep them up, although other managers have had the same trouble. Then short term options such as Gary Rowett, Nigel Pearson and maybe even Mick McCarthy wouldn't be disasters, just to have the short term objective of keeping us up and a nice bonus at the end of it. I certainly wouldn't entertain any of those three long term. McCarthy did a very good job at Cardiff a couple of seasons back keeping them up, but fell short at Blackpool obviously. Pearson is also a steady pair of hands. I'd actually like to see Steve Cooper here, as he's a decent manager, but I doubt we'd attract someone of thar calibre. I personally think that everyone I've mentioned is a better option than Jon Worthington.Maybe, technically, experience wise, resume wise. Absolutely yes. There is names on there I wouldn't be happy about and there is some that I would be happy and pleasantly surprised about, Cooper being one of them. What we are missing here though. Is every name that is mentioned DOES NOT have the relationship, the trust yet of the players. That takes time. Something we currently do not have. I don't whatsoever think the JW is our answer to full time gaffer, and ultimately it'd be a risk giving it him until end of season. HOWEVER, you cannot replace the togetherness, the passion, the trust and the relationship he has with the players, which in turn might be EXACTLY what we need right now. Whereas NW had that sprinkle of NW things, that bring people closer, fighting and believing again. JW doesn't have that, but what he does have is something that is close to that with the above I've mentioned. He's definitely given the players something that was missing.i bet not many teams have scored 3 at Southampton this season. (Can't be bothered googling it!) |
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 10, 2024 20:22:22 GMT 1
We definitely could do better. Does he even have the qualification thats required? erm..... good question! He's doing better than Moore was. Does that qualify him? No. You need a UEFA A to be appointed permanent manager of a second tier team. His LinkedIn biopic only refers to UEFA B - although this may be out of date, as I'm sure its now required to lead a B team (but maybe thats why he's classed as 'Academy Manager' and they brought Kevin Russell in?). |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Feb 10, 2024 20:25:18 GMT 1
Don’t give him the managers job if it means he’ll end up leaving. Hoping he saw Schofield promoted too soon and then talented staff leave the club
You’re doing a great job JW but let’s hire experience and give JW time to develop further
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Feb 10, 2024 20:26:30 GMT 1
Maybe, technically, experience wise, resume wise. Absolutely yes. There is names on there I wouldn't be happy about and there is some that I would be happy and pleasantly surprised about, Cooper being one of them. What we are missing here though. Is every name that is mentioned DOES NOT have the relationship, the trust yet of the players. That takes time. Something we currently do not have. I don't whatsoever think the JW is our answer to full time gaffer, and ultimately it'd be a risk giving it him until end of season. HOWEVER, you cannot replace the togetherness, the passion, the trust and the relationship he has with the players, which in turn might be EXACTLY what we need right now. Whereas NW had that sprinkle of NW things, that bring people closer, fighting and believing again. JW doesn't have that, but what he does have is something that is close to that with the above I've mentioned. Have you ever thought that the players are just playing with a bit of freedom now, having had the shackles removed? I don't want us to fall into the Steve Smith trap, where because Worthington has got a couple of good performances he gets the job, only for us to be sacking him/or he resigns after a few months. There's no pressure on Worthington right now, and we've seen it before with the likes of Mark Lillis and Gerry Murohy, but eventually it peters out, under Lillis especially. I think a lot of fans are letting their hearts rule their heads here. Fair and valid points. To which I somewhat agree. 1). Freedom, yup it seems that way. Have to give JW and team credit for that too though. 2). I'm not advocating him being the manager whether thats FT or until the end of the season. I do want to provide a balanced point where something we are missing, which I do think helped last year was how NW quickly developed the siege us vs the world mentality. Something that I think JW has got naturally because of the relationship, respect and trust of the players on the short term. 3). The no pressure is what I think is helping JW and us currently. There is much speculation on who's the next manager. It would seem there is nobody thats been suggested we would all universally be happy with currently. That automatically puts pressure on the new manager, whoever that is. 4). Agreed with it petering out, I do remember those times. But, what I do think it has allowed us to do, is give ourselves dare I say it a little bit of breathing space in terms of not panicking and just rushing into the next manager appointment. there's pressure all round for that. Get it wrong, everyone will call for KN, JE, MCs etc heads. Challenging predicament because it does seem there is no right or wrong answer/solution. Just my 2 cents. |
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 10, 2024 20:37:45 GMT 1
The lad is pure class. Aside from taking the side for the rest of the season I wouldn't want to appoint him full time. It was heartbreaking enough seeing what we did to Danny Schofield. Worthy deserves much better.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 10, 2024 20:43:36 GMT 1
Why would you give it John just let him continue for a few matches more and let’s see what happens . Unless the new manager has already been picked
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Post by ben1987 on Feb 10, 2024 20:49:04 GMT 1
No, his time will come but right now isn’t that time. However when the new man comes in, having him around the first team set up on match days would be no bad thing.
What worthington is doing is showing that this squad and fans its better than 21st. It’s also showing Mark Cartwright what attacking football actually is.
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Post by goodbet on Feb 10, 2024 20:52:04 GMT 1
No, his time will come but right now isn’t that time. However when the new man comes in, having him around the first team set up on match days would be no bad thing. What worthington is doing is showing that this squad and fans its better than 21st. It’s also showing Mark Cartwright what attacking football actually is. If he doesn't want to see he won't notice. The man's a fool. |
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Post by wigster on Feb 10, 2024 20:57:10 GMT 1
His interviews are a refreshing change froM Darren Moore but a bloody awful 65 minutes against Wednesday and zero-management conceding 5 goals in a half against Southampton hardly shrieks of an answer to anything.
Good first half against Southampton and I like Worthy but surely there's better available.
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Post by harrychrishner on Feb 10, 2024 20:57:32 GMT 1
Pep Lijnders, so apart from him being Liverpool's assistant manager, what do people actually know about him? Err! He's the Liverpool assistant manager. and his name is Pep so that must be worth something! |
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Post by softboy on Feb 10, 2024 21:03:52 GMT 1
Don’t give him the managers job if it means he’ll end up leaving. Hoping he saw Schofield promoted too soon and then talented staff leave the club You’re doing a great job JW but let’s hire experience and give JW time to develop further Conceding 5 goals in 45 mins is not ‘great job’ to me. |
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Post by kayeb222 on Feb 10, 2024 21:21:07 GMT 1
Don’t give him the managers job if it means he’ll end up leaving. Hoping he saw Schofield promoted too soon and then talented staff leave the club You’re doing a great job JW but let’s hire experience and give JW time to develop further Conceding 5 goals in 45 mins is not ‘great job’ to me. Scoring 7 in 1 and a half games is pretty good though (3 of them away from home against a team 2nd in the division). |
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Post by runner76 on Feb 10, 2024 21:21:46 GMT 1
Not a chance.
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Post by King Neil on Feb 10, 2024 21:25:37 GMT 1
Don’t give him the managers job if it means he’ll end up leaving. Hoping he saw Schofield promoted too soon and then talented staff leave the club You’re doing a great job JW but let’s hire experience and give JW time to develop further Conceding 5 goals in 45 mins is not ‘great job’ to me. Yet we scored 4 second half last week! Was that OK?? |
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 10, 2024 21:51:54 GMT 1
Conceding 5 goals in 45 mins is not ‘great job’ to me. Scoring 7 in 1 and a half games is pretty good though (3 of them away from home against a team 2nd in the division). And against a team who have conceded ONE goal at home since November before we knocked three past them today. |
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Post by kayeb222 on Feb 10, 2024 21:59:36 GMT 1
Scoring 7 in 1 and a half games is pretty good though (3 of them away from home against a team 2nd in the division). And against a team who have conceded ONE goal at home since November before we knocked three past them today. Really? I didn't know that. We did even better than I originally thought then! |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Feb 10, 2024 22:52:00 GMT 1
I've noticed that there isn't a thread debating this yet (although there is a Worthington thread) so I thought I'd start one off. In the last 2 games we are playing a lot better now and apart from the second half today we're defending better and scoring more than we would usually in 6 games. We could do worse than keeping him until the end of the season. No. Next. |
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Post by ACW on Feb 10, 2024 22:56:32 GMT 1
I am sure this experience managing the first team will be very valuable to Worthington. He will learn a lot.
He's not doing a bad job, but he's not the answer at this time. He may well become a good manager at Town or elsewhere, but I think we need to be looking at someone with a bit more experience.
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Post by drewden on Feb 10, 2024 22:57:02 GMT 1
The only scenario that would make sense would be if Pep Ljinders wanted the job from July and the board deemed him the outstanding candidate. In that case I'd be happy leaving Worthy in charge for a few months til the end of the season. In reality, Ljinders probably wouldn't want this job and we've probably found a few that do.... If Ljnders did want the job it would show some significant intent, but I agree it is unlikely he does. Whatever it's a big week thus week. Klopp might give him a nudge. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Feb 10, 2024 23:27:42 GMT 1
Don’t give him the managers job if it means he’ll end up leaving. Hoping he saw Schofield promoted too soon and then talented staff leave the club You’re doing a great job JW but let’s hire experience and give JW time to develop further Conceding 5 goals in 45 mins is not ‘great job’ to me. Not “a” great job |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Feb 10, 2024 23:57:50 GMT 1
Ok. It was a sensible question, but if you don’t want to play ball… You get enough stick on here, despite your dedicated ‘work’ on the club’s heritage (amongst other things), I was genuinely interested on your thoughts. I've been really impressed with the work Steve Evans has done at Stevenage. To take them from relegation trouble in League Two to play-off candidates in League One is impressive. Pete Wild is another one, I watched his Halifax side a few times and thought he did a good job there, they fell at the final hurdle in the play-offs. He's done a good job at Barrow too. Michael Duff, much maligned on here for some reason, but he did a good job at Barnsley and I felt they were unlucky in the final last year. Yeah, wasn't great at Swansea, but he wasn't atrocious. Paul Heckingbottom also much maligned, despite taking a side to the Premier League less than 12 months ago. He's had a decent enough managerial career and I like he's straight talking approach. Paul Warne is another one, I'd have had him here a couple of years back when he managed Rotherham. Felt he did well there but just couldn't quite keep them up, although other managers have had the same trouble. Then short term options such as Gary Rowett, Nigel Pearson and maybe even Mick McCarthy wouldn't be disasters, just to have the short term objective of keeping us up and a nice bonus at the end of it. I certainly wouldn't entertain any of those three long term. McCarthy did a very good job at Cardiff a couple of seasons back keeping them up, but fell short at Blackpool obviously. Pearson is also a steady pair of hands. I'd actually like to see Steve Cooper here, as he's a decent manager, but I doubt we'd attract someone of thar calibre. I personally think that everyone I've mentioned is a better option than Jon Worthington. Cooper would be my first choice. As you say, possibly out of our scope but I’d like to think KN could sell him the dream |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 11, 2024 9:52:31 GMT 1
Huddersfield Town will play 1 5 fucking 5 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 11, 2024 9:57:30 GMT 1
Honestly don't know how, I've only just recently learnt how to make words bold in a post 🤣 How do you that? I was trying the other day! Seriously!!! Lol Can it be done on a phone ? |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 11, 2024 11:23:31 GMT 1
I've been really impressed with the work Steve Evans has done at Stevenage. To take them from relegation trouble in League Two to play-off candidates in League One is impressive. Pete Wild is another one, I watched his Halifax side a few times and thought he did a good job there, they fell at the final hurdle in the play-offs. He's done a good job at Barrow too. Michael Duff, much maligned on here for some reason, but he did a good job at Barnsley and I felt they were unlucky in the final last year. Yeah, wasn't great at Swansea, but he wasn't atrocious. Paul Heckingbottom also much maligned, despite taking a side to the Premier League less than 12 months ago. He's had a decent enough managerial career and I like he's straight talking approach. Paul Warne is another one, I'd have had him here a couple of years back when he managed Rotherham. Felt he did well there but just couldn't quite keep them up, although other managers have had the same trouble. Then short term options such as Gary Rowett, Nigel Pearson and maybe even Mick McCarthy wouldn't be disasters, just to have the short term objective of keeping us up and a nice bonus at the end of it. I certainly wouldn't entertain any of those three long term. McCarthy did a very good job at Cardiff a couple of seasons back keeping them up, but fell short at Blackpool obviously. Pearson is also a steady pair of hands. I'd actually like to see Steve Cooper here, as he's a decent manager, but I doubt we'd attract someone of thar calibre. I personally think that everyone I've mentioned is a better option than Jon Worthington.Maybe, technically, experience wise, resume wise. Absolutely yes. There is names on there I wouldn't be happy about and there is some that I would be happy and pleasantly surprised about, Cooper being one of them. What we are missing here though. Is every name that is mentioned DOES NOT have the relationship, the trust yet of the players. That takes time. Something we currently do not have. I don't whatsoever think the JW is our answer to full time gaffer, and ultimately it'd be a risk giving it him until end of season. HOWEVER, you cannot replace the togetherness, the passion, the trust and the relationship he has with the players, which in turn might be EXACTLY what we need right now. Whereas NW had that sprinkle of NW things, that bring people closer, fighting and believing again. JW doesn't have that, but what he does have is something that is close to that with the above I've mentioned. So use him as a big part of the coaching staff during the transition and when the players get to know, and hopefully respect, the new coaches he can drop back to the Academy 🤷 |
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