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Post by dewsburyborn on May 10, 2024 13:01:52 GMT 1
TBH, we're being told what they ready for us to know. There may be no waiting around - it may have all been settled one way or another days ago. Did someone allude to him being on a 7 figure salary for the Championship and KN saying there was no relegation reduction - I doubt AB has ever seen that kind of money in his career .... so unless there's some kind of a tie in that he can't leave mid-season or he can with absolutely zero - he'd be nuts not to give it a go , CV or ego or whatever If there is no release cause for a manager that comes in when we are 5 points clear of relegation and we end up going down 5 points adrift of safety (with a ppg of 0.8!!!!) then we deserve all the misery (financial or on the field) that will inevitably come our way from that decision.
There's absolutely no way we don't a clause that allows us to bin him off after he took us down.If we don't have that then it's very worrying times ahead under this ownership. Alarm bells. tbh - I'd meant a release clause that prohibits him from walking away mid-season with a pay-off - not us being unable to bin him if his performance was below whatever targets |
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Post by htafcokay on May 10, 2024 13:02:27 GMT 1
By his own admission this team should have stayed up. He has accepted he has made mistakes but also said that there are some serious problems at the club. I think he has been honest and its not news to most just confirmation of what many already suspected. We have a better understanding of the size of the problem than we had last year or even in January thanks to AB so hopefully in a better position to fix the problems. Next year should be better than it was going to be because of AB. As a comparison, Danny Rohl got 13 points from his first 13 games in charge and many forums think he is one of the mangers of the season. AB got 11 points from his first 13 or 13 points if we have a different referee in Bristol. Marti Cifuentes at qpr got 10 points from his 13 games. AB said he should have dealt with some situations sooner, an option these other managers had to improve their teams form. We ran out of time. Next season will be better regardless who is in charge I think a full reset should include a new coach..get some of the players he wants and a full pre season and try and hit the ground running AB,s name is tarnished amongst a lot of the supporters and Mark my words..if we aren't in the top 4 after 5 games then it will get very toxic inside the jss and people will want his head to roll A new manager starts at ground zero AB starts at game 14 How did King Neil get on in his first 13 games in 1993? |
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Post by King Neil on May 10, 2024 13:11:11 GMT 1
Next season will be better regardless who is in charge I think a full reset should include a new coach..get some of the players he wants and a full pre season and try and hit the ground running AB,s name is tarnished amongst a lot of the supporters and Mark my words..if we aren't in the top 4 after 5 games then it will get very toxic inside the jss and people will want his head to roll A new manager starts at ground zero AB starts at game 14 How did King Neil get on in his first 13 games in 1993? Bring king neil into it...David wagner and carlos corberan One big difference...none of the others got us Relegated!!! 13 games to go and your 5 points clear of the drop..just won 2 out of the last 4 games Then AB turns up and digs us Into a hole and wins only 2 out of 13 games...and then blames Neil's warnocks pre season You couldn't make it up!!!...he,s spineless Jw 2 wins in 4 King Neil only took the first 7 league games and got 2 win 2 draws and 3 defeats Real life facts...not just what you would like it to be like! Nw,s fault my arse |
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Post by htafcokay on May 10, 2024 13:12:18 GMT 1
How did King Neil get on in his first 13 games in 1993? Bring king neil into it...David wagner and carlos corberan One big difference...none of the others got us Relegated!!! 13 games to go and your 5 points clear of the drop..just won 2 out of the last 4 games Then AB turns up and digs us Into a hole and wins only 2 out of 13 games...and then blames Neil's warnocks pre season You couldn't make it up!!!...he,s spineless Jw 2 wins in 4 King Neil only took the first 7 league games and got 2 win 2 draws and 3 defeats Real life facts...not just what you would like it to be like! Nw,s fault my arse Waffle waffle waffle. How did King Neil get on in his first 13 games in 1993? |
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Post by boooothy on May 10, 2024 13:12:44 GMT 1
Next season will be better regardless who is in charge I think a full reset should include a new coach..get some of the players he wants and a full pre season and try and hit the ground running AB,s name is tarnished amongst a lot of the supporters and Mark my words..if we aren't in the top 4 after 5 games then it will get very toxic inside the jss and people will want his head to roll A new manager starts at ground zero AB starts at game 14 How did King Neil get on in his first 13 games in 1993? I hated Warnock back then, ripped every bit of flair out of the team. He proved me very wrong. |
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Post by andyboothscat on May 10, 2024 13:14:31 GMT 1
This thread is starting to remind me of getting turned by lasses in Visage in the 90s and then saying 'I didnt fancy you anyway love"  |
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Post by htafcokay on May 10, 2024 13:14:34 GMT 1
How did King Neil get on in his first 13 games in 1993? I hated Warnock back then, ripped every bit of flair out of the team. He proved me very wrong. Warnock won three of his first 13 league games. Or five in his first 20. It was only the Autoglass Trophy run that saved his job here as he was deeply unpopular until then, which all gets forgotten now. If Warnock had been chopped after his very disappointing start, perhaps there wouldn't have been the two Wembley appearances or the promotion, and the whole history would have been different. Makes you think. |
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Post by goodbet on May 10, 2024 13:15:50 GMT 1
How did King Neil get on in his first 13 games in 1993? I hated Warnock back then, ripped every bit of flair out of the team. He proved me very wrong. I remember that. Just as well we didn't have any this time round. |
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Post by King Neil on May 10, 2024 13:15:51 GMT 1
Bring king neil into it...David wagner and carlos corberan One big difference...none of the others got us Relegated!!! 13 games to go and your 5 points clear of the drop..just won 2 out of the last 4 games Then AB turns up and digs us Into a hole and wins only 2 out of 13 games...and then blames Neil's warnocks pre season You couldn't make it up!!!...he,s spineless Jw 2 wins in 4 King Neil only took the first 7 league games and got 2 win 2 draws and 3 defeats Real life facts...not just what you would like it to be like! Nw,s fault my arse Waffle waffle waffle. How did King Neil get on in his first 13 games in 1993? Same waffle as you |
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Post by htafcokay on May 10, 2024 13:17:38 GMT 1
Waffle waffle waffle. How did King Neil get on in his first 13 games in 1993? Same waffle as you Try actually reading people's posts instead of going off on one. I've never blamed Warnock for the state we're in, and still don't. But just stop crying for a couple of minutes and look at the some of the other managers we've had over the years that have done well but had bad starts. Including your hero. Just calm down FFS. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on May 10, 2024 13:18:17 GMT 1
I hated Warnock back then, ripped every bit of flair out of the team. He proved me very wrong. Warnock won three of his first 13 league games. Or five in his first 20. It was only the Autoglass Trophy run that saved his job here as he was deeply unpopular until then, which all gets forgotten now. If Warnock had been chopped after his very disappointing start, perhaps there wouldn't have been the two Wembley appearances or the promotion, and the whole history would have been different. Makes you think. Definitely a sliding doors moment - we were shit in that game too, backs to the wall and a very 1990s goalmouth scramble ended up in the net. Changed Warnock’s life (suspect he would’ve bounced back from the inevitable sack at the end of a Wembley free 93/94 season though). |
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Post by King Neil on May 10, 2024 13:20:35 GMT 1
Try actually reading people's posts instead of going off on one. I've never blamed Warnock for the state we're in, and still don't. But just stop crying for a couple of minutes and look at the some of the other managers we've had over the years that have done well but had bad starts. Including your hero. Just calm down FFS. I'm fine...I'm enjoying debating/not wanting fall outs I've Lived through the full NW experience and he's done nothing but good for the club..people need to remember and appreciate the good |
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Post by htafcokay on May 10, 2024 13:23:12 GMT 1
Warnock won three of his first 13 league games. Or five in his first 20. It was only the Autoglass Trophy run that saved his job here as he was deeply unpopular until then, which all gets forgotten now. If Warnock had been chopped after his very disappointing start, perhaps there wouldn't have been the two Wembley appearances or the promotion, and the whole history would have been different. Makes you think. Definitely a sliding doors moment - we were shit in that game too, backs to the wall and a very 1990s goalmouth scramble ended up in the net. Changed Warnock’s life (suspect he would’ve bounced back from the inevitable sack at the end of a Wembley free 93/94 season though). It's funny how Warnock is looked upon as this "national treasure, isn't he funny" character nowadays. Up until about 10 years ago, he was one of the most hated people in football. Similar to how his first spell here is looked upon as this great period. Don't get me wrong, it ended up being a great period, but it is never mentioned just how unpopular he was in that first season until we got to Wembley. Reading the old Hanging on the Telephone issues and letters to the Examiner, there was a lot of hate directed at him. My Dad recalls the Brighton game at Leeds Road where Town fans were singing "Neil Warnock, you're a wanker" at him and by Warnock's own admission, the Autoglass saved him. Then after that, he had the fantastic 1994-95 season. Guess it just shows how history gets rewritten over the years, as we've seen so much recently. Even on this very thread. |
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Post by King Neil on May 10, 2024 13:28:02 GMT 1
Incidentally I would defend Peter Jackson and Mick Buxton with the same passion
All heroes
And once a hero always a hero
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Post by htafcokay on May 10, 2024 13:28:50 GMT 1
Incidentally I would defend Peter Jackson and Mick Buxton with the same passion All heroes And once a hero always a hero As would I. You're preaching to the converted. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on May 10, 2024 13:41:24 GMT 1
How did King Neil get on in his first 13 games in 1993? Bring king neil into it...David wagner and carlos corberan One big difference...none of the others got us Relegated!!! 13 games to go and your 5 points clear of the drop..just won 2 out of the last 4 games Then AB turns up and digs us Into a hole and wins only 2 out of 13 games...and then blames Neil's warnocks pre season You couldn't make it up!!!...he,s spineless Jw 2 wins in 4 King Neil only took the first 7 league games and got 2 win 2 draws and 3 defeats Real life facts...not just what you would like it to be like! Nw,s fault my arse He didn't 'blame' NW's pre season at all, he highlighted it as one of many failings around the club that led to our downfall, every single one of which he was correct in. But please you carry on spinning a bullshit yarn in order to support your view. |
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Post by exberlinerterrier on May 10, 2024 13:45:23 GMT 1
Turning the topic back towards Breitenreiter, I think it's important to say that AB's indecision doesn't equate to apathy - even though it might feel that way to some fans.
If he does take the job on in the end, then it's because he's had the appropriate chance to consider whether he thinks it's right for him. I don't blame him for wanting some time to think about that. He's not a Town fan, and so it's not a decision that should be based on emotions or feelings (the way we would make it), but on practical aspects like squad strength, finances, the attractiveness of the potential to rebuild, and also the distance from his family. On the other hand, if he doesn't take the job, then it will also only be for those reasons.
As much as HTAFC is a passion project to its fans, to coaches, players, owners (employees), it's a job - a business. That means that the point I've made above about indecision not equating to apathy becomes even more complicated. Perhaps AB has already decided to stay, and the marketing team is using radio silence to build suspense and interest among the fanbase - an announcement would trigger the sort of relief that would directly lead to a spike in season card sales. Alternatively, if he has already given notice of his desire to leave, the club could be using this time to chase other options and provide the fanbase with the impression (whether real or not) that they are 'on it' and in the process of appointing his successor.
It's really important not to underestimate the importance of time here. We have a really important summer of decision making and recruitment ahead, but rushing the solution to the coaching problem (which is surely the most important of them all) would already put us in a weakened position. If a week of thinking time means that we have a dedicated and enthused coach, then that's a great outcome for the club. If he decides that it's not for him, then that's best for the club.
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Post by mallyb on May 10, 2024 13:47:02 GMT 1
By his own admission this team should have stayed up. He has accepted he has made mistakes but also said that there are some serious problems at the club. I think he has been honest and its not news to most just confirmation of what many already suspected. We have a better understanding of the size of the problem than we had last year or even in January thanks to AB so hopefully in a better position to fix the problems. Next year should be better than it was going to be because of AB. As a comparison, Danny Rohl got 13 points from his first 13 games in charge and many forums think he is one of the mangers of the season. AB got 11 points from his first 13 or 13 points if we have a different referee in Bristol. Marti Cifuentes at qpr got 10 points from his 13 games. AB said he should have dealt with some situations sooner, an option these other managers had to improve their teams form. We ran out of time. Next season will be better regardless who is in charge I think a full reset should include a new coach..get some of the players he wants and a full pre season and try and hit the ground running AB,s name is tarnished amongst a lot of the supporters and Mark my words..if we aren't in the top 4 after 5 games then it will get very toxic inside the jss and people will want his head to roll A new manager starts at ground zero AB starts at game 14 I disagree, a new coach sets us back having to figure out what we have and where the problems are. Best chance to hit the ground running is AB. If he doesn't want the job, or needs convincing of anything other than he will be backed to transform the squad, then i don't think we want him and should move on quickly. This will be an attractive job to some good managers, but he would still be my first choice if he has the passion. |
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Post by King Neil on May 10, 2024 13:49:40 GMT 1
Bring king neil into it...David wagner and carlos corberan One big difference...none of the others got us Relegated!!! 13 games to go and your 5 points clear of the drop..just won 2 out of the last 4 games Then AB turns up and digs us Into a hole and wins only 2 out of 13 games...and then blames Neil's warnocks pre season You couldn't make it up!!!...he,s spineless Jw 2 wins in 4 King Neil only took the first 7 league games and got 2 win 2 draws and 3 defeats Real life facts...not just what you would like it to be like! Nw,s fault my arse He didn't 'blame' NW's pre season at all, he highlighted it as one of many failings around the club that led to our downfall, every single one of which he was correct in. But please you carry on spinning a bullshit yarn in order to support your view. I suppose you believe in the tooth fairy aswell Your opinion is not a fact...and that's a fact! |
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Post by Jack on May 10, 2024 13:50:59 GMT 1
Points per game of our managers for last 2 seasons. Make of it what you will.
1.67 Warnock 22/23 (15 games)
1.50 Jon Worthington* (4)
1.14 Warnock 23/24 (7)
1.05 Mark Fotheringham (20)
1.00 Narcis Pelach* (3)
0.90 Darren Moore (21)
0.86 Andre Breitenreiter (14)
0.50 Danny Schofield (8)
*caretaker.
Carlos average was 1.42 across the 92 games during the 20/21 (1.07) and 21/22 (1.78) seasons.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on May 10, 2024 14:09:39 GMT 1
Points per game of our managers for last 2 seasons. Make of it what you will. 1.67 Warnock 22/23 (15 games) 1.50 Jon Worthington* (4) 1.14 Warnock 23/24 (7) 1.05 Mark Fotheringham (20) 1.00 Narcis Pelach* (3) 0.90 Darren Moore (21) 0.86 Andre Breitenreiter (14) 0.50 Danny Schofield (8) *caretaker. Carlos average was 1.42 across the 92 games during the 20/21 (1.07) and 21/22 (1.78) seasons. Fuck sake. MF looks more and more capable given what dross others have served up. He sent Thomas out on loan and dealt with that also. |
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Post by BerksTerrier84 on May 10, 2024 14:11:16 GMT 1
Decision today.
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Post by SuperMrTerrier on May 10, 2024 14:12:21 GMT 1
For the third day running. |
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Post by griffa on May 10, 2024 14:16:02 GMT 1
Turning the topic back towards Breitenreiter, I think it's important to say that AB's indecision doesn't equate to apathy - even though it might feel that way to some fans. If he does take the job on in the end, then it's because he's had the appropriate chance to consider whether he thinks it's right for him. I don't blame him for wanting some time to think about that. He's not a Town fan, and so it's not a decision that should be based on emotions or feelings (the way we would make it), but on practical aspects like squad strength, finances, the attractiveness of the potential to rebuild, and also the distance from his family. On the other hand, if he doesn't take the job, then it will also only be for those reasons. As much as HTAFC is a passion project to its fans, to coaches, players, owners (employees), it's a job - a business. That means that the point I've made above about indecision not equating to apathy becomes even more complicated. Perhaps AB has already decided to stay, and the marketing team is using radio silence to build suspense and interest among the fanbase - an announcement would trigger the sort of relief that would directly lead to a spike in season card sales. Alternatively, if he has already given notice of his desire to leave, the club could be using this time to chase other options and provide the fanbase with the impression (whether real or not) that they are 'on it' and in the process of appointing his successor. It's really important not to underestimate the importance of time here. We have a really important summer of decision making and recruitment ahead, but rushing the solution to the coaching problem (which is surely the most important of them all) would already put us in a weakened position. If a week of thinking time means that we have a dedicated and enthused coach, then that's a great outcome for the club. If he decides that it's not for him, then that's best for the club. He needs to go, he failed big time - clueless! |
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Post by exberlinerterrier on May 10, 2024 14:20:17 GMT 1
Turning the topic back towards Breitenreiter, I think it's important to say that AB's indecision doesn't equate to apathy - even though it might feel that way to some fans. If he does take the job on in the end, then it's because he's had the appropriate chance to consider whether he thinks it's right for him. I don't blame him for wanting some time to think about that. He's not a Town fan, and so it's not a decision that should be based on emotions or feelings (the way we would make it), but on practical aspects like squad strength, finances, the attractiveness of the potential to rebuild, and also the distance from his family. On the other hand, if he doesn't take the job, then it will also only be for those reasons. As much as HTAFC is a passion project to its fans, to coaches, players, owners (employees), it's a job - a business. That means that the point I've made above about indecision not equating to apathy becomes even more complicated. Perhaps AB has already decided to stay, and the marketing team is using radio silence to build suspense and interest among the fanbase - an announcement would trigger the sort of relief that would directly lead to a spike in season card sales. Alternatively, if he has already given notice of his desire to leave, the club could be using this time to chase other options and provide the fanbase with the impression (whether real or not) that they are 'on it' and in the process of appointing his successor. It's really important not to underestimate the importance of time here. We have a really important summer of decision making and recruitment ahead, but rushing the solution to the coaching problem (which is surely the most important of them all) would already put us in a weakened position. If a week of thinking time means that we have a dedicated and enthused coach, then that's a great outcome for the club. If he decides that it's not for him, then that's best for the club. He needs to go, he failed big time - clueless! It's fair to say that it was not a successful time, but there were plenty of mitigating circumstances and I'm worried that we're missing out on an excellent head coach if he ends up leaving the club before we sort out the playing squad for him. What sort of coach would you employ instead? |
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Post by boooothy on May 10, 2024 14:25:52 GMT 1
This thread is starting to remind me of getting turned by lasses in Visage in the 90s and then saying 'I didnt fancy you anyway love" Then going to that strip joint over the road? oh just me 😂 i’m not sure there was much of a crossover from Visage and the lap dancing spot, that minging takeaway by the rat and ratchet a more common destination. |
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Post by dm on May 10, 2024 14:29:27 GMT 1
The more this rumbles on, the less I want him to stay. He didn't really manage to get started here anyway. It can happen to any coach or manager. Sometimes it just doesn't 'click'.
But then it seems he doesn't want to be here so how much would his heart be in it if he did stay?
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Post by Tinpot on May 10, 2024 14:48:48 GMT 1
Try actually reading people's posts instead of going off on one. I've never blamed Warnock for the state we're in, and still don't. But just stop crying for a couple of minutes and look at the some of the other managers we've had over the years that have done well but had bad starts. Including your hero. Just calm down FFS. I'm fine...I'm enjoying debating/not wanting fall outs I've Lived through the full NW experience and he's done nothing but good for the club..people need to remember and appreciate the good After 13 games it looked like nothing but shite though. Literally until the wins against Stockport and Carlisle in the Autoglass Trophy, and the last 13 league games most town fans would have readily binned him off. Warnock's 1993/94 town team was shite for the first 34 league games of his tenure. Not just shite, but probably the second shittest HTFC team (after Wadsworth 10 years later) since I became a fan in 1987. Yet we're writing Breitenreiter off after 13 games including some genuine mitigating circumstances? |
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Post by Uddersfeeled on May 10, 2024 14:51:31 GMT 1
This thread is starting to remind me of getting turned by lasses in Visage in the 90s and then saying 'I didnt fancy you anyway love" Then going to that strip joint over the road? oh just me 😂 i’m not sure there was much of a crossover from Visage and the lap dancing spot, that minging takeaway by the rat and ratchet a more common destination. Guilty, your honour but I cut me nightclubbing teeth at Calisto's and The Plaza. Here's some more nostalgic nightspots to reminisce about to take our minds back to happier youthful times. A little escapism from the 'refresh thread' drudgery. www.examinerlive.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/lost-nightclubs-huddersfield-your-memories-6727290 |
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Post by Wingman on May 10, 2024 14:53:10 GMT 1
You’d have to think he has a gut feeling about the job, as we all would. What exactly is stopping him confirming either way is either family or confirmed backing. I do think it needs resolving as I’m a big believer in planning early for a new season. Hit the ground running as there are a large number of players about to come out of contract or be made available, so we need to be in that conversation for them. Although we don’t need AB to start working on the recruitment. That’s MCs job…. Don’t we have a Director of Recruitment somewhere in the building too? |
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