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Post by htafcokay on May 10, 2024 14:59:29 GMT 1
I'm fine...I'm enjoying debating/not wanting fall outs I've Lived through the full NW experience and he's done nothing but good for the club..people need to remember and appreciate the good After 13 games it looked like nothing but shite though. Literally until the wins against Stockport and Carlisle in the Autoglass Trophy, and the last 13 league games most town fans would have readily binned him off. Warnock's 1993/94 town team was shite for the first 34 league games of his tenure. Not just shite, but probably the second shittest HTFC team (after Wadsworth 10 years later) since I became a fan in 1987. Yet we're writing Breitenreiter off after 13 games including some genuine mitigating circumstances?  |
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Post by King Neil on May 10, 2024 15:02:57 GMT 1
I'm fine...I'm enjoying debating/not wanting fall outs I've Lived through the full NW experience and he's done nothing but good for the club..people need to remember and appreciate the good After 13 games it looked like nothing but shite though. Literally until the wins against Stockport and Carlisle in the Autoglass Trophy, and the last 13 league games most town fans would have readily binned him off. Warnock's 1993/94 town team was shite for the first 34 league games of his tenure. Not just shite, but probably the second shittest HTFC team (after Wadsworth 10 years later) since I became a fan in 1987. Yet we're writing Breitenreiter off after 13 games including some genuine mitigating circumstances? Out of fairness then I understand yours and htafcokays logic that he might turn it round like previous managers have done It just wrangles me that blame gets put on the manager before the one he replaced If pre season was so shit...then why had we only lost 3 out of the opening 9 league games and a 5 game unbeaten run included..3 warnock..2 Moore And 2 of those defeats were against champions Leicester and playoff team Norwich It's just spin from MC and AB trying to cover their asses...facts don't lie!! |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 10, 2024 15:17:17 GMT 1
After 13 games it looked like nothing but shite though. Literally until the wins against Stockport and Carlisle in the Autoglass Trophy, and the last 13 league games most town fans would have readily binned him off. Warnock's 1993/94 town team was shite for the first 34 league games of his tenure. Not just shite, but probably the second shittest HTFC team (after Wadsworth 10 years later) since I became a fan in 1987. Yet we're writing Breitenreiter off after 13 games including some genuine mitigating circumstances? Out of fairness then I understand yours and htafcokays logic that he might turn it round like previous managers have done It just wrangles me that blame gets put on the manager before the one he replaced If pre season was so shit...then why had we only lost 3 out of the opening 9 league games and a 5 game unbeaten run included..3 warnock..2 Moore And 2 of those defeats were against champions Leicester and playoff team Norwich It's just spin from MC and AB trying to cover their asses...facts don't lie!! For what he managed to pull off last season he'll always be a legend,,not that he wasnt already for the 1995 promotion season. But that doesnt absolve him of his share of the blame for the calamity that was this season. Not when he had such a key role in building and preparing the squad..one that was so light on striking options it was untrue, and so ill prepared physically that it was soon to be ravished by injuries. Whilst a lot of the rumours around his conduct in the summer and how his reputation effected our dealings with some clubs eg PL loans, and some agents are conjecture, the inept summer we had isnt really IMO. |
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Post by Randy Watson on May 10, 2024 15:18:56 GMT 1
Crazy idea but maybe the decision is made. Maybe was a day ago. Maybe Nagle and the club are just waiting to make the announcements. Crazy, I know. I reckon a poll is in order...  A May pole ? |
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Post by King Neil on May 10, 2024 15:23:46 GMT 1
Out of fairness then I understand yours and htafcokays logic that he might turn it round like previous managers have done It just wrangles me that blame gets put on the manager before the one he replaced If pre season was so shit...then why had we only lost 3 out of the opening 9 league games and a 5 game unbeaten run included..3 warnock..2 Moore And 2 of those defeats were against champions Leicester and playoff team Norwich It's just spin from MC and AB trying to cover their asses...facts don't lie!! For what he managed to pull off last season he'll always be a legend,,not that he wasnt already for the 1995 promotion season. But that doesnt absolve him of his share of the blame for the calamity that was this season. Not when he had such a key role in building and preparing the squad..one that was so light on striking options it was untrue, and so ill prepared physically that it was soon to be ravished by injuries. Whilst a lot of the rumours around his conduct in the summer and how his reputation effected our dealings with some clubs eg PL loans, and some agents are conjecture, the inept summer we had isnt really IMO. I think kev mentioned something about financial restrictions in that vlog the other night..something about he hadn't got full control over financial matters until some point in June and that had affected matters |
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Post by Randy Watson on May 10, 2024 15:30:17 GMT 1
Times running out. We only have 3 calendar months until the season starts again. Fml. I do get your point but I also think we need a decision one way or the other ASAP. We probably have a stand off here between KN and AB. Let's say we wait another week and then he walks, that leaves us potentially without a manager until we're a month into the closed season (unless his replacement has already been sounded out) and already playing catch up. The clock is ticking and every day this drags on is detrimental to our chances of going straight back up. That's my opinion |
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Post by efesodje23 on May 10, 2024 15:32:17 GMT 1
I just don't have any faith in AB. His set-up, substitutions etc all been poor. His dealing with the players has been poor.
I don't think he could manage an erection if Gemmas box was laid there in front of him.
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Post by royrace on May 10, 2024 15:35:55 GMT 1
Definitely a sliding doors moment - we were shit in that game too, backs to the wall and a very 1990s goalmouth scramble ended up in the net. Changed Warnock’s life (suspect he would’ve bounced back from the inevitable sack at the end of a Wembley free 93/94 season though). It's funny how Warnock is looked upon as this "national treasure, isn't he funny" character nowadays. Up until about 10 years ago, he was one of the most hated people in football. Similar to how his first spell here is looked upon as this great period. Don't get me wrong, it ended up being a great period, but it is never mentioned just how unpopular he was in that first season until we got to Wembley. Reading the old Hanging on the Telephone issues and letters to the Examiner, there was a lot of hate directed at him. My Dad recalls the Brighton game at Leeds Road where Town fans were singing "Neil Warnock, you're a wanker" at him and by Warnock's own admission, the Autoglass saved him. Then after that, he had the fantastic 1994-95 season. Guess it just shows how history gets rewritten over the years, as we've seen so much recently. Even on this very thread. He already had a very good record when we took him on back then, he ruffled a few feathers for sure and apparently got some stick but not from me. I was happy to trust he knew what he was doing and so were many more, he'd already earned that. The only thing that pissed me off in fact was when he dropped jacko for the autoglass final, seemed petty and cruel and I'm sure there was a clash of ego there, not for the last time in his career! If Warnock has managed your club, you tend to love him, if not you hate him! That's generally the way it's been. I'm a big fan but wouldn't want to manage him in a million years, that's why I find it so annoying that the club weren't able to manage his ego, it's not like it's ever been a secret. Just points to poor judgement and lack of experience same as everything else. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 10, 2024 15:45:02 GMT 1
A lot of folk taking Breitenreiter's word for the alledged off the field shit show. We knew the squad was sub-standard from the beginning of the season but it all seems a bit convenient for him to blame all & sundry without really admitting to any blame in his role in it all.
Whilst I agree that Worthington wasn't the man for the job long term, he did manage the same number of wins & almost the same number of goals scored in one third of the number of games. Past reputations mean fuck all if you've not got some semblence of a tune out of a squad that others have.
If he hasn't made his mind up by tomorrow, I'd fuck him off & get sonebody in that isn't so wound up on tarnishing his own reputation further.
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Post by rockwall on May 10, 2024 15:46:15 GMT 1
I just don't have any faith in AB. His set-up, substitutions etc all been poor. His dealing with the players has been poor. I don't think he could manage an erection if Gemmas box was laid there in front of him. So in a nutshell you don't agree that players taking the piss get benched or dropped. You don't agree that the players weren't fit enough to play in his opinion. And you're last point.... he has been a successful manager in Germany. I guarantee players AB wants will be hard workers and play with passion and pride judging his comments since he has been here. He doesn't allow people to slack, take the piss or have an ego. |
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Post by specialun on May 10, 2024 15:49:03 GMT 1
A lot of folk taking Breitenreiter's word for the alledged off the field shit show. We knew the squad was sub-standard from the beginning of the season but it all seems a bit convenient for him to blame all & sundry without really admitting to any blame in his role in it all. Whilst I agree that Worthington wasn't the man for the job long term, he did manage the same number of wins & almost the same number of goals scored in one third of the number of games. Past reputations mean fuck all if you've not got some semblence of a tune out squad that others have. If he hasn't made his mind up about by tomorrow, I'd fuck him off & get sonebody in that isn't so wound up on tarnishing his own reputation further. Which part of “I made mistakes too” is not taking any blame What are you expecting him to say beyond “I made mistakes too” to admit he made mistakes? It’s a bit beyond me tbh! |
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Post by SuperMrTerrier on May 10, 2024 15:51:10 GMT 1
The more this rumbles on, the less I want him to stay. He didn't really manage to get started here anyway. It can happen to any coach or manager. Sometimes it just doesn't 'click'. But then it seems he doesn't want to be here so how much would his heart be in it if he did stay? Maybe that is the plan. Nagle himself mentioned the support Breitenreiter seemed to have from the fans. What better way to lay the ground for him leaving than turn fans against him before its announced? |
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Post by goodbet on May 10, 2024 15:56:31 GMT 1
I'm fine...I'm enjoying debating/not wanting fall outs I've Lived through the full NW experience and he's done nothing but good for the club..people need to remember and appreciate the good After 13 games it looked like nothing but shite though. Literally until the wins against Stockport and Carlisle in the Autoglass Trophy, and the last 13 league games most town fans would have readily binned him off. Warnock's 1993/94 town team was shite for the first 34 league games of his tenure. Not just shite, but probably the second shittest HTFC team (after Wadsworth 10 years later) since I became a fan in 1987. Yet we're writing Breitenreiter off after 13 games including some genuine mitigating circumstances? How many were saying that about DM and just about everybody was glad he was dumped although it was a lot too late. With some managers you can see what they are trying to do from the first game with others it can take some time. with AB I don't believe we have seen a sign of anything apart from us dropping 11 points against other relegation teams. From being 5 points clear of relegation when he came we were 6 points from safety at the end. All this and less than a point a game it is not surprising that most want him gone. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 10, 2024 15:56:53 GMT 1
A lot of folk taking Breitenreiter's word for the alledged off the field shit show. We knew the squad was sub-standard from the beginning of the season but it all seems a bit convenient for him to blame all & sundry without really admitting to any blame in his role in it all. Whilst I agree that Worthington wasn't the man for the job long term, he did manage the same number of wins & almost the same number of goals scored in one third of the number of games. Past reputations mean fuck all if you've not got some semblence of a tune out squad that others have. If he hasn't made his mind up about by tomorrow, I'd fuck him off & get sonebody in that isn't so wound up on tarnishing his own reputation further. Which part of “I made mistakes too” is not taking any blame What are you expecting him to say beyond “I made mistakes too” to admit he made mistakes? It’s a bit beyond me tbh! He could have been a bit more specific seeing as he's gone to town in blaming others. As crap as Moore was, he didn't seek to lay the blame on anybody else & we were rarely, if ever, in the bottom three under his tenure. If he stays & turns things round, I'll be happy but equally I won't lose a wink of sleep if he fucks off. |
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Post by exberlinerterrier on May 10, 2024 16:00:08 GMT 1
It's just really revealing that many of the posters questioning AB's commitment for pondering his future with the club are the same ones questioning the truth behind his criticism of players who clearly showed they couldn't give less of a shit about Town through their abject performances this season.
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Post by dewsburyborn on May 10, 2024 16:03:44 GMT 1
Which part of “I made mistakes too” is not taking any blame What are you expecting him to say beyond “I made mistakes too” to admit he made mistakes? It’s a bit beyond me tbh! He could have been a bit more specific seeing as he's gone to town in blaming others. As crap as Moore was, he didn't seek to lay the blame on anybody else & we were rarely, if ever, in the bottom three under his tenure. If he stays & turns things round, I'll be happy but equally I won't lose a wink of sleep if he fucks off. Maybe Moore was not disturbed by the attitude of the alleged bad eggs? |
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Post by efesodje23 on May 10, 2024 16:05:29 GMT 1
I just don't have any faith in AB. His set-up, substitutions etc all been poor. His dealing with the players has been poor. I don't think he could manage an erection if Gemmas box was laid there in front of him. So in a nutshell you don't agree that players taking the piss get benched or dropped. You don't agree that the players weren't fit enough to play in his opinion. And you're last point.... he has been a successful manager in Germany. I guarantee players AB wants will be hard workers and play with passion and pride judging his comments since he has been here. He doesn't allow people to slack, take the piss or have an ego. I'm not disagreeing the players need rid and that technically and attitude wise aren't good enough. The players are disgusting. He should've took action earlier, send messages out, warned them, I don't know actually attempted to take control of his own dressing room rather than before the final 2 games of the season. Should've dropped them earlier. Stinks of a lack of accountability.
Even when he was picking ''full strength'' sides of players who he calls bad eggs and couldn't be arsed he was still picking weird formations, roles and substitutions. If a sign of a good manager is someone who plays Burgzorg who ended up being unable to trap a ball, clearly couldn't be bothered for the last 7/8 games of the season rather than dropping him for literally anyone else then I despair.Phil Brown had success and look at him now. Felix Magath had success in Germany. Did that translate to England? Where is he now? Too much is placed upon a managers past and their achievements imo. What's more important is someone being the right fit, for the right club at that period of time and the vision. Sadly I don't think this is the club or time for him. I will judge a manager based on what he does here. And I've seen nothing to signify he is the saviour people are making him out to be. All I've seen from him so far has been poor man management, poor squad management, poor selections, poor tactics, poor substitutions and an air or arrogance. |
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Post by goodbet on May 10, 2024 16:13:03 GMT 1
I just don't have any faith in AB. His set-up, substitutions etc all been poor. His dealing with the players has been poor. I don't think he could manage an erection if Gemmas box was laid there in front of him. So in a nutshell you don't agree that players taking the piss get benched or dropped. You don't agree that the players weren't fit enough to play in his opinion. And you're last point.... he has been a successful manager in Germany. I guarantee players AB wants will be hard workers and play with passion and pride judging his comments since he has been here. He doesn't allow people to slack, take the piss or have an ego. If that is the case why did we not see any of this when he was looking after the team? Comments coming out when all was lost sounds a lot like excuses to cover up his failings! |
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Post by King Neil on May 10, 2024 16:14:38 GMT 1
"Now pass the blame and don't blame andre"
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Post by efesodje23 on May 10, 2024 16:15:17 GMT 1
So in a nutshell you don't agree that players taking the piss get benched or dropped. You don't agree that the players weren't fit enough to play in his opinion. And you're last point.... he has been a successful manager in Germany. I guarantee players AB wants will be hard workers and play with passion and pride judging his comments since he has been here. He doesn't allow people to slack, take the piss or have an ego. I'm not disagreeing the players need rid and that technically and attitude wise aren't good enough. The players are disgusting. He should've took action earlier, send messages out, warned them, I don't know actually attempted to take control of his own dressing room rather than before the final 2 games of the season. Should've dropped them earlier. Stinks of a lack of accountability.
Even when he was picking ''full strength'' sides of players who he calls bad eggs and couldn't be arsed he was still picking weird formations, roles and substitutions. If a sign of a good manager is someone who plays Burgzorg who ended up being unable to trap a ball, clearly couldn't be bothered for the last 7/8 games of the season rather than dropping him for literally anyone else then I despair.Phil Brown had success and look at him now. Felix Magath had success in Germany. Did that translate to England? Where is he now? Too much is placed upon a managers past and their achievements imo. What's more important is someone being the right fit, for the right club at that period of time and the vision. Sadly I don't think this is the club or time for him. I will judge a manager based on what he does here. And I've seen nothing to signify he is the saviour people are making him out to be. All I've seen from him so far has been poor man management, poor squad management, poor selections, poor tactics, poor substitutions and an air or arrogance. Just to add to this, as I'm aware someone might put ''wElL thAtS whAt FothEringHam dId anD looK aT hIm'' 1) MF had a higher PPG (granted, different season and circumstance). 2) Players might of actually listened more to a manager like AB who as you say, has accomplished stuff in the game, rather than MF whose highest achievement was helping Woody and the gang get back to Andys house. If he's bollocked them, dropped them and outed them earlier it might of actually caused a reaction with 7/8 games left. Rather than doing it when we're already down, what was that meant to achieve? What buy-in did he expect from that? |
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Post by Uddersfeeled on May 10, 2024 16:17:03 GMT 1
He could have been a bit more specific seeing as he's gone to town in blaming others. As crap as Moore was, he didn't seek to lay the blame on anybody else & we were rarely, if ever, in the bottom three under his tenure. If he stays & turns things round, I'll be happy but equally I won't lose a wink of sleep if he fucks off. Maybe Moore was not disturbed by the attitude of the alleged bad eggs? Moore didn't strike me as the kind of character that would take anyone to task. A softly spoken nice guy who's good character you can imagine would have been taken liberty of by some of the squad. |
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Post by exberlinerterrier on May 10, 2024 16:19:27 GMT 1
So in a nutshell you don't agree that players taking the piss get benched or dropped. You don't agree that the players weren't fit enough to play in his opinion. And you're last point.... he has been a successful manager in Germany. I guarantee players AB wants will be hard workers and play with passion and pride judging his comments since he has been here. He doesn't allow people to slack, take the piss or have an ego. If that is the case why did we not see any of this when he was looking after the team? Comments coming out when all was lost sounds a lot like excuses to cover up his failings! We all know the answer to that question already. It’s because we had some dickheads in the squad. There were, just a reminder, others who did give their all under him. Some of those who did play for him include Lees, Helik, Pearson, Kas, Healey, Turton… Give AB a chance to build his own team - why wouldn’t the players he chooses in conjunction with the recruitment team have the technical ability and attitude he wants them to? |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 10, 2024 16:23:08 GMT 1
Andre Breitenreiter ‘likes’ this thread…
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Post by goodbet on May 10, 2024 16:25:51 GMT 1
If that is the case why did we not see any of this when he was looking after the team? Comments coming out when all was lost sounds a lot like excuses to cover up his failings! We all know the answer to that question already. It’s because we had some dickheads in the squad. There were, just a reminder, others who did give their all under him. Some of those who did play for him include Lees, Helik, Pearson, Kas, Healey, Turton… Give AB a chance to build his own team - why wouldn’t the players he chooses in conjunction with the recruitment team have the technical ability and attitude he wants them to? How do we know the answer to that question? Why because AB told us there was a problem when he gave us an answer to a question no one was asking. I guess that there are dickheads as you describe them in every squad, some managers can deal with the issues, other managers do something else. |
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Post by goodbet on May 10, 2024 16:28:46 GMT 1
Maybe Moore was not disturbed by the attitude of the alleged bad eggs? Moore didn't strike me as the kind of character that would take anyone to task. A softly spoken nice guy who's good character you can imagine would have been taken liberty of by some of the squad. More was the chosen one picked from a position of strength by our wonderful DoF, how could he so ....... I will ask someone from Port Vale! |
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Post by Uddersfeeled on May 10, 2024 16:33:16 GMT 1
Moore didn't strike me as the kind of character that would take anyone to task. A softly spoken nice guy who's good character you can imagine would have been taken liberty of by some of the squad. More was the chosen one picked from a position of strength by our wonderful DoF, how could he so ....... I will ask someone from Port Vale! Better still, go and support Port Vale. |
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Post by waggers on May 10, 2024 16:33:37 GMT 1
We all know the answer to that question already. It’s because we had some dickheads in the squad. There were, just a reminder, others who did give their all under him. Some of those who did play for him include Lees, Helik, Pearson, Kas, Healey, Turton… Give AB a chance to build his own team - why wouldn’t the players he chooses in conjunction with the recruitment team have the technical ability and attitude he wants them to? How do we know the answer to that question? Why because AB told us there was a problem when he gave us an answer to a question no one was asking. I guess that there are dickheads as you describe them in every squad, some managers can deal with the issues, other managers do something else. Some managers can deal with trouble making wasters on a short term basis and get the job done, managers such as Warnock. Interesting that he shipped Thomas off to Blackburn when we were fighting to survive. Other managers, possibly like AB might not be able to knock up a quick fix and get the job done short term. I understand some fans hesitancy to retain AB but the bloke knows how to manage a team, give him a pre season and the appropriate tools he'll sort us out. In our current situation I really don't believe we have the ability to get anyone remotely near his experience. |
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Post by goodbet on May 10, 2024 16:35:05 GMT 1
More was the chosen one picked from a position of strength by our wonderful DoF, how could he so ....... I will ask someone from Port Vale! Better still, go and support Port Vale. Whats up? Can't face the truth?  |
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Post by Uddersfeeled on May 10, 2024 16:37:13 GMT 1
How do we know the answer to that question? Why because AB told us there was a problem when he gave us an answer to a question no one was asking. I guess that there are dickheads as you describe them in every squad, some managers can deal with the issues, other managers do something else. Some managers can deal with trouble making wasters on a short term basis and get the job done, managers such as Warnock. Interesting that he shipped Thomas off to Blackburn when we were fighting to survive. Other managers, possibly like AB might not be able to knock up a quick fix and get the job done short term. I understand some fans hesitancy to retain AB but the bloke knows how to manage a team, give him a pre season and the appropriate tools he'll sort us out. In our current situation I really don't believe we have the ability to get anyone remotely near his experience. I agree with paragraphs 2 & 3 www.htafc.com/news/2023/january/loan-sorba-thomas-joins-blackburn-rovers/ |
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Post by Uddersfeeled on May 10, 2024 16:38:09 GMT 1
Better still, go and support Port Vale. Whats up? Can't face the truth? The truth is out there..... |
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