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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 15, 2024 16:15:34 GMT 1
Some fans seem to want almost guaranteed winning football for their continued outlay. We're much more likely to get winning football in league 1 so you'd think they'd be keener to buy a SC if we go down. Why is this any different from anything else in life? Kirklees are rumoured to be increasing the council tax by 5%, by your logic I would be entitled to ask Kirklees Council for 5% better in public services but I won't be getting it. Nagle needs to show the fans he is serious about moving this club forward before he starts hiking season tickets hugely. If he is expecting the fans to pay for squad rebuilding then he's in for a shock. I doubt he even expects the fans to pay for the general running of the club as it is, never mind improving it. Probably just expects a better contribution to it. What youre saying is Nagle 'needs to show the fans he is serious about moving this club forwards'...but we the fans dont have to show we are serious about it...we should just be able to carry on paying half the going rate and maybe not bother going anymore if Nagle doesn't show hes serious enough?. That seems like a fair arrangement then! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 15, 2024 16:17:45 GMT 1
Few people on an internet forum is not a representation of the entirety of our fanbase. Most know we would have to start paying more, like everything at the moment that is going up. We have a fair few moaners but it would be the same at any other club that were paying cheap season tickets for years before an increase. If we have less season tickets and we have a good year next season, plenty will pay on the gate which could end up with more income. That's true, however unfortunately they are the louder of the bunch. Entitled brats that expect to be challenging at the top of the table but balking at having to pay for it. I was REALLY resisting using that word!!  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 15, 2024 16:26:21 GMT 1
Still can’t find out the number of season cards issued but for the Leeds game there was only 19,000 in the stadium. Subtract 2,200 away fans from that and that leaves about 16,800. I would say the lions share of those were season tickets. The owners are concerned about attendance figures I am certain of that which is understandable. But Town need a consistent approach, stability and some ambition, which I am sure the owners are trying to provide. I think it's less tbh, our gate against PNE was 17,549 which included 1,134 away fans..leaving 16,415 home fans and that includes any pay on the day... so maybe nearer 16,300 ?? If thats right then its actually quite a positive figure and shows our support has held up well since relegation from the PL. Its hasnt returned to pre PL figures despite mostly seasons of struggle. I dont think anyone wants to see prices go up but the reality is, despite being the 16th highest gate figures in the division our income from our support base is probably the 2nd smallest after Rotherham. If we want to do better that probably has to change, unless we want to just sit back and expect an owner to take care of it for us. |
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Post by townarentbest on Mar 15, 2024 16:28:05 GMT 1
Still can’t find out the number of season cards issued but for the Leeds game there was only 19,000 in the stadium. Subtract 2,200 away fans from that and that leaves about 16,800. I would say the lions share of those were season tickets. The owners are concerned about attendance figures I am certain of that which is understandable. But Town need a consistent approach, stability and some ambition, which I am sure the owners are trying to provide. I think it's less tbh, our gate against PNE was 17,549 which included 1,134 away fans..leaving 16,415 home fans and that includes any pay on the day... so maybe nearer 16,300 ?? A midweek cold evening game on a school night in the middle of December is probably not a good indicator - plenty season ticket holders would have been missing? |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 15, 2024 16:28:51 GMT 1
I think it's less tbh, our gate against PNE was 17,549 which included 1,134 away fans..leaving 16,415 home fans and that includes any pay on the day... so maybe nearer 16,300 ?? A midweek cold evening game on a school night in the middle of December is probably not a good indicator - plenty season ticket holders would have been missing? Plus it was three months into the Moore era. |
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Post by fredcarno1 on Mar 15, 2024 17:13:29 GMT 1
Absolute madness if the club put them up by £100+, people have got used to cheap tickets and many would simply pack in or pick and choose games.
For context the club have won roughly a dozen home games in the last 2 seasons and have been fighting relegation in 12 of the last 14 seasons whilst serving up mostly dreadful football. In what other industry could you justify a similar price increase for such an abysmal product ?.
If the prices go up and it raises a million pounds of revenue, what does that actually get us in real terms ? Another Wiles or Radulovic ?
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 15, 2024 17:14:37 GMT 1
I think it's less tbh, our gate against PNE was 17,549 which included 1,134 away fans..leaving 16,415 home fans and that includes any pay on the day... so maybe nearer 16,300 ?? Its hasnt returned to pre PL figures despite mostly seasons of struggle. I dont think anyone wants to see prices go up but the reality is, despite being the 16th highest gate figures in the division our income from our support base is probably the 2nd smallest after Rotherham. If we want to do better that probably has to change, unless we want to just sit back and expect an owner to take care of it for us. It's held up because the prices haven't gone up. |
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Post by willo on Mar 15, 2024 17:30:35 GMT 1
Have said it previously but an increase to £300 is still a 20% increase irrespective of how cheap season tickets are or have been. Even by today’s standards, that is a big increase and one which personally, I would pay. However, anymore than that and I will be reconsidering whichever division we are in. I understand we have had it pretty good for some time now, certainly in comparison to some other clubs, and that prices likely have to rise but it has to be in a managed, staggered way - not a clobbering all in one go.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Mar 15, 2024 17:37:41 GMT 1
Cast your minds back to when Barry Rubery took over and Town were spending relatively big for the championship, bet we had a top 6 budget.
We'd had a good 18 month spell or so under Peter Jackson before Steve Bruce came in and the fans that went were very positive about the clubs future.
The target of premier league football seemed a lot more achievable and closer than what it does to the present.
Can't remember how much season ticket prices were back then or what it would equate to in todays world but the crowds weren't great.
I' guess that they were probably 9-10,000 season ticket holders.
Don't recall us getting that many crowds of over 16,0000 and remember that was with away fans getting 3,800 tickets, about a thousand less than what the maximum is allocation is today.
Of course those were the days when an attendance was how many times the turnstile clicked and not the mockery they are today.
They need to get the balance right with prices, I don't want to see people priced out, we have bigger support/ local interest than we did in 2000's largely due to the cheap prices.
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 15, 2024 17:41:38 GMT 1
Cast your minds back to when Barry Rubery took over and Town were spending relatively big for the championship, bet we had a top 6 budget. We'd had a good 18 month spell or so under Peter Jackson before Steve Bruce came in and the fans that went were very positive about the clubs future. The target of premier league football seemed a lot more achievable and closer than what it does to the present. Can't remember how much season ticket prices were back then or what it would equate to in todays world but the crowds weren't great. I' guess that they were probably 9-10,000 season ticket holders. Don't recall us getting that many crowds of over 16,0000 and remember that was with away fans getting 3,800 tickets, about a thousand less than what the maximum is allocation is today. Of course those were the days when an attendance was how many times the turnstile clicked and not the mockery they are today. They need to get the balance right with prices, I don't want to see people priced out, we have bigger support/ local interest than we did in 2000's largely due to the cheap prices.  Reports at the time said we'd sold around 9,000. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 15, 2024 17:46:10 GMT 1
Cast your minds back to when Barry Rubery took over and Town were spending relatively big for the championship, bet we had a top 6 budget. We'd had a good 18 month spell or so under Peter Jackson before Steve Bruce came in and the fans that went were very positive about the clubs future. The target of premier league football seemed a lot more achievable and closer than what it does to the present. Can't remember how much season ticket prices were back then or what it would equate to in todays world but the crowds weren't great. I' guess that they were probably 9-10,000 season ticket holders. Don't recall us getting that many crowds of over 16,0000 and remember that was with away fans getting 3,800 tickets, about a thousand less than what the maximum is allocation is today. Of course those were the days when an attendance was how many times the turnstile clicked and not the mockery they are today. They need to get the balance right with prices, I don't want to see people priced out, we have bigger support/ local interest than we did in 2000's largely due to the cheap prices. I'm sure even then it cost about 350 or so for an adult season ticket. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Mar 15, 2024 17:46:47 GMT 1
if we were to put tickets up by £50 each and the estimated 17k ST Holders renewed, that's £800k of extra revenue against a wage bill of around £8m. Significant.
But the maths is based on huge assumptions, like everyone renewing and no change in matchday spend etc.
If 15k renewed at this rate, that's £750k increase, but then you lose 2k fans at an average of, say, £200 a pop, so lose £400k. Your increased revenue is then down to £350k. But then ifs every fan spends £10 on matchday you lose £20k each matchday, 23 times = £460k reduction in math day spend. So your season revenue is actually net £110k down.
I'm glad I'm not the one making the decision.
Personally, I'd announce that they were going up £50 if we stay up, frozen if we go down, and pledge that whichever division we're in we'll be having a very busy and ambitious transfer window. What was the old Hoyle line in the first Lee Clark summer? You buy your seat, we'll get you out of it?
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 15, 2024 17:47:53 GMT 1
if we were to put tickets up by £50 each and the estimated 17k ST Holders renewed, that's £800k of extra revenue against a wage bill of around £8m. Significant. But the maths is based on huge assumptions, like everyone renewing and no change in matchday spend etc. If 15k renewed at this rate, that's £750k increase, but then you lose 2k fans at an average of, say, £200 a pop, so lose £400k. Your increased revenue is then down to £350k. But then ifs every fan spends £10 on matchday you lose £20k each matchday, 23 times = £460k reduction in math day spend. So your season revenue is actually net £110k down. I'm glad I'm not the one making the decision. Personally, I'd announce that they were going up £50 if we stay up, frozen if we go down, and pledge that whichever division we're in we'll be having a very busy and ambitious transfer window. What was the old Hoyle line in the first Lee Clark summer? You buy your seat, we'll get you out of it?And "You buy your tickets, we'll buy the players". |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 15, 2024 17:51:50 GMT 1
If thats right then its actually quite a positive figure and shows our support has held up well since relegation from the PL.Its hasnt returned to pre PL figures despite mostly seasons of struggle. I dont think anyone wants to see prices go up but the reality is, despite being the 16th highest gate figures in the division our income from our support base is probably the 2nd smallest after Rotherham. If we want to do better that probably has to change, unless we want to just sit back and expect an owner to take care of it for us. It's held up because the prices haven't gone up. Yeah to a certain degree. And to a certain degree we now struggle near the bottom most of the time because the prices havent gone up. People expect, even demand, to do better than the second smallest earning club in the division but arent that willing to contribute more so we arent the second smallest earning club in the division. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 15, 2024 17:53:52 GMT 1
It's held up because the prices haven't gone up. Yeah to a certain degree. And to a certain degree we now struggle near the bottom most of the time because the prices havent gone up.
People expect, even demand, to do better than the second smallest earning club in the division but arent that willing to contribute more so we arent the second smallest earning club in the division. Yet the last time we got promoted, our season tickets were the cheapest they'd been in years. £179, weren't they? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 15, 2024 17:56:59 GMT 1
Cast your minds back to when Barry Rubery took over and Town were spending relatively big for the championship, bet we had a top 6 budget. We'd had a good 18 month spell or so under Peter Jackson before Steve Bruce came in and the fans that went were very positive about the clubs future. The target of premier league football seemed a lot more achievable and closer than what it does to the present. Can't remember how much season ticket prices were back then or what it would equate to in todays world but the crowds weren't great. I' guess that they were probably 9-10,000 season ticket holders. Don't recall us getting that many crowds of over 16,0000 and remember that was with away fans getting 3,800 tickets, about a thousand less than what the maximum is allocation is today. Of course those were the days when an attendance was how many times the turnstile clicked and not the mockery they are today. They need to get the balance right with prices, I don't want to see people priced out, we have bigger support/ local interest than we did in 2000's largely due to the cheap prices. Thats a good point to raise. Maybe if our fans are reluctant to pay anything approaching the going rate for their football , then the club could supplement that by giving the whole south stand to away fans again? theres plenty of clubs who would sell it out, so having our 'singing when we're winning' section in there effectively costs the club a lot of potential income ( £50k a game , maybe 10 times a season??) |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 15, 2024 17:59:38 GMT 1
Yeah to a certain degree. And to a certain degree we now struggle near the bottom most of the time because the prices havent gone up.
People expect, even demand, to do better than the second smallest earning club in the division but arent that willing to contribute more so we arent the second smallest earning club in the division. Yet the last time we got promoted, our season tickets were the cheapest they'd been in years. £179, weren't they? If you say it was, cant remember. It can happen,,we proved that under Wagner and almost under corboran But in general football tables are a list of wealth with those with the most money at the top and those with the least at the bottom. theres a reason why rotherham cant establish themselves in this division. Theyre income isnt much less than ours. |
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Post by detox on Mar 15, 2024 18:08:47 GMT 1
I think it's less tbh, our gate against PNE was 17,549 which included 1,134 away fans..leaving 16,415 home fans and that includes any pay on the day... so maybe nearer 16,300 ?? A midweek cold evening game on a school night in the middle of December is probably not a good indicator - plenty season ticket holders would have been missing? Doesn't make any difference |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 15, 2024 18:15:21 GMT 1
A midweek cold evening game on a school night in the middle of December is probably not a good indicator - plenty season ticket holders would have been missing? Doesn't make any difference Its actually a good game to figure it out as there'd be fewer pay on the doorers at it. |
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Post by detox on Mar 15, 2024 18:25:32 GMT 1
Doesn't make any difference Its actually a good game to figure it out as there'd be fewer pay on the doorers at it. That's why I chose it 👍 |
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Post by sabailand on Mar 15, 2024 18:37:20 GMT 1
Cast your minds back to when Barry Rubery took over and Town were spending relatively big for the championship, bet we had a top 6 budget. We'd had a good 18 month spell or so under Peter Jackson before Steve Bruce came in and the fans that went were very positive about the clubs future. The target of premier league football seemed a lot more achievable and closer than what it does to the present. Can't remember how much season ticket prices were back then or what it would equate to in todays world but the crowds weren't great. I' guess that they were probably 9-10,000 season ticket holders. Don't recall us getting that many crowds of over 16,0000 and remember that was with away fans getting 3,800 tickets, about a thousand less than what the maximum is allocation is today. Of course those were the days when an attendance was how many times the turnstile clicked and not the mockery they are today. They need to get the balance right with prices, I don't want to see people priced out, we have bigger support/ local interest than we did in 2000's largely due to the cheap prices. Reports at the time said we'd sold around 9,000. So twenty odd years ago a person was paying thirty odd quid more (early bird offers taken into account) than today for exactly the same seat in the Lawrence Batley upper £283 v £249 which i paid this season, how folk can complain about a price rise is staggering. |
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Post by terryya on Mar 15, 2024 19:42:41 GMT 1
Absolute madness if the club put them up by £100+, people have got used to cheap tickets and many would simply pack in or pick and choose games. For context the club have won roughly a dozen home games in the last 2 seasons and have been fighting relegation in 12 of the last 14 seasons whilst serving up mostly dreadful football. In what other industry could you justify a similar price increase for such an abysmal product ?. If the prices go up and it raises a million pounds of revenue, what does that actually get us in real terms ? Another Wiles or Radulovic ? An increase from £250-£350 over the last 14 years would be almost exactly the figure you'd expect if you purely took average inflation for good and services! Even a Freddo has pretty much doubled in price! |
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Post by townarentbest on Mar 15, 2024 20:25:36 GMT 1
Cast your minds back to when Barry Rubery took over and Town were spending relatively big for the championship, bet we had a top 6 budget. We'd had a good 18 month spell or so under Peter Jackson before Steve Bruce came in and the fans that went were very positive about the clubs future. The target of premier league football seemed a lot more achievable and closer than what it does to the present. Can't remember how much season ticket prices were back then or what it would equate to in todays world but the crowds weren't great. I' guess that they were probably 9-10,000 season ticket holders. Don't recall us getting that many crowds of over 16,0000 and remember that was with away fans getting 3,800 tickets, about a thousand less than what the maximum is allocation is today. Of course those were the days when an attendance was how many times the turnstile clicked and not the mockery they are today. They need to get the balance right with prices, I don't want to see people priced out, we have bigger support/ local interest than we did in 2000's largely due to the cheap prices. Thats a good point to raise. Maybe if our fans are reluctant to pay anything approaching the going rate for their football , then the club could supplement that by giving the whole south stand to away fans again? theres plenty of clubs who would sell it out, so having our 'singing when we're winning' section in there effectively costs the club a lot of potential income ( £50k a game , maybe 10 times a season??) Despite barely any clubs selling out the current smaller allocation!? Seems unlikely. Isn't it just Leicester, Leeds and Sheff Wed that have sold out this season - three teams that are likely to be in a different division to us next season. |
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Post by townarentbest on Mar 15, 2024 20:27:02 GMT 1
A midweek cold evening game on a school night in the middle of December is probably not a good indicator - plenty season ticket holders would have been missing? Doesn't make any difference Ah yes...good point, you're right 👌 |
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Post by Fish & Chips on Mar 15, 2024 21:50:46 GMT 1
Absolute madness if the club put them up by £100+, people have got used to cheap tickets and many would simply pack in or pick and choose games. For context the club have won roughly a dozen home games in the last 2 seasons and have been fighting relegation in 12 of the last 14 seasons whilst serving up mostly dreadful football. In what other industry could you justify a similar price increase for such an abysmal product ?. If the prices go up and it raises a million pounds of revenue, what does that actually get us in real terms ? Another Wiles or Radulovic ? 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 |
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Post by 2ellandback on Mar 15, 2024 23:05:21 GMT 1
There is nothing to stop fans who think we don’t charge enough voluntarily paying extra.
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Post by BlueValour on Mar 16, 2024 1:28:00 GMT 1
We are fortunate to be able to support our team at such reasonable prices. Next season, Spurs fans will pay between £120 and £125 in the new Riverside Stand, where season tickets are set to retail at £3,000! Oh, and they have removed o65 concessions for fans not currently eligible.
OK, I know they are in London and the PL so the situation is not directly comparable but, nonetheless, those are seriously high prices.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Mar 16, 2024 11:05:12 GMT 1
Why would anyone pay interest on buying a season ticket in advance of the games. If anything there should be a discount for paying ahead of time Really - did you actually go to school? I understand the rationale of net present value, but that is already factored into the season ticket price if you can pay on advance! |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 16, 2024 12:02:50 GMT 1
Mmmm… There’s normally a press release after this sort of post. What’s happened? A bit of market feedback going on before they finalise the prices? |
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Post by Orinoco on Mar 16, 2024 12:04:31 GMT 1
Remember the times you just got a free match or 2 if you were a season ticket holder. The sadford fans around me are whinging because theirs have gone up to £249. The cost of living crisis is a long way from over as some on here seem to think, a lot families cannot afford it now, it is fast becoming the single man's sport again.
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