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Post by townarentbest on Feb 22, 2024 13:15:01 GMT 1
Why does pretty much everyone who creates a poll taint the results before they've even started!?
WHY put "£249 - unlikely" ?!
And why have the £250/£300/£350/£400 - AND then some random range of £'s in a single tiered option?!
Delete the thread and start again and apply some sense 🤷♂️
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Post by willo on Feb 22, 2024 13:19:24 GMT 1
I think £249 is too cheap but any increase would have to be staggered, even increasing to £300 is a 20% increase. I would likely be ok paying up to £400 if we are playing in the Championship and more if we were to go into the PL (although I’d expect it to drop once we were relegated) but equally, I’d be tapping out at £300-£325 for League 1 football. Re folk paying different amounts dependent on where they sit. Whilst it would go against myself, it is what happens if you’re paying to go see a live band in an arena setting, eg you sit in tier 3 at Leeds Arena and it’s considerably cheaper than if you sit in tier 1 or have floor seats so I can see the sense in it. Bottom line is there’s an ongoing cost of living crisis. If you up the prices too much, a percentage will drop off. Would the club rather risk that to get more cash in? Far better I think to have more people in the stadium. And I’m not too fussed what other clubs admission prices are as most of them appear to be already over charging at present.
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Post by castlehillterrier on Feb 22, 2024 13:20:57 GMT 1
Who is voting for a price increase ? So we increase ticket prices by 100 quid loose a few thousand off the attendance ? To pay for a few signings. Have they even suggested there putting prices up why the hell are you even talking about price rises . Instead of spending 1 million on replacing managers every 4 months just keep ticket prices same ta . Actually can’t believe people are asking for price increases utter mad that . Imagine paying more buying players for more and still being utter shite yes its been pretty obvious from many meetings conversations with Mr Nagle prices need to go up, the question is not about if they are going up but by how much would be acceptable to most or how they do it. |
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Post by dumbo on Feb 22, 2024 13:28:59 GMT 1
Rather than increase season tickets across the board. Should look to offer more and get more money from richer fans and those that are not local. More hospitality offers and a membership scheme.
For hospitality. I'd replace some or all of the riverside upper tier seats with the padded type they have in the centre. Then sell a premium ticket for those. Priced in-between a standard ticket and a box package. Include a pie and drink type meal somewhere (like the rope walk if not possible in the stadium), before the match with a guest speaker or meet and greet with an injured first teamer (we have enough of them).
You'd need to manage the current upper tier ticket holders though. I know how contentious these seats moves can be. Invite them to a meeting first and discuss then give them something to make up for it.
Then add a membership system for £30 -£50 or something. Membership gives things like; ticket offers, priority away tickets, season audio pass and more video content, club shop offers, try to do a deal for Chickens podcast etc. Maybe some voting rights to elect a fan representative to the board or other positions.
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Post by castlehillterrier on Feb 22, 2024 13:29:47 GMT 1
Why does pretty much everyone who creates a poll taint the results before they've even started!? WHY put "£249 - unlikely" ?! And why have the £250/£300/£350/£400 - AND then some random range of £'s in a single tiered option?! Delete the thread and start again and apply some sense 🤷♂️ why reply... I put unlikely because it very much is unlikely as Mr Nagle has said many times. In an ideal world we would all choose the lowest but that not the point of the discussion of the poll. the random range is because to me its the one that makes most sense, lower price worse seat etc. If you ask me what I think the club will do I think it will be a flat rate for all of around £330.00 and if so I also think this is pretty much spot on, i just personally prefer the lower price for the seats not as good I would be paying the mid range for example of what I said for my seats and the £330.00 flat rate would not change a thing for me. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Feb 22, 2024 13:31:11 GMT 1
Rather than increase season tickets across the board. Should look to offer more and get more money from richer fans and those that are not local. More hospitality offers and a membership scheme. For hospitality. I'd replace some or all of the riverside upper tier seats with the padded type they have in the centre. Then sell a premium ticket for those. Priced in-between a standard ticket and a box package. Include a pie and drink type meal somewhere (like the rope walk if not possible in the stadium), before the match with a guest speaker or meet and greet with an injured first teamer (we have enough of them). You'd need to manage the current upper tier ticket holders though. I know how contentious these seats moves can be. Invite them to a meeting first and discuss then give them something to make up for it. Then add a membership system for £30 -£50 or something. Membership gives things like; ticket offers, priority away tickets, season audio pass and more video content, club shop offers, try to do a deal for Chickens podcast etc. Maybe some voting rights to elect a fan representative to the board or other positions. these ideas could actually all help, but even with these the basic season ticket needs to increase in some way. |
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Post by pieceofbread1 on Feb 22, 2024 13:33:43 GMT 1
Who is voting for a price increase ? So we increase ticket prices by 100 quid loose a few thousand off the attendance ? To pay for a few signings. Have they even suggested there putting prices up why the hell are you even talking about price rises . Instead of spending 1 million on replacing managers every 4 months just keep ticket prices same ta . Actually can’t believe people are asking for price increases utter mad that . Imagine paying more buying players for more and still being utter shite yes its been pretty obvious from many meetings conversations with Mr Nagle prices need to go up, the question is not about if they are going up but by how much would be acceptable to most or how they do it. What feckin meetings? Putting the prices up would be stupid . The majority of the casual fans would just sack it off . Why don’t the people who want to pay more email the club and donate that extra 100 quid . Put that in poll . Keep it cheap but you lot who want to pay more go and do it .. win win |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 22, 2024 13:33:46 GMT 1
I can count on one hand how many games I've been to this season where I was happy at full-time. Twice this season is the earliest I've ever left a town match in over 30 years of supporting the club. I don't feel, even at £249, we've had good value for money this season. Entertainment? Not even close for the majority of the season. If you're looking for entertainment go watch Man City. Either your a WUM or you've completely missed the point of supporting your local club. So we shouldn't expect entertainment and accept complete dross? I think it you who's the WUM. Paid up customers have been missing games in their thousands every week because of the shite they've been surved up and the stadium has been virtually empty most weeks before full-time, do you really think charging £100+ more per season card next season will encourage them to buy? I know exactly what it's like to support my local team, as I have for most of my life. Saying you only get entertainment if you support teams like Man city is a ridiculous statement and a complete cop out. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Feb 22, 2024 13:39:40 GMT 1
I can count on one hand how many games I've been to this season where I was happy at full-time. Twice this season is the earliest I've ever left a town match in over 30 years of supporting the club. I don't feel, even at £249, we've had good value for money this season. Entertainment? Not even close for the majority of the season. That's football |
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Post by crux on Feb 22, 2024 13:45:33 GMT 1
I'd also point out that one of the reasons we've 'had it way too good for way too long' is that the club retained the 2020/21 season ticket money in full in exchange for a price promise of £250 for the next 3 seasons. So ultimately those people haven't been paying £250 for the last 3 seasons - they've paid around £330 per season. You also got access to iFollow for the 2020/21 season, if you didn't ask for your season ticket money refunded. PS: I still think the club lost the list of those who had/hadn't had their season ticket money refunded, which is why everybody got the £249 price for this season! |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 22, 2024 13:46:20 GMT 1
Put prices up, lose fans. Simple.
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Post by Wingman on Feb 22, 2024 13:48:59 GMT 1
I don’t have a season card and haven’t for years but I do go to game when possible, so my take isn’t as valid as those do purchase season cards. However, as someone posted on a thread recently, maybe adding optional extras in such as a home kit, stadium tour, draw to have a hospitality box etc chucked in would soften the blow of a price increase? I mainly go and sit in the family stand upper tier, love it up there but wouldn’t really want to fork out over £350 max as the kids come with me and it then begins to add up. And fair play castlehillterrier, a decent thread. Good debates, not nonsense ‘ITK’ info. Keep it up. |
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Post by dumbo on Feb 22, 2024 13:51:01 GMT 1
Rather than increase season tickets across the board. Should look to offer more and get more money from richer fans and those that are not local. More hospitality offers and a membership scheme. For hospitality. I'd replace some or all of the riverside upper tier seats with the padded type they have in the centre. Then sell a premium ticket for those. Priced in-between a standard ticket and a box package. Include a pie and drink type meal somewhere (like the rope walk if not possible in the stadium), before the match with a guest speaker or meet and greet with an injured first teamer (we have enough of them). You'd need to manage the current upper tier ticket holders though. I know how contentious these seats moves can be. Invite them to a meeting first and discuss then give them something to make up for it. Then add a membership system for £30 -£50 or something. Membership gives things like; ticket offers, priority away tickets, season audio pass and more video content, club shop offers, try to do a deal for Chickens podcast etc. Maybe some voting rights to elect a fan representative to the board or other positions. these ideas could actually all help, but even with these the basic season ticket needs to increase in some way. I disagree, at least by any meaningful increae. We might be in league 1 next season and have been shit all season. A big price increase would be very short sighted and backfire worse than sacking Warnock did. If the club wants more money from people it will have to do more for it, or they will sell a lot less tickets. Add the membership idea as compulsory for a season ticket for instance, but just a flat increase will see a massive decline in purchase. What Dean Hoyle figured was he could sell 20,000 at £250 or 10,000 at £500. With the cheaper price and higher attendance he could sell more sponsorship, food and drink, shirts etc. So that's what we did. It's stale now but needs a creative idea not just putting the prices up. |
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 22, 2024 13:55:11 GMT 1
interesting, but its those who are paying the lowest prices in the championship that are demanding we sack the manager every 4 months isnt it?  Put them up to 1000 pound then fucking guaranteed prem winners by 2026 . Spuds pay 2k and still got no chance 😂😂 |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 22, 2024 13:55:43 GMT 1
Anything over 300 and il have to give it a miss.
Commuting from Penrith for the games are a cost on top of it.
If I still loved locally then I wouldn't mind paying 350.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 22, 2024 13:59:51 GMT 1
Who is voting for a price increase ? So we increase ticket prices by 100 quid loose a few thousand off the attendance ? To pay for a few signings. Have they even suggested there putting prices up why the hell are you even talking about price rises . Instead of spending 1 million on replacing managers every 4 months just keep ticket prices same ta . Actually can’t believe people are asking for price increases utter mad that . Imagine paying more buying players for more and still being utter shite interesting, but its those who are paying the lowest prices in the championship that are demanding we sack the manager every 4 months isnt it? Is it our fault the club have kept picking useless wankers to manage the team 🤔 |
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 22, 2024 14:03:38 GMT 1
interesting, but its those who are paying the lowest prices in the championship that are demanding we sack the manager every 4 months isnt it? Is it our fault the club have kept picking useless wankers to manage the team 🤔 Partly. It’s obvious on this thread many don’t want to pay any more. So the budget is obviously affected. The budget for managers. Interesting, it just like at my work. There’s never enough money to do the right thing, but there’s always enough to fix it when it goes wrong |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Feb 22, 2024 14:04:14 GMT 1
Anything over 300 and il have to give it a miss. Commuting from Penrith for the games are a cost on top of it. If I still loved locally then I wouldn't mind paying 350. Plenty have long journeys for home games (about 450 mile round trip for me for instance) so the cost of petrol (or train tickets) far exceeds the cost of an actual ticket. Do you actually need a ST? I’ve had one in the past but for various reasons I know I’ll only get to half the home games (at most), so I just order a ticket for the games I can make. Just because a ST might increase in price much higher than the rate of inflation shouldn’t mean you can’t still watch HTAFC at home if you want to. There are choices. |
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Post by King Neil on Feb 22, 2024 14:05:00 GMT 1
Rather than increase season tickets across the board. Should look to offer more and get more money from richer fans and those that are not local. More hospitality offers and a membership scheme. For hospitality. I'd replace some or all of the riverside upper tier seats with the padded type they have in the centre. Then sell a premium ticket for those. Priced in-between a standard ticket and a box package. Include a pie and drink type meal somewhere (like the rope walk if not possible in the stadium), before the match with a guest speaker or meet and greet with an injured first teamer (we have enough of them). You'd need to manage the current upper tier ticket holders though. I know how contentious these seats moves can be. Invite them to a meeting first and discuss then give them something to make up for it. Then add a membership system for £30 -£50 or something. Membership gives things like; ticket offers, priority away tickets, season audio pass and more video content, club shop offers, try to do a deal for Chickens podcast etc. Maybe some voting rights to elect a fan representative to the board or other positions. I have spent years In the Riverside Upper tier...and years not even being able to see the score board!!...so charge us more for that inconvenience?? |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 22, 2024 14:06:26 GMT 1
Anything over 300 and il have to give it a miss. Commuting from Penrith for the games are a cost on top of it. If I still loved locally then I wouldn't mind paying 350. Plenty have long journeys for home games (about 450 mile round trip for me for instance) so the cost of petrol (or train tickets) far exceeds the cost of an actual ticket. Do you actually need a ST? I’ve had one in the past but for various reasons I now know I’ll only get to half the home games (at most), so I just order a ticket for the games I can make. Just because a ST might increase in price much higher than the rate of inflation shouldn’t mean you can’t still watch HTAFC at home if you want to. There are choices. I make every Saturday home game, chance to meet my father and grandfather too and we all sit together and have done as long as i can remember. I do get your point though. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2024 14:09:03 GMT 1
I can count on one hand how many games I've been to this season where I was happy at full-time. Twice this season is the earliest I've ever left a town match in over 30 years of supporting the club. I don't feel, even at £249, we've had good value for money this season. Entertainment? Not even close for the majority of the season. If you're looking for entertainment go watch Man City. Either your a WUM or you've completely missed the point of supporting your local club. Or value for money youd be better off in a supermarket not a sports arena. |
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 22, 2024 14:10:07 GMT 1
I think what many fail to take into account is inflation. The overheads and running costs must be far higher than what they were when the 249 tickets were announced. The club can't keep subsidising this AND be expected to sign better quality players.
Also, 249 is not the norm. Its the exception. If we want to get rid of this tiny town syndrome we need to start thinking bigger. These players will cost money and we need to raise revenue to do that.
I understand many can't afford, however if you are demanding prices stay the same or a miniscule increase due to your principles then your principles need to be addressed as we are going to end up being left behind as a result.
I am by no means wealthy, I live payday to payday but I recognise that a season ticket in one of the best leagues in the world should be worth more than £250.
If we increase prices and we deliver a better quality product, challenging at the top end of the table then nobody will be complaining.
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Post by boooothy on Feb 22, 2024 14:16:53 GMT 1
Put prices up, lose fans. Simple. Fan is an abbreviation of fanatic. You won’t lose them but you would lose the casuals short term but they will be back at Christmas when it’s obvious we are going up. |
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Post by dumbo on Feb 22, 2024 14:17:52 GMT 1
Rather than increase season tickets across the board. Should look to offer more and get more money from richer fans and those that are not local. More hospitality offers and a membership scheme. For hospitality. I'd replace some or all of the riverside upper tier seats with the padded type they have in the centre. Then sell a premium ticket for those. Priced in-between a standard ticket and a box package. Include a pie and drink type meal somewhere (like the rope walk if not possible in the stadium), before the match with a guest speaker or meet and greet with an injured first teamer (we have enough of them). You'd need to manage the current upper tier ticket holders though. I know how contentious these seats moves can be. Invite them to a meeting first and discuss then give them something to make up for it. Then add a membership system for £30 -£50 or something. Membership gives things like; ticket offers, priority away tickets, season audio pass and more video content, club shop offers, try to do a deal for Chickens podcast etc. Maybe some voting rights to elect a fan representative to the board or other positions. I have spent years In the Riverside Upper tier...and years not even being able to see the score board!!...so charge us more for that inconvenience?? Used to be the most expensive didn't it? Before the flat price structure. might be wrong there though. Scoreboard is fair point, and I prefer the standing sections personally, but having sat everywhere in the ground, the upper tier is still the best seats and facilities. |
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 22, 2024 14:19:00 GMT 1
I have spent years In the Riverside Upper tier...and years not even being able to see the score board!!...so charge us more for that inconvenience?? Used to be the most expensive didn't it? Before the flat price structure. might be wrong there though. Scoreboard is fair point, and I prefer the standing sections personally, but having sat everywhere in the ground, the upper tier is still the best seats and facilities. Hasn't KN already addressed the issue with the board? I might be wrong but I'm sure I read something about this being relocated into one of the corners |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 22, 2024 14:32:36 GMT 1
Put prices up, lose fans. Simple. Fan is an abbreviation of fanatic. You won’t lose them but you would lose the casuals short term but they will be back at Christmas when it’s obvious we are going up. Rubbish. |
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Post by stinkypete on Feb 22, 2024 14:36:22 GMT 1
I think they could get away with £350 across the board IF we stay up this season, AB shows he’s the real deal and we hear the right noises from the club (which we are doing at the moment).
I still think that would be good value for money.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Feb 22, 2024 14:36:46 GMT 1
I can count on one hand how many games I've been to this season where I was happy at full-time. Twice this season is the earliest I've ever left a town match in over 30 years of supporting the club. I don't feel, even at £249, we've had good value for money this season. Entertainment? Not even close for the majority of the season. Great idea!! £249.00, but you pay a bonus amount for every point! What about £1.00 per point, per game? At the end of the season, we get promoted, winning 50 home points, you have to fork out an extra £50.00 but who cares?!! 15,000 tickets x £50.00 =£750,000.00, EXTRA, or......half a Schindler! |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 22, 2024 14:37:29 GMT 1
Always a difficult one to judge when these things tend to hit the market before the current season is finished.
All things will be factored into a few different planning scenarios for the business plan, but for context.
Needs to consider TV revenues, which will offset the ST prices. Less room to manoeuvre if you’re in L1.
How much will pay on the day be? If it stays at max £25, then creeping up to an average price of £17.50 per game for a ST will make people think twice about paying for a ST versus walking up to 15-18 games a season. I’ve missed 2 or 3 home games this season due to circumstances, so moving up to a level where the break point becomes more attractive to pay on the day will be a consideration to some.
I’m hopeful of them being around £300, but I’m not voting on it as a protest that this poll wasn’t initiated by our resident pollster R76…
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 22, 2024 14:47:49 GMT 1
In an ideal world, I would like prices to stay the same. However, I think we've been spoiled since the 2016/17 with really low prices un DH and the time of low prices may well be gone.
I think £350 would be a fair price.
Unfortunately, if they go up to that price, I'm not sure I'd be able to afford one plus one for my son, whatever one for a 14 year old would be. So I'd most likely have to get one for him, so he can then go with his mates which he wants to do next season, and then I pick and chose games and pay as I go.
However, come the time, if they do put it up to about those prices, I'll probably end up buying both on the Credit Card, then do a 12 month interest free credit card balance transfer and pay it off that way..... the never ending cycle of more and more credit card debt!!!
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