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Post by chadders51 on Mar 26, 2024 17:59:33 GMT 1
Stoke have held ST prices again. Seventeen years with no increase My Boothen End seat still £320 Mind you the way we’ve played for the last six years that’s overpriced 😡 I suppose it party reflects that ticket money isn’t such a big part of income these days Out of interest how much would your ticket be in the stand down the side of the pitch? I think it’s £420 |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 26, 2024 18:00:38 GMT 1
I've fucking heard it all now Im honestly sat here in disbelief that someone (who I’m 99% sure works at the club) can be so patronising and condescending about pricing. It’s scary that the club thinks categories/zonal pricing and increases will make us more sustainable with less fans in the ground. A big big shock next season for the club, who I think are very puddled, confused and ignorant. unfortuantly the pricing needs to be fair and sustainable, something needs to give and we will lose some season ticket holders by increasing the prices but if the performances on the pitch improve to the level the club want (pushing towards the top of the table) many of these fans will come back and pay the new pricing, the increased pricing is not going to be crazy and over £400 its going to be fair and with the correct intent shown in the summer then the majority will pay the new prices and be happy that the club are trying to improve. The new owner and his team are far from puddled, confused and ignorant they are a group of very clever business people who want to make HTAFC succesful somethings will be liked something hated at first but I have every confidence the correct balance will be found to help HTAFC be more succesful in the future. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 26, 2024 18:02:19 GMT 1
Im honestly sat here in disbelief that someone (who I’m 99% sure works at the club) can be so patronising and condescending about pricing. It’s scary that the club thinks categories/zonal pricing and increases will make us more sustainable with less fans in the ground. A big big shock next season for the club, who I think are very puddled, confused and ignorant. unfortuantly the pricing needs to be fair and sustainable, something needs to give and we will lose some season ticket holders by increasing the prices but if the performances on the pitch improve to the level the club want (pushing towards the top of the table) many of these fans will come back and pay the new pricing, the increased pricing is not going to be crazy and over £400 its going to be fair and with the correct intent shown in the summer then the majority will pay the new prices and be happy that the club are trying to improve. The new owner and his team are far from puddled, confused and ignorant they are a group of very clever business people who want to make HTAFC succesful somethings will be liked something hated at first but I have every confidence the correct balance will be found to help HTAFC be more succesful in the future.  |
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Post by m62terrier on Mar 26, 2024 18:02:52 GMT 1
You obviously benefitted from the Price Freeze. Not all of us did. In fact, I paid over 300 quid for my ticket last season as I didn't renew until late on. so if you paid £300 why are you arguing about prices from £300 - £370 unless you are in the upper tier and dont want to pay £370 ? with this range you could pay the same next year as you did this year with I am convinced a much better experience on and off the pitch. yes I had price freeze. So you are suggesting somebody in the Upper Tier will either have to 1) Pay £370 (an increase of 48.5% of £249) 2) Try and find a decent seat(s) in another stand, whilst waiting for others to renew if no decent seats are available. I think you might annoy people this way. I know other clubs do it but I think it would be a mistake to go down this route at this stage. If they want to do tiered options, make that clear in this renewal run and say from 2025/26, they will be returning to different prices for different stands. 2024/25 will be one price for all (I would go £279 at this point), then you can look to increase to £300-£370 next season for different stands, when we have also got a better picture of how KN will run the club. |
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Post by 2ellandback on Mar 26, 2024 18:05:14 GMT 1
Can I take it that you sit in the Kilner and want to pay a lower price? ?? Lower price? I pay £249 at the moment. I sit in the centre section of the kilner so if the club put them back up to what they were before Hoyle made them so cheap,,,so £350,.. then id be ok with that. Seems fair and is still way cheaper than fans at this level pay to sit in a side stand everywhere else. It could be £300 in the blocks nearer the corner flag and behind the goal, cos its not as good a view, ,,and hopefully even stay at £249 in the North lower. Apologies I misunderstood. I thought you were saying season ticket holders in the Kilner should pay less than in the Riverside when the view is exactly the same. |
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Post by Jello Biafra on Mar 26, 2024 18:13:40 GMT 1
I believe the term for this is ‘Shrinkflation’. In the hope that either/or Smithers/Nagle read this, I’m going to repeat a couple of points I’ve made previously: Tiered pricing in a (relatively) modern stadium is bullshit. The days of paying a premium to sit down, as opposed to standing on an (often open) terrace are long gone. One of Hoyle’s better ideas was to recognise this and price attendance accordingly - all seats are effectively the same. The one caveat to this is the Shit Stand Lower at the North end, which is still temporary seating. This area could easily be used for pay on entry and/or any other special offers. Anyone buying a football club nowadays should be willing and able to fund it out of their own pocket. Clearly maximising revenue is more beneficial all round, but if your owner’s brassic, a la Potless, then it’ll all turn to shit pretty quickly. Clearly the owners at City, Newcastle, United, Chelsea etc haven’t bought in just to piss about at the bottom of the league, they’re there to win stuff and grow their ‘brand’. In Town’s case, Nagle will need to invest in an attempt to get into the Premier League (with commensurate cash windfall), then invest again to stay there, all whilst trying to increase revenue to help sustain the new status. Ultimately though, Nagle has to be prepared to fund his indulgence and an extra £500k on STs isn’t worth a fart in comparison. To me, Hoyle’s idea of realistic pricing to maximise sales makes more sense. As long as what’s going on on the field is entertaining the concessions etc revenues will take care of themselves. It’s up to Nagle now to appoint someone that can successfully sell Huddersfield Town as a brand in all the places that that it currently isn’t, in order to bring in the missing £millions. In the hope that either/or Smithers/Nagle read this, I’m going to repeat a couple of points I’ve made previously: Anything of interest will be seen / shown to Mr Nagle Tiered pricing in a (relatively) modern stadium is bullshit. The days of paying a premium to sit down, as opposed to standing on an (often open) terrace are long gone. One of Hoyle’s better ideas was to recognise this and price attendance accordingly - all seats are effectively the same.
Good idea at the time to make it simple, its however not correct that someone sitting at the end of a stand with a poor view pays the same as someone with a premium view in the middle of a stand, a simple tiered system is fine as long as the pricing structure is not too different. Upper tier was more for a long time and the people sitting in there liked the fact they paid more as it was not many families and more relaxed for the older end. The one caveat to this is the Shit Stand Lower at the North end, which is still temporary seating. This area could easily be used for pay on entry and/or any other special offers. This is how it is used now Anyone buying a football club nowadays should be willing and able to fund it out of their own pocket. Clearly maximising revenue is more beneficial all round, but if your owner’s brassic, a la Potless, then it’ll all turn to shit pretty quickly. Clearly the owners at City, Newcastle, United, Chelsea etc haven’t bought in just to piss about at the bottom of the league, they’re there to win stuff and grow their ‘brand’. In Town’s case, Nagle will need to invest in an attempt to get into the Premier League (with commensurate cash windfall), then invest again to stay there, all whilst trying to increase revenue to help sustain the new status. Ultimately though, Nagle has to be prepared to fund his indulgence and an extra £500k on STs isn’t worth a fart in comparison.
It is important though to get the pricing fair and increase the income, if you said this about every area of income then it would not increase we need to increase income in all areas this makes the club more sustainable, Kevin may still put the same money in with the extra income it just means extra money can be put into the playing staff and it massivly helps with FFP rules. To me, Hoyle’s idea of realistic pricing to maximise sales makes more sense. As long as what’s going on on the field is entertaining the concessions etc revenues will take care of themselves. It’s up to Nagle now to appoint someone that can successfully sell Huddersfield Town as a brand in all the places that that it currently isn’t, in order to bring in the missing £millions. Dean did it for a good reason and it worked at the time, now the thinking is different we want more people to come to the ground and maximise sales but we also expect them to pay a little more, because the full match day experience will be improved at least that is the plan, a lot of this is related to stadium ownership and I am told one of the reasons for the delay of pricing is we are trying to get something fully agreed with the stadium, at this point we can annouce the season ticket deal along with improvments that the club are looking to do to the full match day experience, some of the ideas I have heard and possible investment and I am pretty sure nobody would complain about £50 - £100 extra for a season ticket, especially if on the pitch performances improve also. At the time of full ownership and control then all the matchday takings / profit would go directly to the club. little ideas I heard like discounts in all club bars for season ticket holders, club shop discounts for season ticket holders, and many other interesting ideas to give back to season ticket holders and at the same time try to increase revenue for the club. There are no shit views, Town play in a modern stadium with good lines of sight (Shit Stand Lower excepted). No one is stood below pitch level, on a shallow terrace with roof supports in front of them anymore, the Cowshed’s been gone 30 years. Entry to Leeds Road in ALL standing areas was the same price, regardless of ‘view’ and the new stadium offers way better, so there’s no difference at all. Also, there’s already plenty of seats, and I mean plenty, around where I sit (back of the Kilner, between centre circle and 18yd box), so anyone with a ‘shit seat’ near the ends must want to be there because there’s ample chance to move elsewhere. At a push I can see the argument for tiered pricing in the Riverside for slightly more pleasant facilities in the concourses (although the concession prices and inadequate service will no doubt be the same as everywhere else), but that’s more of a historic throwback to pre-Taylor Report times. |
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Post by Jello Biafra on Mar 26, 2024 18:25:07 GMT 1
Can I take it that you sit in the Kilner and want to pay a lower price? ?? Lower price? I pay £249 at the moment. I sit in the centre section of the kilner so if the club put them back up to what they were before Hoyle made them so cheap,,,so £350,.. then id be ok with that. Seems fair and is still way cheaper than fans at this level pay to sit in a side stand everywhere else.It could be £300 in the blocks nearer the corner flag and behind the goal, cos its not as good a view, ,,and hopefully even stay at £249 in the North lower. FFS Captain Tory, stop using the word ‘cheap’. Just because every other club is bum-raping fans doesn’t mean that Town are ‘cheap’. It’s relative. Football is massively overpriced just about everywhere, you should be applauding Town’s recent/current pricing and embarrassing the rest of the League into following suit. We saw during the COVID lockdown what a shit spectacle most sport is without the fans in the ground. The whole fucking League should be trying to fill their grounds every fortnight and getting commerce to put in the £millions in sponsorship etc because the atmosphere’s in the grounds make the games unmissable. |
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Post by hoggy1975 on Mar 26, 2024 18:38:57 GMT 1
Who are you to tell me how to support Town? I've forgotten more about this club than you'll ever know. not telling you how to support, telling you if I pay for your seat you are not having the ticket, I suggested buying your seat so you were not able sit there, hence the seat would be empty or given away to someone else and not used by your good self !........................... congratulations on knowing more about the club than me you must be getting quite old now, I retired last year and supported town since birth used to go with my dad back in the day since I was 8years old and had a season ticket since my late teens. You’ve said in a much earlier post that English wasn’t your first language. If you don’t mind me asking, what is your first language? |
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Post by Jello Biafra on Mar 26, 2024 18:50:57 GMT 1
not telling you how to support, telling you if I pay for your seat you are not having the ticket, I suggested buying your seat so you were not able sit there, hence the seat would be empty or given away to someone else and not used by your good self !........................... congratulations on knowing more about the club than me you must be getting quite old now, I retired last year and supported town since birth used to go with my dad back in the day since I was 8years old and had a season ticket since my late teens. You’ve said in a much earlier post that English wasn’t your first language. If you don’t mind me asking, what is your first language? Bullshit? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 26, 2024 23:49:42 GMT 1
?? Lower price? I pay £249 at the moment. I sit in the centre section of the kilner so if the club put them back up to what they were before Hoyle made them so cheap,,,so £350,.. then id be ok with that. Seems fair and is still way cheaper than fans at this level pay to sit in a side stand everywhere else.It could be £300 in the blocks nearer the corner flag and behind the goal, cos its not as good a view, ,,and hopefully even stay at £249 in the North lower. FFS Captain Tory, stop using the word ‘cheap’. Just because every other club is bum-raping fans doesn’t mean that Town are ‘cheap’. It’s relative. Football is massively overpriced just about everywhere, you should be applauding Town’s recent/current pricing and embarrassing the rest of the League into following suit. We saw during the COVID lockdown what a shit spectacle most sport is without the fans in the ground. The whole fucking League should be trying to fill their grounds every fortnight and getting commerce to put in the £millions in sponsorship etc because the atmosphere’s in the grounds make the games unmissable. Not sure what being Tory, if I still am, has got to do with it. If everyone charges roughly the same amount, but one club charges a lot less, then theirs are cheap..its practically the definition of the word! It makes me laugh how some are really trying hard to make out our pricing isnt even cheap! I agree though..in an ideal world all clubs would charge a lot less and players ( who at this level are nowhere near the top of their profession ) would earn a lot less to make that possible...£100k a year or something like that seems perfectly reasonable for a player at this level. But that isnt going to happen so its a bit of a pipe dream. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Mar 27, 2024 0:02:50 GMT 1
A Tory wanting to put prices up No way 😂
This voting for next year should include what we charge the kids ( our future) . That is just if not more important.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 27, 2024 0:24:23 GMT 1
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 27, 2024 9:44:21 GMT 1
not telling you how to support, telling you if I pay for your seat you are not having the ticket, I suggested buying your seat so you were not able sit there, hence the seat would be empty or given away to someone else and not used by your good self !........................... congratulations on knowing more about the club than me you must be getting quite old now, I retired last year and supported town since birth used to go with my dad back in the day since I was 8years old and had a season ticket since my late teens. You’ve said in a much earlier post that English wasn’t your first language. If you don’t mind me asking, what is your first language? Portuguese, my Dad was English and from Brighouse, my mum was Portuguese they met in Angola and I lived in many many places growing up. Finally at 17 I moved we moved back to the UK when my Dads work finished abroad. We did visit the area when I was younger seeing relatives a few times per year, on these trips we managed to make it to town games, my Dad was a massive fan only work stopped him going as often as he would have liked. |
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Post by mosher on Mar 27, 2024 10:30:43 GMT 1
You’ve said in a much earlier post that English wasn’t your first language. If you don’t mind me asking, what is your first language? Portuguese, my Dad was English and from Brighouse, my mum was Portuguese they met in Angola and I lived in many many places growing up. Finally at 17 I moved we moved back to the UK when my Dads work finished abroad. We did visit the area when I was younger seeing relatives a few times per year, on these trips we managed to make it to town games, my Dad was a massive fan only work stopped him going as often as he would have liked. That doesn't make English your second language, it makes you bilingual. English as a second language means you learnt it AFTER your parent/original language. EG my first language is English, but growing up in Germany I learnt the language locally, making it my second language. Are you saying your dad never spoke English around the house so you didn't learn it growing up or was dad never around? |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 27, 2024 10:34:52 GMT 1
Portuguese, my Dad was English and from Brighouse, my mum was Portuguese they met in Angola and I lived in many many places growing up. Finally at 17 I moved we moved back to the UK when my Dads work finished abroad. We did visit the area when I was younger seeing relatives a few times per year, on these trips we managed to make it to town games, my Dad was a massive fan only work stopped him going as often as he would have liked. That doesn't make English your second language, it makes you bilingual. English as a second language means you learnt it AFTER your parent/original language. EG my first language is English, but growing up in Germany I learnt the language locally, making it my second language. Are you saying your dad never spoke English around the house so you didn't learn it growing up or was dad never around? it is my second language especially written wise, I went to a Portuguese School until 14 years old, my dad was not at home much he was based around the world and we lived in Angola and just outside Lisbon while I was growing up, we spoke Portuguese in the house including my dad, i learned english for sure but not as much as young as you would think. If you grew up in Germany are you also an milatary child ? we only spent a year or so living on a base as mum didnt like it. |
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Post by mosher on Mar 27, 2024 10:40:00 GMT 1
That doesn't make English your second language, it makes you bilingual. English as a second language means you learnt it AFTER your parent/original language. EG my first language is English, but growing up in Germany I learnt the language locally, making it my second language. Are you saying your dad never spoke English around the house so you didn't learn it growing up or was dad never around? it is my second language especially written wise, I went to a Portuguese School until 14 years old, my dad was not at home much he was based around the world and we lived in Angola and just outside Lisbon while I was growing up, we spoke Portuguese in the house including my dad, i learned english for sure but not as much as young as you would think. If you grew up in Germany are you also an milatary child ? we only spent a year or so living on a base as mum didnt like it. Yeah, that's what I was asking, so I retract the original statement about you being bilingual, bloody foreigner Dad was REME for 23 years, grew up mostly in Germany with 2 years in Hong Kong and 4 years near Salisbury, the rest was Iserlohn, Hameln (Pied Piper town), Dortmund, Soltau and Fallingbostel. Loved it and hated it in equal measures; loved the experiences, but hated moving every 2-3 years in a time before Fakebook, Friends Reunited, Twatter and the like. If we wanted to keep in touch with anyone we had to write a letter and then POST it  Never actually lived on a base, always in family quarters on estates within German communities. |
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 27, 2024 10:41:46 GMT 1
Im honestly sat here in disbelief that someone (who I’m 99% sure works at the club) can be so patronising and condescending about pricing. It’s scary that the club thinks categories/zonal pricing and increases will make us more sustainable with less fans in the ground. A big big shock next season for the club, who I think are very puddled, confused and ignorant. unfortuantly the pricing needs to be fair and sustainable, something needs to give and we will lose some season ticket holders by increasing the prices but if the performances on the pitch improve to the level the club want (pushing towards the top of the table) many of these fans will come back and pay the new pricing, the increased pricing is not going to be crazy and over £400 its going to be fair and with the correct intent shown in the summer then the majority will pay the new prices and be happy that the club are trying to improve. The new owner and his team are far from puddled, confused and ignorant they are a group of very clever business people who want to make HTAFC succesful somethings will be liked something hated at first but I have every confidence the correct balance will be found to help HTAFC be more succesful in the future. You’re beyond delusional, just like the club. You’re ignorant and patronising. You have this weird curious belief that somehow fans will just come back like they leave. Categories and price increases don’t work, you’ve had evidence posted in this thread by myself and others highlighting Towns issues competing financially, you are too arrogant along with your club apologist mates to digest it. All you’ve done is repeat (what the club tell you to post) yourself repeatedly that the price currently isn’t sustainable. That’s fine, go back to 10k and a dead atmosphere, but don’t come on here and point the finger at fans when it does because all those that told you so have given you facts and views that you ignored. A time will come when the south stand is unsustainable because all those fans you keep calling entitled will no longer attend and it’ll be handed back to the away fans, then you can come back here and blame us all for not supporting our club. It’s over to the club now, you’re in for a shock. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 27, 2024 11:00:07 GMT 1
unfortuantly the pricing needs to be fair and sustainable, something needs to give and we will lose some season ticket holders by increasing the prices but if the performances on the pitch improve to the level the club want (pushing towards the top of the table) many of these fans will come back and pay the new pricing, the increased pricing is not going to be crazy and over £400 its going to be fair and with the correct intent shown in the summer then the majority will pay the new prices and be happy that the club are trying to improve. The new owner and his team are far from puddled, confused and ignorant they are a group of very clever business people who want to make HTAFC succesful somethings will be liked something hated at first but I have every confidence the correct balance will be found to help HTAFC be more succesful in the future. You’re beyond delusional, just like the club. You’re ignorant and patronising. You have this weird curious belief that somehow fans will just come back like they leave. Categories and price increases don’t work, you’ve had evidence posted in this thread by myself and others highlighting Towns issues competing financially, you are too arrogant along with your club apologist mates to digest it. All you’ve done is repeat (what the club tell you to post) yourself repeatedly that the price currently isn’t sustainable. That’s fine, go back to 10k and a dead atmosphere, but don’t come on here and point the finger at fans when it does because all those that told you so have given you facts and views that you ignored. A time will come when the south stand is unsustainable because all those fans you keep calling entitled will no longer attend and it’ll be handed back to the away fans, then you can come back here and blame us all for not supporting our club. It’s over to the club now, you’re in for a shock. Reckons he's been a Town fan since he was eight, then I'm sure he'll remember the days not that long ago when the ground was dead, less than 10,000 and we were doing nothing in League One. My overriding memory of the atmosphere in those days is the distinct sound of chatter. People would just talk amongst themselves rather than watch the football half the time. As you say, the club are in for a shock. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Mar 27, 2024 11:10:47 GMT 1
I could say , a socialist expecting someone else to pay for them,, but Im not going to. Keep banging that Tory drum you will definitely get the support of most on here.  ??They are a fine example of how to run anything into oblivion. I will keep banging the drum of promoting looking after the youth in this thread. Something the tories gave up on a long time ago. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 27, 2024 11:15:05 GMT 1
There was a point early in the last home game, where you could hear the players on the pitch shouting (I sit around the middle of the upper tier).
Imagine how more commonplace that would be with a few thousand less in the ground.
Hearing the players on the pitch isn’t my idea of a good atmosphere…
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 27, 2024 11:19:48 GMT 1
You’re beyond delusional, just like the club. You’re ignorant and patronising. You have this weird curious belief that somehow fans will just come back like they leave. Categories and price increases don’t work, you’ve had evidence posted in this thread by myself and others highlighting Towns issues competing financially, you are too arrogant along with your club apologist mates to digest it. All you’ve done is repeat (what the club tell you to post) yourself repeatedly that the price currently isn’t sustainable. That’s fine, go back to 10k and a dead atmosphere, but don’t come on here and point the finger at fans when it does because all those that told you so have given you facts and views that you ignored. A time will come when the south stand is unsustainable because all those fans you keep calling entitled will no longer attend and it’ll be handed back to the away fans, then you can come back here and blame us all for not supporting our club. It’s over to the club now, you’re in for a shock. Reckons he's been a Town fan since he was eight, then I'm sure he'll remember the days not that long ago when the ground was dead, less than 10,000 and we were doing nothing in League One. My overriding memory of the atmosphere in those days is the distinct sound of chatter. People would just talk amongst themselves rather than watch the football half the time. As you say, the club are in for a shock. Appreciate the opinions but I think you are very wrong on this one. It does come down to ambition and performances on the pitch if this improves next season and the ambition is shown with the investments into the playing squad then I am sure season ticket numbers will still be good even with prices around £300 - £350, and as the performances improve there will be others buying tickets to watch individual matches more than they are now. If we go in to next season expecting another season like this one and we have an increase in pricing then yes we will lose sales of season tickets, but that is not the plan. The club knew this season would not be an easy one and it was impossible to invest correctly in the playing squad last summer from a financial point of view and we also had a manager who didn’t want the players our team were offering him. I do believe that season ticket sales will start slower than normal with many waiting to see the level of ambition from the club this summer, but if the ambition leads to excitement / hope for a better season on the pitch then I am convinced the numbers will be good despite a moderate increase and still keeping our prices lower than most and cheap in comparison to other teams in our league. Please note all the above is based on championship football and right now the priority is on the pitch to get the results needed to survive this season. If its L1 football then my above comments would change and I expect a bigger drop in sales especially if the pricing is the same. I question if you would rather we show some ambition to challenge further up the table and pay a fair / cheap price but more than this season or if you would like a price freeze and no ambition and another season of struggle ? nothing is guaranteed in this world but I would take option 1 all day long. I know some will say why cant we have both but I really don’t think we can have both, the income streams must increase so Kevin can invest as he wants to in the playing squad and season ticket pricing is a part of this, a small part but we need to improve revenue in all areas to make the plan achievable. |
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Post by ram on Mar 27, 2024 11:21:24 GMT 1
Mars Bars used to be much bigger years ago! Now we pay more for a much smaller product..Just saying.  I believe the term for this is ‘Shrinkflation’. In the hope that either/or Smithers/Nagle read this, I’m going to repeat a couple of points I’ve made previously: Tiered pricing in a (relatively) modern stadium is bullshit. The days of paying a premium to sit down, as opposed to standing on an (often open) terrace are long gone. One of Hoyle’s better ideas was to recognise this and price attendance accordingly - all seats are effectively the same. The one caveat to this is the Shit Stand Lower at the North end, which is still temporary seating. This area could easily be used for pay on entry and/or any other special offers. Anyone buying a football club nowadays should be willing and able to fund it out of their own pocket. Clearly maximising revenue is more beneficial all round, but if your owner’s brassic, a la Potless, then it’ll all turn to shit pretty quickly. Clearly the owners at City, Newcastle, United, Chelsea etc haven’t bought in just to piss about at the bottom of the league, they’re there to win stuff and grow their ‘brand’. In Town’s case, Nagle will need to invest in an attempt to get into the Premier League (with commensurate cash windfall), then invest again to stay there, all whilst trying to increase revenue to help sustain the new status. Ultimately though, Nagle has to be prepared to fund his indulgence and an extra £500k on STs isn’t worth a fart in comparison. To me, Hoyle’s idea of realistic pricing to maximise sales makes more sense. As long as what’s going on on the field is entertaining the concessions etc revenues will take care of themselves. It’s up to Nagle now to appoint someone that can successfully sell Huddersfield Town as a brand in all the places that that it currently isn’t, in order to bring in the missing £millions. The problem with owners funding the club out of their own pocket is FFP especially for a club like ours.{apparently} |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 27, 2024 11:34:23 GMT 1
There was a point early in the last home game, where you could hear the players on the pitch shouting (I sit around the middle of the upper tier). Imagine how more commonplace that would be with a few thousand less in the ground. Hearing the players on the pitch isn’t my idea of a good atmosphere… Brings back memories of the old days. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 27, 2024 11:35:20 GMT 1
I believe the term for this is ‘Shrinkflation’. In the hope that either/or Smithers/Nagle read this, I’m going to repeat a couple of points I’ve made previously: Tiered pricing in a (relatively) modern stadium is bullshit. The days of paying a premium to sit down, as opposed to standing on an (often open) terrace are long gone. One of Hoyle’s better ideas was to recognise this and price attendance accordingly - all seats are effectively the same. The one caveat to this is the Shit Stand Lower at the North end, which is still temporary seating. This area could easily be used for pay on entry and/or any other special offers. Anyone buying a football club nowadays should be willing and able to fund it out of their own pocket. Clearly maximising revenue is more beneficial all round, but if your owner’s brassic, a la Potless, then it’ll all turn to shit pretty quickly. Clearly the owners at City, Newcastle, United, Chelsea etc haven’t bought in just to piss about at the bottom of the league, they’re there to win stuff and grow their ‘brand’. In Town’s case, Nagle will need to invest in an attempt to get into the Premier League (with commensurate cash windfall), then invest again to stay there, all whilst trying to increase revenue to help sustain the new status. Ultimately though, Nagle has to be prepared to fund his indulgence and an extra £500k on STs isn’t worth a fart in comparison. To me, Hoyle’s idea of realistic pricing to maximise sales makes more sense. As long as what’s going on on the field is entertaining the concessions etc revenues will take care of themselves. It’s up to Nagle now to appoint someone that can successfully sell Huddersfield Town as a brand in all the places that that it currently isn’t, in order to bring in the missing £millions. The problem with owners funding the club out of their own pocket is FFP especially for a club like ours.{apparently} Funny how FFP was used as an excuse in the summer, but was never mentioned in January. Almost as if the lack of spending in the summer was nothing to do with FFP...... |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 27, 2024 11:35:50 GMT 1
it is my second language especially written wise, I went to a Portuguese School until 14 years old, my dad was not at home much he was based around the world and we lived in Angola and just outside Lisbon while I was growing up, we spoke Portuguese in the house including my dad, i learned english for sure but not as much as young as you would think. If you grew up in Germany are you also an milatary child ? we only spent a year or so living on a base as mum didnt like it. Yeah, that's what I was asking, so I retract the original statement about you being bilingual, bloody foreigner Dad was REME for 23 years, grew up mostly in Germany with 2 years in Hong Kong and 4 years near Salisbury, the rest was Iserlohn, Hameln (Pied Piper town), Dortmund, Soltau and Fallingbostel. Loved it and hated it in equal measures; loved the experiences, but hated moving every 2-3 years in a time before Fakebook, Friends Reunited, Twatter and the like. If we wanted to keep in touch with anyone we had to write a letter and then POST it Never actually lived on a base, always in family quarters on estates within German communities. wow you travelled a lot must have been difficult, probably why my mum would not accept this, she loved her family and home life. Engineers very nice massive respect for your Dad serving the UK for so long, my Dad did 15 years and was in some awful parts of the world, he only finished so we could try and live together as a more normal family. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 27, 2024 11:36:05 GMT 1
Reckons he's been a Town fan since he was eight, then I'm sure he'll remember the days not that long ago when the ground was dead, less than 10,000 and we were doing nothing in League One. My overriding memory of the atmosphere in those days is the distinct sound of chatter. People would just talk amongst themselves rather than watch the football half the time. As you say, the club are in for a shock. Appreciate the opinions but I think you are very wrong on this one. It does come down to ambition and performances on the pitch if this improves next season and the ambition is shown with the investments into the playing squad then I am sure season ticket numbers will still be good even with prices around £300 - £350, and as the performances improve there will be others buying tickets to watch individual matches more than they are now. If we go in to next season expecting another season like this one and we have an increase in pricing then yes we will lose sales of season tickets, but that is not the plan. The club knew this season would not be an easy one and it was impossible to invest correctly in the playing squad last summer from a financial point of view and we also had a manager who didn’t want the players our team were offering him. I do believe that season ticket sales will start slower than normal with many waiting to see the level of ambition from the club this summer, but if the ambition leads to excitement / hope for a better season on the pitch then I am convinced the numbers will be good despite a moderate increase and still keeping our prices lower than most and cheap in comparison to other teams in our league. Please note all the above is based on championship football and right now the priority is on the pitch to get the results needed to survive this season. If its L1 football then my above comments would change and I expect a bigger drop in sales especially if the pricing is the same. I question if you would rather we show some ambition to challenge further up the table and pay a fair / cheap price but more than this season or if you would like a price freeze and no ambition and another season of struggle ? nothing is guaranteed in this world but I would take option 1 all day long. I know some will say why cant we have both but I really don’t think we can have both, the income streams must increase so Kevin can invest as he wants to in the playing squad and season ticket pricing is a part of this, a small part but we need to improve revenue in all areas to make the plan achievable. Did Nagle write that for you? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 27, 2024 11:38:27 GMT 1
The problem with owners funding the club out of their own pocket is FFP especially for a club like ours.{apparently} Funny how FFP was used as an excuse in the summer, but was never mentioned in January. Almost as if the lack of spending in the summer was nothing to do with FFP...... the summer was down more than one thing - budgets set by Dean that were kept by Kevin when he took over ( we did not reach this budget either in the end ) - The management team not wanting the players we had chance to sign instead they wanted players the club did not beleive were good value at the stage of there careers |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 27, 2024 11:42:16 GMT 1
Appreciate the opinions but I think you are very wrong on this one. It does come down to ambition and performances on the pitch if this improves next season and the ambition is shown with the investments into the playing squad then I am sure season ticket numbers will still be good even with prices around £300 - £350, and as the performances improve there will be others buying tickets to watch individual matches more than they are now. If we go in to next season expecting another season like this one and we have an increase in pricing then yes we will lose sales of season tickets, but that is not the plan. The club knew this season would not be an easy one and it was impossible to invest correctly in the playing squad last summer from a financial point of view and we also had a manager who didn’t want the players our team were offering him. I do believe that season ticket sales will start slower than normal with many waiting to see the level of ambition from the club this summer, but if the ambition leads to excitement / hope for a better season on the pitch then I am convinced the numbers will be good despite a moderate increase and still keeping our prices lower than most and cheap in comparison to other teams in our league. Please note all the above is based on championship football and right now the priority is on the pitch to get the results needed to survive this season. If its L1 football then my above comments would change and I expect a bigger drop in sales especially if the pricing is the same. I question if you would rather we show some ambition to challenge further up the table and pay a fair / cheap price but more than this season or if you would like a price freeze and no ambition and another season of struggle ? nothing is guaranteed in this world but I would take option 1 all day long. I know some will say why cant we have both but I really don’t think we can have both, the income streams must increase so Kevin can invest as he wants to in the playing squad and season ticket pricing is a part of this, a small part but we need to improve revenue in all areas to make the plan achievable. Did Nagle write that for you? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. what is the issue with any of the above do you not want HTAFC to perform better in the league or do you want to continue to pay L2 or lower pricing and have championship football if we continue with L2 pricing we will in time end up in L2, the club are trying to show some ambition and they will be asking for a samll increase to an already low price and still keeping the pricing very low in comparison. Kevin didnt write it sorry, I am guessing he is still asleep this time tomorrow he might be awake however ! |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 27, 2024 11:47:36 GMT 1
Did Nagle write that for you? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. what is the issue with any of the above do you not want HTAFC to perform better in the league or do you want to continue to pay L2 or lower pricing and have championship football if we continue with L2 pricing we will in time end up in L2, the club are trying to show some ambition and they will be asking for a samll increase to an already low price and still keeping the pricing very low in comparison. Kevin didnt write it sorry, I am guessing he is still asleep this time tomorrow he might be awake however ! I don't mind paying more if I see an improvement in our ambition and on the pitch. However, I don't believe we'll see much difference if the prices go up. It's funny how at times that the club have shown ambition, (such as 2016-2018) the prices have been the lowest they've ever been. Higher prices don't automatically guarantee competitive football. Having a clue what you're doing goes a long way to achieving success and sadly, so far anyway, Nagle has shown that he doesn't know what he's doing. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 27, 2024 11:48:25 GMT 1
Funny how FFP was used as an excuse in the summer, but was never mentioned in January. Almost as if the lack of spending in the summer was nothing to do with FFP...... the summer was down more than one thing - budgets set by Dean that were kept by Kevin when he took over ( we did not reach this budget either in the end )- The management team not wanting the players we had chance to sign instead they wanted players the club did not beleive were good value at the stage of there careers Why didn't he change the budgets? |
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??They are a fine example of how to run anything into oblivion. I will keep banging the drum of promoting looking after the youth in this thread. Something the tories gave up on a long time ago. 