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Post by htafcokay on Mar 28, 2024 17:14:25 GMT 1
You’re sat there with a smug expression on your face, thinking you’ve somehow been proved right, when all that’s happened is that the Town hierarchy have proved themselves to be sheep. They’ve just spunked a massive amount of good will up the back of a metaphorical toilet door. why have they lost good will, the club are saying they want better on the pitch and are going to try hard to improve this, the club are improving service and facilties, the club are trying to offer a better match day experience. All that is asked in return is a phased 5 year increase to get the pricing to a point where it is not the cheapest in the league (or many leagues) but one that is fair and on a par with others in the Championship. The onyl problem here is that we have had it cheap now for some time, I remember I think in L1 days paying close to £400 a year and we have had lots of inflation over those years yet the last few years I have paid £249.00, the club is correct in this approach IMHO and Jake clearly explains how we need to increase all revenue to be allowed to compete, Kevins money can only be invested how he wants if the club have a bigger revenue simples. "Matchday experience" again. No-one ever mentions it when we're winning games. I'm sure this mythical "matchday experience" will increase tenfold when people are paying more, and there's less people in the ground 😂 You're absolutely puddled. |
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Post by terrierneil on Mar 28, 2024 17:16:32 GMT 1
If it goes up by even a pound our group of 6 won't be bothering again. It's not worth the money as it is let alone paying even more.
I'll pay on the day on Boxing Day and that's it for me.
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Post by royrace on Mar 28, 2024 17:20:23 GMT 1
nice of Jake to pretty much confirm what i have been saying the last couple of weeks on this thread. Tierd / Zoning along with the increased pricing is fair and correct you pay for a better seat / view in the ground, the nonsense from some on here to say its the same sitting anywhere in ground is just not true at all, as long as its simple then this is a fantastic idea. It is also very well thought out and the pricing will not just go up to where it should be this season but spread over 5 years, its a must if we want to be challenging where Kevin wants the club to be. All good news and I still expect our season tickets to be lower than the majority of L1 or the Championship next season despite an increase. Saying what you've been saying because you knew exactly what was to be announced   Either that or what Edwards announced is just common sense and the approach anyone would take given the problem to solve? It's exactly what I would do, seems the logical and fair solution to me. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 28, 2024 17:22:05 GMT 1
If it goes up by even a pound our group of 6 won't be bothering again. It's not worth the money as it is let alone paying even more. I'll pay on the day on Boxing Day and that's it for me. the club will be very sorry to lose 6 or more fans but that is a strange stance that you wont pay more than £249.00 (or £299 whatever it was for others) I really dont understand how anyone can not expect some form of increase, form such a low price to start with. Its a shame, hopefully you will all be back once the performances on the pithc improve. |
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Post by Sparrow on Mar 28, 2024 17:30:17 GMT 1
Sounds like I'll be having to move seats for next season.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 28, 2024 17:42:16 GMT 1
when all that’s happened is that the Town hierarchy have proved themselves to be sheep. They’ve just spunked a massive amount of good will up the back of a metaphorical toilet door. Really? It sounds like the club know the income they get from fans has to increase and they explain why,,but theyre only planning to increase it..to what will still only ever be average prices at most, over a period of 5 years or so. And that to you is them blowing all the fans goodwill? Fuck me rigid! |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 28, 2024 17:43:28 GMT 1
If it goes up by even a pound our group of 6 won't be bothering again. It's not worth the money as it is let alone paying even more. I'll pay on the day on Boxing Day and that's it for me. the club will be very sorry to lose 6 or more fans but that is a strange stance that you wont pay more than £249.00 (or £299 whatever it was for others) I really dont understand how anyone can not expect some form of increase, form such a low price to start with. Its a shame, hopefully you will all be back once the performances on the pithc improve. If the performances improve. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 28, 2024 17:50:35 GMT 1
If it goes up by even a pound our group of 6 won't be bothering again. It's not worth the money as it is let alone paying even more. I'll pay on the day on Boxing Day and that's it for me. The thread summed up in one post! Bravo!  |
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Post by harris on Mar 28, 2024 17:57:55 GMT 1
Thought DTS’ point about low prices devaluing the product was interesting. I do feel like it is easy for people to not come to the game because the prices are dirt cheap anyway, so their initial investment isn’t really wasted missing a few games. 4,000 season ticket holders not showing
And also the point about Town’s season tickets being less than the average National League North side says it all.
Don’t really think anybody can complain about a gradual increase to be honest. We’ve been extremely fortunate to have them so cheap for so long.
Times are hard but if your season ticket goes up say £50 for next season, that’s £2 a game more - surely people aren’t going to stop going for that, are they?
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Post by terrierneil on Mar 28, 2024 18:05:20 GMT 1
Thought DTS’ point about low prices devaluing the product was interesting. I do feel like it is easy for people to not come to the game because the prices are dirt cheap anyway, so their initial investment isn’t really wasted missing a few games. 4,000 season ticket holders not showing And also the point about Town’s season tickets being less than the average National League North side says it all. Don’t really think anybody can complain about a gradual increase to be honest. We’ve been extremely fortunate to have them so cheap for so long. Times are hard but if your season ticket goes up say £50 for next season, that’s £2 a game more - surely people aren’t going to stop going for that, are they? Yes. Should be fooking paying us based on this seasons enjoyment value. |
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Post by harris on Mar 28, 2024 18:15:45 GMT 1
Thought DTS’ point about low prices devaluing the product was interesting. I do feel like it is easy for people to not come to the game because the prices are dirt cheap anyway, so their initial investment isn’t really wasted missing a few games. 4,000 season ticket holders not showing And also the point about Town’s season tickets being less than the average National League North side says it all. Don’t really think anybody can complain about a gradual increase to be honest. We’ve been extremely fortunate to have them so cheap for so long. Times are hard but if your season ticket goes up say £50 for next season, that’s £2 a game more - surely people aren’t going to stop going for that, are they? Yes. Should be fooking paying us based on this seasons enjoyment value. Think DH’s pricing has warped your view of what’s normal. |
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 28, 2024 18:15:50 GMT 1
Thought DTS’ point about low prices devaluing the product was interesting. I do feel like it is easy for people to not come to the game because the prices are dirt cheap anyway, so their initial investment isn’t really wasted missing a few games. 4,000 season ticket holders not showing And also the point about Town’s season tickets being less than the average National League North side says it all. Don’t really think anybody can complain about a gradual increase to be honest. We’ve been extremely fortunate to have them so cheap for so long. Times are hard but if your season ticket goes up say £50 for next season, that’s £2 a game more - surely people aren’t going to stop going for that, are they? 4k aren’t regularly showing because again we are stuck in another relegation battle (5 out of the last 6 seasons is it?) and watching a terribly run club managed badly and really average players, again! National league north sides rely on season card revenues because they don’t get TV revenue. If 12k renew next season at an extra £50 that’s £600k. To the club it’s a sum that could be made up by better commercials, better management, better player trading etc. that £50 (plus finance) to fans is a lot. People aren’t attending because the products been devalued, people aren’t turning up because it’s joyless going to watch town. The price of season cards has not devalued the product, the board has devalued it by running the club badly for so long. |
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Mar 28, 2024 18:18:02 GMT 1
It's quite an ask isn't it? Pay more and we'll improve the product. In any other world you'd see in advance that the product you were buying was better and then choose whether to buy it or not. There's a lot of faith and trust required in the transaction Town are proposing.
The bottom line isn't the amount Town are charging us, it's the overall income they are getting per game, including all the extras like food, drink and merchandise.
There will be a numerical 'sweet spot' which is the maximum income the club receives based on the SC/pay on the day, and the number who are prepared to pay that. Get that assessment wrong and you'll end up with a half full stadium and eleven and half players instead of the full twelve that helps to bring results on the pitch.
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Post by stevvy on Mar 28, 2024 18:22:40 GMT 1
Thought DTS’ point about low prices devaluing the product was interesting. I do feel like it is easy for people to not come to the game because the prices are dirt cheap anyway, so their initial investment isn’t really wasted missing a few games. 4,000 season ticket holders not showing And also the point about Town’s season tickets being less than the average National League North side says it all. Don’t really think anybody can complain about a gradual increase to be honest. We’ve been extremely fortunate to have them so cheap for so long. Times are hard but if your season ticket goes up say £50 for next season, that’s £2 a game more - surely people aren’t going to stop going for that, are they? Yes. Should be fooking paying us based on this seasons enjoyment value. Using that logic (which is fucking puddled) the vast majority of teams in the country should be paying their fans as most of them will have been miserable for the majority of the season while either fighting relegation or being bored in no man's land with nothing to get excited about and no doubt not a great product on the pitch. To be honest if your lot are gonna sack it off if it goes up even a quid, then to put it simply, fuck off. Unfortunately you can't guarantee entertainment value from season to season. This season, not so good. But next season could be a belter in terms of performances, results and entertainment. Or we could have a belting season, pay more for the following season, and it then be shit. Nobody knows. Everyone has their limits as to what they can pay and will pay, but saying if it goes up even a quid means your lot will sack it off, then quite frankly that's embarassingly pathetic. If it was going up £150 I could see your point (and I'd possibly agree with you to a degree), but £1? No. |
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Post by townarentbest on Mar 28, 2024 18:29:43 GMT 1
I might be in a minority here but I agree with zonal pricing. Those who have more disposable income can choose to have a better view of the game. Hopefully mitigating the level of increase for folk who are struggling. It makes complete sense. It is a far superior view from the Riverside Upper and Kilner (again, at the higher levels) than the North and South stands. The more central the seat/block the better too. I’ve only been in the Director’s box once, many years ago, but it was a surprisingly much inferior view to the one I have in the Riverside upper. Similarly, having your retinas burnt out on occasion in the north stand can’t be fun! All opinons. The handful of times I've been in Riverside Upper I've found it to be a POOR view - feels very detached from the action, a bit like watching a boring game on TV, and in quite a few seats you can't even glance at the scoreboard to see the minutes. Oddly enough, the back row of the North Stand Lower is probably the best view I've had, in terms of being closely involved in the action and getting that tactical view laid out in front of you (if you're used to playing and seeing the game laid out in front of you a la Sensible Soccer, as opposed to the TV/FIFA'xx sideline style view). 1 season in the North Stand Lower was plenty though, for other reasons!! |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Mar 28, 2024 18:38:18 GMT 1
It makes complete sense. It is a far superior view from the Riverside Upper and Kilner (again, at the higher levels) than the North and South stands. The more central the seat/block the better too. I’ve only been in the Director’s box once, many years ago, but it was a surprisingly much inferior view to the one I have in the Riverside upper. Similarly, having your retinas burnt out on occasion in the north stand can’t be fun! All opinons. The handful of times I've been in Riverside Upper I've found it to be a POOR view - feels very detached from the action, a bit like watching a boring game on TV, and in quite a few seats you can't even glance at the scoreboard to see the minutes. Oddly enough, the back row of the North Stand Lower is probably the best view I've had, in terms of being closely involved in the action and getting that tactical view laid out in front of you (if you're used to playing and seeing the game laid out in front of you a la Sensible Soccer, as opposed to the TV/FIFA'xx sideline style view). 1 season in the North Stand Lower was plenty though, for other reasons!! If that’s your feeling you will be pleased if they make behind the goals the cheaper seats , personally I do think behind the goals are the worst views and wouldn’t sit in the north stand for love nor money. The south stand at least offers atmospheric match pleasures( but put the prices up that will quickly disappear ) but I do feel the kilner and riverside are better viewing platforms and therefore should be charged more for that advantage. |
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Post by harris on Mar 28, 2024 18:40:15 GMT 1
Thought DTS’ point about low prices devaluing the product was interesting. I do feel like it is easy for people to not come to the game because the prices are dirt cheap anyway, so their initial investment isn’t really wasted missing a few games. 4,000 season ticket holders not showing And also the point about Town’s season tickets being less than the average National League North side says it all. Don’t really think anybody can complain about a gradual increase to be honest. We’ve been extremely fortunate to have them so cheap for so long. Times are hard but if your season ticket goes up say £50 for next season, that’s £2 a game more - surely people aren’t going to stop going for that, are they? 4k aren’t regularly showing because again we are stuck in another relegation battle (5 out of the last 6 seasons is it?) and watching a terribly run club managed badly and really average players, again! National league north sides rely on season card revenues because they don’t get TV revenue. If 12k renew next season at an extra £50 that’s £600k. To the club it’s a sum that could be made up by better commercials, better management, better player trading etc. that £50 (plus finance) to fans is a lot. People aren’t attending because the products been devalued, people aren’t turning up because it’s joyless going to watch town. The price of season cards has not devalued the product, the board has devalued it by running the club badly for so long. All fair points. On the extra revenue point, I think they’ll end up £150/£200 more in the next 5 years though. Which rightly or wrongly is then £1.8m - £2.4m more per season (if, big IF we sell 12k). And £5-£10m over the 5 year period with gradual increases. It’s a real catch 22, but gradual increases, to me, seem the fairest way to reach a compromise. I.e. pay more, but we have a better squad, are challenging at the top end of the championship, better matchday experience. Even if we went down, I bet most would renew for £300 for a league one promotion. Question is, can the club deliver this or is the ‘product’ going to remain unchanged? I don’t think it can change until the club brings in more revenue - I’d be happy to do my bit to help it happen personally. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Mar 28, 2024 18:43:42 GMT 1
£300 behind goals
£325 kilner and riverside lower
£350 riverside upper
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 28, 2024 18:47:27 GMT 1
4k aren’t regularly showing because again we are stuck in another relegation battle (5 out of the last 6 seasons is it?) and watching a terribly run club managed badly and really average players, again! National league north sides rely on season card revenues because they don’t get TV revenue. If 12k renew next season at an extra £50 that’s £600k. To the club it’s a sum that could be made up by better commercials, better management, better player trading etc. that £50 (plus finance) to fans is a lot. People aren’t attending because the products been devalued, people aren’t turning up because it’s joyless going to watch town. The price of season cards has not devalued the product, the board has devalued it by running the club badly for so long. All fair points. On the extra revenue point, I think they’ll end up £150/£200 more in the next 5 years though. Which rightly or wrongly is then £1.8m - £2.4m more per season (if, big IF we sell 12k). And £5-£10m over the 5 year period with gradual increases. It’s a real catch 22, but gradual increases, to me, seem the fairest way to reach a compromise. I.e. pay more, but we have a better squad, are challenging at the top end of the championship, better matchday experience. Even if we went down, I bet most would renew for £300 for a league one promotion. Question is, can the club deliver this or is the ‘product’ going to remain unchanged? I don’t think it can change until the club brings in more revenue - I’d be happy to do my bit to help it happen personally. I'd much rather those employed by the club actually did their jobs and brought in more revenue rather than have it passed on to me and fellow supporters. What if we pay an extra 100 quid next seaaon and we're still shite? Do we add another 100 on the season after? Increasing season ticket prices does not guarantee a better team, or more success. |
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Post by harris on Mar 28, 2024 18:52:47 GMT 1
Yes. Should be fooking paying us based on this seasons enjoyment value. Using that logic (which is fucking puddled) the vast majority of teams in the country should be paying their fans as most of them will have been miserable for the majority of the season while either fighting relegation or being bored in no man's land with nothing to get excited about and no doubt not a great product on the pitch. To be honest if your lot are gonna sack it off if it goes up even a quid, then to put it simply, fuck off. Unfortunately you can't guarantee entertainment value from season to season. This season, not so good. But next season could be a belter in terms of performances, results and entertainment. Or we could have a belting season, pay more for the following season, and it then be shit. Nobody knows. Everyone has their limits as to what they can pay and will pay, but saying if it goes up even a quid means your lot will sack it off, then quite frankly that's embarassingly pathetic. If it was going up £150 I could see your point (and I'd possibly agree with you to a degree), but £1? No. Completely agree. What happened to being a supporter? It has to be a two way relationship for it to work. If fans are going to turn their back on the club over a few quid then we’re going to tumble. Ok, we’ve struggled this year, but we’re potentially 4 days from everything looking absolutely fine again. Who knows. Just when we have an owner willing to make the club better in all areas, something we’ve been screaming out for, for years. People are going to say ‘fuck that’ over a potential £2 per game. I think there’s a big divide between fans who are willing to do their bit to help the cause of making the club better, and fans who expect everything to be in place before bothering turning up. |
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Post by harris on Mar 28, 2024 18:56:59 GMT 1
All fair points. On the extra revenue point, I think they’ll end up £150/£200 more in the next 5 years though. Which rightly or wrongly is then £1.8m - £2.4m more per season (if, big IF we sell 12k). And £5-£10m over the 5 year period with gradual increases. It’s a real catch 22, but gradual increases, to me, seem the fairest way to reach a compromise. I.e. pay more, but we have a better squad, are challenging at the top end of the championship, better matchday experience. Even if we went down, I bet most would renew for £300 for a league one promotion. Question is, can the club deliver this or is the ‘product’ going to remain unchanged? I don’t think it can change until the club brings in more revenue - I’d be happy to do my bit to help it happen personally. I'd much rather those employed by the club actually did their jobs and brought in more revenue rather than have it passed on to me and fellow supporters. What if we pay an extra 100 quid next seaaon and we're still shite? Do we add another 100 on the season after? Increasing season ticket prices does not guarantee a better team, or more success. Well, tbf they are going to be doing their jobs by bringing in millions more by making season tickets average price from the dirt cheap prices we currently get. What if we pay an extra £100 and we’re good? It’s all ifs and buts but the intention is to bring more revenue in to make the experience better. If it goes to plan then I think that’s a fair deal. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 28, 2024 19:04:36 GMT 1
I'd much rather those employed by the club actually did their jobs and brought in more revenue rather than have it passed on to me and fellow supporters. What if we pay an extra 100 quid next seaaon and we're still shite? Do we add another 100 on the season after? Increasing season ticket prices does not guarantee a better team, or more success. Well, tbf they are going to be doing their jobs by bringing in millions more by making season tickets average price from the dirt cheap prices we currently get. What if we pay an extra £100 and we’re good? It’s all ifs and buts but the intention is to bring more revenue in to make the experience better. If it goes to plan then I think that’s a fair deal. Well so far, its been a complete shambles, so I've got no faith whatsoever that an extra 100 quid for a season ticket is going to see a massive improvement going forward. |
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Post by sabailand on Mar 28, 2024 19:15:24 GMT 1
I've read most of the replies and im still none the wiser, lets just wait for the prices to come out.
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Post by harris on Mar 28, 2024 19:18:24 GMT 1
Well, tbf they are going to be doing their jobs by bringing in millions more by making season tickets average price from the dirt cheap prices we currently get. What if we pay an extra £100 and we’re good? It’s all ifs and buts but the intention is to bring more revenue in to make the experience better. If it goes to plan then I think that’s a fair deal. Well so far, its been a complete shambles, so I've got no faith whatsoever that an extra 100 quid for a season ticket is going to see a massive improvement going forward. I do. And I think that’s where the divide in the fanbase lays. We spent millions in Jan. We might be able to do that every season and/or not have to sell best players if we can bring in an extra couple of £m through ticket sales, whilst doing similar through other revenue streams. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 28, 2024 19:21:38 GMT 1
Well so far, its been a complete shambles, so I've got no faith whatsoever that an extra 100 quid for a season ticket is going to see a massive improvement going forward. I do. And I think that’s where the divide in the fanbase lays. We spent millions in Jan. We might be able to do that every season and/or not have to sell best players if we can bring in an extra couple of £m through ticket sales, whilst doing similar through other revenue streams. We might be able to. But we won't. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Mar 28, 2024 19:22:27 GMT 1
Satisfying everyone is an impossibility. Compared to most other clubs it’s pretty obvious that ST’s at Town are very cheap, massively so in many cases. It’s always YOUR choice whether or not you want to buy a ST, nobody is holding a gun to your head.
There’s no guarantees in football, so just because five out of the last six seasons have been a struggle isn’t reason enough to demand that prices for ST’s remain at, or close, to current prices.
I’ve previously quoted what other clubs are charging for ST’s for far lower quality facilities, viewing quality and level of league football. Town fans have got a hell of a lot to be unhappy about but the price of ST’s isn’t one of them.
In my opinion!
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Post by gledholt terrier on Mar 28, 2024 19:43:22 GMT 1
It makes complete sense. It is a far superior view from the Riverside Upper and Kilner (again, at the higher levels) than the North and South stands. The more central the seat/block the better too. I’ve only been in the Director’s box once, many years ago, but it was a surprisingly much inferior view to the one I have in the Riverside upper. Similarly, having your retinas burnt out on occasion in the north stand can’t be fun! All opinons. The handful of times I've been in Riverside Upper I've found it to be a POOR view - feels very detached from the action, a bit like watching a boring game on TV, and in quite a few seats you can't even glance at the scoreboard to see the minutes. Oddly enough, the back row of the North Stand Lower is probably the best view I've had, in terms of being closely involved in the action and getting that tactical view laid out in front of you (if you're used to playing and seeing the game laid out in front of you a la Sensible Soccer, as opposed to the TV/FIFA'xx sideline style view). 1 season in the North Stand Lower was plenty though, for other reasons!! To put this in context, I’m on the very front row of the Upper tier, slightly to the right of the Directors’ Box below - best view in the ground I reckon. Having such a good view also means your opinions on tactics etc are far superior to anyone else’s 😉 |
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Post by bluebeard on Mar 28, 2024 19:45:33 GMT 1
Some people need to get real, some people will spend £10/20 a week on Coffee but the thought of a season ticket going up and its no way Joze. We have been spoilt over the years regarding season ticket prices but some fans will blame Dean Hoyle while others!! it makes you wonder if their fans at all.
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Post by terrierneil on Mar 28, 2024 20:11:24 GMT 1
I'm just sick of everything going up. If I can get out of it I won't pay it.
Mortgage and council tax I can't avoid it.
TV licence, I've cancelled that.
Internet provider, I've left them and joined another.
HTFC, if it goes up I won't pay it. And I doubt I'll miss it much either.
As for £10 a week on coffee? Not in my lifetime!
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Post by Big Ern on Mar 28, 2024 20:17:57 GMT 1
From the looks of it the club are saying that they know the product isn't what it should be and intend to invest heavily in the playing squad and facilities. If we stay up this season and sign some belters in the summer this will keep sales at a decent level.
Price increases must coincide with better squad investment because otherwise it doesn't make sense.
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