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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 13, 2024 10:51:37 GMT 1
Are we all Missing the point ? We have to increase revenue to allow Nagle to spend more on better players - so that we don’t break FFP. Or am I wrong ? We don’t need to spend millions on players, we need to acquire players wisely. Probably utilising data like Brentford did and having a good director of football and scouting system. We will always be a selling club.
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Apr 13, 2024 10:56:45 GMT 1
Are we all Missing the point ? We have to increase revenue to allow Nagle to spend more on better players - so that we don’t break FFP. Or am I wrong ? Footfall would be right down if prices increase. Club would be worse off. I don't think it's that clear, but certainly the club could only be slightly better off financially but at the cost of 4000 on the gate each week and to the detriment of the atmosphere. Which then could easily further impact attendances and results. I just don't think it's worth the risk of a big increase.
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Post by willo on Apr 13, 2024 11:50:43 GMT 1
I genuinely believe if the club increase season card prices, they are in for a very rude awakening on uptake. Also there's the new sky deal to consider, more live games means more arsing around with game days and kick off times, supporters do have other commitments TV is killing the game for the attendees. Was talking with a mate about this last night. We both thought this had come in under the radar somewhat, there’s been little about it on Sky, and it will definitely have an impact on gates if there’s suddenly going to be a whole host of Saturday lunchtime games.
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Post by iangreaves on Apr 13, 2024 11:54:25 GMT 1
Are we all Missing the point ? We have to increase revenue to allow Nagle to spend more on better players - so that we don’t break FFP. Or am I wrong ? I know it’s been done to death and dissected on here, but another £100 on every ST gains you £1.6m before tax and deductions. How does that equate in FFP terms? Does it mean we can spend the nett or is there a formula that says we can spend 4x the nett etc.? Either way, it’s hardly going to be the difference between us signing a ready made goalscorer, or someone ‘for the future’… Only if the same number of people buy season tickets.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 13, 2024 12:41:16 GMT 1
Also there's the new sky deal to consider, more live games means more arsing around with game days and kick off times, supporters do have other commitments TV is killing the game for the attendees. Was talking with a mate about this last night. We both thought this had come in under the radar somewhat, there’s been little about it on Sky, and it will definitely have an impact on gates if there’s suddenly going to be a whole host of Saturday lunchtime games. Sky will certainly be influencing EFL KO times next season. New contract kicks in which also means that NO games will be available to watch on IFollow after this season.
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Post by willo on Apr 14, 2024 11:09:05 GMT 1
I’m guessing it’ll be at least another week before we hear anything on this.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 14, 2024 12:34:42 GMT 1
Looking forward to the club trying to justify large price hikes after the shitshow they've served up this season.
This new regime has a bloody long, long way to go to earn the trust of the fans. To top trump last season in terms of a disaster season takes some doing but this lot have taken up the shitshow mantle and ran with it.
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Post by turbo2 on Apr 14, 2024 20:28:48 GMT 1
Spoke with loads of sc holders in the last week or so. Amazed how many are saying they aren’t renewing even though our survival is still not decided. Many of them 15-20 years sc holders.
Worrying
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 14, 2024 20:39:12 GMT 1
Spoke with loads of sc holders in the last week or so. Amazed how many are saying they aren’t renewing even though our survival is still not decided. Many of them 15-20 years sc holders. Worrying Only so many times you can watch the same turgid rubbish before coming fed up, lots of others things to do on weekends. I’d be certain although Castlehill claimed unlikely, prices won’t go up. Would be suicide, but then again 90% of the decisions this season have been so who knows with this lot in charge.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 14, 2024 20:52:21 GMT 1
Spoke with loads of sc holders in the last week or so. Amazed how many are saying they aren’t renewing even though our survival is still not decided. Many of them 15-20 years sc holders. Worrying People always say that. Give it a few weeks and folk end up renewing as what else are you going to do on a Saturday afternoon
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Post by space hardware on Apr 14, 2024 21:11:57 GMT 1
Spoke with loads of sc holders in the last week or so. Amazed how many are saying they aren’t renewing even though our survival is still not decided. Many of them 15-20 years sc holders. Worrying People always say that. Give it a few weeks and folk end up renewing as what else are you going to do on a Saturday afternoon Walking around, standing on rake after rake after rake, in the style of Sideshow Bob, would be more enjoyable and rewarding than watching Town at the moment.
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Post by boooothy on Apr 14, 2024 21:23:54 GMT 1
I can’t believe how many times i hear what we are watching is “rubbish”. I honestly don’t think it is.
I’ve not missed many games this season and struggling to remember many where we were not in the game and outclassed. Obviously the results are bad, we’re going down but it’s nothing like the Premier League relegation where attending was actually a waste of time.
Anyone who thinks the last few seasons have been awful entertainment /quality either haven’t supported us very long or have very short memories. I remember the days we could only dream of being in a Second Division relegation battle.
The days of Maskell, Cecere, Bent were sooooooo boring and most seasons ended in February. We drew Notts Forest in the League Cup and were wanking ourselves off that we took them to extra time and playing Southend in the FA was a big deal and the highlight of the season.
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Post by turbo2 on Apr 14, 2024 21:27:35 GMT 1
I can’t believe how many times i hear what we are watching is “rubbish”. I honestly don’t think it is. I’ve not missed many games this season and struggling to remember many where we were not in the game and outclassed. Obviously the results are bad, we’re going down but it’s nothing like the Premier League relegation where attending was actually a waste of time. Anyone who thinks the last few seasons have been awful entertainment /quality either haven’t supported us very long or have very short memories. I remember the days we could only dream of being in a Second Division relegation battle. The days of Maskell, Cecere, Bent were sooooooo boring and most seasons ended in February. We drew Notts Forest in the League Cup and were wanking ourselves off that we took them to extra time and playing Southend in the FA was a big deal and the highlight of the season. Jesus you must have bad eye sight. We’ve been bummed more times than I care to remember. And even when we’ve been in games we rarely look like scoring, creating very little.
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Post by canuckterrier on Apr 14, 2024 21:40:27 GMT 1
Was talking with a mate about this last night. We both thought this had come in under the radar somewhat, there’s been little about it on Sky, and it will definitely have an impact on gates if there’s suddenly going to be a whole host of Saturday lunchtime games. Sky will certainly be influencing EFL KO times next season. New contract kicks in which also means that NO games will be available to watch on IFollow after this season. Have to say I haven't been following the new agreement much, but that caught my attention. Is that just for UK viewers?
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Post by andyboothscat on Apr 14, 2024 21:45:24 GMT 1
I can’t believe how many times i hear what we are watching is “rubbish”. I honestly don’t think it is. I’ve not missed many games this season and struggling to remember many where we were not in the game and outclassed. Obviously the results are bad, we’re going down but it’s nothing like the Premier League relegation where attending was actually a waste of time. Anyone who thinks the last few seasons have been awful entertainment /quality either haven’t supported us very long or have very short memories. I remember the days we could only dream of being in a Second Division relegation battle. The days of Maskell, Cecere, Bent were sooooooo boring and most seasons ended in February. We drew Notts Forest in the League Cup and were wanking ourselves off that we took them to extra time and playing Southend in the FA was a big deal and the highlight of the season. Jesus you must have bad eye sight. We’ve been bummed more times than I care to remember. And even when we’ve been in games we rarely look like scoring, creating very little. Just what I was thinking. I can’t remember as many games where we’ve been sat in a half empty stadium at 60/70 mins or so with the game completely gone.
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Post by 2ellandback on Apr 14, 2024 21:48:59 GMT 1
Sky will certainly be influencing EFL KO times next season. New contract kicks in which also means that NO games will be available to watch on IFollow after this season. Have to say I haven't been following the new agreement much, but that caught my attention. Is that just for UK viewers? Yes still available overseas.
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Post by canuckterrier on Apr 14, 2024 21:57:27 GMT 1
Have to say I haven't been following the new agreement much, but that caught my attention. Is that just for UK viewers? Yes still available overseas. Cheers, thanks for that.
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Post by swam4mwg on Apr 14, 2024 23:46:25 GMT 1
Barnsley Adult Season Tickets start at £415 to over £500. Morecambe are doing an early bird Adult Season Ticket for £199. As seems likely Town will be in a lower league it will be interesting to see how the club reach a price for theirs. A significant price hike could see Town going back to the days of 9,000 diehards. I think the days of the cheap ticket could be over. 🇺🇸
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Post by BlueValour on Apr 14, 2024 23:57:24 GMT 1
Spoke with loads of sc holders in the last week or so. Amazed how many are saying they aren’t renewing even though our survival is still not decided. Many of them 15-20 years sc holders. Worrying That's what I say, each season, after some poor performances but I always finish up renewing!! Supporting Town is in my blood! If I stopped going not only would it blow a hole in my weekend but it would take away something that I like to (moan) (oops strike that) talk about. I suspect that many/most fans adopt this posture so I doubt that we will get large scale non-renewals.
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Post by sabailand on Apr 15, 2024 0:05:37 GMT 1
Barnsley season tickets start at $415 to over £500. Morecambe are doing an early bird Adult Season Ticket for £199. As seems likely Town will be in a lower league it will be interesting to see how the club reach a price for theirs. A significant price hike could see Town going back to the days of 9,000 diehards. I think the days of the cheap ticket could be over. 🇺🇸 We cant really moan can we, mind you some would moan if they were free.
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Post by townarentbest on Apr 15, 2024 0:40:28 GMT 1
Also there's the new sky deal to consider, more live games means more arsing around with game days and kick off times, supporters do have other commitments TV is killing the game for the attendees. Was talking with a mate about this last night. We both thought this had come in under the radar somewhat, there’s been little about it on Sky, and it will definitely have an impact on gates if there’s suddenly going to be a whole host of Saturday lunchtime games. It’s been announced everywhere that the new deals are always announced, and with great detail. I suspect most fans simply haven’t taken it on board, will be pissed off next season as the reality demonstrates itself, and then the following season is when sales will take a significant dive. Any move to increase prices over the next 2 years by Championship clubs would be a massive mistake…unfortunately this might not apply for Town 🤷♂️ I’ve worked out the odds…I wouldn’t be attending a 1230 Saturday game on about 80% of occasions…therefore I won’t be paying extra for a season ticket when even maintaining the price is a drop in returned value. Meanwhile some of our idiot fans seem to be demanding an increase !
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Post by willo on Apr 15, 2024 1:08:55 GMT 1
I can’t believe how many times i hear what we are watching is “rubbish”. I honestly don’t think it is. I’ve not missed many games this season and struggling to remember many where we were not in the game and outclassed. Obviously the results are bad, we’re going down but it’s nothing like the Premier League relegation where attending was actually a waste of time. Anyone who thinks the last few seasons have been awful entertainment /quality either haven’t supported us very long or have very short memories. I remember the days we could only dream of being in a Second Division relegation battle. The days of Maskell, Cecere, Bent were sooooooo boring and most seasons ended in February. We drew Notts Forest in the League Cup and were wanking ourselves off that we took them to extra time and playing Southend in the FA was a big deal and the highlight of the season. Give over. Under Warnock, I was back on board. Under Moore, I was doing 2 out of 3 games and those I did attend, you had to drag me out the pub at 2.40pm. I’m turning up out of loyalty presently. Least when Maskell played for us, we had a 20+ goal striker a season so you were near guaranteed to see us score. It’s quite simple for me. Stay up, I’ll renew and swallow an increase of £50, £100 and I’ll have to think about it. We go down and I won’t be renewing whatever. We may have been largely terrible this season but at least there’s been some decent football played by opposition teams. There aren’t many teams in League 1 I’d pay to watch us play. Besides which, maybe I just need a temporary break after all the recent “great escapes”, time to reset perhaps. Take in the odd game up til Christmas and if we’re in the mix, possibly get a half year season card. Plenty round by me are of the same opinion. The team have 3 games left to do something about it, ball is in their court now.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 15, 2024 7:58:18 GMT 1
Barnsley season tickets start at $415 to over £500. Morecambe are doing an early bird Adult Season Ticket for £199. As seems likely Town will be in a lower league it will be interesting to see how the club reach a price for theirs. A significant price hike could see Town going back to the days of 9,000 diehards. I think the days of the cheap ticket could be over. 🇺🇸 We cant really moan can we, mind you some would moan if they were free. People won’t moan, they just won’t go. Big difference
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Post by willo on Apr 15, 2024 8:12:08 GMT 1
We cant really moan can we, mind you some would moan if they were free. People won’t moan, they just won’t go. Big difference Given I think a lot will drop off next season, the concern for me is getting people back. It’s very easy to get out of the habit of something once you stop going. The only thing that will change things is a successful campaign next season; ie challenging for immediate promotion back if we do drop into League 1 or not enduring yet another relegation fight next time round in the Championship. I think a lot have had the stuffing knocked out of them.
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Post by terrier17 on Apr 15, 2024 9:20:46 GMT 1
Was talking with a mate about this last night. We both thought this had come in under the radar somewhat, there’s been little about it on Sky, and it will definitely have an impact on gates if there’s suddenly going to be a whole host of Saturday lunchtime games. It’s been announced everywhere that the new deals are always announced, and with great detail. I suspect most fans simply haven’t taken it on board, will be pissed off next season as the reality demonstrates itself, and then the following season is when sales will take a significant dive. Any move to increase prices over the next 2 years by Championship clubs would be a massive mistake…unfortunately this might not apply for Town 🤷♂️ I’ve worked out the odds…I wouldn’t be attending a 1230 Saturday game on about 80% of occasions…therefore I won’t be paying extra for a season ticket when even maintaining the price is a drop in returned value. Meanwhile some of our idiot fans seem to be demanding an increase ! Who has demanded an increase? I’ve seen some say they would accept paying a little more, but other than that….
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Post by Big Ern on Apr 15, 2024 10:10:03 GMT 1
Nobody has demanded an increase, its just ridiculous hyperbole to dramatise his post. Realists accept that in this world the price of everything has shot up, including the cost of running a football club...not just on wages but overheads on everything else.
We are subsidised by an entrepreneur thank god because otherwise we would be truly fucked.
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Post by 2ellandback on Apr 15, 2024 10:27:40 GMT 1
Barnsley Adult Season Tickets start at £415 to over £500. Morecambe are doing an early bird Adult Season Ticket for £199. As seems likely Town will be in a lower league it will be interesting to see how the club reach a price for theirs. A significant price hike could see Town going back to the days of 9,000 diehards. I think the days of the cheap ticket could be over. 🇺🇸 The average attendance at Oakwell 2022/2023 was 11,807. This season 12,571. We could see a significant drop in season ticket renewals if prices increased after a relegation.
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Post by townarentbest on Apr 15, 2024 11:53:23 GMT 1
Nobody has demanded an increase, its just ridiculous hyperbole to dramatise his post. Realists accept that in this world the price of everything has shot up, including the cost of running a football club...not just on wages but overheads on everything else. We are subsidised by an entrepreneur thank god because otherwise we would be truly fucked. From this thread... "If it rose to £400 I'd be happy" "Cant quite see why HTFC should be continually offering their support discounted season cards when virtually all our competitors dont?" "£300 would be fair" "So its hardly money grabbing....charging £350...And £350 is still well below the going rate. It would be in league 2, never mind the championship. It's unrealistic IMO to think £300 across the board is 'more than enough' for the fans contribution" "I think £249 is too cheap" "the basic season ticket needs to increase in some way" "The club can't keep subsidising this...249 is not the norm. Its the exception. I understand many can't afford, however if you are demanding prices stay the same or a miniscule increase due to your principles then your principles need to be addressed as we are going to end up being left behind as a result....a season ticket in one of the best leagues in the world should be worth more than £250" "I think £350 would be a fair price."
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Post by Big Ern on Apr 15, 2024 12:02:05 GMT 1
Nobody has demanded an increase, its just ridiculous hyperbole to dramatise his post. Realists accept that in this world the price of everything has shot up, including the cost of running a football club...not just on wages but overheads on everything else. We are subsidised by an entrepreneur thank god because otherwise we would be truly fucked. From this thread... "If it rose to £400 I'd be happy" "Cant quite see why HTFC should be continually offering their support discounted season cards when virtually all our competitors dont?" "£300 would be fair" "So its hardly money grabbing....charging £350...And £350 is still well below the going rate. It would be in league 2, never mind the championship. It's unrealistic IMO to think £300 across the board is 'more than enough' for the fans contribution" "I think £249 is too cheap" "the basic season ticket needs to increase in some way" "The club can't keep subsidising this...249 is not the norm. Its the exception. I understand many can't afford, however if you are demanding prices stay the same or a miniscule increase due to your principles then your principles need to be addressed as we are going to end up being left behind as a result....a season ticket in one of the best leagues in the world should be worth more than £250" "I think £350 would be a fair price." And? That's not demanding an increase, its a realism and acceptance that what we pay IS below the going rate and that it won't last forever.
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Post by buxtonboys101 on Apr 15, 2024 12:36:09 GMT 1
The big danger now with the club on the precipice of League One we are going to be asking fans to stump up for an inferior brand of football. Moreover, things have been poor on and off the pitch for a few years. If you throw in our penchant for the management to shoot ourselves in the foot so often, it leaves open the question of why should we pay more for bad management?
Furthermore a substantial price increase will definitely see a reduction in take up of season tickets and thus an even poorer atmosphere at home matches along with loss of revenue from food and drink.
What I am going to do is wait … to see what happens in the summer. I will then buy tickets match by match and therefore be more selective on who I see at Leeds Road. I will still splash out on away games although if we sink to the bottom of League One that might be even more off putting. However playing with more attacking intent will help.
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