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Post by Detective Boyle on Apr 10, 2024 0:34:43 GMT 1
If they put prices up, there must be a mass cull of players come end of the season. There’s no way they can seriously put it up when the players can’t pass to a teammate consistently.
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Post by willo on Apr 10, 2024 1:11:00 GMT 1
After that 2nd half performance tonight, they’ll struggle to give them away.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 10, 2024 6:35:51 GMT 1
I honestly don't see how they could ask, with a straight face anyway, to pay more for what is increasingly looking like League One next season.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 10, 2024 6:40:20 GMT 1
I honestly don't see how they could ask, with a straight face anyway, to pay more for what is increasingly looking like League One next season. They will though.
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Post by malcolmbrown on Apr 10, 2024 6:56:58 GMT 1
It's one grim season after another. Attendances next season will be miniscule.
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Post by dugnet on Apr 10, 2024 7:27:12 GMT 1
We need something to get behind and invest in, both financially and emotionally.
The debate about the price is immaterial. Pure economics suggest they will increase to a degree but they could offer them for free and it would take something for people to take them up at the moment.
The whole package has to be enticing and at the moment it is anything but.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 10, 2024 7:52:02 GMT 1
We need something to get behind and invest in, both financially and emotionally. The debate about the price is immaterial. Pure economics suggest they will increase to a degree but they could offer them for free and it would take something for people to take them up at the moment. The whole package has to be enticing and at the moment it is anything but. A guarantee that I won't have to watch those arseholes in a Town shirt next season will entice me.
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 10, 2024 12:41:43 GMT 1
Revenue increased from £16million to £125million when we went up. Season tickets could be free in Premier League and it wouldn’t touch the sides. There was a study about this a while back. Every PL club could give them away, yet many still scalp their loyal supporters. Football is run by accountants nowadays, underpinned by snake oil agents… More money in the game than there has ever been, yet more clubs have probably been in financial distress across the leagues than any previous eras. And less going into grass roots football than ever before.
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Post by softboy on Apr 10, 2024 14:24:57 GMT 1
If we end up with relegation then we pay L1 prices. Around 350 seems fair enough.
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Post by softboy on Apr 10, 2024 14:25:39 GMT 1
There was a study about this a while back. Every PL club could give them away, yet many still scalp their loyal supporters. Football is run by accountants nowadays, underpinned by snake oil agents… More money in the game than there has ever been, yet more clubs have probably been in financial distress across the leagues than any previous eras. And less going into grass roots football than ever before.
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Post by softboy on Apr 10, 2024 14:28:44 GMT 1
Why on earth would Spurs give a discount to a 70year old pensioner who has supported the club for 50 years, might buy a pint, doesn’t buy merchandise when they can sell that seat to a tourist who will spend, spend, spend. Doesn’t make financial sense!
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 10, 2024 15:24:14 GMT 1
Why on earth would Spurs give a discount to a 70year old pensioner who has supported the club for 50 years, might buy a pint, doesn’t buy merchandise when they can sell that seat to a tourist who will spend, spend, spend. Doesn’t make financial sense! I’m guessing that your post is in relation to this story & some of the comments? www.bbc.com/sport/football/68499071
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Post by m62terrier on Apr 10, 2024 17:09:31 GMT 1
The issue Premier League clubs have is FFP, so of course they will sell there tickets for as much as they can get. 6% doesn't seem particularly bad to me and I would expect ours to go up by a lot more than that.
The concession ticket is a tricky one. On one hand the over 65's are likely to be the one's with more spare income, more than say people in their 20' and 30's, but of course once you are retired, it is a fixed income and if you don't have a decent pension, it could be unaffordable.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 12, 2024 22:56:55 GMT 1
Any news on when we'll see the prices released?
It feels like they're waiting until our fate is decided, which feels a bit daft to me. Price them on the basis of being a Championship club, and price in a rebate (for those who buy before the fat lady sings) if we end up in L1.
Scratch that, I might buy myself a table saw instead... 😏
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Post by duncfost01 on Apr 13, 2024 8:28:59 GMT 1
Are we all Missing the point ?
We have to increase revenue to allow Nagle to spend more on better players - so that we don’t break FFP.
Or am I wrong ?
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 13, 2024 8:32:13 GMT 1
Revenue is more than just season tickets
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 13, 2024 8:58:54 GMT 1
Are we all Missing the point ? We have to increase revenue to allow Nagle to spend more on better players - so that we don’t break FFP. Or am I wrong ? You're wrong.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 13, 2024 8:59:45 GMT 1
It's not too late for the club to see sense on this.
If they don't, they won't know what's hit them when the number of season ticket holders falls off a cliff.
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Post by rockwall on Apr 13, 2024 9:01:13 GMT 1
Are we all Missing the point ? We have to increase revenue to allow Nagle to spend more on better players - so that we don’t break FFP. Or am I wrong ? Footfall would be right down if prices increase. Club would be worse off.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 13, 2024 9:03:37 GMT 1
Are we all Missing the point ? We have to increase revenue to allow Nagle to spend more on better players - so that we don’t break FFP. Or am I wrong ? Footfall would be right down if prices increase. Club would be worse off. Perhaps it's what's needed for the club to get the kick up the arse it needs.
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Post by dugnet on Apr 13, 2024 9:04:52 GMT 1
Are we all Missing the point ? We have to increase revenue to allow Nagle to spend more on better players - so that we don’t break FFP. Or am I wrong ? Revenue helps set the ratio for losses related to FFP. I'm not sure of the accounting rules exactly but I think some investment from the owner can be off set too.
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Post by drewden on Apr 13, 2024 9:09:49 GMT 1
Prices for Bolton now for next season is £179 for over 65s, over 75s £149, and £249 for adults, bargain if they get promoted.
Ours seems to be working the other way round, going up if we get demoted.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 13, 2024 9:11:31 GMT 1
Are we all Missing the point ? We have to increase revenue to allow Nagle to spend more on better players - so that we don’t break FFP. Or am I wrong ? I know it’s been done to death and dissected on here, but another £100 on every ST gains you £1.6m before tax and deductions. How does that equate in FFP terms? Does it mean we can spend the nett or is there a formula that says we can spend 4x the nett etc.? Either way, it’s hardly going to be the difference between us signing a ready made goalscorer, or someone ‘for the future’…
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Post by dugnet on Apr 13, 2024 9:11:42 GMT 1
It's not too late for the club to see sense on this. If they don't, they won't know what's hit them when the number of season ticket holders falls off a cliff. I actually think the price, although not insignificant, isn't the main issue. It's what people see on the pitch and if they believe the club is going in the right direction. If we get relegated the price could be cut and I doubt people would be enticed. The overall package isn't good enough. People will, in the main, return if they have something to get behind and support. The other thread about getting the JSS rocking perhaps showed that there is a little naivety about how people feel about the club? Irrespective of what people think has caused it we're all pretty much ground down by continual struggle.
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Post by dugnet on Apr 13, 2024 9:13:57 GMT 1
Prices for Bolton now for next season is £169 for over 65s and £249 for adults. And that from a club who have had significant financial issues in recent times. They are in a similar community with similar challenges. They are also likely to be in the Championship.
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Post by drewden on Apr 13, 2024 9:17:25 GMT 1
Prices for Bolton now for next season is £169 for over 65s and £249 for adults. And that from a club who have had significant financial issues in recent times. They are in a similar community with similar challenges. They are also likely to be in the Championship. Edited £179 for over 65s. Playing Portsmouth today at home, and last I read 26,000 in attendance.
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Post by dugnet on Apr 13, 2024 9:24:04 GMT 1
And that from a club who have had significant financial issues in recent times. They are in a similar community with similar challenges. They are also likely to be in the Championship. Edited £179 for over 65s. It's still a good offer and is a comparable that people will use when the club announce their prices. I can’t believe they will increase if relegated. If that is part of the plan they would have announced by now. The truth is it is another example of the relative mess the club has got into.
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Post by Orinoco on Apr 13, 2024 10:00:10 GMT 1
Are we all Missing the point ? We have to increase revenue to allow Nagle to spend more on better players - so that we don’t break FFP. Or am I wrong ? Footfall would be right down if prices increase. Club would be worse off. You are correct, fans are fed up its not just the fans who post on here, all the groups on social media and the fans I meet are in the same mindset, they should just freeze the prices whatever division the club is in, the club have really pissed the majority of fans off this season and even some of the most proper diehards are on the verge of saying sod it.
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Post by willo on Apr 13, 2024 10:12:25 GMT 1
Footfall would be right down if prices increase. Club would be worse off. You are correct, fans are fed up its not just the fans who post on here, all the groups on social media and the fans I meet are in the same mindset, they should just freeze the prices whatever division the club is in, the club have really pissed the majority of fans off this season and even some of the most proper diehards are on the verge of saying sod it. I genuinely believe if the club increase season card prices, they are in for a very rude awakening on uptake.
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Post by Orinoco on Apr 13, 2024 10:49:49 GMT 1
You are correct, fans are fed up its not just the fans who post on here, all the groups on social media and the fans I meet are in the same mindset, they should just freeze the prices whatever division the club is in, the club have really pissed the majority of fans off this season and even some of the most proper diehards are on the verge of saying sod it. I genuinely believe if the club increase season card prices, they are in for a very rude awakening on uptake. Also there's the new sky deal to consider, more live games means more arsing around with game days and kick off times, supporters do have other commitments TV is killing the game for the attendees.
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