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Post by dugnet on Apr 30, 2024 7:47:05 GMT 1
If you rolled up and bought a ticket, not discounted in the Terriers together stand, it would cost £575 for your season.
That is just under par per game in the Championship.
I'm guessing that average League One roll up costs will be similar (play off games between Bolton and Barnsley are £20).
I've had a season ticket going back to Leeds Rd days. I think in the late 1980s I was paying around £4.50 a game through my season ticket. That's around £5.50 cheaper than now, but it is 40 years ago.
I completely understand that it is difficult to justify any price for what we have watched in recent times but the simple economics point to the fact tickets are very cheap. We also have to remember the revenue just doesn't pay players it contributes to everyone else who is employed by the club.
What is a fair price and what are people prepared to pay are two slightly different questions. The latter comes down to the individual and their choice. The former should be judged against the roll up price ie what discount is offered for the loyalty of commiting to buying access to 23 games.
If in League One the roll up cost, based on the above, and accepting that both Bolton and Barnsley are similar sized clubs who also have very similar economic challenges in their communities, would be £460 (Boltons season cards are between £359 and £479 for an adult, there are concessions for snrs etc).
I'm afraid purely from a pricing point of view the economics dictates an increase.
If people choose not to renew that has to be respected too.
In every way we have the worst of both worlds. A compelling argument for the need to increase in line with similar clubs in similar areas of affluence but aligned with a club that has been failing on the pitch with which people have become disillusioned.
There is no sweet spot and we will lose season card holders. If fortunes improve on the pitch some lost are likely to return but I am a realist and understand prices will increase.
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Post by irverino on Apr 30, 2024 8:03:42 GMT 1
If you rolled up and bought a ticket, not discounted in the Terriers together stand, it would cost £575 for your season. That is just under par per game in the Championship. I'm guessing that average League One roll up costs will be similar (play off games between Bolton and Barnsley are £20). I've had a season ticket going back to Leeds Rd days. I think in the late 1980s I was paying around £4.50 a game through my season ticket. That's around £5.50 cheaper than now, but it is 40 years ago. I completely understand that it is difficult to justify any price for what we have watched in recent times but the simple economics point to the fact tickets are very cheap. We also have to remember the revenue just doesn't pay players it contributes to everyone else who is employed by the club. What is a fair price and what are people prepared to pay are two slightly different questions. The latter comes down to the individual and their choice. The former should be judged against the roll up price ie what discount is offered for the loyalty of commiting to buying access to 23 games. If in League One the roll up cost, based on the above, and accepting that both Bolton and Barnsley are similar sized clubs who also have very similar economic challenges in their communities, would be £460 (Boltons season cards are between £359 and £479 for an adult, there are concessions for snrs etc). I'm afraid purely from a pricing point of view the economics dictates an increase. If people choose not to renew that has to be respected too. In every way we have the worst of both worlds. A compelling argument for the need to increase in line with similar clubs in similar areas of affluence but aligned with a club that has been failing on the pitch with which people have become disillusioned. There is no sweet spot and we will lose season card holders. If fortunes improve on the pitch some lost are likely to return but I am a realist and understand prices will increase. What like Bradford City who just missed out on the play offs & set season tickets price at £249 regardless of which league they ended up in........Similar club in a similar area.
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Post by Floyds on Apr 30, 2024 8:12:11 GMT 1
I reckon £249 and if they do want tiered pricing, £299 in the Riverside Upper.
Anything beginning with a “3” isn’t going to be well received (or indeed, sold).
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Post by andyboothscat on Apr 30, 2024 8:13:27 GMT 1
We’ve had 42 pages now and it doesn’t really look like anyone’s taking on the other sides points and prepared to have their opinion swayed so hopefully we are put out of misery soon and the prices are announced swiftly!!!
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Post by boooothy on Apr 30, 2024 8:14:48 GMT 1
It’s a basic business principle. Never discount your product long term. You simply devalue the perceived value. Both Town and Bradford have made the same mistake.
Having said that attending games at Bradford City is a truly depressing experience. Those lot deserve some kind of award for turning up.
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Post by iangreaves on Apr 30, 2024 8:20:29 GMT 1
If you rolled up and bought a ticket, not discounted in the Terriers together stand, it would cost £575 for your season. That is just under par per game in the Championship. I'm guessing that average League One roll up costs will be similar (play off games between Bolton and Barnsley are £20). I've had a season ticket going back to Leeds Rd days. I think in the late 1980s I was paying around £4.50 a game through my season ticket. That's around £5.50 cheaper than now, but it is 40 years ago. I completely understand that it is difficult to justify any price for what we have watched in recent times but the simple economics point to the fact tickets are very cheap. We also have to remember the revenue just doesn't pay players it contributes to everyone else who is employed by the club. What is a fair price and what are people prepared to pay are two slightly different questions. The latter comes down to the individual and their choice. The former should be judged against the roll up price ie what discount is offered for the loyalty of commiting to buying access to 23 games. If in League One the roll up cost, based on the above, and accepting that both Bolton and Barnsley are similar sized clubs who also have very similar economic challenges in their communities, would be £460 (Boltons season cards are between £359 and £479 for an adult, there are concessions for snrs etc). I'm afraid purely from a pricing point of view the economics dictates an increase. If people choose not to renew that has to be respected too. In every way we have the worst of both worlds. A compelling argument for the need to increase in line with similar clubs in similar areas of affluence but aligned with a club that has been failing on the pitch with which people have become disillusioned. There is no sweet spot and we will lose season card holders. If fortunes improve on the pitch some lost are likely to return but I am a realist and understand prices will increase. But if by increasing the price of the ticket more season ticket holders don’t renew and you end up with less income overall and fewer fans in the ground how does that help?
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Post by dugnet on Apr 30, 2024 8:24:00 GMT 1
If you rolled up and bought a ticket, not discounted in the Terriers together stand, it would cost £575 for your season. That is just under par per game in the Championship. I'm guessing that average League One roll up costs will be similar (play off games between Bolton and Barnsley are £20). I've had a season ticket going back to Leeds Rd days. I think in the late 1980s I was paying around £4.50 a game through my season ticket. That's around £5.50 cheaper than now, but it is 40 years ago. I completely understand that it is difficult to justify any price for what we have watched in recent times but the simple economics point to the fact tickets are very cheap. We also have to remember the revenue just doesn't pay players it contributes to everyone else who is employed by the club. What is a fair price and what are people prepared to pay are two slightly different questions. The latter comes down to the individual and their choice. The former should be judged against the roll up price ie what discount is offered for the loyalty of commiting to buying access to 23 games. If in League One the roll up cost, based on the above, and accepting that both Bolton and Barnsley are similar sized clubs who also have very similar economic challenges in their communities, would be £460 (Boltons season cards are between £359 and £479 for an adult, there are concessions for snrs etc). I'm afraid purely from a pricing point of view the economics dictates an increase. If people choose not to renew that has to be respected too. In every way we have the worst of both worlds. A compelling argument for the need to increase in line with similar clubs in similar areas of affluence but aligned with a club that has been failing on the pitch with which people have become disillusioned. There is no sweet spot and we will lose season card holders. If fortunes improve on the pitch some lost are likely to return but I am a realist and understand prices will increase. What like Bradford City who just missed out on the play offs & set season tickets price at £249 regardless of which league they ended up in........Similar club in a similar area. What are Bradfords overheads compared with Town? I understand the comparison but is it an outlier (compared to the examples I gave). What do Leeds charge? Yes the immediate city is more affluent but surely a lot of their fans are in similar circumstances across the area? Before anyone says "yes but Leeds are potentially going back to the Premier League " I would note this: There is not a direct correlation between between the price we pay and the competence in using it to make the team better ie I don't believe that Town would have been any better in the last 5 years had we paid more for our tickets. It's not an easy balance but I was trying to provide a comparison that aligned with clubs of similar size and economic circumstances. Bradford fits the latter but their running costs will be significantly less.
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Post by dugnet on Apr 30, 2024 8:31:18 GMT 1
If you rolled up and bought a ticket, not discounted in the Terriers together stand, it would cost £575 for your season. That is just under par per game in the Championship. I'm guessing that average League One roll up costs will be similar (play off games between Bolton and Barnsley are £20). I've had a season ticket going back to Leeds Rd days. I think in the late 1980s I was paying around £4.50 a game through my season ticket. That's around £5.50 cheaper than now, but it is 40 years ago. I completely understand that it is difficult to justify any price for what we have watched in recent times but the simple economics point to the fact tickets are very cheap. We also have to remember the revenue just doesn't pay players it contributes to everyone else who is employed by the club. What is a fair price and what are people prepared to pay are two slightly different questions. The latter comes down to the individual and their choice. The former should be judged against the roll up price ie what discount is offered for the loyalty of commiting to buying access to 23 games. If in League One the roll up cost, based on the above, and accepting that both Bolton and Barnsley are similar sized clubs who also have very similar economic challenges in their communities, would be £460 (Boltons season cards are between £359 and £479 for an adult, there are concessions for snrs etc). I'm afraid purely from a pricing point of view the economics dictates an increase. If people choose not to renew that has to be respected too. In every way we have the worst of both worlds. A compelling argument for the need to increase in line with similar clubs in similar areas of affluence but aligned with a club that has been failing on the pitch with which people have become disillusioned. There is no sweet spot and we will lose season card holders. If fortunes improve on the pitch some lost are likely to return but I am a realist and understand prices will increase. But if by increasing the price of the ticket more season ticket holders don’t renew and you end up with less income overall and fewer fans in the ground how does that help? That's the balance isn't it? Let's be honest you could offer tickets for 10p right now and some will not bother (and I certainly wouldn't blame them at all). As I said there's no easy sweet spot. I would imagine the club have a revenue target they want to achieve. I'm not sure the numbers through the gate will be the number one priority, because they know if things do improve on the pitch people will start to come back. The big problem is if things don't improve on the pitch. Then they will have a real challenge. I'm just being realistic about the economics. That would be easier for people to swallow where things on the pitch better the fact they aren't makes for a perfect storm of sorts.
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Post by irverino on Apr 30, 2024 8:40:46 GMT 1
What like Bradford City who just missed out on the play offs & set season tickets price at £249 regardless of which league they ended up in........Similar club in a similar area. What are Bradfords overheads compared with Town? I understand the comparison but is it an outlier (compared to the examples I gave). What do Leeds charge? Yes the immediate city is more affluent but surely a lot of their fans are in similar circumstances across the area? Before anyone says "yes but Leeds are potentially going back to the Premier League " I would note this: There is not a direct correlation between between the price we pay and the competence in using it to make the team better ie I don't believe that Town would have been any better in the last 5 years had we paid more for our tickets. It's not an easy balance but I was trying to provide a comparison that aligned with clubs of similar size and economic circumstances. Bradford fits the latter but their running costs will be significantly less. So I'm guessing like me you were one of the 4500 that benefitted from the 'premier pledge' & mainly because you would still go without any sort of offer/deal.....If Kev started 'premier pledge 2' do you think that number would be a lot higher this time round if we succeeded?
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Post by dugnet on Apr 30, 2024 11:01:30 GMT 1
What are Bradfords overheads compared with Town? I understand the comparison but is it an outlier (compared to the examples I gave). What do Leeds charge? Yes the immediate city is more affluent but surely a lot of their fans are in similar circumstances across the area? Before anyone says "yes but Leeds are potentially going back to the Premier League " I would note this: There is not a direct correlation between between the price we pay and the competence in using it to make the team better ie I don't believe that Town would have been any better in the last 5 years had we paid more for our tickets. It's not an easy balance but I was trying to provide a comparison that aligned with clubs of similar size and economic circumstances. Bradford fits the latter but their running costs will be significantly less. So I'm guessing like me you were one of the 4500 that benefitted from the 'premier pledge' & mainly because you would still go without any sort of offer/deal.....If Kev started 'premier pledge 2' do you think that number would be a lot higher this time round if we succeeded? I was one of the 4500 - I support Town, it is the classic blessing or a curse. I am no different to everyone else though there would be a point when I might think "I am not being offered value" and make a call (on whether to renew). What I hear from Mr Nagle will influence me, but that said I am highly likely to renew. I would just say I would not judge anyone who chooses not to renew. If they still care about HTAFC and take an interest then they are Town fans. I certainly wouldn't tell anyone what they should be paying ie I do understand why people think the prices need to be frozen. I am just trying to present the rounded argument. In answer to the question to the premier Pledge 2 - that only is credible if there is a plan and actions that give you hope the club is going to progress. I suppose what I mean by that is that irrespective of the price it's what happens on the pitch that will determine who comes through the turnstiles. Right now I need to hear what Mr Nagle has to say in order to make any predictions. Based on the past year you can't be too hopeful, that doesn't mean he can't turn it round, but he needs to. I hope that explains my rationale.
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Post by irverino on Apr 30, 2024 11:10:04 GMT 1
The 1st & only message from Mr Nagle is that he will get Town promoted within 12 months & back to the Championship from where he purchased the club......If he wants Premier league asap then he needs to employ some better qualified decision makers PDQ.
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Post by townarentbest on Apr 30, 2024 11:13:10 GMT 1
Not sure when season tickets for terraces started at Town, I remember we had a family/group ticket in the early 70's so it may well be then chairman Frank Drabble who started them. Its interesting, I was only at Leeds Road for a few seasons, but wasnt even aware there was such a thing as a season ticket until we moved ground - and I was attending 20+ home games a season without fail barring whilst away at Uni when it was more like 10. You turned up, handed over cash and got in, thats how it worked. Home AND Away!
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Post by irverino on Apr 30, 2024 11:26:36 GMT 1
Not sure when season tickets for terraces started at Town, I remember we had a family/group ticket in the early 70's so it may well be then chairman Frank Drabble who started them. Its interesting, I was only at Leeds Road for a few seasons, but wasnt even aware there was such a thing as a season ticket until we moved ground - and I was attending 20+ home games a season without fail barring whilst away at Uni when it was more like 10. You turned up, handed over cash and got in, thats how it worked. Home AND Away! For the 1st few years I'm pretty certain that season ticket holders used the same turnstiles as cash payers, then in later years possibly around when segregation came in their was a turnstile at the cowshed/terrace entrance......They put a number in a box at the side of the gate so you knew which ticket to use & their was never a queue.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 30, 2024 11:44:26 GMT 1
It’s a basic business principle. Never discount your product long term. You simply devalue the perceived value. Both Town and Bradford have made the same mistake. Having said that attending games at Bradford City is a truly depressing experience. Those lot deserve some kind of award for turning up. In most cases I would agree with you, but look at all the businesses who stack ‘em high and sell them cheap. Generally there are a lot of reasons why many of those businesses do well. They know the demographics, they don’t waste too much money on advertising etc., and use efficient staff, and dare I say it, maybe happier operating on lower margins than some of the ‘premium’ competitors? But those businesses are where you have a known and defined product. Football can be anywhere from fantastic to mediocre. Pricing supporters out of attending will simply have a negative effect, compounded if they then go on to have a stinker of a season. The time to increase ST prices isn’t after you’ve just suffered relegation, you put them up sensibly when you’re on a sound footing. We’ve not had the luxury of being ‘established’, because we’re either in the play offs or fighting relegation, there hasn’t been a real period where the club could gauge things on stability. And as I mentioned the other day, someone will have a very simple model (spreadsheet) that says, if we increase prices by ‘x’ and we lose 3,000 ST holders it’s net neutral cost-wise. Then they’ll start baking in merchandise potential, atmospheric impacts. If they could somehow run a poll that said, if we price them at ‘x’ are you likely to renew etc. I appreciate there’s no certainty with this approach, but you have to know your target audience, and also know what the maximum volume of sales you can only ever achieve. I think we’re pretty close to that maximum anyway, so if they price them sensibly, 90% of people renew, we’ll still end up with reasonably decent crowds next season. If we then do well, they could add a few incentives in there & hey presto, you’re filling the ground again and it’s a win win. I think there’s a huge misconception on how much ST revenue affects clubs. I think it’s a fair bit behind TV money and other sponsorships personally, but I’m no expert, so all this might just be a load of bollocks…
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Post by incognito on Apr 30, 2024 11:48:06 GMT 1
If we're talking economics...
I think it's important we recognise that, in League One, total revenue from ticket sales will have a more significant bearing on our ability to compete:
Firstly, because it represents a higher proportion of the club's overall turnover. 'Matchday' income of around £4 million per year constitutes around 20% of our total revenue in The Championship. In League One, that will rise to around 35%. (In the Prem it was 4%).
Secondly, because the opportunities for a wealthy benefactor to bankroll the playing budget are diminished under SCMP (League One equivalent of FFP). In The Championship it was simply a question of allowable total losses. In League One, your maximum permitted budget is directly proportional to the income you are able to generate.
In the medium to long term commercial revenue growth will have the most transformative impact (outside of promotion). But, with the Stadium situation seemingly still unresolved, and other opportunities constricting somewhat due to relegation, what we - the supporters - are able to contribute by buying tickets, merchandise etc is likely to be more important than it has been since the Davy era.
Obviously Edwards and his team have to try and find the pricing sweet spot that maximises that top line 'Matchday' figure. I don't remotely envy him in that task, but it's his commercial (rather than, necessarily, football administration) acumen that KN is ultimately paying him for.
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Post by Morning Norwood on Apr 30, 2024 11:52:15 GMT 1
Bradford City are reporting they’ve sold over 13,000 already for next season. Some going that for league 2 football.
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Post by softboy on Apr 30, 2024 11:54:44 GMT 1
Just out of interest now emotions are reducing if the price stayed at 249 who would not renew. If it’s 299 who would genuinely not renew.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 30, 2024 12:00:21 GMT 1
If we're talking economics... I think it's important we recognise that, in League One, total revenue from ticket sales will have a more significant bearing on our ability to compete: Firstly, because it represents a higher proportion of the club's overall turnover. 'Matchday' income of around £4 million per year constitutes around 20% of our total revenue in The Championship. In League One, that will rise to around 35%. (In the Prem it was 4%). Secondly, because the opportunities for a wealthy benefactor to bankroll the playing budget are diminished under SCMP (League One equivalent of FFP). In The Championship it was simply a question of allowable total losses. In League One, your maximum permitted budget is directly proportional to the income you are able to generate. In the medium to long term commercial revenue growth will have the most transformative impact (outside of promotion). But, with the Stadium situation seemingly still unresolved, and other opportunities constricting somewhat due to relegation, what we - the supporters - are able to contribute by buying tickets, merchandise etc is likely to be more important than it has been since the Davy era. Obviously Edwards and his team have to try and find the pricing sweet spot that maximises that top line 'Matchday' figure. I don't remotely envy him in that task, but it's his commercial (rather than, necessarily, football administration) acumen that KN is ultimately paying him for. It’s certainly a challenge though, but could it be as simple as? Price them between £250 - £300 and sell 13-14,000, or stick another £100 on those prices and sell 9-10,000? I know football clubs have always been businesses, but it’s turned massively on its head over the last 30yrs, because we have so much going out of clubs via stupid player contracts and agents fees. And we’re the idiots who turn up to watch and hopefully cheer these pampered bastards… 😂 You’ve made some good points there, but how easy is it to sell ST’s if you’ve just come up from L2, versus the direction we’ve come from. Definitely a tough call for them, we’ll see soon enough.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 30, 2024 12:00:48 GMT 1
Just out of interest now emotions are reducing if the price stayed at 249 who would not renew. If it’s 299 who would genuinely not renew. I’d renew at £299.
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Post by niggyg on Apr 30, 2024 12:07:15 GMT 1
Ironically the lower down the league structure you go the higher your reliance on season card income. TV money going down drives this. I'd love the club to price as low as possible though and fill the stands.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 30, 2024 12:11:03 GMT 1
Just out of interest now emotions are reducing if the price stayed at 249 who would not renew. If it’s 299 who would genuinely not renew. I'd renew. The chances of getting less value for money (entertainment wise) than we have this season is close to nill
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Post by rockwall on Apr 30, 2024 12:16:38 GMT 1
I would renew at £299 if any home cup game was also included. Especially the Papa John's.
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Post by andyboothscat on Apr 30, 2024 12:29:21 GMT 1
I would renew at £299 if any home cup game was also included. Especially the Papa John's. That would be a clever and wise way of getting a ticket increase over the line.
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Post by willo on Apr 30, 2024 13:25:07 GMT 1
Just out of interest now emotions are reducing if the price stayed at 249 who would not renew. If it’s 299 who would genuinely not renew. I won’t be as I can’t see me being fussed about doing too many games in League 1. There are other factors for me too; son turns 23 in August so I’m guessing renewal for him will be an adult price this time all whilst he’s away at uni in his final year so likely only back for a handful of games, night matches are problematic at the best of times so I won’t do any of those, parking has become an issue over the last month or so, etc. Mainly though we’ve made some horrendous decisions these last 12 months and I’ve had my fill. Make a decision on the manager, get rid of the deadwood, spend some money wisely and make a half decent start to next season and I’ll show my face again. Until then, I can watch via my fire stick if I’m inclined.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Apr 30, 2024 13:29:18 GMT 1
Just out of interest now emotions are reducing if the price stayed at 249 who would not renew. If it’s 299 who would genuinely not renew. I would renew . But I do think after the shitshow of a season this is close for many people , any more would and could be a disaster. £329 would be absolut max. (32.5 percent increase - absolute max)
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Post by paderbornterrier on Apr 30, 2024 13:50:50 GMT 1
Any increase and I would feel those in charge are taking the puss out of us again.
249 again and I'm likely to have paid 500 quid to watch an absolute shitshow, from start to finish.
You buy the players and then I'll decide if I buy a ticket.
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Post by townarentbest on Apr 30, 2024 15:18:45 GMT 1
Just out of interest now emotions are reducing if the price stayed at 249 who would not renew. If it’s 299 who would genuinely not renew. I won’t be as I can’t see me being fussed about doing too many games in League 1. There are other factors for me too; son turns 23 in August so I’m guessing renewal for him will be an adult price this time all whilst he’s away at uni in his final year so likely only back for a handful of games, night matches are problematic at the best of times so I won’t do any of those, parking has become an issue over the last month or so, etc. Mainly though we’ve made some horrendous decisions these last 12 months and I’ve had my fill. Make a decision on the manager, get rid of the deadwood, spend some money wisely and make a half decent start to next season and I’ll show my face again. Until then, I can watch via my fire stick if I’m inclined. Yup, whilst we won't be televised quite as much as we would have been in the Championship, its still going to be VERY easy to watch Town without attending next season, given that... - ALL League 1 opening day, final day and midweek fixtures (and all play off games) - All Bank Holiday fixtures (including Easter, Boxing Day and New Years Day) - L1 matches played during international breaks - FIVE League 1 & League 2 fixtures from every weekend round of fixtures. (so likely 1/4 of all home fixtures moved away from the Sat 3pm slot - as opposed to 1/2 of the fixtures being moved that will happen to Championship clubs) - ALL EFL Trophy fixtures (guaranteed 3 games, then there's 4 knockout rounds and the final) - & ALL League Cup fixtures (1 game!?) ...will be televised. The VALUE of a season ticket has gone down, and not just because we've dropped a division.
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Apr 30, 2024 15:33:31 GMT 1
I won’t be as I can’t see me being fussed about doing too many games in League 1. There are other factors for me too; son turns 23 in August so I’m guessing renewal for him will be an adult price this time all whilst he’s away at uni in his final year so likely only back for a handful of games, night matches are problematic at the best of times so I won’t do any of those, parking has become an issue over the last month or so, etc. Mainly though we’ve made some horrendous decisions these last 12 months and I’ve had my fill. Make a decision on the manager, get rid of the deadwood, spend some money wisely and make a half decent start to next season and I’ll show my face again. Until then, I can watch via my fire stick if I’m inclined. Yup, whilst we won't be televised quite as much as we would have been in the Championship, its still going to be VERY easy to watch Town without attending next season, given that... - ALL League 1 opening day, final day and midweek fixtures (and all play off games) - All Bank Holiday fixtures (including Easter, Boxing Day and New Years Day) - L1 matches played during international breaks - FIVE League 1 & League 2 fixtures from every weekend round of fixtures. (so likely 1/4 of all home fixtures moved away from the Sat 3pm slot - as opposed to 1/2 of the fixtures being moved that will happen to Championship clubs) - ALL EFL Trophy fixtures (guaranteed 3 games, then there's 4 knockout rounds and the final) - & ALL League Cup fixtures (1 game!?) ...will be televised. The VALUE of a season ticket has gone down, and not just because we've dropped a division. That's a very good point varying & unsociable kick-off times will have an impact on people purchasing. At £249 or £299 missing 6/7 games either through holidays other commitments or can't be arsed watching that drival it's still worth getting one imo. Anymore under the circumstances then it's no thanks from me.
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Post by m62terrier on Apr 30, 2024 15:34:47 GMT 1
I won’t be as I can’t see me being fussed about doing too many games in League 1. There are other factors for me too; son turns 23 in August so I’m guessing renewal for him will be an adult price this time all whilst he’s away at uni in his final year so likely only back for a handful of games, night matches are problematic at the best of times so I won’t do any of those, parking has become an issue over the last month or so, etc. Mainly though we’ve made some horrendous decisions these last 12 months and I’ve had my fill. Make a decision on the manager, get rid of the deadwood, spend some money wisely and make a half decent start to next season and I’ll show my face again. Until then, I can watch via my fire stick if I’m inclined. Yup, whilst we won't be televised quite as much as we would have been in the Championship, its still going to be VERY easy to watch Town without attending next season, given that... - ALL League 1 opening day, final day and midweek fixtures (and all play off games) - All Bank Holiday fixtures (including Easter, Boxing Day and New Years Day) - L1 matches played during international breaks - FIVE League 1 & League 2 fixtures from every weekend round of fixtures. (so likely 1/4 of all home fixtures moved away from the Sat 3pm slot - as opposed to 1/2 of the fixtures being moved that will happen to Championship clubs) - ALL EFL Trophy fixtures (guaranteed 3 games, then there's 4 knockout rounds and the final) - & ALL League Cup fixtures (1 game!?) ...will be televised. The VALUE of a season ticket has gone down, and not just because we've dropped a division. Yeah its gonna be strange to see how that plays out. I assume opening day and final day will therefore not be at 3pm Saturday. Of our 23 league games we would usually have; 4 home midweek games. 1 home game either opening day/final day (although sometimes you can have both or neither, like this season we had neither) 1 home game either Boxing Day or New Years Day 1 home game Good Friday or Easter Monday. 1 or 2 games in international breaks, either shown on TV or moved to midweek. and then of the remaining 14/15, we can expect around 3 of those to be moved from 3pm to another time as part of the 5 League One/Two games shown per week. That could leave us with just 11/12 home games on a Saturday 3pm, not good if that is the only time you can get down to the ground.
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Post by houllierspal on Apr 30, 2024 15:41:51 GMT 1
Been season ticket holder since new ground (never needed to be in old one) now retired so having to watch money more carefully, £249 about right IMO, £299 OK but any higher will have to think hard
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