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Post by BlueValour on Mar 11, 2024 13:15:29 GMT 1
Though yesterday was, of course, bitterly disappointing it comes as no surprise. Including interims, the players have now had four managers in seven months. What sort of consistency does that promote? For me, I would gave kept Worthy, who was getting a tune out of the team, on until the end of this campaign. At that time a much wider range of candidates would be available.
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Post by B97 on Mar 11, 2024 13:17:28 GMT 1
Maybe the players need to pull their fingers out?
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 11, 2024 13:25:47 GMT 1
Though yesterday was, of course, bitterly disappointing it comes as no surprise. Including interims, the players have now had four managers in seven months. What sort of consistency does that promote? For me, I would gave kept Worthy, who was getting a tune out of the team, on until the end of this campaign. At that time a much wider range of candidates would be available. Could we have really got any better than the candidate we appointed? |
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Post by rockwall on Mar 11, 2024 13:30:05 GMT 1
We had consistency with Moore... shame it isn't the type we wanted.
But, on your point. I personally feel some managers over coach players and teams.
The basics of football will always be the same. And unfortunately, apart from under Warnock, we are trying to do things without being able to do the basics 1st.
The difference between managers for me is how they manage their players. They really need to invest in each player and know what works and doesn't work for them.
AB from the videos seems to be developing a good relationship. His presence around the training field indoor and outdoor seems very much like Warnock was.
Whereas Fotheringham and Moore, they were virtually non existent in the videos when they ever did one.
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Post by BlueValour on Mar 11, 2024 13:33:47 GMT 1
Though yesterday was, of course, bitterly disappointing it comes as no surprise. Including interims, the players have now had four managers in seven months. What sort of consistency does that promote? For me, I would gave kept Worthy, who was getting a tune out of the team, on until the end of this campaign. At that time a much wider range of candidates would be available. Could we have really got any better than the candidate we appointed? I think, at this stage, it is too early to make an assessment. My concern over him has been his lack of experience of English football. My key point is that appointing him now is yet another change of direction mid-season with the players having to get used to yet another new system. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 11, 2024 13:46:12 GMT 1
Could we have really got any better than the candidate we appointed? I think, at this stage, it is too early to make an assessment. My concern over him has been his lack of experience of English football. My key point is that appointing him now is yet another change of direction mid-season with the players having to get used to yet another new system. I tend to agree, but don't you think it would have been a big risk to give it Worthington full-time, despite having never managed? I would argue that his impact had worn off by the Hull game anyway. |
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Post by BlueValour on Mar 11, 2024 13:55:16 GMT 1
I think, at this stage, it is too early to make an assessment. My concern over him has been his lack of experience of English football. My key point is that appointing him now is yet another change of direction mid-season with the players having to get used to yet another new system. I tend to agree, but don't you think it would have been a big risk to give it Worthington full-time, despite having never managed? I would argue that his impact had worn off by the Hull game anyway. I wouldn’t have given Worthington the job full time; rather I would have kept him on as Interim to the end if the season and taken stock then. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 11, 2024 13:59:19 GMT 1
I tend to agree, but don't you think it would have been a big risk to give it Worthington full-time, despite having never managed? I would argue that his impact had worn off by the Hull game anyway. I wouldn’t have given Worthington the job full time; rather I would have kept him on as Interim to the end if the season and taken stock then. Giving it him until the end of the season, would be full-time, in my opinion (and of the betting companies' opinion). But yeah, get what you mean. I personally think Worthington would have taken us down, but we'll never know now. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Mar 11, 2024 14:04:11 GMT 1
I tend to agree, but don't you think it would have been a big risk to give it Worthington full-time, despite having never managed? I would argue that his impact had worn off by the Hull game anyway. I wouldn’t have given Worthington the job full time; rather I would have kept him on as Interim to the end if the season and taken stock then. First, Worthington didn't want the job full time. Second, you give it him on a permanent basis, and looking at our form with managers he's out of a job in 6 months tops. He can't then go back to the academy... the job he loves, because it will have been filled. Then it would be time to look for new employment, move house, move the kids out of school, move away from the place he has lived for the last 30 years... Uhm! I wonder why he didn't want the job? |
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Post by runner76 on Mar 11, 2024 14:05:56 GMT 1
We’ve got a really decent manager. On paper one of the best we’ve ever recruited. Glad we didn’t wait.
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Post by benhomly on Mar 11, 2024 14:10:37 GMT 1
I think, at this stage, it is too early to make an assessment. My concern over him has been his lack of experience of English football. My key point is that appointing him now is yet another change of direction mid-season with the players having to get used to yet another new system. I tend to agree, but don't you think it would have been a big risk to give it Worthington full-time, despite having never managed? I would argue that his impact had worn off by the Hull game anyway. Agree with that. I'm just hoping Andre's hasn't worn off by the Cardiff game. |
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Post by richhtfc on Mar 11, 2024 14:13:44 GMT 1
I think we have the right man but there’s no doubt that swapping managers is disruptive, and will have affected us negatively this season.
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Post by BlueValour on Mar 11, 2024 14:17:46 GMT 1
I wouldn’t have given Worthington the job full time; rather I would have kept him on as Interim to the end if the season and taken stock then. First, Worthington didn't want the job full time. Second, you give it him on a permanent basis, and looking at our form with managers he's out of a job in 6 months tops. He can't then go back to the academy... the job he loves, because it will have been filled. Then it would be time to look for new employment, move house, move the kids out of school, move away from the place he has lived for the last 30 years... Uhm! I wonder why he didn't want the job? Agreed; which is why I said that I would have kept him on in an interim role. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Mar 11, 2024 18:56:14 GMT 1
I think we have the right man but there’s no doubt that swapping managers is disruptive, and will have affected us negatively this season. I think bringing Moore in was a huge mistake as many have said, the falling apart in the second half seems to be our thing over the last two years? Coventry and Burnley last season scored all 4 goals, rather quickly. This season Leeds and yesterday 4 goals in a quick space of time. Therefore i think its a mentaility thing with the squad we have, that no one seems to grab hold of team when pressure is on to tell the players around them, to batten down the hatches to speak, we have had players in the past who when things are going against us, to stop it becoming bad/ game over. We don't seem to have those type of players currently , it all seems to be head down walk back to the centre circle no one says a word sort of thing. This is something a manager should notice and change if he can. But Warnock in his first interview back last season, did say we lacked "leaders" types - this is something that is still the case. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Mar 11, 2024 19:22:39 GMT 1
We’ve got a really decent manager. On paper one of the best we’ve ever recruited. Glad we didn’t wait. Not saying he isn't but in his last job he won one of his last 13 games. That fills me with some worry that if we get in to a bad run can he turn it around? |
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Mar 11, 2024 19:31:31 GMT 1
Changing managers doesn't help anyone, we should have kept Warnock on because he would have kept us up and that would have given us plenty of time to bring in the right manager, but on who's say is the right manager for this club!! Cartwright.
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Post by willo on Mar 11, 2024 20:26:58 GMT 1
Changing managers doesn't help anyone, we should have kept Warnock on because he would have kept us up and that would have given us plenty of time to bring in the right manager, but on who's say is the right manager for this club!! Cartwright. Despite yesterday’s 2nd half capitulation, I think we may have found a proper manager with AB. However, given the choice I would absolutely have kept Warnock on as manager for as long of this season as I could as we were originally told would be the case. The appointment of Moore was an unmitigated disaster and a completely unnecessary change and if we are relegated this time, it’s totally on him and the imbecile(s) who thought he would be a good manager for us. |
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Post by runner76 on Mar 11, 2024 20:48:15 GMT 1
We’ve got a really decent manager. On paper one of the best we’ve ever recruited. Glad we didn’t wait. Not saying he isn't but in his last job he won one of his last 13 games. That fills me with some worry that if we get in to a bad run can he turn it around? makes sense to have this kind of doubt, but I am pretty sure he has the tools to keep us up and see us make decent progress.....staying up is the job in hand! |
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Post by stinkypete on Mar 11, 2024 21:18:21 GMT 1
I do wonder what the conversations were with AB should we happen to get relegated? Is he happy to manage at league one level or is there a clause that he leaves if we go down?
I’d like to think there is a plan in place should the worst happen!
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