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Post by royrace on Apr 10, 2024 8:47:14 GMT 1
Can anyone remember a Town side that struggles as much as this one to pass the ball and make the right choices when in possession. We just continuously give it away for 90 minutes and it makes it impossible to get any foothold in the game. You can tell from the way AB was speaking in the presser that he knows he's without the only few players we have who are decent on the ball (Rudoni, Balker, Nakayama) and has to find other solutions. God knows what those other solutions are though, didn't appear to be any tonight. A nice solution to the obvious problem of us being totally unable to pass the ball to each other or create anything in midfield would have been to procure such a player in January when we splashed £4M, after a striker that was THE obvious requirement. Unfortunately our DoF bought us an extra perma-injured centre back to go with the 3 quality ones we already had (Helik, Lees, Pearson more than adequate and we have others that can play CB if needed). It's decisions like that which will send us down along with all the other criminally idiotic ones he's made in the short space of time he's been in the building. First one out post relegation party I hope. |
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Post by Uddersfeeled on Apr 10, 2024 9:13:03 GMT 1
I was doing exactly the same, mate. It reminded me of my ability to play table football. It was in stark contrast to the Preston players who were mostly able to control a ball with relative ease. What style of football is the team suited to, then? It was a bit like this Not too dissimilar to the lead up to our goal last night. |
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Post by digs on Apr 10, 2024 9:30:07 GMT 1
yes but we pass good in training,when wearing bibs and giggling
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 10, 2024 10:05:59 GMT 1
We have no discernible style of play or game plan.
I looked back at the highlights of the Ipswich game at the weekend. How do you go from a side that went toe to toe against one of the better sides in the division to what we’ve witnessed recently?
I’m not a coach, but it appears we seem to do better when we throw caution to the wind and make our game plan up as we go along. In today’s game that’s obviously quite risky, because you need it to click, to surprise the opposition and a bit of luck along the way.
Perhaps we just need to tell them to go out there and be free spirits? It certainly doesn’t appear that what’s being coached sticks with them. The Millwall game was a welcome 3 points, but it was an atrocious game and both sides were as bad as each other. I doubt that we’ll see a side as poor as Millwall were in these last 5 games, so maybe the Mgr needs to give them free rein and see if we can somehow hit the onion bag enough times to be able to defend a lead?
Just a note on Burgzorg. He was a breath of fresh air earlier in the season, but teams have now woken up to him. Double team him where you can and 9 times out of 10 he’ll try and beat both men and end up in a pickle. He needs to learn how to pick a pass a bit earlier.
We don’t have anyone in the team with any sort of composure or enough football intelligence to be able to pick good passes. Hence I just think we should just fecking go for it and die trying if that’s how it ends up…
I would just add, that most of the squad have had to take instruction from 6 different Mgrs in just over 100 games. As much as we’re an average squad, that must be a bit demoralising for them, even allowing for them being well paid, lucky to be doing the job etc. They’ve only come alive when NW was in fighting mode, other than that it’s been a right hotch potch of Mgrs….
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2024 10:10:38 GMT 1
Kasumu, Pearson are technically poor. Not natural footballers. Can neither shoot nor pass. Kasumu is energy, Pearson is bravery.
In my opinion even Spencer does not look at all natural in his technical ability; he saves himself with his recovery, pace and power.
Even Sorba can't strike a ball when being asked to shoot. Quite bizarre considering how good his dead balls are. Not to draw direct comparisons but David Beckham scored some crackers from open play but still never quite had a snap shot, powerful strike in him - not that he needed it.
Toffolo has half the pace and power but a useful left foot and could drift past players.
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Post by golcarexile on Apr 10, 2024 10:34:48 GMT 1
Our lack of a single player who doesn't shit himself when receiving the ball under even a moderate amount of pressure always promised to be our undoing. We do have one or two players with a modicum of technical ability (Rudoni, Burgzorg, maybe Wiles) but their decision making is awful. Sorba is a useful player, but doesn't have any football intelligence. Warnock papered over the cracks last season. If we stay up there has to be the clear out of all clear outs if the big talk of competing at the top end of this league is to be realized.
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Post by griffa on Apr 11, 2024 19:20:13 GMT 1
And yet we continue to try and play out from the keeper with players who are so utter crap at passing and trapping a ball. Incredible Yes a very basic mistake, because of the inability of the players to control & pass the football - UTT. |
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Post by softboy on Apr 11, 2024 19:27:33 GMT 1
Can anyone remember a Town side that struggles as much as this one to pass the ball and make the right choices when in possession. We just continuously give it away for 90 minutes and it makes it impossible to get any foothold in the game. You can tell from the way AB was speaking in the presser that he knows he's without the only few players we have who are decent on the ball (Rudoni, Balker, Nakayama) and has to find other solutions. God knows what those other solutions are though, didn't appear to be any tonight. |
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Post by softboy on Apr 11, 2024 19:28:10 GMT 1
Last season springs to mind!
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 11, 2024 19:43:08 GMT 1
Refuse to believe anyone can make it to the second tier of professional football with the sort of ability our lot are showing at the moment. It’s not been good all season but it’s got worse as the pressure has built. It’s clear to me they are not coping at all well with the pressure of the situation we’re in.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 11, 2024 19:53:24 GMT 1
Completely agree. Unable to find a man with a simple pass. Half the time they do find a man, the pass isn't accurate or is having to be controlled with the thigh, chest, stomach. The amount of interceptions Preston made last night must have been through the roof! Then the final ball, or any crucial ball in the final third...99% of the time under-hit or over-hit by a country mile. Summed it up for me last night...Sorba makes a great break in the first half, goes past a couple and then has the relatively simple task of playing Wiles in for a 1-on-1 or at least a shot/cross in a great position. But the pass is way off the mark by a mile. Preston get the ball back and within seconds we are defending 5 (or was it 6) back-to-back corners! These are the fine margins that change games and we continually come up short. That incident was a real shocker for me. He’d done the hard work and had time to play the killer ball. Contrast that with a side at the top of the table (or us 3 seasons ago), that would have resulted in a high percentage goal scoring opportunity. We just fluff our lines far too often, hopefully we’ve enough to make it to an encore this season… |
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Post by townarentbest on Apr 11, 2024 19:56:00 GMT 1
Can anyone remember a Town side that struggles as much as this one to pass the ball and make the right choices when in possession. We just continuously give it away for 90 minutes and it makes it impossible to get any foothold in the game. You can tell from the way AB was speaking in the presser that he knows he's without the only few players we have who are decent on the ball (Rudoni, Balker, Nakayama) and has to find other solutions. God knows what those other solutions are though, didn't appear to be any tonight. A nice solution to the obvious problem of us being totally unable to pass the ball to each other or create anything in midfield would have been to procure such a player in January when we splashed £4M, after a striker that was THE obvious requirement. Unfortunately our DoF bought us an extra perma-injured centre back to go with the 3 quality ones we already had (Helik, Lees, Pearson more than adequate and we have others that can play CB if needed). It's decisions like that which will send us down along with all the other criminally idiotic ones he's made in the short space of time he's been in the building. First one out post relegation party I hope. Are you joking? We're currently stuck playing with Helik and a woefully out of his depth Pearson, and we obviously DON'T have others that can play there. Its a big reason as to why we've struggled to pick up points, possibly the MAIN reason. If anything we needed ANOTHER defender on a short term deal to the end of the season. |
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 11, 2024 20:00:36 GMT 1
A nice solution to the obvious problem of us being totally unable to pass the ball to each other or create anything in midfield would have been to procure such a player in January when we splashed £4M, after a striker that was THE obvious requirement. Unfortunately our DoF bought us an extra perma-injured centre back to go with the 3 quality ones we already had (Helik, Lees, Pearson more than adequate and we have others that can play CB if needed). It's decisions like that which will send us down along with all the other criminally idiotic ones he's made in the short space of time he's been in the building. First one out post relegation party I hope. Are you joking? We're currently stuck playing with Helik and a woefully out of his depth Pearson, and we obviously DON'T have others that can play there. Its a big reason as to why we've struggled to pick up points, possibly the MAIN reason. If anything we needed ANOTHER defender on a short term deal to the end of the season. If Helik wasn’t playing we’d have been relegated a few weeks back. He’s our best defender by a mile, and also our top goalscorer last time I checked. |
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Post by townarentbest on Apr 11, 2024 20:01:47 GMT 1
Are you joking? We're currently stuck playing with Helik and a woefully out of his depth Pearson, and we obviously DON'T have others that can play there. Its a big reason as to why we've struggled to pick up points, possibly the MAIN reason. If anything we needed ANOTHER defender on a short term deal to the end of the season. If Helik wasn’t playing we’d have been relegated a few weeks back. He’s our best defender by a mile, and also our top goalscorer last time I checked. 100% agree. My point was about who is playing with him and the total lack of other options we have...whilst someone is moaning that we signed a defender! |
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 11, 2024 20:03:48 GMT 1
If Helik wasn’t playing we’d have been relegated a few weeks back. He’s our best defender by a mile, and also our top goalscorer last time I checked. 100% agree. My point was about who is playing with him and the total lack of other options we have...whilst someone is moaning that we signed a defender! Got ya, I really don’t think we’re short staffed in defence personally, it’s the midfield and lack of continuity with changing management that has killed us. Some of the poorer teams we’re playing look so classy in the middle compared to us . Edit: specifically someone who can hold on to the ball, beat a man and pick a pass. Matos was a very odd signing, we really didn’t need a ratter with Hogg and Kasumu in the team. We needed another Mooy or Eiting type. Matos for all his qualities is nowhere near good enough on the ball to have a place in Chelsea’s starting 11 for me. I’d buy him as a potential replacement for Hogg though. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Apr 11, 2024 20:23:49 GMT 1
Lack of stability.
Lack of consistent coaching.
Lack of a style of play.
Lack of confidence.
Lack of a cohesive ethos throughout the club
Lack of a ‘team’ - too many random individuals chucked into an XI
Just young lads chucked into a relegation dogfight with no managed integration into a championship team - in at the deep end, play until crocked, straight back in once fit. They are crippled with fear.
Half the team look lost on the pitch. Nobody wants the ball. With 3 permanent managers, plus caretakers, over each of the last two years it’s no wonder they have all regressed.
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 11, 2024 20:30:54 GMT 1
Lack of stability. Lack of consistent coaching. Lack of a style of play. Lack of confidence. Lack of a cohesive ethos throughout the club Lack of a ‘team’ - too many random individuals chucked into an XI Just young lads chucked into a relegation dogfight with no managed integration into a championship team - in at the deep end, play until crocked, straight back in once fit. They are crippled with fear. Half the team look lost on the pitch. Nobody wants the ball. With 3 permanent managers, plus caretakers, over each of the last two years it’s no wonder they have all regressed. Nailed it 👌 |
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Post by isitjustme on Apr 11, 2024 20:35:06 GMT 1
yes but we pass good in training,when wearing bibs and giggling Yes. But our opposition in training are Huddersfield players. Everybody in the Championship passes well in matches against us. It really isn't a guage of how good (Or bad) our passing really is !!! |
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Post by digs on Apr 11, 2024 22:05:54 GMT 1
yes but we pass good in training,when wearing bibs and giggling Yes. But our opposition in training are Huddersfield players. Everybody in the Championship passes well in matches against us. It really isn't a guage of how good (Or bad) our passing really is !!! I thought we played against plastic cones in training,that's why we look good |
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Post by Arbie 1976. on Apr 11, 2024 22:29:35 GMT 1
Yes. But our opposition in training are Huddersfield players. Everybody in the Championship passes well in matches against us. It really isn't a guage of how good (Or bad) our passing really is !!! I thought we played against plastic cones in training,that's why we look good heard we had a full game session today against 11 dust bins, they beat us 2.0. UTT. |
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Post by wildhogg on Apr 11, 2024 22:52:05 GMT 1
The last central midfielder we had with good technical ability was Jon Russell. Shame he didn't have any of the other attributes needed to be a pro footballer.
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Post by royrace on Apr 12, 2024 11:02:05 GMT 1
A nice solution to the obvious problem of us being totally unable to pass the ball to each other or create anything in midfield would have been to procure such a player in January when we splashed £4M, after a striker that was THE obvious requirement. Unfortunately our DoF bought us an extra perma-injured centre back to go with the 3 quality ones we already had (Helik, Lees, Pearson more than adequate and we have others that can play CB if needed). It's decisions like that which will send us down along with all the other criminally idiotic ones he's made in the short space of time he's been in the building. First one out post relegation party I hope. Are you joking? We're currently stuck playing with Helik and a woefully out of his depth Pearson, and we obviously DON'T have others that can play there. Its a big reason as to why we've struggled to pick up points, possibly the MAIN reason. If anything we needed ANOTHER defender on a short term deal to the end of the season. Is that you Mark?! Honestly I don't see how you can watch town this season and lay the blame at the door of the centre backs! It's the only area we're decent in  One of them will be snapped up for big money, the other is proven championship quality. The full backs, centre mid, wingers and strikers on the other hand! |
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Post by ram on Apr 12, 2024 11:45:17 GMT 1
Yes. But our opposition in training are Huddersfield players. Everybody in the Championship passes well in matches against us. It really isn't a guage of how good (Or bad) our passing really is !!! I thought we played against plastic cones in training,that's why we look good Years ago they practised against dustbins,but had to give up,the bins kept winning |
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Post by omegasupreme on Apr 13, 2024 15:53:22 GMT 1
Kasumu, Pearson are technically poor. Not natural footballers. Can neither shoot nor pass. Kasumu is energy, Pearson is bravery. In my opinion even Spencer does not look at all natural in his technical ability; he saves himself with his recovery, pace and power. Even Sorba can't strike a ball when being asked to shoot. Quite bizarre considering how good his dead balls are. Not to draw direct comparisons but David Beckham scored some crackers from open play but still never quite had a snap shot, powerful strike in him - not that he needed it. Toffolo has half the pace and power but a useful left foot and could drift past players. Toffolo didn’t drift past players. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2024 16:00:58 GMT 1
Kasumu, Pearson are technically poor. Not natural footballers. Can neither shoot nor pass. Kasumu is energy, Pearson is bravery. In my opinion even Spencer does not look at all natural in his technical ability; he saves himself with his recovery, pace and power. Even Sorba can't strike a ball when being asked to shoot. Quite bizarre considering how good his dead balls are. Not to draw direct comparisons but David Beckham scored some crackers from open play but still never quite had a snap shot, powerful strike in him - not that he needed it. Toffolo has half the pace and power but a useful left foot and could drift past players. Toffolo didn’t drift past players. Must've been watching a different game to me then. A constant threat down our left, always looking to beat his man and look forward - 6 goals and 7 assists in the year we gave him away. |
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Post by omegasupreme on Apr 13, 2024 17:40:46 GMT 1
Toffolo didn’t drift past players. Must've been watching a different game to me then. A constant threat down our left, always looking to beat his man and look forward - 6 goals and 7 assists in the year we gave him away. He was a good player for us. He was a threat running off the ball from deep and arriving in the box and he did have a decent left foot. But he didn’t take players on, he just didn’t - turned and passed it back most of the time, used to drive me mad. |
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