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Post by CowshedJack on Apr 28, 2024 15:03:40 GMT 1
We couldn’t beat Rotherham, Blackburn, QPR, Birmingham and Plymouth who were all around the bottom. We deserve to be down. 3 of those couldn't beat us either If you can’t beat a team that’s already relegated, you deserve to be going down. We have the most draws in the league, it’s clear why we’re getting relegated. |
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Post by Wingman on Apr 28, 2024 15:05:20 GMT 1
One refereeing decision hasn’t relegated us. We are all fully aware of what has, and it’s been covered and will continue to be for a while.
At some stage my take would be that the new manager (and hopefully a refreshed squad) pulls together with a siege mentality. We can bounce back, we can get back to the Championship and put this behind us. We can put things right. It needs a Wagner-esque preseason routine to start with, building a squad ethos and vision.
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Apr 28, 2024 15:06:47 GMT 1
We’d still be in with a shout had it not been for that ridiculous decision! We’ve got what we deserve though. It's one of them isn't it? We've been awful for the majority of the season. BUT, those 2 points would be really handy right now. Additionally, I think if we come away with those 3 points, we end up beating Swansea (or picking up a point) and beating Birmingham. We'd have had our momentum up, we'd have more confidence, the fans would be more united with the team, the players would have felt it was massively in their hands. That decision I felt was the nail in the coffin, all the chips went down then. It sucked the life out of us as a club. The squad, us the fans. Is it her fault were down? No. We deserve to go down based on a calamity of mistakes that dont just span over this year but multiple years since the prem. Year over year, you can pinpoint 5-10 of major fuck ups that have caused our demised. This year is no different. However, we cannot argue that it was the straw that broke the camels back for us. It was the catalyst at that time of our demise in the run in. Gut wrenching, sucker punched and unfortunately we never ever recovered physically, mentally and psychologically. |
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Post by CowshedJack on Apr 28, 2024 15:13:40 GMT 1
We’d still be in with a shout had it not been for that ridiculous decision! We’ve got what we deserve though. It's one of them isn't it? We've been awful for the majority of the season. BUT, those 2 points would be really handy right now. Additionally, I think if we come away with those 3 points, we end up beating Swansea (or picking up a point) and beating Birmingham. We'd have had our momentum up, we'd have more confidence, the fans would be more united with the team, the players would have felt it was massively in their hands. That decision I felt was the nail in the coffin, all the chips went down then. It sucked the life out of us as a club. The squad, us the fans. Is it her fault were down? No. We deserve to go down based on a calamity of mistakes that dont just span over this year but multiple years since the prem. Year one year, you can pinpoint 5-10 of major fuck ups that have caused our demised. This year is no different. However, we cannot argue that it was the straw that broke the camels back for us. It was the catalyst at that time of our demise in the run in. Gut wrenching, sucker punched and unfortunately we never ever recovered physically, mentally and psychologically. I don’t think it was the catalyst to be honest, you can’t really pinpoint a season on that, like when Mounie got sent off against Brighton. If we got that penalty against us in November it wouldn’t have defined the season? Before the game, a point would have been decent against Bristol Ciry anyway. What about the point we threw away playing Hull? Or JK missing an absolute sitter and Burgzorg not wanting to pass it instead of shooting it into a defender? You can’t really put a relegation on one moment, it’s all combined. The reason we got relegated is throwing away so many points in draws. |
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Apr 28, 2024 15:16:42 GMT 1
It's one of them isn't it? We've been awful for the majority of the season. BUT, those 2 points would be really handy right now. Additionally, I think if we come away with those 3 points, we end up beating Swansea (or picking up a point) and beating Birmingham. We'd have had our momentum up, we'd have more confidence, the fans would be more united with the team, the players would have felt it was massively in their hands. That decision I felt was the nail in the coffin, all the chips went down then. It sucked the life out of us as a club. The squad, us the fans. Is it her fault were down? No. We deserve to go down based on a calamity of mistakes that dont just span over this year but multiple years since the prem. Year one year, you can pinpoint 5-10 of major fuck ups that have caused our demised. This year is no different. However, we cannot argue that it was the straw that broke the camels back for us. It was the catalyst at that time of our demise in the run in. Gut wrenching, sucker punched and unfortunately we never ever recovered physically, mentally and psychologically. I don’t think it was the catalyst to be honest, you can’t really pinpoint a season on that, like when Mounie got sent off against Brighton. If we got that penalty against us in November it wouldn’t have defined the season? Before the game, a point would have been decent against Bristol Ciry anyway. What about the point we threw away playing Hull? Or JK missing an absolute sitter and Burgzorg not wanting to pass it instead of shooting it into a defender? You can’t really put a relegation on one moment, it’s all combined. The reason we got relegated is throwing away so many points in draws. I think you mis read my point. I didn't claim it to be the catalyst in the season. I had the opinion that it was the catalyst at the time to our demise in the run in. I don't think 1 bad refereeing decision is what is getting us relegated, we've been pants all year. I do think however, that was the one defining moment the crushed us in our run in, that we psychologically did not recover from. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Apr 28, 2024 15:25:43 GMT 1
There is no denying it as been crucial as it stands because we would have had 2 points more and it would mean a win at Ipswich would highly likely have kept us in this division. But as they say it’s the hope that kills you, it would have been town esq to have won to stay up at Ipswich .
Regardless R Welsh is a very shit referee.
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Post by griffa on Apr 28, 2024 16:03:59 GMT 1
She’s not the only poor ref out there get off her case. We’ve been abysmal this season and have deserved to go down. I've played football, I'm a qualified FA Coach, watched professional football, referred many Junior Football matches, I understand football. Must agree, we often see baffling refereeing decisions, at the Professional Level. Could list a number of dodgy current Professional Referees, was shocked when I found that Jarred Gillett, who is now a FIFA Referee! Understand that he Refereed his 1st Professional game in England at the John Smiths Stadium. Every time I watched him referee he makes awful dodgy decisions, yet he's known a FIFA Referee! Watched Rebecca Welch referee 2 Town games, this season v Hull City & Bristol City, at Ashton Gate. Her performance in both matches was questionable, the penalty award at Bristol, was without doubt very, very poor. So much so 'teddy the terrier,' that PGMOL issued an apology to Huddersfield Town. Rebecca Welch needs to be retrained, or removed from the Referees List, for next season. Our relegation has occurred, due to result of various factors, poor Managerial Appointments, poor quality squad etc, the final nail in the coffin, was the penalty awarded to Bristol City, in the last 30 seconds of that crucial match! |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 28, 2024 16:17:13 GMT 1
I’m not even sure it was an apology, it was released (by Town) that they’d acknowledged it was an error.
No material difference in the outcome, but if that was what happened it just pisses me off that they can’t even apologise.
At least we got an apology from Hawkeye last year. PGMOL are a self serving bunch of twats IMHO, not because of this one decision, loads they’ve made over the years that have been questionable for many teams, their questionable deployment of VAR etc.
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Post by tepidterrier on Apr 28, 2024 16:20:09 GMT 1
Non zero chance that Bristol score from the corner that should've been awarded. We have choked so many times late on this season, including in the other game Welch refereed. It's a bit pathetic this thread is still going, we've had 45 games to amass enough points and haven't done it. Been fucked over by refs a handful of times but that's part of the game.
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Post by Ibiza Town on Apr 28, 2024 16:22:15 GMT 1
We’d still be in with a shout had it not been for that ridiculous decision! We’ve got what we deserve though. It's one of them isn't it? We've been awful for the majority of the season. BUT, those 2 points would be really handy right now. Additionally, I think if we come away with those 3 points, we end up beating Swansea (or picking up a point) and beating Birmingham. We'd have had our momentum up, we'd have more confidence, the fans would be more united with the team, the players would have felt it was massively in their hands. That decision I felt was the nail in the coffin, all the chips went down then. It sucked the life out of us as a club. The squad, us the fans. Is it her fault were down? No. We deserve to go down based on a calamity of mistakes that dont just span over this year but multiple years since the prem. Year over year, you can pinpoint 5-10 of major fuck ups that have caused our demised. This year is no different. However, we cannot argue that it was the straw that broke the camels back for us. It was the catalyst at that time of our demise in the run in. Gut wrenching, sucker punched and unfortunately we never ever recovered physically, mentally and psychologically. That and Rotherham Two straws |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 28, 2024 16:28:18 GMT 1
Non zero chance that Bristol score from the corner that should've been awarded. We have choked so many times late on this season, including in the other game Welch refereed. It's a bit pathetic this thread is still going, we've had 45 games to amass enough points and haven't done it. Been fucked over by refs a handful of times but that's part of the game. I don’t think anyone is suggesting this is the cause, more that psychologically, this was the thing that sunk the players at a time where there was no margin to recover. As some have said, Millwall took the defeat at our place as the kick up the arse they needed and had the mentality to deal with it. We’ve been a mentally weak team all season. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Apr 28, 2024 17:36:56 GMT 1
She’s not the only poor ref out there get off her case. We’ve been abysmal this season and have deserved to go down. I've played football, I'm a qualified FA Coach, watched professional football, referred many Junior Football matches, I understand football. Must agree, we often see baffling refereeing decisions, at the Professional Level. Could list a number of dodgy current Professional Referees, was shocked when I found that Jarred Gillett, who is now a FIFA Referee! Understand that he Refereed his 1st Professional game in England at the John Smiths Stadium. Every time I watched him referee he makes awful dodgy decisions, yet he's known a FIFA Referee! Watched Rebecca Welch referee 2 Town games, this season v Hull City & Bristol City, at Ashton Gate. Her performance in both matches was questionable, the penalty award at Bristol, was without doubt very, very poor. So much so 'teddy the terrier,' that PGMOL issued an apology to Huddersfield Town. Rebecca Welch needs to be retrained, or removed from the Referees List, for next season. Our relegation has occurred, due to result of various factors, poor Managerial Appointments, poor quality squad etc, the final nail in the coffin, was the penalty awarded to Bristol City, in the last 30 seconds of that crucial match! I agree with everything apart from "the final nail in the coffin". We lost 4-0 against Swansea, 1-3 points thrown away. Then we failed to win against yet another struggler, so another 2 points thrown away. That's as many as 5 final nails in the coffin ince that clueless (or dodgy?) ref incident.
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Post by griffa on Apr 28, 2024 18:45:04 GMT 1
I've played football, I'm a qualified FA Coach, watched professional football, referred many Junior Football matches, I understand football. Must agree, we often see baffling refereeing decisions, at the Professional Level. Could list a number of dodgy current Professional Referees, was shocked when I found that Jarred Gillett, who is now a FIFA Referee! Understand that he Refereed his 1st Professional game in England at the John Smiths Stadium. Every time I watched him referee he makes awful dodgy decisions, yet he's known a FIFA Referee! Watched Rebecca Welch referee 2 Town games, this season v Hull City & Bristol City, at Ashton Gate. Her performance in both matches was questionable, the penalty award at Bristol, was without doubt very, very poor. So much so 'teddy the terrier,' that PGMOL issued an apology to Huddersfield Town. Rebecca Welch needs to be retrained, or removed from the Referees List, for next season. Our relegation has occurred, due to result of various factors, poor Managerial Appointments, poor quality squad etc, the final nail in the coffin, was the penalty awarded to Bristol City, in the last 30 seconds of that crucial match! I agree with everything apart from "the final nail in the coffin". We lost 4-0 against Swansea, 1-3 points thrown away. Then we failed to win against yet another struggler, so another 2 points thrown away. That's as many as 5 final nails in the coffin ince that clueless (or dodgy?) ref incident. For me it was the the final nail in the coffin, went to away games all the away games QPR, Blackburn, Cardiff, Rotherham, Preston, Bristol, it was a killer blow. Andre's lack of ambition contributed to the relegation, as did Darren Moore, but Rebecca's decision to award the penalty, convinced me that we would be relegated. I'll be at the JSS next season, surely we're due some good luck - UTT. |
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Post by King Curtis on Apr 28, 2024 19:10:48 GMT 1
Deary me.
I am sick of Town fans constantly looking for someone else to blame instead of looking at ourselves.
Yes - it was shite decision from a bint who shouldn't be reffing in the Championship. Lots of other teams get shite decisions from refs week in, week out.
Ohh and the reason we got relegated from the PL was because Mounié got sent off against Brighton...
Get real.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Apr 28, 2024 19:17:44 GMT 1
Deary me ,
I am sick of town fans presuming other town fans are blaming RW for our demise, when they are not, they know town have been shit and not good enough this year and also know many things contributed to our downfall.
Get real yourself
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Post by King Curtis on Apr 28, 2024 19:58:51 GMT 1
Deary me , I am sick of town fans presuming other town fans are blaming RW for our demise, when they are not, they know town have been shit and not good enough this year and also know many things contributed to our downfall. Get real yourself Where did I suggest that? When I said "ourselves" I meant the club, the management, the players. Calm down. |
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Post by lifer49 on Apr 28, 2024 21:39:45 GMT 1
Losing our opening game to Plymouth because we were not fully prepared set the tone for the whole season.
Poor refereeing decisions which seem to have all gone against us have not helped.
However, we are in League 1 next season, all the whinging and moaning and insulting will not change that.
Time to move on and get behind KN and AB and support the team.
Anyone feeling sorry for themselves should have been here from 1972/75, 3 relegations in 4 seasons or the Macdonald 1987/88 capitulation.
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Post by runner76 on Apr 28, 2024 22:11:31 GMT 1
That stupid and thoughtless piece of refereeing doesn’t happen and not only is it a couple more points, it’s massive belief and a boost to the mental fragility of the squad. If we’d then been more positive we MAY have had enough to get a win yesterday and then it’s a different outlook altogether.
Yes, that single mess up isn’t the reason we are going down but if things had gone differently it could have been part of the reason we’d stayed up.
Anyway. Onwards and upwards
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Post by brighousebandbred on Apr 28, 2024 22:17:22 GMT 1
Deary me , I am sick of town fans presuming other town fans are blaming RW for our demise, when they are not, they know town have been shit and not good enough this year and also know many things contributed to our downfall. Get real yourself Where did I suggest that? When I said "ourselves" I meant the club, the management, the players. Calm down. deary me I’m taking the piss out of your post . |
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Post by dewsburyborn on Apr 28, 2024 22:27:57 GMT 1
That stupid and thoughtless piece of refereeing doesn’t happen and not only is it a couple more points, it’s massive belief and a boost to the mental fragility of the squad. If we’d then been more positive we MAY have had enough to get a win yesterday and then it’s a different outlook altogether. All seems to remind me of the pen we got at Cardiff. Never appeal they always say cos the ref will never change their mind. Except they did and he did. And that was the last straw, the final nail in Wagner's coffin - once again we got screwed by an incompetent ref. Yes, that single mess up isn’t the reason we are going down but if things had gone differently it could have been part of the reason we’d stayed up. Anyway. Onwards and upwards |
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Post by mosher on Apr 29, 2024 12:28:55 GMT 1
She’s not the only poor ref out there get off her case. We’ve been abysmal this season and have deserved to go down. I've played football, I'm a qualified FA Coach, watched professional football, referred many Junior Football matches, I understand football. Must agree, we often see baffling refereeing decisions, at the Professional Level. Could list a number of dodgy current Professional Referees, was shocked when I found that Jarred Gillett, who is now a FIFA Referee! Understand that he Refereed his 1st Professional game in England at the John Smiths Stadium. Every time I watched him referee he makes awful dodgy decisions, yet he's known a FIFA Referee! Watched Rebecca Welch referee 2 Town games, this season v Hull City & Bristol City, at Ashton Gate. Her performance in both matches was questionable, the penalty award at Bristol, was without doubt very, very poor. So much so 'teddy the terrier,' that PGMOL issued an apology to Huddersfield Town.Rebecca Welch needs to be retrained, or removed from the Referees List, for next season. Our relegation has occurred, due to result of various factors, poor Managerial Appointments, poor quality squad etc, the final nail in the coffin, was the penalty awarded to Bristol City, in the last 30 seconds of that crucial match! No apology, just an acknowledgement of the error. |
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Post by griffa on Apr 29, 2024 14:59:11 GMT 1
I've played football, I'm a qualified FA Coach, watched professional football, referred many Junior Football matches, I understand football. Must agree, we often see baffling refereeing decisions, at the Professional Level. Could list a number of dodgy current Professional Referees, was shocked when I found that Jarred Gillett, who is now a FIFA Referee! Understand that he Refereed his 1st Professional game in England at the John Smiths Stadium. Every time I watched him referee he makes awful dodgy decisions, yet he's known a FIFA Referee! Watched Rebecca Welch referee 2 Town games, this season v Hull City & Bristol City, at Ashton Gate. Her performance in both matches was questionable, the penalty award at Bristol, was without doubt very, very poor. So much so 'teddy the terrier,' that PGMOL issued an apology to Huddersfield Town.Rebecca Welch needs to be retrained, or removed from the Referees List, for next season. Our relegation has occurred, due to result of various factors, poor Managerial Appointments, poor quality squad etc, the final nail in the coffin, was the penalty awarded to Bristol City, in the last 30 seconds of that crucial match! No apology, just an acknowledgement of the error. k I stand corrected, you are right, no apology! |
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Post by mosher on Apr 29, 2024 15:07:34 GMT 1
k I stand corrected, you are right, no apology! Wasn't a dig or oneupmanship or whatever mate, just seen it bandied about that they apologised when they didn't. Only on here at work usually, which means I'm late responding to people. For a change I thought I'd be first to point something out  |
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Post by H7 on Apr 29, 2024 16:19:54 GMT 1
We deserve to go down there's no doubt but if we collect those 3 points at Bristol City then the Swansea game is totally different and we maybe find that extra few % at 0-0 to break the deadlock. That ridiculous decision which was 3 minutes over the allotted time as well was the beginning of the end of this season and you could tell that killed any chance we had. All irrelevant now though.
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Post by CurlyWurly on Apr 29, 2024 16:31:53 GMT 1
It is, however, a fact that without her incompetence we would have a chance of staying up.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 29, 2024 16:39:34 GMT 1
All ifs and buts isn’t it. Could argue if mounie didn’t get send off for sod all against Brighton we’d still be in the premier league. He was in good form at the time.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Apr 29, 2024 16:42:05 GMT 1
I’ve accepted we deserve our demise. Maybe R Welsh needs to also accept she’s in the wrong job, her career as a ref will come to a head very soon , they will keep promoting her until she eventually fucks up one of the IMPORTANT clubs , watch holy shit hit the fan then. The worst refeeeing decision involving town I have ever witnessed in nearly 40 years at an absolute crucial time in towns season. Leave and do a job you can actually do to an acceptable standard, for the sake of our beautiful game.
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Post by terrier25 on Apr 29, 2024 19:20:38 GMT 1
I’ve accepted we deserve our demise. Maybe R Welsh needs to also accept she’s in the wrong job, her career as a ref will come to a head very soon , they will keep promoting her until she eventually fucks up one of the IMPORTANT clubs , watch holy shit hit the fan then. The worst refeeeing decision involving town I have ever witnessed in nearly 40 years at an absolute crucial time in towns season. Leave and do a job you can actually do to an acceptable standard, for the sake of our beautiful game. She cant mess up for one of the ‘important clubs’ though because she would have VAR to bail her out. Any incompetencies she has would be hidden in the PL and they could proclaim her a competent referee and justify her rapid rise. I would love it if she refs one of our games next season, but I think she is unlikely to be doing anything below championship now as PGMOL continue to big her up |
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Post by King Curtis on Apr 29, 2024 20:24:47 GMT 1
I’ve accepted we deserve our demise. Maybe R Welsh needs to also accept she’s in the wrong job, her career as a ref will come to a head very soon , they will keep promoting her until she eventually fucks up one of the IMPORTANT clubs , watch holy shit hit the fan then. The worst refeeeing decision involving town I have ever witnessed in nearly 40 years at an absolute crucial time in towns season. Leave and do a job you can actually do to an acceptable standard, for the sake of our beautiful game. Tragically, it isn't her fault she's reffing at a level way above her ability. She ticks a box for all the sandal wearing yogurt eaters. |
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Post by King Curtis on Apr 29, 2024 20:28:00 GMT 1
Where did I suggest that? When I said "ourselves" I meant the club, the management, the players. Calm down. deary me I’m taking the piss out of your post . Which part were you taking the piss out of ? |
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