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Post by Tinpot on Apr 16, 2024 10:24:33 GMT 1
I think the honeymoon period is over and he's not taking any shit now. Fair play. Re Wiles I thought after his first interview he was a one club man. I can see him going back to Rotherham for a fraction of what we paid or free. and then scoring a hat-trick against us, in a playoff final when he comes on as a sub, with 10 mins left in extra time ?? So, your prediction is that we'll be 3-0 up when Wiles is subbed on in stoppage time, in the playoff final, against Rotherham and Ms Welch will be refereeing the game? |
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Post by townarentbest on Apr 16, 2024 12:59:16 GMT 1
These are good points. However, I do think there’s little hope of Wiles ever improving. He’s a footballer whose level is League 1…it’s just what it is, down to ability and temperament. He’s done ok regularly in League 1, yet in the Championship he’s basically a Reading points deduction* away from three relegations in 5 seasons, the worst you can do in a single club starting at this level without dropping to League 2…and with a reasonable likelihood of making it 4 relegations in 6 seasons. Thats GOT to affect your drive. He’s been down, the world didn’t end for him, his career continued. IF he was going to improve, he had to leave Rotherham in summer of 2019. Would no doubt do a half decent job IF we are relegated, but not one worth anything close to his transfer fee, those players get picked up on free’s or a couple hundred thousand every season. If we stay up, the evidence over an extended period dating back to 2018 is that we’d get another season just like this one, a player who at this level doesn’t really do much badly wrong, but is simply not good enough to affect results on a positive basis. Anyone pointing to “potential” or “pre injury” is deluded, he wasn’t that good. Needs to go…but I’ve no idea how we make that happen 🤷♂️ *Reading would have matched Rotherham without their points deduction, but chances are without the deduction and early relegation they’d have picked up extra points in the fight. There could be an element of who Wiles was playing alongside at Rotherham too...the way the team was set up, the roles each player had and how they interacted with each other..Collectively and individually they might look effective, but take one out and plonk him elsewhere and you get what we have, a player who looks like a fish out of water. But actually, he and they DIDN'T look effective collectively or individually at Rotherham at this level...we're imagining that simply because when we signed him some people suggested he was a good signing based on a couple of good video clips, and it became the perceived reality.....over an extended period they and he got relegated (or more or less relegated) EVERY TIME!! They were collectively as a team and individually for Wiles not up to the Championship standard - and for him thats a standard that has stood for six seasons now...its not going to suddenly change. That he's now playing in amongst a team that collectively has been ALMOST relegated for what is nearly 2 seasons, no surprise that he's continuing to look not very effective. He might well look much better if he was dropped into the Leicester squad (although I doubt it!)...but the history over an extended period surely demonstrates that he's pretty likely to continue to be ineffectual at Town in future if we stay up? NOTE - despite how it reads, this is NOT an attack on Wiles, I do like a lot of what I see in him, with some great (bordering on excellent) through ball passing when the pressure has been off, and he's probably easy to get behind in a team thats performing in the top third of League 1...its NOT HIS FAULT that HTFC made the mistake of splashing out and signing someone who simply (and possibly "obviously", but I'm sure there's scouting data available that justifies his signing!?) can't deliver what we needed this season, which is someone to drag us up THIS league! |
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Post by detox on Apr 16, 2024 15:02:52 GMT 1
There could be an element of who Wiles was playing alongside at Rotherham too...the way the team was set up, the roles each player had and how they interacted with each other..Collectively and individually they might look effective, but take one out and plonk him elsewhere and you get what we have, a player who looks like a fish out of water. But actually, he and they DIDN'T look effective collectively or individually at Rotherham at this level...we're imagining that simply because when we signed him some people suggested he was a good signing based on a couple of good video clips, and it became the perceived reality.....over an extended period they and he got relegated (or more or less relegated) EVERY TIME!! They were collectively as a team and individually for Wiles not up to the Championship standard - and for him thats a standard that has stood for six seasons now...its not going to suddenly change. That he's now playing in amongst a team that collectively has been ALMOST relegated for what is nearly 2 seasons, no surprise that he's continuing to look not very effective. He might well look much better if he was dropped into the Leicester squad (although I doubt it!)...but the history over an extended period surely demonstrates that he's pretty likely to continue to be ineffectual at Town in future if we stay up? NOTE - despite how it reads, this is NOT an attack on Wiles, I do like a lot of what I see in him, with some great (bordering on excellent) through ball passing when the pressure has been off, and he's probably easy to get behind in a team thats performing in the top third of League 1...its NOT HIS FAULT that HTFC made the mistake of splashing out and signing someone who simply (and possibly "obviously", but I'm sure there's scouting data available that justifies his signing!?) can't deliver what we needed this season, which is someone to drag us up THIS league! I was thinking more of the season before when Rovrum were 2nd on 90 points in league one, and Wiles made 46 appearances plus 7 as a sub and scored 10 goals...I know he then had an injury and some Rovrum fans were saying he wasn't the same player when he came back and played half a season in the championship. I suspect Town bought him based on his 21-22 season but Rovrum obviously had already recognised he was 'damaged goods'... He also helped Rovrum to promotion in 2019-20..he's still 'only' 24yo (25 tomorrow) so he might come good...or he might not..who knows... |
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Post by townarentbest on Apr 16, 2024 16:53:40 GMT 1
But actually, he and they DIDN'T look effective collectively or individually at Rotherham at this level...we're imagining that simply because when we signed him some people suggested he was a good signing based on a couple of good video clips, and it became the perceived reality.....over an extended period they and he got relegated (or more or less relegated) EVERY TIME!! They were collectively as a team and individually for Wiles not up to the Championship standard - and for him thats a standard that has stood for six seasons now...its not going to suddenly change. That he's now playing in amongst a team that collectively has been ALMOST relegated for what is nearly 2 seasons, no surprise that he's continuing to look not very effective. He might well look much better if he was dropped into the Leicester squad (although I doubt it!)...but the history over an extended period surely demonstrates that he's pretty likely to continue to be ineffectual at Town in future if we stay up? NOTE - despite how it reads, this is NOT an attack on Wiles, I do like a lot of what I see in him, with some great (bordering on excellent) through ball passing when the pressure has been off, and he's probably easy to get behind in a team thats performing in the top third of League 1...its NOT HIS FAULT that HTFC made the mistake of splashing out and signing someone who simply (and possibly "obviously", but I'm sure there's scouting data available that justifies his signing!?) can't deliver what we needed this season, which is someone to drag us up THIS league! I was thinking more of the season before when Rovrum were 2nd on 90 points in league one, and Wiles made 46 appearances plus 7 as a sub and scored 10 goals...I know he then had an injury and some Rovrum fans were saying he wasn't the same player when he came back and played half a season in the championship. I suspect Town bought him based on his 21-22 season but Rovrum obviously had already recognised he was 'damaged goods'... He also helped Rovrum to promotion in 2019-20..he's still 'only' 24yo (25 tomorrow) so he might come good...or he might not..who knows... I think you're saying, "he's a proven half decent League 1 player". Which is also what I'm saying. |
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 17, 2024 15:28:21 GMT 1
I was thinking more of the season before when Rovrum were 2nd on 90 points in league one, and Wiles made 46 appearances plus 7 as a sub and scored 10 goals...I know he then had an injury and some Rovrum fans were saying he wasn't the same player when he came back and played half a season in the championship. I suspect Town bought him based on his 21-22 season but Rovrum obviously had already recognised he was 'damaged goods'... He also helped Rovrum to promotion in 2019-20..he's still 'only' 24yo (25 tomorrow) so he might come good...or he might not..who knows... I think you're saying, "he's a proven half decent League 1 player". Which is also what I'm saying. Or at least, he was at Rotherham before his injury. I'm yet to see anything in him that makes me think he'd be half decent in the division below. If he's anywhere near the starting lineup on the opening day of next season then - regardless of which division we are in - that points to failure in yet another transfer window to address our weakness in midfield. |
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