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Post by goodbet on Apr 24, 2024 16:07:23 GMT 1
Dean was good until he wasn't. He never took us back to the 3rd level but it was getting closer year by year and he took us to the brink last year. We are now seeing that the state he left the club in is finally coming back to bite us, because the new owner put his faith in a bunch of chancers that had no concept of what they had and what was needed to be done to turn the ship around. I just think his priorities changed with that ongoing illness I think that we all can understand that. He could have got rid of the club earlier and I think that probably we would have all been better off if he had. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 24, 2024 16:18:35 GMT 1
I just think his priorities changed with that ongoing illness I think that we all can understand that. He could have got rid of the club earlier and I think that probably we would have all been better off if he had. He did. He sold it to Phil Hodgkinson in May 2019, who couldn't afford to run it and had gone bust by October 2021. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 24, 2024 16:26:40 GMT 1
Should we refer to the Phil Hodgkinson era as the Truss period in our history?
We could mark the occasion annually by putting a lettuce out to rot…
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Post by goodbet on Apr 24, 2024 16:27:59 GMT 1
I think that we all can understand that. He could have got rid of the club earlier and I think that probably we would have all been better off if he had. He did. He sold it to Phil Hodgkinson in May 2019, who couldn't afford to run it and had gone bust by October 2021. Not his only option at the time and there were others at other times as well. |
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Post by Dan on Apr 24, 2024 16:30:13 GMT 1
Should we refer to the Phil Hodgkinson era as the Truss period in our history? We could mark the occasion annually by putting a lettuce out to rot… The year is 2042 and Town have lost at home to Preston and there will be posts on here asking why Phil Hodgkinson is getting away without any blame for all this... |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 24, 2024 16:32:32 GMT 1
Should we refer to the Phil Hodgkinson era as the Truss period in our history? We could mark the occasion annually by putting a lettuce out to rot… The year is 2042 and Town have lost at home to Preston and there will be posts on here asking why Phil Hodgkinson is getting away without any blame for all this... Meanwhile, the supporters are asking when the club will bring Sorba out from the cryo chamber to take our set pieces… In other news, Josh Koroma’s lad has signed a new jet boot deal with Adidas… |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Apr 24, 2024 16:34:37 GMT 1
His focus should lie in better places than trying to pick a argument over one daft post. Why? Justasmithers has no actual input into the running of the club, has no role to fulfill within the club, he is literally JUST a go-between. Personally I'm happy that we've got a (seemingly) genuinely interested bloke coming on here, reading our worries and hopes, who has the ear of the owner. Now if he was Cartwright or Edwards (or Nagle himself) coming on here arguing over a post that would be a different matter. You actually believe that. He has been at KN’s side from the very beginning going by the UTT videos yet he has no input what so ever ? You don’t think that maybe just maybe we are told that so he can be active on here for the club but remain “just a fan” so he is accepted, naivety. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Apr 24, 2024 16:35:02 GMT 1
I'm with you regarding dean 👍 The best chairman in my lifetime and I have been watching since the mid 70,s so like a few more on here..seen a lot He wasn't wealthy enough to be able to back us any more than he did,he would have soon been out of pocket had he done so My local side donny rovers owner is wealthier than Dean,a personal wealth of half a billion and they spend fcuk all We have had 11 great years with Dean in charge and he Never took us back to that hell hole called league 1 He's a good man and has to spend the rest of his life with a life threatening condition Dean was good until he wasn't. He never took us back to the 3rd level but it was getting closer year by year and he took us to the brink last year. We are now seeing that the state he left the club in is finally coming back to bite us, because the new owner put his faith in a bunch of chancers that had no concept of what they had and what was needed to be done to turn the ship around. True but they didn't have that long to turn the ship around. We were on the backfoot all summer. A new Owner, CEO, Sporting Director, new coaching staff. I thought the decision to keep Warnock and therefore some consistency was a good idea but I expected he would have been here for the full season. I was at that Warnock evening dinner party after the Reading match, Warnock said he thought Nagle was ambitious, seemed genuine, wouldn't stop ringing him (presumably trying to get him to stay) but described him as 'a bit naive'. Warnock was in charge of the early part of Summer transfer recruitment. Warnock claimed in an interview (might have been two separate ones) Edwards, the reserve GK and Ben Wiles were his signing, he also stated in another interview it was the recruitment team (Cartwright) who brought in Burgzorg later in the window. Cartwright didn't officially join Town until early July, Clubs are already a long way down the line in terms of recruitment by then. Failing to sign a striker either on loan or permanently in Summer has cost us several points. Warnock said we couldn't compete with some of his targets in terms of wages, Cartwright wasn't able to to bring anyone in either when he came on board. The player budget submitted to the EFL before Nagle officially took charge couldn't be changed in time for when then transfer window in Summer ended. We haven't been fit enough all season, run out of gas and suffered so many injuries. We spent pre season in a very wet Cornwall playing non league sides (and drawing 0-0). We'd have very likely been ok though if we'd carried on with Warnock's style of play, his motivation, temperament and his nature, I'm 95% sure we'd have managed more points under him than we mustered under Darren Moore. Warnock, Edwards, Cartwright and Nagle all responsible with why Warnock left the club and when he did. Something went wrong, what it is a mystery to most of us. Appointment of Moore has cost us too, Edwards and Cartwright to blame for that. Nagle stumped up the cash in January but none of the four signings have done enough during their time, either themselves being unfit or not capable to do the job we really needed them to do. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 24, 2024 16:42:36 GMT 1
I think hodgkinson did alright
He cleared all hoyles deadwood who were sat on massive contracts but couldn’t be arsed to put in the effort; Pritchard, mbenza, kongolo, diakhaby, Sobhi etc
He pulled the trigger on the hopeless siewert quickly - had he dithered a month longer he’d had relegated us
He got us through the covid seasons - we ran a tight ship and were one of only two Boxing Day fixtures to go ahead from memory
He appointed CC and made decent appointments and basically the 21/22 side was the side he created before his business went bust
He did sanction ambitious signings like ESR and colwill while we did good value business on people like toffolo, Thomas, Nichols etc
All opinions but I think he was the right tracks just lacked the money - ie we could have adebayo and Szmodics right now if he’d got a little more brass
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Post by rothwellterrier on Apr 24, 2024 16:49:04 GMT 1
Why? Justasmithers has no actual input into the running of the club, has no role to fulfill within the club, he is literally JUST a go-between. Personally I'm happy that we've got a (seemingly) genuinely interested bloke coming on here, reading our worries and hopes, who has the ear of the owner. Now if he was Cartwright or Edwards (or Nagle himself) coming on here arguing over a post that would be a different matter. You actually believe that. He has been at KN’s side from the very beginning going by the UTT videos yet he has no input what so ever ? You don’t think that maybe just maybe we are told that so he can be active on here for the club but remain “just a fan” so he is accepted, naivety. He’s a sports radio phone in host and an old friend of KN’s. He’s a conduit on here and probably speaks quite a lot with the owner, his friend. Not everything in life is a bloody conspiracy. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Apr 24, 2024 17:10:16 GMT 1
You actually believe that. He has been at KN’s side from the very beginning going by the UTT videos yet he has no input what so ever ? You don’t think that maybe just maybe we are told that so he can be active on here for the club but remain “just a fan” so he is accepted, naivety. He’s a sports radio phone in host and an old friend of KN’s. He’s a conduit on here and probably speaks quite a lot with the owner, his friend. Not everything in life is a bloody conspiracy. I wouldn’t call it a conspiracy I’d call it in the face obvious. But you believe what you want and so shall I. |
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Post by terriers321 on Apr 24, 2024 17:13:20 GMT 1
I think hodgkinson did alright He cleared all hoyles deadwood who were sat on massive contracts but couldn’t be arsed to put in the effort; Pritchard, mbenza, kongolo, diakhaby, Sobhi etc He pulled the trigger on the hopeless siewert quickly - had he dithered a month longer he’d had relegated us He got us through the covid seasons - we ran a tight ship and were one of only two Boxing Day fixtures to go ahead from memory He appointed CC and made decent appointments and basically the 21/22 side was the side he created before his business went bust He did sanction ambitious signings like ESR and colwill while we did good value business on people like toffolo, Thomas, Nichols etc All opinions but I think he was the right tracks just lacked the money - ie we could have adebayo and Szmodics right now if he’d got a little more brass Then our lord saviour Dean Hoyle stepped back in. Through the goodness of his heart, nothing to do with his investment or bank balance. States he wanted to sell the club but didnt as he thought he had struck gold with the club looking like it could go back up. And when it didnt happen, took a side that finished third to a relegation battle due to letting our best players and a top manager go with no investment or adequate replacements. Thank you Dean. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 24, 2024 17:25:55 GMT 1
I think hodgkinson did alright He cleared all hoyles deadwood who were sat on massive contracts but couldn’t be arsed to put in the effort; Pritchard, mbenza, kongolo, diakhaby, Sobhi etc He pulled the trigger on the hopeless siewert quickly - had he dithered a month longer he’d had relegated us He got us through the covid seasons - we ran a tight ship and were one of only two Boxing Day fixtures to go ahead from memory He appointed CC and made decent appointments and basically the 21/22 side was the side he created before his business went bust He did sanction ambitious signings like ESR and colwill while we did good value business on people like toffolo, Thomas, Nichols etc All opinions but I think he was the right tracks just lacked the money - ie we could have adebayo and Szmodics right now if he’d got a little more brass He didn't clear the deadwood, their contracts ran out. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 24, 2024 17:26:33 GMT 1
I think hodgkinson did alright He cleared all hoyles deadwood who were sat on massive contracts but couldn’t be arsed to put in the effort; Pritchard, mbenza, kongolo, diakhaby, Sobhi etc He pulled the trigger on the hopeless siewert quickly - had he dithered a month longer he’d had relegated us He got us through the covid seasons - we ran a tight ship and were one of only two Boxing Day fixtures to go ahead from memory He appointed CC and made decent appointments and basically the 21/22 side was the side he created before his business went bust He did sanction ambitious signings like ESR and colwill while we did good value business on people like toffolo, Thomas, Nichols etc All opinions but I think he was the right tracks just lacked the money - ie we could have adebayo and Szmodics right now if he’d got a little more brass Then our lord saviour Dean Hoyle stepped back in. Through the goodness of his heart, nothing to do with his investment or bank balance. States he wanted to sell the club but didnt as he thought he had struck gold with the club looking like it could go back up. And when it didnt happen, took a side that finished third to a relegation battle due to letting our best players and a top manager go with no investment or adequate replacements. Thank you Dean. So would you rather he not step in and the club go bust? 🤔 |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 24, 2024 17:28:31 GMT 1
You actually believe that. He has been at KN’s side from the very beginning going by the UTT videos yet he has no input what so ever ? You don’t think that maybe just maybe we are told that so he can be active on here for the club but remain “just a fan” so he is accepted, naivety. He’s a sports radio phone in host and an old friend of KN’s. He’s a conduit on here and probably speaks quite a lot with the owner, his friend. Not everything in life is a bloody conspiracy. By his own admission, he's an advisor to HTAFC. |
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Post by Wingman on Apr 24, 2024 17:36:20 GMT 1
I suspect the club probably do know how the fanbase feels, as Carmichael Dave is a regular contributor. The thing is, it's one thing us all venting on here but that ultimately is not going to change how the team performs on Saturday. Andre needs to set us up to win, and motivate the lads to do so. The crowd need to back the lads from the first minute but also the team need to respond and show some effort. A win on Saturday would garner a real appreciation from the crowd, no question. With all due respect, this site is a very small sample of the fanbase, and most of the responses to Dave have been positive. There's a hell of a lot of people that DON'T come on here and they might have different opinions. Ah but I thought DATM was the centre of the Town fan opinion universe? Every day is a school day! It's good CD does drop on here, at least he can be a barometer of opinion on a popular Town forum, rather than sifting through the absolute bile on Facebook, X etc. |
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Post by ldr on Apr 24, 2024 17:44:27 GMT 1
With all due respect, this site is a very small sample of the fanbase, and most of the responses to Dave have been positive. There's a hell of a lot of people that DON'T come on here and they might have different opinions. Ah but I thought DATM was the centre of the Town fan opinion universe? Every day is a school day! It's good CD does drop on here, at least he can be a barometer of opinion on a popular Town forum, rather than sifting through the absolute bile on Facebook, X etc. When in hospitality at the Millwall match, Jack Rudoni popped into our box. He was talking about his hamstring injury and one of the lads mentioned some talk on DATM about been able to play with an hamstring injury. He genuinely did not know what DATM was! He said do all fans go on it and I said no, just the miserable old bastards. |
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Post by terriers321 on Apr 24, 2024 17:46:17 GMT 1
Then our lord saviour Dean Hoyle stepped back in. Through the goodness of his heart, nothing to do with his investment or bank balance. States he wanted to sell the club but didnt as he thought he had struck gold with the club looking like it could go back up. And when it didnt happen, took a side that finished third to a relegation battle due to letting our best players and a top manager go with no investment or adequate replacements. Thank you Dean. So would you rather he not step in and the club go bust? 🤔 Dean was looking after his own self interests not the clubs. He chose Phil as he was the only clown that would agree terms to his dodgy deal. Covid stopped that in its tracks. He had no choice but to step in, he still owned a percentage of the club. Again, when he could have sold it on he chose to keep it as he saw the potential Prem £££. And when that backfired he was back to letting the club rot. He could have got some of his coin back but in the end his own greed cost him. |
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Post by goodbet on Apr 24, 2024 18:06:04 GMT 1
Dean was good until he wasn't. He never took us back to the 3rd level but it was getting closer year by year and he took us to the brink last year. We are now seeing that the state he left the club in is finally coming back to bite us, because the new owner put his faith in a bunch of chancers that had no concept of what they had and what was needed to be done to turn the ship around. True but they didn't have that long to turn the ship around. AgreedWe were on the backfoot all summer. I don't see why, you don't buy a company and then have no idea what to do with it, especially if you have a similar club over the pond.A new Owner, CEO, Sporting Director, new coaching staff. I thought the decision to keep Warnock and therefore some consistency was a good idea but I expected he would have been here for the full season. New but not up to their jobI was at that Warnock evening dinner party after the Reading match, Warnock said he thought Nagle was ambitious, seemed genuine, wouldn't stop ringing him (presumably trying to get him to stay) but described him as 'a bit naive'. He looks like he was perceptive based on the evidence to date Warnock was in charge of the early part of Summer transfer recruitment. Warnock claimed in an interview (might have been two separate ones) Edwards, the reserve GK and Ben Wiles were his signing, he also stated in another interview it was the recruitment team (Cartwright) who brought in Burgzorg later in the window. SoCartwright didn't officially join Town until early July, Clubs are already a long way down the line in terms of recruitment by then. He did not take stock of the club and the transfers made and based on January still hasn't learned anything Failing to sign a striker either on loan or permanently in Summer has cost us several points. Warnock said we couldn't compete with some of his targets in terms of wages, Cartwright wasn't able to to bring anyone in either when he came on board. The player budget submitted to the EFL before Nagle officially took charge couldn't be changed in time for when then transfer window in Summer ended. It could have been if we had a team ready to go when the sale of the club was compleated.We haven't been fit enough all season, run out of gas and suffered so many injuries. We spent pre season in a very wet Cornwall playing non league sides (and drawing 0-0). I agree We'd have very likely been ok though if we'd carried on with Warnock's style of play, his motivation, temperament and his nature, I'm 95% sure we'd have managed more points under him than we mustered under Darren Moore. I agreeWarnock, Edwards, Cartwright and Nagle all responsible with why Warnock left the club and when he did. Something went wrong, what it is a mystery to most of us. The tweeting seems to be the most obvious reason (or the final one anyway)Appointment of Moore has cost us too, Edwards and Cartwright to blame for that. AgreedNagle stumped up the cash in January but none of the four signings have done enough during their time, either themselves being unfit or not capable to do the job we really needed them to do. Agreed We are not that far apart are we. |
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Apr 24, 2024 18:29:46 GMT 1
This should be stuck on the home dressing room door in bold capitals. Motivational speaker speaks. The vast majority of people do better with a carrot rather than a stick. We have suffered some awful seasons but slagging players off and booing is so counter productive. Smug git speaks. This is a message board, not to be taken literally. |
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Post by goodbet on Apr 24, 2024 18:33:10 GMT 1
So would you rather he not step in and the club go bust? 🤔 Dean was looking after his own self interests not the clubs. He chose Phil as he was the only clown that would agree terms to his dodgy deal. Covid stopped that in its tracks. He had no choice but to step in, he still owned a percentage of the club. Again, when he could have sold it on he chose to keep it as he saw the potential Prem £££. And when that backfired he was back to letting the club rot. He could have got some of his coin back but in the end his own greed cost him. The potential Premiership opportunity was a bit of a surprise as that was a season where we ran against the general direction we were running to as a club both before and afterwards. In the close season Dean let it be known that the manager could not get the targets that he had wanted so the manager decided to jump ship and we continued on our downward slope to the third tier. And so ended our potential Premiership £££. |
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Post by workshyfop on Apr 24, 2024 18:46:02 GMT 1
So would you rather he not step in and the club go bust? 🤔 Dean was looking after his own self interests not the clubs. He chose Phil as he was the only clown that would agree terms to his dodgy deal. Covid stopped that in its tracks. He had no choice but to step in, he still owned a percentage of the club. Again, when he could have sold it on he chose to keep it as he saw the potential Prem £££. And when that backfired he was back to letting the club rot. He could have got some of his coin back but in the end his own greed cost him. I think he might have sold to Marcus Evans, but then when we got to the playoff final gambled on us going up. Not sure how close that deal ever was. The Hodgkinson “sale” was certainly ruled by self-interest rather than the future of the club. |
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Post by ldr on Apr 24, 2024 19:06:01 GMT 1
Dean was looking after his own self interests not the clubs. He chose Phil as he was the only clown that would agree terms to his dodgy deal. Covid stopped that in its tracks. He had no choice but to step in, he still owned a percentage of the club. Again, when he could have sold it on he chose to keep it as he saw the potential Prem £££. And when that backfired he was back to letting the club rot. He could have got some of his coin back but in the end his own greed cost him. I think he might have sold to Marcus Evans, but then when we got to the playoff final gambled on us going up. Not sure how close that deal ever was. The Hodgkinson “sale” was certainly ruled by self-interest rather than the future of the club. Marcus Evans extremely disliked by the two Ipswich fans I know as his ownership coincided with their drift down to league 1. Saying that, he did bring in some high profile coaches before the new ownership (which sounds quite mysterious) chanced upon a young, forward thinking coach, like we did with Carlos. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2024 19:09:15 GMT 1
Motivational speaker speaks. The vast majority of people do better with a carrot rather than a stick. We have suffered some awful seasons but slagging players off and booing is so counter productive. Smug git speaks. This is a message board, not to be taken literally. You don’t want to be challenged then don’t post it. Simples. |
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Post by mosher on Apr 24, 2024 19:16:35 GMT 1
Why? Justasmithers has no actual input into the running of the club, has no role to fulfill within the club, he is literally JUST a go-between. Personally I'm happy that we've got a (seemingly) genuinely interested bloke coming on here, reading our worries and hopes, who has the ear of the owner. Now if he was Cartwright or Edwards (or Nagle himself) coming on here arguing over a post that would be a different matter. You actually believe that. He has been at KN’s side from the very beginning going by the UTT videos yet he has no input what so ever ? You don’t think that maybe just maybe we are told that so he can be active on here for the club but remain “just a fan” so he is accepted, naivety. How is that naive? He’s not listed ANYWHERE as an official at the club He MAY have been encouraged by KN to post positive stuff but he’s no employee of the club Edit: when I say MAY I mean probably has, but that doesn’t mean he’s some kind of puppet, I think it’s quite disrespectful to imply as such personally, especially as in some posts he has addressed some negative stuff |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 24, 2024 19:26:50 GMT 1
Why? Justasmithers has no actual input into the running of the club, has no role to fulfill within the club, he is literally JUST a go-between. Personally I'm happy that we've got a (seemingly) genuinely interested bloke coming on here, reading our worries and hopes, who has the ear of the owner. Now if he was Cartwright or Edwards (or Nagle himself) coming on here arguing over a post that would be a different matter. You actually believe that. He has been at KN’s side from the very beginning going by the UTT videos yet he has no input what so ever ? You don’t think that maybe just maybe we are told that so he can be active on here for the club but remain “just a fan” so he is accepted, naivety. Someone's a bit paranoid. He has zero input to anything club related. |
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Post by itkterrier on Apr 24, 2024 21:13:29 GMT 1
I think hodgkinson did alright He cleared all hoyles deadwood who were sat on massive contracts but couldn’t be arsed to put in the effort; Pritchard, mbenza, kongolo, diakhaby, Sobhi etc He pulled the trigger on the hopeless siewert quickly - had he dithered a month longer he’d had relegated us He got us through the covid seasons - we ran a tight ship and were one of only two Boxing Day fixtures to go ahead from memory He appointed CC and made decent appointments and basically the 21/22 side was the side he created before his business went bust He did sanction ambitious signings like ESR and colwill while we did good value business on people like toffolo, Thomas, Nichols etc All opinions but I think he was the right tracks just lacked the money - ie we could have adebayo and Szmodics right now if he’d got a little more brass Always said if Phil had the money we wouldn’t be in this mess |
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Post by softboy on Apr 24, 2024 21:34:42 GMT 1
I don’t think any of us are really toxic but watching Town up and down the country most weeks I just thought this season would be stability, which hasn’t worked out. DM wasn’t the right choice but AB isn’t the answer. I’m still clinching a straws but his lack of passion on the touch line is as bad as I’ve seen. He is clearly here to learn about English Football and if/when we go down he will be off like a shot (hopefully).
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Post by space hardware on Apr 24, 2024 21:57:08 GMT 1
I think hodgkinson did alright He cleared all hoyles deadwood who were sat on massive contracts but couldn’t be arsed to put in the effort; Pritchard, mbenza, kongolo, diakhaby, Sobhi etc He pulled the trigger on the hopeless siewert quickly - had he dithered a month longer he’d had relegated us He got us through the covid seasons - we ran a tight ship and were one of only two Boxing Day fixtures to go ahead from memory He appointed CC and made decent appointments and basically the 21/22 side was the side he created before his business went bust He did sanction ambitious signings like ESR and colwill while we did good value business on people like toffolo, Thomas, Nichols etc All opinions but I think he was the right tracks just lacked the money - ie we could have adebayo and Szmodics right now if he’d got a little more brass Always said if Phil had the money we wouldn’t be in this mess But he didn't, and he knew he didn't. He never had the physical cash to run a Championship club. He had money tied up in businesses that were, to be generous, built on dodgy foundations. The deal that he and Hoyle cooked up was a disgrace. |
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Post by workshyfop on Apr 24, 2024 22:37:51 GMT 1
Without reading the previous 7 or 8 pages, we must have the most patient and least toxic fans in the country. Over the last 10 years, we’ve let in the most goals, lost the most matches (think we were third last I saw behind Birmingham and QPR) and had the biggest wankers playing for us! The fact there hasn’t been a riot and attendances have remained decent is a credit to Town supporters. It’s been shite for a long time. I left the area 15 years ago and average 5/6 games a season and have seen 12 wins. I’d like to think I’d just been unlucky, but that’s probably not too bad compared to everyone else. Town fans are the last to blame here and will be around long after the parasites and phoneys have gone.
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