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Post by arry11 on Jul 5, 2024 21:30:07 GMT 1
We can't just go with 2 players who's style of play will always result in injuries 2 players for every position plus a youngster in reserve is about right. 3 first teamers for every position isn’t realistic. So unless hoggy is really taking a backwards step or they sell kasumu, I can’t see another specialist 6 coming in. Between them both last season they missed 25 games that's not acceptable if you wish to challenge at the top.
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Post by Hazza on Jul 5, 2024 21:46:29 GMT 1
Not saying I agree with it. I wouldn’t have given Hoggy another contract. But now they have I think it’s doubtful. But let’s see. I hope they do. If they can offload high maybe
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 5, 2024 21:49:55 GMT 1
2 players for every position plus a youngster in reserve is about right. 3 first teamers for every position isn’t realistic. So unless hoggy is really taking a backwards step or they sell kasumu, I can’t see another specialist 6 coming in. Between them both last season they missed 25 games that's not acceptable if you wish to challenge at the top. Your stat is highly misleading in my opinion, assuming it is actually correct, given that Hazza was only talking about one position. There were only 2 occasions where neither Hogg nor Kasumu were in the match day squad by my reckoning: Man City A and Birmingham City A. So between them they were overwhelmingly available.
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Post by arry11 on Jul 5, 2024 21:51:40 GMT 1
Not saying I agree with it. I wouldn’t have given Hoggy another contract. But now they have I think it’s doubtful. But let’s see. I hope they do. If they can offload high maybe Why would you doubt it we have some cash to fill a few spots and that place is one we need to cover given there injury records.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Jul 5, 2024 21:55:21 GMT 1
2 players for every position plus a youngster in reserve is about right. 3 first teamers for every position isn’t realistic. So unless hoggy is really taking a backwards step or they sell kasumu, I can’t see another specialist 6 coming in. Between them both last season they missed 25 games that's not acceptable if you wish to challenge at the top. In fairness to all the players who were injured last season, there was a point under Moore where everyone was getting knocks and we were wondering what we were doing in training.
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Post by arry11 on Jul 5, 2024 22:06:58 GMT 1
Between them both last season they missed 25 games that's not acceptable if you wish to challenge at the top. In fairness to all the players who were injured last season, there was a point under Moore where everyone was getting knocks and we were wondering what we were doing in training. I can accept what you say but these 2 miss games regular away not through training they are very physical players. And we should be looking for Hoggy's replacement anyway.
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Post by Hazza on Jul 5, 2024 22:07:27 GMT 1
Not saying I agree with it. I wouldn’t have given Hoggy another contract. But now they have I think it’s doubtful. But let’s see. I hope they do. If they can offload high maybe Why would you doubt it we have some cash to fill a few spots and that place is one we need to cover given there injury records. I think I’ve explained my thought process. Let’s wait and see. Some good signings through the door though. Positive signs.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Jul 5, 2024 22:14:57 GMT 1
In fairness to all the players who were injured last season, there was a point under Moore where everyone was getting knocks and we were wondering what we were doing in training. I can accept what you say but these 2 miss games regular away not through training they are very physical players. And we should be looking for Hoggy's replacement anyway. Hogg is like Ronaldo tonight in a sense of the sooner we move on the better. Been a good servant but only really shone when mooy was here, the whole fanfare surrounding Hogg has saved him for a few years but it’s time to thanks and get a new stalwart in the middle.
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Post by RickDangerous on Jul 5, 2024 22:33:50 GMT 1
I can accept what you say but these 2 miss games regular away not through training they are very physical players. And we should be looking for Hoggy's replacement anyway. Hogg is like Ronaldo tonight in a sense of the sooner we move on the better. Been a good servant but only really shone when mooy was here, the whole fanfare surrounding Hogg has saved him for a few years but it’s time to thanks and get a new stalwart in the middle. Codswallop.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Jul 5, 2024 23:01:00 GMT 1
Hogg is like Ronaldo tonight in a sense of the sooner we move on the better. Been a good servant but only really shone when mooy was here, the whole fanfare surrounding Hogg has saved him for a few years but it’s time to thanks and get a new stalwart in the middle. Codswallop. Which part?
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jul 5, 2024 23:32:11 GMT 1
So where is there improvement on our defensive midfield we had Matos last year for a reason. …in the Championship
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Post by arry11 on Jul 5, 2024 23:49:18 GMT 1
So where is there improvement on our defensive midfield we had Matos last year for a reason. …in the Championship I it was and i thought that's where we need to be next season we still have scope to strengthen that roll.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 6, 2024 0:29:31 GMT 1
Id imagine mainly the bit about him only shining when Mooy was here. Hoggs been practically the first name on the team sheet more of less for most of the seasons hes been here, with or without mooy. Hes obviously passed his best but hes not finished. I think he'll do well in league 1 and has certainly been worth keeping on.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 6, 2024 3:12:08 GMT 1
Id imagine mainly the bit about him only shining when Mooy was here. Hoggs been practically the first name on the team sheet more of less for most of the seasons hes been here, with or without mooy. Hes obviously passed his best but hes not finished. I think he'll do well in league 1 and has certainly been worth keeping on. I really hope he does well. Nothing worse than a player that holds on for a season too long. That said, I agree that Kasamu hasn’t quite done enough at Championship level and would like to see him also have a good season. We really need this part of midfield to step up this year, not only shielding our defence, but linking up our backline with our midfield. If Hoggy is set to retire next year, it’s a real conundrum, do we bring in another defensive mid to be mentored by Hoggy, or do we wait and see what division we are in next year and buy either the best League 1 defensive mid or a Championship ready defensive midfielder.
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Post by arry11 on Jul 6, 2024 3:36:17 GMT 1
Id imagine mainly the bit about him only shining when Mooy was here. Hoggs been practically the first name on the team sheet more of less for most of the seasons hes been here, with or without mooy. Hes obviously passed his best but hes not finished. I think he'll do well in league 1 and has certainly been worth keeping on. I really hope he does well. Nothing worse than a player that holds on for a season too long. That said, I agree that Kasamu hasn’t quite done enough at Championship level and would like to see him also have a good season. We really need this part of midfield to step up this year, not only shielding our defence, but linking up our backline with our midfield. If Hoggy is set to retire next year, it’s a real conundrum, do we bring in another defensive mid to be mentored by Hoggy, or do we wait and see what division we are in next year and buy either the best League 1 defensive mid or a Championship ready defensive midfielder. I would start by looking now the club needed a rebuild and so far we seem to be doing a decent job of it but we should not rest on our laurels and you never know who will become availble later.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 6, 2024 3:40:45 GMT 1
I really hope he does well. Nothing worse than a player that holds on for a season too long. That said, I agree that Kasamu hasn’t quite done enough at Championship level and would like to see him also have a good season. We really need this part of midfield to step up this year, not only shielding our defence, but linking up our backline with our midfield. If Hoggy is set to retire next year, it’s a real conundrum, do we bring in another defensive mid to be mentored by Hoggy, or do we wait and see what division we are in next year and buy either the best League 1 defensive mid or a Championship ready defensive midfielder. I would start by looking now the club needed a rebuild and so far we seem to be doing a decent job of it but we should not rest on our laurels and you never know who will become availble later. I think staying nimble would be the best solution. We don’t want to end up with a player that is no use to us if we go up but if the right player becomes available to us then we should be ready to make the move for them.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jul 6, 2024 8:27:23 GMT 1
He will be playing less but will dominate the games in league 1
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Post by Jimuano on Jul 6, 2024 8:58:42 GMT 1
Id imagine mainly the bit about him only shining when Mooy was here. Hoggs been practically the first name on the team sheet more of less for most of the seasons hes been here, with or without mooy. Hes obviously passed his best but hes not finished. I think he'll do well in league 1 and has certainly been worth keeping on. I really hope he does well. Nothing worse than a player that holds on for a season too long. That said, I agree that Kasamu hasn’t quite done enough at Championship level and would like to see him also have a good season. We really need this part of midfield to step up this year, not only shielding our defence, but linking up our backline with our midfield. If Hoggy is set to retire next year, it’s a real conundrum, do we bring in another defensive mid to be mentored by Hoggy, or do we wait and see what division we are in next year and buy either the best League 1 defensive mid or a Championship ready defensive midfielder. I think we should use Hogg in a Whitehead kind of role - used sparingly to see out/ oversee games with his assuredness & immense experience. We should bring in Erhahon from Lincoln: still young, already a very decent player with lots of potential, and somebody to anchor the midfield for a few years.
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Post by Arbie 1976. on Jul 6, 2024 9:08:01 GMT 1
Poor or not he was there to make up the numbers for an ageing Hogg and Kasumu must agree with Matos, good engine, poor with the ball and spent a lot of the time on the floor. Will not be a Chelsea squad player. Think we have signed better players now. UTT.
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Jul 6, 2024 9:12:59 GMT 1
I know football is about opinions, but personally I find it hard to understand anyone who doesn’t see the value in Hoggy.
Age catches up with all of us, but he is only 35 and in modern football that is not that old, especially for someone who keeps themselves as fit as Hoggy does. A fit Hoggy in League 1, even if doesn’t play every match, will be a huge asset.
Comparing a 35 year old in league one with a 39 year old in an International tournament is comparing apples with oranges.
If Iorpenda is deemed ready to contribute and Sorensen can cover in CM if required, then I think we are decent shape in CM.
Last season was shit…but it is a new dawn…let’s be positive and excited, no point being negative and downbeat before a ball has even been kicked!
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Post by blueandwhiteterrier on Jul 6, 2024 9:20:21 GMT 1
Has anyone heard anything about possible strikers? I think we need one. Loan out Ward even if we have to compensate part of his salary, and sell Hudlin. Just my opinion...
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Post by ruggedivy on Jul 6, 2024 9:32:14 GMT 1
Personally feel we need a proven striker who has scored goals regularly at a similar level. Prem loans are great but strikers have a high failure rate and I think we need someone we know will guarantee us at least 15-20 goals
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Post by theterrier42 on Jul 6, 2024 9:46:18 GMT 1
So where is there improvement on our defensive midfield we had Matos last year for a reason. …in the Championship Matos was bang average anyway
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Post by theravymoomin on Jul 6, 2024 9:58:24 GMT 1
Personally feel we need a proven striker who has scored goals regularly at a similar level. Prem loans are great but strikers have a high failure rate and I think we need someone we know will guarantee us at least 15-20 goals I agree, I do think though that heeley is our man to get 15-20, if he stays fit, seen as we missed out on may though, we are obviously looking for another, Part of my thinks we will get devante Cole
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Post by jqhtfc on Jul 6, 2024 10:07:24 GMT 1
Personally feel we need a proven striker who has scored goals regularly at a similar level. Prem loans are great but strikers have a high failure rate and I think we need someone we know will guarantee us at least 15-20 goals I agree, I do think though that heeley is our man to get 15-20, if he stays fit, seen as we missed out on may though, we are obviously looking for another, Part of my thinks we will get devante Cole You see id swerve on Cole as much as it’s about this season the lads 29/30 and will be looking for his last pay day, and has shown he can’t step up a level if we get up.
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Post by incognito on Jul 6, 2024 10:08:44 GMT 1
I wonder what sort of fee (if any) it would take for Luton to consider parting with Joe Taylor.
I think he'd be a more sensible investment than May if the total finances (fee + salary etc) were in a vaguely similar ballpark...
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Jul 6, 2024 10:15:11 GMT 1
Id imagine mainly the bit about him only shining when Mooy was here. Hoggs been practically the first name on the team sheet more of less for most of the seasons hes been here, with or without mooy. Hes obviously passed his best but hes not finished. I think he'll do well in league 1 and has certainly been worth keeping on. He's been the one constant in a team that, apart from the Mooy years, has been dog shit all bar one season.
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Post by Kenny irons on Jul 6, 2024 10:29:08 GMT 1
Both Lee Nicholls & Sorba Thomas will both be moved on if it makes sense for the club. Helik on the other hand would take a daft offer for us to part ways with him at the moment. We’ve had a few enquiries for all 3 but nothing concrete. Young Brodie looks set to stay
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 10:31:33 GMT 1
Both Lee Nicholls & Sorba Thomas will both be moved on if it makes sense for the club. Helik on the other hand would take a daft offer for us to part ways with him at the moment. We’ve had a few enquiries for all 3 but nothing concrete. Young Brodie looks set to stay Are Brum interested in Helik ?
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Post by Kenny irons on Jul 6, 2024 10:33:30 GMT 1
Both Lee Nicholls & Sorba Thomas will both be moved on if it makes sense for the club. Helik on the other hand would take a daft offer for us to part ways with him at the moment. We’ve had a few enquiries for all 3 but nothing concrete. Young Brodie looks set to stay Are Brum interested in Helik ? They enquired but zero chance the club will sell to them even more so after the may fiasco
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