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Post by Jello Biafra on Jul 15, 2024 13:55:49 GMT 1
But both were mainstays in the team when we finished third We also have Helik, who incidentally has now been relegated twice in three seasons. Is he shit too? Far too simplistic to write them off based on goals conceded, especially bearing in mind the state of the rest of the team and the coaching situation. I agree, and I was being facetious. However I struggle to find justification for calling them capable defenders at a level that we've just been relegated from (and nearly were the season before). They're both 3 years older than our play-off season - Lees is 33 and Pearson is 30, they're only going to get worse. Also, any combination of Helik, Pearson and Lees is likely to be a real goal threat from set pieces this year, meaning that their potential contribution(s) to the games become greater.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Jul 15, 2024 13:59:39 GMT 1
I agree, and I was being facetious. However I struggle to find justification for calling them capable defenders at a level that we've just been relegated from (and nearly were the season before). They're both 3 years older than our play-off season - Lees is 33 and Pearson is 30, they're only going to get worse. They're only going to be playing against slower attackers, with less ability. Neither Lees or Pearson have any pace to lose, their experience, strength & character will make them invaluable this coming season, especially if we've lost Balker for a good part of it already. To be clear I don't have any issue with them playing for us in League One, but I took umbrage with the description of them as capable Championship defenders! Anyway, back to the transfer rumours...
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Post by teesdaleterrier on Jul 15, 2024 14:03:46 GMT 1
Balker out til 2025. Need to look at another CB if we weren't already on the hunt for one
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 15, 2024 14:15:31 GMT 1
Balker out til 2025. Need to look at another CB if we weren't already on the hunt for one What's the injury?
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Post by Hellawell on Jul 15, 2024 14:16:22 GMT 1
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 15, 2024 14:28:32 GMT 1
Cheers mate, shit news for the lad & us. It may sound callous but I'd rather something like this now than just after the window shuts.
Best of luck to Radinio, swift recovery.
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Post by ezzie on Jul 15, 2024 14:36:26 GMT 1
Had a feeling he’d be absolutely pivotal in a promotion push. No one in the team can do what he does… have to get out to market and go get a similar style player
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Post by thomo on Jul 15, 2024 14:58:10 GMT 1
Absolutely no doubt in my mind we need to go into the market for a centre back now. If Spencer and Helik do leave we'll need 3!!! I saw the point that Lees and Pearson got us to the play offs but they were helped out massively by Colwill that season and they are 3 years older. At best they need to be backups and never played as part of the same defence.
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Post by arry11 on Jul 15, 2024 15:06:30 GMT 1
Anyone know how Yuta is doing
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Post by nickhtafc82 on Jul 15, 2024 15:07:15 GMT 1
Absolutely no doubt in my mind we need to go into the market for a centre back now. If Spencer and Helik do leave we'll need 3!!! I saw the point that Lees and Pearson got us to the play offs but they were helped out massively by Colwill that season and they are 3 years older. At best they need to be backups and never played as part of the same defence. Totally agree. Colwill was massive for us that season, although he occasionally went missing (as to be expected with a youngster). I think we will keep Helik and Spencer, so I'd ideally hope for a Nabby Sarr or similar type ball playing CB.
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Post by iangreaves on Jul 15, 2024 15:32:54 GMT 1
These "capable Championship centre backs" - along with others - have conceded 140 goals in the last two Championship seasons. I think we’ve more tended to concede goals down to just poor play as a team.whether that been that couldn’t pass water and constantly turning the ball over or just not everyone doing their jobs properly. Lees I like,was very solid the playoff season.Doesn’t do anything outstanding but just dependable generally.I think as the central man in a 3 he would be sound,especially when dropping a level and also mostly second fiddle to Helik if he stays. Pearson I think is a good defender but more in a man for man type style,on the ball he’s pretty terrible,which in a team you would expect to boss the ball is not what you want. He could also probably do a job centrally. The two either side I wouldn’t really want either there unless as a sub.I’d be pretty adamant the wider two of the need some level of pace. It’s unfortunate for balker but I’d be looking for someone who’s got that but that is also fairly capable on the ball,maybe not easy to find,it had to be ultra specific id want a left footer,still think Spencer more than capable on the right.I think ayina is left footed so I wonder if he will get his chance to prove himself in Austria,he did frighten me to death when he’s played previously though,looked like needed talking through a game positionally Looks like we are intending to play with a three - one central conventional centre half and a hybrid centre/full back either side. So the hybrids would be the likes of Spencer, Turton.
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Post by runner76 on Jul 15, 2024 15:45:22 GMT 1
Had a feeling he’d be absolutely pivotal in a promotion push. No one in the team can do what he does… have to get out to market and go get a similar style player If he’s back second half season it’s likely a loan needed….see what we can get from our contacts in the PL…..
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jul 15, 2024 15:47:45 GMT 1
Had a feeling he’d be absolutely pivotal in a promotion push. No one in the team can do what he does… have to get out to market and go get a similar style player If he’s back second half season it’s likely a loan needed….see what we can get from our contacts in the PL….. Duff brought in a belting loan from Burnley, during his Barnsley days in Bobby Thomas. Wonder who Duff could find from an Everton/Burnley stand point this time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2024 15:48:03 GMT 1
Dan Potts is available on a free. Left footed centre back and lots of experience at Championship level. Didn’t feature much last year for Luton though. Id be looking at him, but he surprised if championship clubs aren’t.
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Post by dezzly on Jul 15, 2024 15:55:37 GMT 1
I think we’ve more tended to concede goals down to just poor play as a team.whether that been that couldn’t pass water and constantly turning the ball over or just not everyone doing their jobs properly. Lees I like,was very solid the playoff season.Doesn’t do anything outstanding but just dependable generally.I think as the central man in a 3 he would be sound,especially when dropping a level and also mostly second fiddle to Helik if he stays. Pearson I think is a good defender but more in a man for man type style,on the ball he’s pretty terrible,which in a team you would expect to boss the ball is not what you want. He could also probably do a job centrally. The two either side I wouldn’t really want either there unless as a sub.I’d be pretty adamant the wider two of the need some level of pace. It’s unfortunate for balker but I’d be looking for someone who’s got that but that is also fairly capable on the ball,maybe not easy to find,it had to be ultra specific id want a left footer,still think Spencer more than capable on the right.I think ayina is left footed so I wonder if he will get his chance to prove himself in Austria,he did frighten me to death when he’s played previously though,looked like needed talking through a game positionally Looks like we are intending to play with a three - one central conventional centre half and a hybrid centre/full back either side. So the hybrids would be the likes of Spencer, Turton. Certainly looks to be the case.We do need to be careful not to prioritise been able to be better on the ball too much over actually been able to defend the box though.Unless we’re going for full Peterborough/Ipswich mode this season and just simply trying to out score teams.
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Post by duncfost01 on Jul 15, 2024 19:28:09 GMT 1
Legacy players are difficult to move on. I’ll let you work out who they are.
Midfield feels like we have plenty of options now.
We need at least one striker. We now need at least one centre back. Maybe more.
Still a lot of twists and turns. I hope we are well placed with options should the last day of the window cause some championship clubs come calling for the likes of Nichols,Helik, sorba maybe Spencer.
One very positive note is that we have money which puts us in a better position.
On another positive note I’ve been impressed by our pre-season performances. A definite style and plan developing. Let’s see how they do against stronger opposition.
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Post by keefer on Jul 15, 2024 20:29:28 GMT 1
Harrogate had a trialist centre half who looked very good on the ball and strong in the tackle. He looked big and strong too but not sure how quick he is
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Post by JoelG on Jul 15, 2024 20:44:55 GMT 1
Harrogate had a trialist centre half who looked very good on the ball and strong in the tackle. He looked big and strong too but not sure how quick he is Funnily enough I wondered if this might have been Mustapha Olagunju who was just released from us this summer. I could be wrong but I was pretty sure it was him.
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Post by dezzly on Jul 15, 2024 21:01:25 GMT 1
Harrogate had a trialist centre half who looked very good on the ball and strong in the tackle. He looked big and strong too but not sure how quick he is Funnily enough I wondered if this might have been Mustapha Olagunju who was just released from us this summer. I could be wrong but I was pretty sure it was him. It was him
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Post by Terriersmad on Jul 15, 2024 21:07:30 GMT 1
Harrogate had a trialist centre half who looked very good on the ball and strong in the tackle. He looked big and strong too but not sure how quick he is Funnily enough I wondered if this might have been Mustapha Olagunju who was just released from us this summer. I could be wrong but I was pretty sure it was him. I am 80% sure it was him. He looked familiar, and looking at his profiles makes me think it was. Whoever said Dan Potts - a good shout with the caveat that he hasn't played for over a year. Literally not one game. From what I can see, he had spent the last year injured. Ankle ligaments ruled him out for three months, then two hamstring injuries. Otherwise, exactly the quality of player we should be targeting for that position. Left-sided, still a good age (just turned 30), experience of being a part of multiple winning teams. Full-back or central defender, so ideal for a back three. Just a very large caveat attached.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Jul 15, 2024 21:39:54 GMT 1
Time to nip in and do a “Brum” on them
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Post by richhtfc on Jul 15, 2024 21:52:28 GMT 1
Had a feeling he’d be absolutely pivotal in a promotion push. No one in the team can do what he does… have to get out to market and go get a similar style player What is it he can do that none of the others can? I’ve seen way too little of him to know what his strengths and weaknesses are
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Post by theterrier42 on Jul 15, 2024 22:04:28 GMT 1
Just seen Karamoko Dembele is still available on a free. Think he would add something a bit different and has bags of potential
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Post by ezzie on Jul 15, 2024 22:07:27 GMT 1
Had a feeling he’d be absolutely pivotal in a promotion push. No one in the team can do what he does… have to get out to market and go get a similar style player What is it he can do that none of the others can? I’ve seen way too little of him to know what his strengths and weaknesses are One of the best on the ball CBs I’ve ever seen at Town, even with such limited game time. Fast, powerful, pinging 40 yard diagonals to full backs (did same against Harrogate), cutting through the lines with perfect passes (think Mooy at CB from a passing ability). Runs with the ball confidently and dribbles very well. Huge miss. Weaknesses - injuries apparently :/
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Post by ezzie on Jul 15, 2024 22:07:44 GMT 1
Just seen Karamoko Dembele is still available on a free. Think he would add something a bit different and has bags of potential Will be going to the championship
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2024 6:51:37 GMT 1
What is it he can do that none of the others can? I’ve seen way too little of him to know what his strengths and weaknesses are One of the best on the ball CBs I’ve ever seen at Town, even with such limited game time. Fast, powerful, pinging 40 yard diagonals to full backs (did same against Harrogate), cutting through the lines with perfect passes (think Mooy at CB from a passing ability). Runs with the ball confidently and dribbles very well. Huge miss. Weaknesses - injuries apparently :/ He managed 409 minutes for us from January to the end of the season. Really good player when fit but, like Nakayama, seems to be prone to injury. Not sure if he is awkward in the way he goes for challenges or he stretches too far but he probably won’t play again until the New Year. All players get injuries but some just seem more prone to them. Hope he recovers quicker than expected but a broken bone and an operation are going to take some time to sort out.
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Post by rockwall on Jul 16, 2024 8:52:37 GMT 1
One of the best on the ball CBs I’ve ever seen at Town, even with such limited game time. Fast, powerful, pinging 40 yard diagonals to full backs (did same against Harrogate), cutting through the lines with perfect passes (think Mooy at CB from a passing ability). Runs with the ball confidently and dribbles very well. Huge miss. Weaknesses - injuries apparently :/ He managed 409 minutes for us from January to the end of the season. Really good player when fit but, like Nakayama, seems to be prone to injury. Not sure if he is awkward in the way he goes for challenges or he stretches too far but he probably won’t play again until the New Year. All players get injuries but some just seem more prone to them. Hope he recovers quicker than expected but a broken bone and an operation are going to take some time to sort out. Feel sorry for the both. Don't get me wrong, they have had poor injury records since being here. But the latest ones are just very unlucky. A fractured ankle for Balker and Nakayama getting wiped out by Hogg. I'd genuinely consider offering Yuta a 6 month deal as he is a left footed centre half and can bring the ball forwards. Win win for both him and us. He gets to stay and get minutes after recovery and we get someone in to fill Balkers role.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 16, 2024 9:39:40 GMT 1
Time to nip in and do a “Brum” on them He is a player I'd have liked to see in a town shirt next season but we've recently brought in players who play a similar position in Evans and Kane so I can't see it happening. We've also got Stone coming through the academy.
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Post by cyberman on Jul 16, 2024 9:57:15 GMT 1
Anyone know how Yuta is doing I thought he had been released ?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 16, 2024 10:02:02 GMT 1
He managed 409 minutes for us from January to the end of the season. Really good player when fit but, like Nakayama, seems to be prone to injury. Not sure if he is awkward in the way he goes for challenges or he stretches too far but he probably won’t play again until the New Year. All players get injuries but some just seem more prone to them. Hope he recovers quicker than expected but a broken bone and an operation are going to take some time to sort out. Feel sorry for the both. Don't get me wrong, they have had poor injury records since being here. But the latest ones are just very unlucky. A fractured ankle for Balker and Nakayama getting wiped out by Hogg. I'd genuinely consider offering Yuta a 6 month deal as he is a left footed centre half and can bring the ball forwards. Win win for both him and us. He gets to stay and get minutes after recovery and we get someone in to fill Balkers role. I dont expect huge spending from the club, but I would expect extra money above and beyond to cover for the unexpected injuries etc before the season starts. No playing catch up at the end of the window or trying to sort out issues we already know about in the January window.
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