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Post by htafcokay on Jul 18, 2024 8:47:40 GMT 1
With all these great players we've got (according to some) I'm surprised we went down in the first place. I totally realise it's not easy to offload players, especially those under contract, but I'm concerned how many of the perennial failures are still here. Well no doubt have a few tough spells of the season and these players have proven time and time again they're not up for the fight. Would still love to see these gone: Ward Thomas Koroma Kasumu Pearson Harratt Hudlin Add to that Wiles if we can. Maybe Lees too. We knew Balker wouldn't figure - wish we'd have got rid a few weeks back. Add to that the uncertainty of keeping players that have shown quality - Helik, Spencer and Nicholls. I'm just not convinced about our automatic promotion chances yet. We look very much a side with a half chance of play offs which is just not good enough for me. Hoping we have more up our sleeves but the fact there's so much reshaping of the squad to do as we go into our main pre season matches is a worry for me. Me neither, but we're not allowed to say it. For me, there's too many serial losers still hanging around the place, and until they've gone, I don't think we've much chance of going straight back up. For me, too many of the players just aren't good enough. I don't buy this argument that they'll be class because they've gone down a division. Poor players are still poor players whatever level they play at. Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 18, 2024 9:07:22 GMT 1
Think we have a side mainly made up of players who've proven themselves to be championship players over the seasons and players who have played League 1 football and been successful at that level, either in a winning team and/or in that theyve been pretty much their clubs best player. A lousy, injury wrecked season at a very unstable club doesnt change what they are and will be under the right management. Many of the side were a crap referee away from promotion to the PL just 2 years ago..to think they are now poor players to such a level they will be poor players in league 1 is stretching the negativity to a comedy level.
Id say we obviously have a decent chance of automatic promotion. Doesnt mean we'll get it, but we'll be one of the 4 or 5 who are seriously challenging for it IMO.
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Post by dezzly on Jul 18, 2024 9:24:34 GMT 1
I totally realise it's not easy to offload players, especially those under contract, but I'm concerned how many of the perennial failures are still here. Well no doubt have a few tough spells of the season and these players have proven time and time again they're not up for the fight. Would still love to see these gone: Ward Thomas Koroma Kasumu Pearson Harratt Hudlin Add to that Wiles if we can. Maybe Lees too. We knew Balker wouldn't figure - wish we'd have got rid a few weeks back. Add to that the uncertainty of keeping players that have shown quality - Helik, Spencer and Nicholls. I'm just not convinced about our automatic promotion chances yet. We look very much a side with a half chance of play offs which is just not good enough for me. Hoping we have more up our sleeves but the fact there's so much reshaping of the squad to do as we go into our main pre season matches is a worry for me. Me neither, but we're not allowed to say it. For me, there's too many serial losers still hanging around the place, and until they've gone, I don't think we've much chance of going straight back up. For me, too many of the players just aren't good enough. I don't buy this argument that they'll be class because they've gone down a division. Poor players are still poor players whatever level they play at. Hope I'm wrong. I do take your point.however there are players who were serial losers for 2 seasons but the previous season they got to a playoff final. I’m thinking Nicholls,Pearson,lees,Hogg,ward,turton,koroma,sorba. Now I’m aware they were(or some of them) were dragged up a level by playing with the likes of colwill,o brien,toffolo even sinani but you could argue that signing players such as evans,Sorensen,Kane who are towards the top end of league 1 could do the same. It’s a bit comparing apples and oranges as all different circumstances.Point being is I think some players can play poorly when a team is playing poorly and vice versa. Now some of those players might not be here come the start of the season and we might bring in players who are also good for the level or kids too good for the level but just starting out etc. For what it’s worth I do happen to think as it stands I’d predict up probably somewhere top 6 but maybe not autos. Could all come down to the atmosphere duff can create to bring players along with the rest and any signings to come….or both.
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Post by dezzly on Jul 18, 2024 9:25:52 GMT 1
Think we have a side mainly made up of players who've proven themselves to be championship players over the seasons and players who have played League 1 football and been successful at that level, either in a winning team and/or in that theyve been pretty much their clubs best player. A lousy, injury wrecked season at a very unstable club doesnt change what they are and will be under the right management. Many of the side were a crap referee away from promotion to the PL just 2 years ago..to think they are now poor players to such a level they will be poor players in league 1 is stretching the negativity to a comedy level. Id say we obviously have a decent chance of automatic promotion. Doesnt mean we'll get it, but we'll be one of the 4 or 5 who are seriously challenging for it IMO. This is similar to my post below but probably put across in a much less waffly fashion(I can’t help it!!)😀
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Post by alanalanleeee on Jul 18, 2024 9:25:57 GMT 1
Always difficult to summarise players when they’re coming off the back of a terrible season whilst playing in terrible systems. We spent most of last season scratching our heads trying to figure out who was playing where and what their role was supposed to be, and at times it looked like the players were trying to figure that out as well.
I think Kasumu would be absolutely valuable alongside Kane and Evans, who we know are two excellent ball players. Kasumu is a superb athlete and can win the ball all over the pitch, his passing let him down last season, but with Kane and Evans either side of him he doesn’t need to worry about that so much. Win the ball back, play it to one of those two, move on.
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Post by kirkheatonterrier on Jul 18, 2024 9:32:13 GMT 1
Don't know why Pearson has been listed above as 'not up for the fight'? If it gets to 'a fight' he would be the first name on the teamsheet. We are in L1 now not the Premier League
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Post by goodbet on Jul 18, 2024 9:35:19 GMT 1
With all these great players we've got (according to some) I'm surprised we went down in the first place. We went down because of a girl ref Nothing to do do with a odd foreign manager who lost the squad and made DM look like an attack based manager, either.
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 18, 2024 9:38:47 GMT 1
We went down because of a girl ref Nothing to do do with a odd foreign manager who lost the squad and made DM look like an attack based manager, either. Nothing to do with the players being shite for two seasons under various managers. Some of those players ought to be ashamed of their performances towards the back end of last season, downing tools like they did. I've never seen a Town side booed off and had chants of "you're not fit to wear the shirt" directed at them. Sadly, some of those cowards are still here.
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Post by schindlersmissed on Jul 18, 2024 9:40:28 GMT 1
We went down because of a girl ref Ah yes, of course! I’d call it a poor ref as her sex has nothing to do with it
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 18, 2024 9:40:40 GMT 1
Despite improvements I still think there’s a couple of positions where 1 injury would significantly weaken us. Obviously you hope everyone stays fit but you only need to look at the Watford home game to see how bad things can get with injuries.
For me we need an out and out finisher. Healey is great but does a lot of dropping deep rather than playing on the shoulder. Bojan hasn’t shown he has the physicality to lead the line and Ward isn’t prolific enough.
Losing Kasumu would mean that we only have Hogg as an experienced 6 and even though we know he can do a job I don’t think he can do 3 games a week for a sustained period so it makes sense to have another 6 in the squad.
And of course the obvious need now is for a ball playing centre half.
Filling those positions would make us automatic promotion contenders in my opinion.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 18, 2024 9:41:58 GMT 1
Don't know why Pearson has been listed above as 'not up for the fight'? If it gets to 'a fight' he would be the first name on the teamsheet. We are in L1 now not the Premier League Pearson is a good centre back in the championship despite his limitations with the ball...at League 1 level he'll be better than good.
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Post by runner76 on Jul 18, 2024 9:54:00 GMT 1
Think we have a side mainly made up of players who've proven themselves to be championship players over the seasons and players who have played League 1 football and been successful at that level, either in a winning team and/or in that theyve been pretty much their clubs best player. A lousy, injury wrecked season at a very unstable club doesnt change what they are and will be under the right management. Many of the side were a crap referee away from promotion to the PL just 2 years ago..to think they are now poor players to such a level they will be poor players in league 1 is stretching the negativity to a comedy level. Id say we obviously have a decent chance of automatic promotion. Doesnt mean we'll get it, but we'll be one of the 4 or 5 who are seriously challenging for it IMO. Can’t see us pushing for automatic (this is Huddersfield!?!…) but certainly expect we should be a pretty permanent fixture in that Top 6 and be in the mix at the end of the season.
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 18, 2024 9:54:33 GMT 1
I’d call it a poor ref as her sex has nothing to do with it I'd call it as digs having a laugh. We didn't go down because of a poor ref.
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Post by mosher on Jul 18, 2024 10:01:50 GMT 1
I’d call it a poor ref as her sex has nothing to do with it I'd call it as digs having a laugh. We didn't go down because of a poor ref. That's the way I took it, sarcasm. Hope so anyway because she was just a small part of why we went down. I'd blame players and managers a long time before I blamed her, no matter how shit she was.
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Post by arry11 on Jul 18, 2024 10:06:36 GMT 1
Don't know why Pearson has been listed above as 'not up for the fight'? If it gets to 'a fight' he would be the first name on the teamsheet. We are in L1 now not the Premier League Pearson is a good centre back in the championship despite his limitations with the ball...at League 1 level he'll be better than good. Was quite happy with our central defenders untill Balkers injury and hope the club are looking for a least a short term replacement and maybe left footed. Hopefully our new midfield and forward players can take charge of our play and give the defence an easier time.
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Post by royrace on Jul 18, 2024 10:22:15 GMT 1
Don't know why Pearson has been listed above as 'not up for the fight'? If it gets to 'a fight' he would be the first name on the teamsheet. We are in L1 now not the Premier League Bizarre the amount of criticism he gets. Seems to be mainly due to the fact his passing isn't brilliant when he's been asked to fill in at right back, despite the fact he usually performs admirably in the role in all other respects. He's also not fast, I think people need to realise we're not playing premier league, our centre backs don't need to be brilliant defenders AND pacey with a great passing range. Plus those cost £10m plus and don't want to play in L1! Pearson is brilliant at the level we're at now and is proven in the level above. Great defender, hard as nails, great mentality and a big goal threat, plus I think he's been promoted out of this league with Luton? He'll be a great asset this season I'm sure of it.
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Post by dugnet on Jul 18, 2024 10:23:27 GMT 1
I find it interesting/depressing that the rhetoric is turning to the negative. I would agree with anyone who says that it is too early to tell how our season will go but to be, at best, unconvinced or,at worst down right pessimistic seems unduly downbeat. Talk of "serial losers" when a competitive ball has not been kicked is pretty miserable, in my view.
I'm, still, taking a view that Duff hasn't come to simply pick up a wage. He strikes me as an ambitious man looking to kick-start his managerial career. I think he is prepared to give all players a chance but at the same time will be looking to create a squad that is capable of looking to be at the top end of the league. I think he’ll be supported in that aim.
I understand why some might be cynical,given our recent past, but at somepoint we need to start looking forward. It feels that the club has turned a corner, but of course results will be the barometer.
To that end I think we need to give all those involved the space to establish a new mindset. Until we see something, on and off the pitch, that gives serious concern (that things aren't working), then I'm for giving all concerned some support and time.
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Post by benhomly on Jul 18, 2024 10:27:49 GMT 1
We went down because of a girl ref Nothing to do do with a odd foreign manager who lost the squad and made DM look like an attack based manager, either. We obviously misunderstood DM, he's 50-1 to be next England manager don't ya know.
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 18, 2024 10:28:31 GMT 1
I find it interesting/depressing that the rhetoric is turning to the negative. I would agree with anyone who says that it is too early to tell how our season will go but to be, at best, unconvinced or,at worst down right pessimistic seems unduly downbeat. Talk of "serial losers" when a competitive ball has not been kicked is pretty miserable, in my view.I'm, still, taking a view that Duff hasn't come to simply pick up a wage. He strikes me as an ambitious man looking to kick-start his managerial career. I think he is prepared to give all players a chance but at the same time will be looking to create a squad that is capable of looking to be at the top end of the league. I think he’ll be supported in that aim. I understand why some might be cynical,given our recent past, but at somepoint we need to start looking forward. It feels that the club has turned a corner, but of course results will be the barometer. To that end I think we need to give all those involved the space to establish a new mindset. Until we see something, on and off the pitch, that gives serious concern (that things aren't working), then I'm for giving all concerned some support and time. It's a fact. And while you don't like owt I say, I won't be changing my mind until I see improvement on the pitch in the coming season. I am miserable at the prospect of seeing many of the players this season who played a huge part in getting us relegated last season. And I'm hoping that as many of them as possible are offloaded quickly. I am encouraged by the new signings and thought they did well when I saw them at Harrogate, Sorensen in particular I quite like, but I think we need more reinforcements to give us the best chance of going up. I have no desire to see the likes of Ward, Koroma and Kasumu etc. in the side next season and if that makes me miserable, then that's fine. You've made your mind up on that and no matter what I say, you'll keep that narrative up.
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Post by royrace on Jul 18, 2024 10:30:08 GMT 1
Think we have a side mainly made up of players who've proven themselves to be championship players over the seasons and players who have played League 1 football and been successful at that level, either in a winning team and/or in that theyve been pretty much their clubs best player. A lousy, injury wrecked season at a very unstable club doesnt change what they are and will be under the right management. Many of the side were a crap referee away from promotion to the PL just 2 years ago..to think they are now poor players to such a level they will be poor players in league 1 is stretching the negativity to a comedy level. Id say we obviously have a decent chance of automatic promotion. Doesnt mean we'll get it, but we'll be one of the 4 or 5 who are seriously challenging for it IMO. Can’t see us pushing for automatic (this is Huddersfield!?!…) but certainly expect we should be a pretty permanent fixture in that Top 6 and be in the mix at the end of the season. Saw a twitter poll and virtually none of the respondents had us down for promotion. That's a good thing, pressure on the other clubs. I think with a couple more additions and keeping other key players we've got a good chance. It all depends on the coach after that and I think we've got a good one in Duff. Really looking forward to seeing a well coached team that can actually pass the ball to one and other! Watched the latest Sunderland documentary recently, highlights the fact that L1 is very difficult league. They had some top quality players and only just scraped up in the end after a few seasons despite their wage bill probably being huge in comparison to the competition. We also have the likes of Barnsley, Peterborough, Bolton etc who have experience at this level and are always up there. Very tough start too against those w!;+-&s!
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Post by royrace on Jul 18, 2024 10:34:49 GMT 1
I find it interesting/depressing that the rhetoric is turning to the negative. I would agree with anyone who says that it is too early to tell how our season will go but to be, at best, unconvinced or,at worst down right pessimistic seems unduly downbeat. Talk of "serial losers" when a competitive ball has not been kicked is pretty miserable, in my view. I'm, still, taking a view that Duff hasn't come to simply pick up a wage. He strikes me as an ambitious man looking to kick-start his managerial career. I think he is prepared to give all players a chance but at the same time will be looking to create a squad that is capable of looking to be at the top end of the league. I think he’ll be supported in that aim. I understand why some might be cynical,given our recent past, but at somepoint we need to start looking forward. It feels that the club has turned a corner, but of course results will be the barometer. To that end I think we need to give all those involved the space to establish a new mindset. Until we see something, on and off the pitch, that gives serious concern (that things aren't working), then I'm for giving all concerned some support and time. Exactly. If players took the advice from some on here they may as well just retire after a bad season or two because that's them cast as a loser forever:D No matter the success they've had in the past that's got them to the championship, and beyond in some cases! Large part of the squad and the coaching team should be desperate to right a few wrongs this season which is a positive imo.
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Post by detox on Jul 18, 2024 10:48:41 GMT 1
League one is going to be a lot more physical than we've been used to. Lesser quality players who make up for that with sheer aggression and determination..are we ready to match that?
Are we going to aim for quality rather than physical determined players, will that be enough for a promotion season. Duff will have no doubt been aware but last season's Town players were massively lacking in commitment, determination and aggression.
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Post by twyford on Jul 18, 2024 10:53:13 GMT 1
I'd call it as digs having a laugh. We didn't go down because of a poor ref. That's the way I took it, sarcasm. Hope so anyway because she was just a small part of why we went down. I'd blame players and managers a long time before I blamed her, no matter how shit she was. Besides which that penalty decision, poor as it was, only cost us 2 points - we'd still have been 4 points (and a much worse goal difference) behind Plymouth if we'd beaten Bristol City.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 18, 2024 11:00:58 GMT 1
I find it interesting/depressing that the rhetoric is turning to the negative. I would agree with anyone who says that it is too early to tell how our season will go but to be, at best, unconvinced or,at worst down right pessimistic seems unduly downbeat. Talk of "serial losers" when a competitive ball has not been kicked is pretty miserable, in my view. I'm, still, taking a view that Duff hasn't come to simply pick up a wage. He strikes me as an ambitious man looking to kick-start his managerial career. I think he is prepared to give all players a chance but at the same time will be looking to create a squad that is capable of looking to be at the top end of the league. I think he’ll be supported in that aim. I understand why some might be cynical,given our recent past, but at somepoint we need to start looking forward. It feels that the club has turned a corner, but of course results will be the barometer. To that end I think we need to give all those involved the space to establish a new mindset. Until we see something, on and off the pitch, that gives serious concern (that things aren't working), then I'm for giving all concerned some support and time. Exactly. If players took the advice from some on here they may as well just retire after a bad season or two because that's them cast as a loser forever:D No matter the success they've had in the past that's got them to the championship, and beyond in some cases! Large part of the squad and the coaching team should be desperate to right a few wrongs this season which is a positive imo. Are you trying to tell me you wouldnt dismiss the like of Jimmy Nicholson, Steve Smith, Vaesen, Gorre, Andy Booth etc etc as serial losers because they were in relegated Town teams ?
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Post by Scott Chegg on Jul 18, 2024 11:02:33 GMT 1
I find it interesting/depressing that the rhetoric is turning to the negative. I would agree with anyone who says that it is too early to tell how our season will go but to be, at best, unconvinced or,at worst down right pessimistic seems unduly downbeat. Talk of "serial losers" when a competitive ball has not been kicked is pretty miserable, in my view.
I'm, still, taking a view that Duff hasn't come to simply pick up a wage. He strikes me as an ambitious man looking to kick-start his managerial career. I think he is prepared to give all players a chance but at the same time will be looking to create a squad that is capable of looking to be at the top end of the league. I think he’ll be supported in that aim. I understand why some might be cynical,given our recent past, but at somepoint we need to start looking forward. It feels that the club has turned a corner, but of course results will be the barometer. To that end I think we need to give all those involved the space to establish a new mindset. Until we see something, on and off the pitch, that gives serious concern (that things aren't working), then I'm for giving all concerned some support and time. But accurate nonetheless. Edit - htafcokay beat me to it.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Jul 18, 2024 11:04:36 GMT 1
Admittedly I expected a lot more transfer business on both sides and am becoming concerned we are having another prem relegation situation where we have to tell ourselves these players will be good. Only four players coming in for duff is disappointing when most people want a change of style and philosophy. I don’t like half of the players because of the last two seasons, they will have to do a hell of a lot next season to turn my opinion. There’s talk of Pearson etc being great in league one, but why? And why to people want to keep him? Multiple occasions over the last few seasons where he’s told the crowd to shut up. It seems like some people think league one will be the same as it was 12 years ago, it won’t. There’s good football down there and having a bunch of players who couldn’t think on their own last season isn’t going to change over a summer.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 18, 2024 11:06:13 GMT 1
League one is going to be a lot more physical than we've been used to. Lesser quality players who make up for that with sheer aggression and determination..are we ready to match that? Are we going to aim for quality rather than physical determined players, will that be enough for a promotion season. Duff will have no doubt been aware but last season's Town players were massively lacking in commitment, determination and aggression. I think thats a bit of a myth that the lower down you go the players are more physical. The game is slower perhaps as players dont think at the same speed or do what theyre going to do as quickly.
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Post by goodbet on Jul 18, 2024 11:30:33 GMT 1
Nothing to do do with a odd foreign manager who lost the squad and made DM look like an attack based manager, either. We obviously misunderstood DM, he's 50-1 to be next England manager don't ya know. I can see DM as a direct replacement for Southgate, he will not argue with his bosses and his safety first boring football should make him a favorite for Lancaster gate.
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Post by digs on Jul 18, 2024 11:38:48 GMT 1
I’d call it a poor ref as her sex has nothing to do with it I'd call it as digs having a laugh. We didn't go down because of a poor ref. I knew you'd understand
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Post by digs on Jul 18, 2024 11:41:24 GMT 1
I’d call it a poor ref as her sex has nothing to do with it I don't care if she had sex,but she was a poor ref on that day
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