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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 19, 2024 8:21:23 GMT 1
Dont get the idea the 'shambles' of last season started AFTER warnock had left!
Our summer business..our pre season...the shambles started much earlier than that and he played a significant role in it.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 19, 2024 8:24:26 GMT 1
the comment on Rudoni wasn’t made for a “win” it was made to put last seasons midfield into context i’m not having the blatant attacks on our players you seem hell bent on the shambles last season at the club was in the main down to the men occupying the managers office (Warnocks office) after Neil Warnock was shown the door. aligned with an injury list of ridiculous proportions . with a capable tactician at the helm the players you slate were more than capable of maintaining our championship status as for your Pritchard comparison you don’t think for one second Mark Robins would consider buying him do you ? never mind paying ten mill don’t forget the same people also recruited our French friends Even Warnock struggled to get them playing well last season, or because it’s Warnock have you blanked out how shit we were even in the first 8 games? I remember just continuing to hope that Neil could just get em to do just enough to stay above the drop zone. We were not over expectant for the season. I do believe he may have just managed it but its a 'belief and dependent on a Jan transfer window with him still 'calling' some of the shots and some serious luck with results and injuries etc..
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Post by mosher on Jul 19, 2024 8:29:15 GMT 1
Even Warnock struggled to get them playing well last season, or because it’s Warnock have you blanked out how shit we were even in the first 8 games? I remember just continuing to hope that Neil could just get em to do just enough to stay above the drop zone. We were not over expectant for the season. I do believe he may have just managed it but its a 'belief and dependent on a Jan transfer window with him still 'calling' some of the shots and some serious luck with results and injuries etc.. That's how I see it too, more hope than expectation, especially after he struggled to get decent results and performances out of the players over those first games of the season. I think he MAY have kept us up, but going by those first 8 games it wasn't a given like a lot on here seem to think. This group of players has had a losing mentality for the past 2 seasons, in fact 5 seasons with one outlier of a season where Carlos (luckily IMO) fell upon a pragmatic (albeit turgid) way to win. Love Warnock, always will, he was the manager in my first full season, got us to Wembley twice when we hadn't been for donkeys, a (shit) cup final and promotion, I'll love him always, but there's no guarantee he'd have kept us up. These players have had a VERY easy ride when it comes to blame IMO
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Post by dezzly on Jul 19, 2024 8:33:16 GMT 1
Dont get the idea the 'shambles' of last season started AFTER warnock had left! Our summer business..our pre season...the shambles started much earlier than that and he played a significant role in it. Everyone played their part last season and tbh from before that.from Hoyle to nagle to Cartwright to any of the however many managers.Some less culpable than others. Warnock did an amazing job keeping us up but in my opinion alongside the FFI restrictions he hampered last summers business. Always amazes me how many were quick to say andre was just protecting his reputation with the things he said but nobody has thought to mention that Warnock did the same.The pushing for playoffs comment was all about self preservation. Regardless of what’s happened it seems like the new ownership and team have turned or are starting to turn the ship around,whether than ends in success on the pitch we don’t know yet.The signings so far looks decent and all the little bits they are doing around the stadium and even how they present on twitter/the website/the new app all lends to a more professional outfit. I personally think we have the right manager in for the job that needs doing.let’s hope we can bring in a few more and have a good start and really get some momentum going.Early home wins plus results against two of what will be a couple of the better sides in posh and Rotherham will really get everyone believing. That said all of this could be undone when this 3rd strip gets released shortly 🤪
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Post by Terriersmad on Jul 19, 2024 8:42:07 GMT 1
The biggest area of weakness last season was the midfield and its ability to retain, recycle and progress with possession. If we were to bring in Hodge - as seems likely, on reports - I'd argue we're in a much stronger position. My only issue with the midfield would be a lack of physicality, particularly in front of the defence. If we were in for Dominic Ball, I'd be keeping up interest, especially if Hodge is technically an under 21.
In the Championship, if you can't keep the ball you don't win the games. Simple as that, really. We were technically deficient. You need players with energy and the ability to carry the ball and we had those, to a point. But they also need positional discipline, ability in possession, and capacity to pass between lines. And we did not have that. Nobody wanted the ball. The midfield went missing in those last few games in a way which accentuated the problems within the squad. There was no leadership without Hogg. We had triers. We did not have the quality.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 9:03:30 GMT 1
It’s a shame really as we’ve never been able to see Koroma perform to his best. As a young 20 year old he absolutely bossed the championship in his first proper season breaking into the team, scoring 8 goals which we weren’t able to see live in the flesh in only 20 appearances, with another two assists to add onto that. I thought he was a world beater at the time and was destined for the Prem. Kept his goalscoring form up and he’d have hit 20 with a good 5 or maybe even more assists. He was playing up top mind you but he says that’s not his natural position so it wasn’t bad going. Just a real stab in the back he did his hammy in and got ruled out for the rest of the season, feels like it’s kind of ruined him but it’s not recurred since so you get the feeling that it was just a really good stint in a crap Town side and he’s never been the player he once looked like. Seemed to affect the games and really get involved at the time, had bags of energy and always looked like scoring on the ball. Would do anything to see that JK back I really hope, in Duff, we have a manager who sees the best role for each player and plays them in it, unless we need to cover a position we are short of, and I hope that is not through injury and we have better depth now. Koroma needs confidence. In this league with a more skilled and robust midfield he should get more chances. Our link up play from midfield was very poor last season, the wingers had it all to do themselves mostly. I am sure that will not be the case this season and I hope it gives Josh more space and more chances on goal. We won't know until we see how they fare against better opposition than the friendlies so far.
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 19, 2024 9:12:10 GMT 1
the comment on Rudoni wasn’t made for a “win” it was made to put last seasons midfield into context i’m not having the blatant attacks on our players you seem hell bent on the shambles last season at the club was in the main down to the men occupying the managers office (Warnocks office) after Neil Warnock was shown the door. aligned with an injury list of ridiculous proportions . with a capable tactician at the helm the players you slate were more than capable of maintaining our championship status as for your Pritchard comparison you don’t think for one second Mark Robins would consider buying him do you ? never mind paying ten mill don’t forget the same people also recruited our French friends Even Warnock struggled to get them playing well last season, or because it’s Warnock have you blanked out how shit we were even in the first 8 games? And yet we won two and drew two of Warnock's seven games.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 19, 2024 9:33:32 GMT 1
Even Warnock struggled to get them playing well last season, or because it’s Warnock have you blanked out how shit we were even in the first 8 games? And yet we won two and drew two of Warnock's seven games. And Warnocks seven games included 3 of the eventual top six including the champions (Leicester, WBA and Norwich)
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Post by King Neil on Jul 19, 2024 9:48:29 GMT 1
Back to Neil bashing again
13 games left and 5 points ABOVE the drop zone!
Only one man to blame
Sheitenreiter
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 19, 2024 9:50:49 GMT 1
And yet we won two and drew two of Warnock's seven games. And Warnocks seven games included 3 of the eventual top six including the champions (Leicester, WBA and Norwich) And we played well against Leicester.
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Post by robbo1978 on Jul 19, 2024 10:01:33 GMT 1
I really hope, in Duff, we have a manager who sees the best role for each player and plays them in it, unless we need to cover a position we are short of, and I hope that is not through injury and we have better depth now. Koroma needs confidence. In this league with a more skilled and robust midfield he should get more chances. Our link up play from midfield was very poor last season, the wingers had it all to do themselves mostly. I am sure that will not be the case this season and I hope it gives Josh more space and more chances on goal. We won't know until we see how they fare against better opposition than the friendlies so far. Yeah, totally agree, wasn't bad by any means last season under the circumstances but was very poor with his end product, finishing. Missed some absolute sitters, and the odd open goal here n there
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Post by goodbet on Jul 19, 2024 10:17:44 GMT 1
Dont get the idea the 'shambles' of last season started AFTER warnock had left! Our summer business..our pre season...the shambles started much earlier than that and he played a significant role in it. And then it only went downhill.
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Post by mosher on Jul 19, 2024 11:37:35 GMT 1
Even Warnock struggled to get them playing well last season, or because it’s Warnock have you blanked out how shit we were even in the first 8 games? And yet we won two and drew two of Warnock's seven games. Oh yeah I get that, but the performances weren't brilliant and we struggled. Like I say I think he'd have kept us up but I don't think it would have been the cake-walk some seem to think. Some of the posts seem to think he'd have had us mid table. Obviously we'll never know, but IMO these players have had it easy when it comes to blame.
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Post by mosher on Jul 19, 2024 11:38:38 GMT 1
Back to Neil bashing again 13 games left and 5 points ABOVE the drop zone! Only one man to blame Sheitenreiter No Neil bashing from me mate, I've already said he'll always be the messiah to me. But you can point out bad things without hating the guy. Typical DATM black or white, no inbetween
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Post by boooothy on Jul 19, 2024 11:54:28 GMT 1
None of the Warnock pre season would have been an issue if Warnock had been manager.
It would be similar to doing all this recruiting for Duff’s 5 3 2 formation then binning him for someone who loves to play wingers and flair players 5 games in.
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Post by King Neil on Jul 19, 2024 12:09:55 GMT 1
Back to Neil bashing again 13 games left and 5 points ABOVE the drop zone! Only one man to blame Sheitenreiter No Neil bashing from me mate, I've already said he'll always be the messiah to me. But you can point out bad things without hating the guy. Typical DATM black or white, no inbetween Neil left after 8 games and had won a couple of games and drawn a couple against eventual playoff teams I just don't see why 25 games later after Darren Moore we are still not in the bottom 3 and 5 points clear and when breitensheiter takes us down its somehow nw,s fault It's nonsense Cartwright and kev should not have appointed such an inexperienced man of the English game in the first place...and tbh our current manager was hotly tipped for the job back then but was overlooked for some reason? It's the mistake of sacking Neil in the first place and then appointing dm and ab that got us Relegated...we had 13 games and all the bottom teams to play yet still fucked it up And imo Jw would have kept us up had they just said he,s in charge until we find a replacement,,but then took their time in indeed finding one....2 wins in 4...you honestly think jw would have only got 2 wins in the next 13??
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Post by ldotm on Jul 19, 2024 12:10:50 GMT 1
I remember just continuing to hope that Neil could just get em to do just enough to stay above the drop zone. We were not over expectant for the season. I do believe he may have just managed it but its a 'belief and dependent on a Jan transfer window with him still 'calling' some of the shots and some serious luck with results and injuries etc.. That's how I see it too, more hope than expectation, especially after he struggled to get decent results and performances out of the players over those first games of the season. I think he MAY have kept us up, but going by those first 8 games it wasn't a given like a lot on here seem to think. This group of players has had a losing mentality for the past 2 seasons, in fact 5 seasons with one outlier of a season where Carlos (luckily IMO) fell upon a pragmatic (albeit turgid) way to win. Love Warnock, always will, he was the manager in my first full season, got us to Wembley twice when we hadn't been for donkeys, a (shit) cup final and promotion, I'll love him always, but there's no guarantee he'd have kept us up. These players have had a VERY easy ride when it comes to blame IMO “luckily IMO” can never get my head around this mentality that when we do well it’s lot of luck (Wagner got us promoted with negative goal difference narrative), when we fail it’s our own preparation and we are to blame. Is it just general football fan thing to prefer to critique their club than to give credit?
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Post by mosher on Jul 19, 2024 12:12:41 GMT 1
No Neil bashing from me mate, I've already said he'll always be the messiah to me. But you can point out bad things without hating the guy. Typical DATM black or white, no inbetween Neil left after 8 games and had won a couple of games and drawn a couple against eventual playoff teams I just don't see why 25 games later after Darren Moore we are still not in the bottom 3 and 5 points clear and when breitensheiter takes us down its somehow nw,s fault It's nonsense Cartwright and kev should not have appointed such an inexperienced man of the English game in the first place...and tbh our current manager was hotly tipped for the job back then but was overlooked for some reason? It's the mistake of sacking Neil in the first place and then appointing dm and ab that got us Relegated...we had 13 games and all the bottom teams to play yet still fucked it up And imo Jw would have kept us up had they just said he,s in charge until we find a replacement,,but then took their time in indeed finding one....2 wins in 4...you honestly think jw would have only got 2 wins in the next 13?? Again I've not said it's NW's fault. And on other threads I've also pointed out getting rid of him was a mistake on a par with selling Stewie to Ipswich. I'm just not convinced THESE PLAYERS would have stayed up, even with King Colin's guidance.
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Post by mosher on Jul 19, 2024 12:13:52 GMT 1
That's how I see it too, more hope than expectation, especially after he struggled to get decent results and performances out of the players over those first games of the season. I think he MAY have kept us up, but going by those first 8 games it wasn't a given like a lot on here seem to think. This group of players has had a losing mentality for the past 2 seasons, in fact 5 seasons with one outlier of a season where Carlos (luckily IMO) fell upon a pragmatic (albeit turgid) way to win. Love Warnock, always will, he was the manager in my first full season, got us to Wembley twice when we hadn't been for donkeys, a (shit) cup final and promotion, I'll love him always, but there's no guarantee he'd have kept us up. These players have had a VERY easy ride when it comes to blame IMO “luckily IMO” can never get my head around this mentality that when we do well it’s lot of luck (Wagner got us promoted with negative goal difference narrative), when we fail it’s our own preparation and we are to blame. Is it just general football fan thing to prefer to critique their club than to give credit? I mean I think he was lucky that he fell upon the tactics he used, not that we were lucky to get to the playoffs. Edit: His tactics were spot on and we were UNlucky in the final, albeit with a shit formation and personnel, dodgy ref, dodgy VAR and the rest.
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Post by King Neil on Jul 19, 2024 12:21:20 GMT 1
Neil left after 8 games and had won a couple of games and drawn a couple against eventual playoff teams I just don't see why 25 games later after Darren Moore we are still not in the bottom 3 and 5 points clear and when breitensheiter takes us down its somehow nw,s fault It's nonsense Cartwright and kev should not have appointed such an inexperienced man of the English game in the first place...and tbh our current manager was hotly tipped for the job back then but was overlooked for some reason? It's the mistake of sacking Neil in the first place and then appointing dm and ab that got us Relegated...we had 13 games and all the bottom teams to play yet still fucked it up And imo Jw would have kept us up had they just said he,s in charge until we find a replacement,,but then took their time in indeed finding one....2 wins in 4...you honestly think jw would have only got 2 wins in the next 13?? Again I've not said it's NW's fault. And on other threads I've also pointed out getting rid of him was a mistake on a par with selling Stewie to Ipswich. I'm just not convinced THESE PLAYERS would have stayed up, even with King Colin's guidance. There's lots of ifs and buts The last few games would have probably panned out differently if it wasn't for that shocking decision at Ashton Gate This terrible team drew nearly half of all games played last season..half the division had more defeats...and still got 45 points which is sometimes enough for survival Ultimately..kevin m nagle and Mark Cartwright got us Relegated with their inept shit decision making
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Post by mosher on Jul 19, 2024 12:25:46 GMT 1
Again I've not said it's NW's fault. And on other threads I've also pointed out getting rid of him was a mistake on a par with selling Stewie to Ipswich. I'm just not convinced THESE PLAYERS would have stayed up, even with King Colin's guidance. There's lots of ifs and buts The last few games would have probably panned out differently if it wasn't for that shocking decision at Ashton Gate This terrible team drew nearly half of all games played last season..half the division had more defeats...and still got 45 points which is sometimes enough for survival Ultimately..kevin m nagle and Mark Cartwright got us Relegated with their inept shit decision making Yep, although with the caveat that KN uses advisors for a reason. For me KN's record (so far) only has that blot; that he let his ego get in the way of keeping Neil til we were safe, or at least safeish. Big big blot though, I know, but his "advisors" should have told him to keep NW.
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 19, 2024 12:56:06 GMT 1
That's how I see it too, more hope than expectation, especially after he struggled to get decent results and performances out of the players over those first games of the season. I think he MAY have kept us up, but going by those first 8 games it wasn't a given like a lot on here seem to think. This group of players has had a losing mentality for the past 2 seasons, in fact 5 seasons with one outlier of a season where Carlos (luckily IMO) fell upon a pragmatic (albeit turgid) way to win. Love Warnock, always will, he was the manager in my first full season, got us to Wembley twice when we hadn't been for donkeys, a (shit) cup final and promotion, I'll love him always, but there's no guarantee he'd have kept us up. These players have had a VERY easy ride when it comes to blame IMO “luckily IMO” can never get my head around this mentality that when we do well it’s lot of luck (Wagner got us promoted with negative goal difference narrative), when we fail it’s our own preparation and we are to blame. Is it just general football fan thing to prefer to critique their club than to give credit? Just Town fans. Some people prefer to belittle our achievements rather than celebrate them.
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Post by mosher on Jul 19, 2024 13:05:39 GMT 1
“luckily IMO” can never get my head around this mentality that when we do well it’s lot of luck (Wagner got us promoted with negative goal difference narrative), when we fail it’s our own preparation and we are to blame. Is it just general football fan thing to prefer to critique their club than to give credit? Just Town fans. Some people prefer to belittle our achievements rather than celebrate them. Again, I didn't say Town were lucky, I said Carlos was when he fell on the pragmatic tactics that got us to the playoffs. Edit: Oops, just realised you were probably generalising not highlighting my posts. As you were
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Post by londoncowling on Jul 19, 2024 14:02:56 GMT 1
the comment on Rudoni wasn’t made for a “win” it was made to put last seasons midfield into context i’m not having the blatant attacks on our players you seem hell bent on the shambles last season at the club was in the main down to the men occupying the managers office (Warnocks office) after Neil Warnock was shown the door. aligned with an injury list of ridiculous proportions . with a capable tactician at the helm the players you slate were more than capable of maintaining our championship status as for your Pritchard comparison you don’t think for one second Mark Robins would consider buying him do you ? never mind paying ten mill don’t forget the same people also recruited our French friends Even Warnock struggled to get them playing well last season, or because it’s Warnock have you blanked out how shit we were even in the first 8 games? Haven’t blanked anything out they weren’t shit in those first 8 games apart from the Norwich game performance were reasonable considering the promised striker didn’t materialise
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Post by DuncShearer* on Jul 19, 2024 14:08:22 GMT 1
Great chat about the transfer window keep it up chaps 🙄
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Post by Orinoco on Jul 19, 2024 14:09:02 GMT 1
Joel Lynch could have probably pulled that off.. if he could have been arsed. He had a great overhead kick. Every time me n son play FIFA 24, or woteva it is called our days, Helik scores bicycle kicks from corners!! it's undefendable!!
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Post by mosher on Jul 19, 2024 14:25:02 GMT 1
Even Warnock struggled to get them playing well last season, or because it’s Warnock have you blanked out how shit we were even in the first 8 games? Haven’t blanked anything out they weren’t shit in those first 8 games apart from the Norwich game performance were reasonable considering the promised striker didn’t materialise On the flip side, I thought we were pretty ordinary, mostly crap, apart from the Leicester game which somebody else mentioned. Maybe I was expecting to be as excited as the final few games of the previous season when Sir Colin saved us, but I wasn't impressed at all. As I say though, it was a HUGE mistake to get shut and I believe we'd have stayed up with NW in charge, just not by as much as others seem to think/believe. Again, though, it's not NW I'm dissing in these posts, it's the players, I can't understand why people don't get that, especially those that have said pretty much the same (blaming the players) in other threads
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Post by londoncowling on Jul 19, 2024 14:59:08 GMT 1
Haven’t blanked anything out they weren’t shit in those first 8 games apart from the Norwich game performance were reasonable considering the promised striker didn’t materialise On the flip side, I thought we were pretty ordinary, mostly crap, apart from the Leicester game which somebody else mentioned. Maybe I was expecting to be as excited as the final few games of the previous season when Sir Colin saved us, but I wasn't impressed at all. As I say though, it was a HUGE mistake to get shut and I believe we'd have stayed up with NW in charge, just not by as much as others seem to think/believe. Again, though, it's not NW I'm dissing in these posts, it's the players, I can't understand why people don't get that, especially those that have said pretty much the same (blaming the players) in other threads as I’ve said earlier for me the blame for the last two seasons debacles lies mainly at the door of the occupants of the managers office and our dof NW and JW excluded players quickly suss out coaches / managers who aren’t up to it and the consequences we are now living with League one footy Warnock is not blameless tho as he will protect his brand at all costs also some of the contract renewals were questionable two egos collided and he left these things happen his successors JW apart the ermimator and pinnocio failed when the players attitudes and quality are brought into question think back to the four games under Worthy when the upturn in form attitude energy and results were quite remarkable
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Post by mosher on Jul 19, 2024 15:09:37 GMT 1
On the flip side, I thought we were pretty ordinary, mostly crap, apart from the Leicester game which somebody else mentioned. Maybe I was expecting to be as excited as the final few games of the previous season when Sir Colin saved us, but I wasn't impressed at all. As I say though, it was a HUGE mistake to get shut and I believe we'd have stayed up with NW in charge, just not by as much as others seem to think/believe. Again, though, it's not NW I'm dissing in these posts, it's the players, I can't understand why people don't get that, especially those that have said pretty much the same (blaming the players) in other threads as I’ve said earlier for me the blame for the last two seasons debacles lies mainly at the door of the occupants of the managers office and our dof NW and JW excluded players quickly suss out coaches / managers who aren’t up to it and the consequences we are now living with League one footy Warnock is not blameless tho as he will protect his brand at all costs also some of the contract renewals were questionable two egos collided and he left these things happen his successors JW apart the ermimator and pinnocio failed when the players attitudes and quality are brought into question think back to the four games under Worthy when the upturn in form attitude energy and results were quite remarkable We're mostly in agreement then, but it seemed like you were arguing the whole thing with me. Although I'm not sure Worthy was the answer for the rest of the season, probably better than what we eventually got with AB though and the grenades that AB dropped in his press conference certainly haven't helped with fans' perceptions of some players. But Sir Neil did the same in his conference too, dropping the "play-offs" bomb into the mix. Like you say though, that's Neil's modus operandi much as I love the guy and want to bear his children I'm not sure the gung-ho games Worthy** gave us would have lasted til the end of the season, they already looked knackered by the fourth game and even the battering we gave Wednesday we were mostly shit apart from 20 minutes. We should have been behind in that game before we took the lead, then they collapsed, which was obviously nice to see ** again not a dig at Worthy, love the guy, especially as he's just signed my boss' cousin for the Academy
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Post by Orinoco on Jul 19, 2024 15:09:43 GMT 1
Hope they haven't ordered loads, be 1 to buy for a tenner, keep in plastic bag for grandkids to use on the guy on Nov 4th!!
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