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Post by edsloth1822 on Aug 2, 2024 9:28:03 GMT 1
Do we know anymore about what the deal is with Bojan? Guess him being in or around the team tonight might give us an indication
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Post by detox on Aug 2, 2024 9:30:43 GMT 1
The sad realisation that we are a 3rd tier club...and can't compete with other 3rd tier clubs for players. My hopes and dreams of a new dawn at HTAFC with the arrival of millionaire American owner are fading fast...One year at the helm and we're relegated ...back to obscurity, oblivion and Shrewsbury Town.. Somebody cheer me up.. I'm being cheered up by all these over the top, melodramatic posts in the last few days. In terms of 'can't compete with other 3rd tier clubs for players'... I would be very surprised if we've lost out to any other League 1 club for a striker, other than Alfie May who Birmingham offered £20k a week to and must be one of the highest paid League 1 players of all time. I'm cheered by the fact I've cheered you up.. made my day.
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Post by detox on Aug 2, 2024 9:35:18 GMT 1
The sad realisation that we are a 3rd tier club...and can't compete with other 3rd tier clubs for players. My hopes and dreams of a new dawn at HTAFC with the arrival of millionaire American owner are fading fast...One year at the helm and we're relegated ...back to obscurity, oblivion and Shrewsbury Town.. Somebody cheer me up.. We haven't kicked a competitive ball as yet. How do you know we can't compete with other League One clubs? Surely not getting into a wages war with Birmingham was the right thing to do (especially given it could rack up issues financially going forward)? We have a manager who is highly rated in the game (said to be "probably the best manager at this level" in the 4-4-2 season preview). Money has been spent on the stadium, why bother if there was no intention to take control or any ambition for the future? I totally get the cynicism people will have but we have to give things a chance. We absolutely need to see something to get behind. Mr Nagle would definitely be a fool if he hasn't gauged the frustration of the fans (given the recent past). He engages, he doesn't strike me as someone with a nefarious agenda. I think he wants/intends to be successful. Has he learned enough (about Town and EFL football)? That's debatable at the moment. The club has been essentially a mess for 6 years, the outlier season aside (and that opportunity was completely spurned). It won't necessarily be a quick fix (my main concern isn't the quality in the dressing room it is the mindset and sense of purpose/team spirit) so we have to be realistic. As I posted yesterday our likely "success" won't be obvious until the end of September. Sure if we are languishing in the mid to lower table by then and performances have been lacking then Mr Nagle and his team have serious questions to address. For now let's see what happens in the immediate few games, the closure of the window and by end of September (when we will have played some sides who you can reasonably expect to be up there). That's a well constructed and reasoned post, thank you... I go through phases of optimism and hope...then doom and depression...probably my age...and the fact my winter fuel allowance has been snaffled...(albeit I spaffed that on xmas booze)...
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Post by bazboyb on Aug 2, 2024 9:37:09 GMT 1
We haven't kicked a competitive ball as yet. How do you know we can't compete with other League One clubs? Surely not getting into a wages war with Birmingham was the right thing to do (especially given it could rack up issues financially going forward)? We have a manager who is highly rated in the game (said to be "probably the best manager at this level" in the 4-4-2 season preview). Money has been spent on the stadium, why bother if there was no intention to take control or any ambition for the future? I totally get the cynicism people will have but we have to give things a chance. We absolutely need to see something to get behind. Mr Nagle would definitely be a fool if he hasn't gauged the frustration of the fans (given the recent past). He engages, he doesn't strike me as someone with a nefarious agenda. I think he wants/intends to be successful. Has he learned enough (about Town and EFL football)? That's debatable at the moment. The club has been essentially a mess for 6 years, the outlier season aside (and that opportunity was completely spurned). It won't necessarily be a quick fix (my main concern isn't the quality in the dressing room it is the mindset and sense of purpose/team spirit) so we have to be realistic. As I posted yesterday our likely "success" won't be obvious until the end of September. Sure if we are languishing in the mid to lower table by then and performances have been lacking then Mr Nagle and his team have serious questions to address. For now let's see what happens in the immediate few games, the closure of the window and by end of September (when we will have played some sides who you can reasonably expect to be up there). That's a well constructed and reasoned post, thank you... I go through phases of optimism and hope...then doom and depression...probably my age...and the fact my winter fuel allowance has been snaffled...(albeit I spaffed that on xmas booze)...
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Post by bazboyb on Aug 2, 2024 9:38:48 GMT 1
That's a well constructed and reasoned post, thank you... I go through phases of optimism and hope...then doom and depression...probably my age...and the fact my winter fuel allowance has been snaffled...(albeit I spaffed that on xmas booze)... all this speculation is pushing me over the hodge.oops hedge
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 2, 2024 9:44:04 GMT 1
all this speculation is pushing me over the hodge.oops hedge Definitely needed. He'll give us the energy needed in the anchor role and complete a dangerous looking midfield 🤞
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Post by dugnet on Aug 2, 2024 9:46:58 GMT 1
We haven't kicked a competitive ball as yet. How do you know we can't compete with other League One clubs? Surely not getting into a wages war with Birmingham was the right thing to do (especially given it could rack up issues financially going forward)? We have a manager who is highly rated in the game (said to be "probably the best manager at this level" in the 4-4-2 season preview). Money has been spent on the stadium, why bother if there was no intention to take control or any ambition for the future? I totally get the cynicism people will have but we have to give things a chance. We absolutely need to see something to get behind. Mr Nagle would definitely be a fool if he hasn't gauged the frustration of the fans (given the recent past). He engages, he doesn't strike me as someone with a nefarious agenda. I think he wants/intends to be successful. Has he learned enough (about Town and EFL football)? That's debatable at the moment. The club has been essentially a mess for 6 years, the outlier season aside (and that opportunity was completely spurned). It won't necessarily be a quick fix (my main concern isn't the quality in the dressing room it is the mindset and sense of purpose/team spirit) so we have to be realistic. As I posted yesterday our likely "success" won't be obvious until the end of September. Sure if we are languishing in the mid to lower table by then and performances have been lacking then Mr Nagle and his team have serious questions to address. For now let's see what happens in the immediate few games, the closure of the window and by end of September (when we will have played some sides who you can reasonably expect to be up there). That's a well constructed and reasoned post, thank you... I go through phases of optimism and hope...then doom and depression...probably my age...and the fact my winter fuel allowance has been snaffled...(albeit I spaffed that on xmas booze)... The work at the stadium gives me hope for the future, on the pitch I don't know yet. I don't blame anyone for being more "downbeat" but I try to see the bigger picture. I don't think there is a lack of desire to be successful, however do those concerned have the competence? That is probably the doubt (based on the cock up that was last season). Hopefully the football will keep you warm, but the worry is you can't now afford the booze to dull the pain if it all goes pear-shaped.
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Post by Donny Terrier on Aug 2, 2024 9:49:30 GMT 1
Healey will be shit hot in this division if he stays fit Agreed. 28/1 to be league 1 top scorer. Worth a few quid. He,s a bit unnoticed by a few Town fans due to him being injured after signing It didn't help Brighton sheiter constantly saying he couldn't give him 90 minutes because he wasn't physically up to it...he still got 3 goals in 11 appearances And over his Career he scores 1 every 2 games which is a great record Imo he will score 15 plus goals this season
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Post by trevuptop on Aug 2, 2024 9:57:08 GMT 1
Do we know anymore about what the deal is with Bojan? Guess him being in or around the team tonight might give us an indication Chicken saying he was left out from the Austria tour because of a knock, seems strange to me especially as a big part of it is team- bonding etc Trained the other day but reckon he's off if we can find a suitable buyer
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Post by dezzly on Aug 2, 2024 10:10:08 GMT 1
Agreed. 28/1 to be league 1 top scorer. Worth a few quid. He,s a bit unnoticed by a few Town fans due to him being injured after signing It didn't help Brighton sheiter constantly saying he couldn't give him 90 minutes because he wasn't physically up to it...he still got 3 goals in 11 appearances And over his Career he scores 1 every 2 games which is a great record Imo he will score 15 plus goals this season I think you’re right if he stays fit and makes 25-30 appearances,mostly starts I think he’ll get upwards of that. He played 698 minutes the whole of last season,a mixture of been second choice at Watford and then initially injured on coming to us.5 goals which is roughly 1 every 140 minutes.it won’t bare out exactly like that but if he were to play 2000 minutes this season which I think wouldn’t be the most by any stretch but a decent amount if he were to keep up that rate he’d be around the 14/15 mark like you say. With someone alongside who can take care of a lot of the running and cause defenders a headache he may even improve that rate especially if he got a consistent run. We still do need at least 1 more and of decent quality and the right attributes to compliment him but should he stay fit iv pretty confident in him scoring.With the caveat of if he stays fit.
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Post by ram on Aug 2, 2024 10:29:24 GMT 1
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Post by Terriersmad on Aug 2, 2024 10:32:34 GMT 1
Agreed. 28/1 to be league 1 top scorer. Worth a few quid. He,s a bit unnoticed by a few Town fans due to him being injured after signing It didn't help Brighton sheiter constantly saying he couldn't give him 90 minutes because he wasn't physically up to it...he still got 3 goals in 11 appearances And over his Career he scores 1 every 2 games which is a great record Imo he will score 15 plus goals this season I agree. If Healey plays 35 games this season, he'll bag 20 goals. The issue is who else get the goals. I do think if Ward plays 30 games, he'll bag double figures. Koroma is the one player up front we have who we can say is likely to play 35+ games; if he does, I'd expect him to also get double figures. The issue we have is that we don't have a recognised striker - and I don't include Koroma in that, with respect, as he's a winger who can play up front in a pinch, rather than an out and out striker - who we can be confident will play 40-odd games. Even if we bring in one, it'll be a huge step in the right direction. But we have to remember that we're going to play at least 51 games this season - quite probably more. Assuming we get through to the second round of all the cups, 54. Chuck in the play-offs, 56. And that's my concern. If one striker can start 40 games (playing 2 up front) in such a campaign, we effectively need to find 72 more starts among what else we have. If two strikers can start 40 games, then you're looking for 32, and the issue is then rotation and freshness rather than just getting enough games out of players. Ditto midfield and defence. The issue isn't that we don't have quality in those areas; we don't have both quality and quantity, which are needed at this level. If we want to make wholesale changes in the BSM Trophy, we need squad depth to do so, and that's where we're lacking.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 2, 2024 10:42:20 GMT 1
Agreed. 28/1 to be league 1 top scorer. Worth a few quid. He,s a bit unnoticed by a few Town fans due to him being injured after signing It didn't help Brighton sheiter constantly saying he couldn't give him 90 minutes because he wasn't physically up to it...he still got 3 goals in 11 appearances And over his Career he scores 1 every 2 games which is a great record Imo he will score 15 plus goals this season Average of a goal every 147 minutes in league 1.
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Post by alanalanleeee on Aug 2, 2024 10:44:49 GMT 1
I think if Healey plays 3000 games, he will score lots of goals.
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Post by duncfost01 on Aug 2, 2024 10:46:55 GMT 1
He,s a bit unnoticed by a few Town fans due to him being injured after signing It didn't help Brighton sheiter constantly saying he couldn't give him 90 minutes because he wasn't physically up to it...he still got 3 goals in 11 appearances And over his Career he scores 1 every 2 games which is a great record Imo he will score 15 plus goals this season I agree. If Healey plays 35 games this season, he'll bag 20 goals. The issue is who else get the goals. I do think if Ward plays 30 games, he'll bag double figures. Koroma is the one player up front we have who we can say is likely to play 35+ games; if he does, I'd expect him to also get double figures. The issue we have is that we don't have a recognised striker - and I don't include Koroma in that, with respect, as he's a winger who can play up front in a pinch, rather than an out and out striker - who we can be confident will play 40-odd games. Even if we bring in one, it'll be a huge step in the right direction. But we have to remember that we're going to play at least 51 games this season - quite probably more. Assuming we get through to the second round of all the cups, 54. Chuck in the play-offs, 56. And that's my concern. If one striker can start 40 games (playing 2 up front) in such a campaign, we effectively need to find 72 more starts among what else we have. If two strikers can start 40 games, then you're looking for 32, and the issue is then rotation and freshness rather than just getting enough games out of players. Ditto midfield and defence. The issue isn't that we don't have quality in those areas; we don't have both quality and quantity, which are needed at this level. If we want to make wholesale changes in the BSM Trophy, we need squad depth to do so, and that's where we're lacking. Ward double figures ? - no chance one of the worst finishers I've ever seen add to that he isnt a natural striker so doesnt sniff out those extra goal as he is never in the right position.
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Post by ezzie on Aug 2, 2024 10:48:43 GMT 1
This sounds like the Huddersfield Town we all know and love. If the 3 striker thing is true then questions need to be asked of those who are trying to get them in. Or maybe we need to shift our thinking in terms of what strikers are worth.They are always worth more than other players.Maybe we simply don’t offer enough when it comes to fees or wages to get the better strikers over the line.🤷🏻 Yep we really don’t. There’s a reason other clubs beat us to their/our desired striker targets. Is Taylor soon to be another? I wonder whether we could’ve gotten his services for ~2m? But thought no.. let’s not, let’s try for an unproven loan - BCadamarteri/Ballard. Shifted the option of a striker who was top scorer for 2 teams last season, to Ballard - played 10 games last season and was out with a bad injury for months.
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Post by Dan on Aug 2, 2024 10:51:09 GMT 1
Or maybe we need to shift our thinking in terms of what strikers are worth.They are always worth more than other players.Maybe we simply don’t offer enough when it comes to fees or wages to get the better strikers over the line.🤷🏻 Yep we really don’t. There’s a reason other clubs beat us to their/our desired striker targets. Is Taylor soon to be another? I wonder whether we could’ve gotten his services for ~2m? But thought no.. let’s not, let’s try for an unproven loan - BCadamarteri/Ballard. Shifted the option of a striker who was top scorer for 2 teams last season, to Ballard - played 10 games last season and was out with a bad injury for months. Other than Birmingham/May, whoch other clubs have beat us to our targets?
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Post by dezzly on Aug 2, 2024 10:53:51 GMT 1
Or maybe we need to shift our thinking in terms of what strikers are worth.They are always worth more than other players.Maybe we simply don’t offer enough when it comes to fees or wages to get the better strikers over the line.🤷🏻 Yep we really don’t. There’s a reason other clubs beat us to their/our desired striker targets. Is Taylor soon to be another? I wonder whether we could’ve gotten his services for ~2m? But thought no.. let’s not, let’s try for an unproven loan - BCadamarteri/Ballard. Shifted the option of a striker who was top scorer for 2 teams last season, to Ballard - played 10 games last season and was out with a bad injury for months. Tbh we don’t know that we aren’t still in for Taylor…I’d imagine that yeh around the 2mill mark would be what Luton would be after though at the end of the loan. Think that is probably the right number to agree on possibly be worth more than that should he have a good season.
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Post by RickDangerous on Aug 2, 2024 10:56:38 GMT 1
I agree. If Healey plays 35 games this season, he'll bag 20 goals. The issue is who else get the goals. I do think if Ward plays 30 games, he'll bag double figures. Koroma is the one player up front we have who we can say is likely to play 35+ games; if he does, I'd expect him to also get double figures. The issue we have is that we don't have a recognised striker - and I don't include Koroma in that, with respect, as he's a winger who can play up front in a pinch, rather than an out and out striker - who we can be confident will play 40-odd games. Even if we bring in one, it'll be a huge step in the right direction. But we have to remember that we're going to play at least 51 games this season - quite probably more. Assuming we get through to the second round of all the cups, 54. Chuck in the play-offs, 56. And that's my concern. If one striker can start 40 games (playing 2 up front) in such a campaign, we effectively need to find 72 more starts among what else we have. If two strikers can start 40 games, then you're looking for 32, and the issue is then rotation and freshness rather than just getting enough games out of players. Ditto midfield and defence. The issue isn't that we don't have quality in those areas; we don't have both quality and quantity, which are needed at this level. If we want to make wholesale changes in the BSM Trophy, we need squad depth to do so, and that's where we're lacking. Ward double figures ? - no chance one of the worst finishers I've ever seen add to that he isnt a natural striker so doesnt sniff out those extra goal as he is never in the right position. Don't talk shit. Those two goals he got against Watford back end of last season were really good clever finishes, one was a run across the front post, the other a decent header. We hardly created any chances other than set pieces whilst he was fit either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2024 10:58:24 GMT 1
I agree. If Healey plays 35 games this season, he'll bag 20 goals. The issue is who else get the goals. I do think if Ward plays 30 games, he'll bag double figures. Koroma is the one player up front we have who we can say is likely to play 35+ games; if he does, I'd expect him to also get double figures. The issue we have is that we don't have a recognised striker - and I don't include Koroma in that, with respect, as he's a winger who can play up front in a pinch, rather than an out and out striker - who we can be confident will play 40-odd games. Even if we bring in one, it'll be a huge step in the right direction. But we have to remember that we're going to play at least 51 games this season - quite probably more. Assuming we get through to the second round of all the cups, 54. Chuck in the play-offs, 56. And that's my concern. If one striker can start 40 games (playing 2 up front) in such a campaign, we effectively need to find 72 more starts among what else we have. If two strikers can start 40 games, then you're looking for 32, and the issue is then rotation and freshness rather than just getting enough games out of players. Ditto midfield and defence. The issue isn't that we don't have quality in those areas; we don't have both quality and quantity, which are needed at this level. If we want to make wholesale changes in the BSM Trophy, we need squad depth to do so, and that's where we're lacking. Ward double figures ? - no chance one of the worst finishers I've ever seen add to that he isnt a natural striker so doesnt sniff out those extra goal as he is never in the right position. This is unfair on Danny, some of his finishes for us have been excellent, his biggest and main issue is keeping fit if he manages to keep fit he will be good in L1. He currently looks in good shape so fingers crossed he can stay that way.
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Post by Terriersmad on Aug 2, 2024 11:02:05 GMT 1
I agree. If Healey plays 35 games this season, he'll bag 20 goals. The issue is who else get the goals. I do think if Ward plays 30 games, he'll bag double figures. Koroma is the one player up front we have who we can say is likely to play 35+ games; if he does, I'd expect him to also get double figures. The issue we have is that we don't have a recognised striker - and I don't include Koroma in that, with respect, as he's a winger who can play up front in a pinch, rather than an out and out striker - who we can be confident will play 40-odd games. Even if we bring in one, it'll be a huge step in the right direction. But we have to remember that we're going to play at least 51 games this season - quite probably more. Assuming we get through to the second round of all the cups, 54. Chuck in the play-offs, 56. And that's my concern. If one striker can start 40 games (playing 2 up front) in such a campaign, we effectively need to find 72 more starts among what else we have. If two strikers can start 40 games, then you're looking for 32, and the issue is then rotation and freshness rather than just getting enough games out of players. Ditto midfield and defence. The issue isn't that we don't have quality in those areas; we don't have both quality and quantity, which are needed at this level. If we want to make wholesale changes in the BSM Trophy, we need squad depth to do so, and that's where we're lacking. Ward double figures ? - no chance one of the worst finishers I've ever seen add to that he isnt a natural striker so doesnt sniff out those extra goal as he is never in the right position. Huge caveat: if he plays 30 games. That's far more of an issue than his finishing ability, which isn't maybe as instinctive as other strikers, but isn't anywhere like as bad as you suggest. If he gets an early goal this season, and we start doing well, he'll get goals. Agreed that he isn't a natural striker, though, although his record over the last 10 years is that that is where he has played. I've never understood why he's been persisted with as a number 9, particularly as a lone striker. More of a wide forward or winger, always has been; two up front should suit him better than being the lone man up top.
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Post by kirkheatonterrier on Aug 2, 2024 11:07:44 GMT 1
His 2 finishes v Watford away weren't bad. Nor his winner v Sheff Utd that ensured we stayed up under NW. We've had far worse
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Post by gowlinggoal on Aug 2, 2024 11:10:27 GMT 1
Fans on DATM:
“I want a striker; we need a striker; why haven’t we signed a striker”.
Looks like we might get Ballard - “ I don’t want him”
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Post by dbterrier32 on Aug 2, 2024 11:13:56 GMT 1
Fans on DATM: “I want a striker; we need a striker; why haven’t we signed a striker”. Looks like we might get Ballard - “ I don’t want him” So would you be happy if they signed any player purely because he’s a striker? People are allowed to want a certain level of ability rather than just any player to say we have actually signed one. Isn’t that what we have been guilty of doing in the past?
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Post by huddshroom on Aug 2, 2024 11:14:32 GMT 1
Do we know anymore about what the deal is with Bojan? Guess him being in or around the team tonight might give us an indication Well he's no9 so guessing he's in the plans
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 2, 2024 11:18:33 GMT 1
Ward double figures ? - no chance one of the worst finishers I've ever seen add to that he isnt a natural striker so doesnt sniff out those extra goal as he is never in the right position. This is unfair on Danny, some of his finishes for us have been excellent, his biggest and main issue is keeping fit if he manages to keep fit he will be good in L1. He currently looks in good shape so fingers crossed he can stay that way. He's made 57 appearances over the last two seasons and managed 8 goals. An average of a goal every 462 minutes played. He doesn't score goals, doesn't create goals, his hold up play is poor and doesn't win his aerial battles. Very poor striker imo.
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Post by gowlinggoal on Aug 2, 2024 11:21:28 GMT 1
Fans on DATM: “I want a striker; we need a striker; why haven’t we signed a striker”. Looks like we might get Ballard - “ I don’t want him” So would you be happy if they signed any player purely because he’s a striker? People are allowed to want a certain level of ability rather than just any player to say we have actually signed one. Isn’t that what we have been guilty of doing in the past?
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Post by gowlinggoal on Aug 2, 2024 11:23:18 GMT 1
So would you be happy if they signed any player purely because he’s a striker? People are allowed to want a certain level of ability rather than just any player to say we have actually signed one. Isn’t that what we have been guilty of doing in the past? 6 goals in 19 games including Premier league at 19 years old. Isn’t that what we’re looking for?
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 2, 2024 11:23:54 GMT 1
This is unfair on Danny, some of his finishes for us have been excellent, his biggest and main issue is keeping fit if he manages to keep fit he will be good in L1. He currently looks in good shape so fingers crossed he can stay that way. He's made 57 appearances over the last two seasons and managed 8 goals. An average of a goal every 462 minutes played. He doesn't score goals, doesn't create goals, his hold up play is poor and doesn't win his aerial battles. Very poor striker imo. In his four seasons, he has scored 23 goals in 124 matches. That is shocking and if we signed someone else with that record, the fans would be moaning like fuck.
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 2, 2024 11:24:32 GMT 1
Ward double figures ? - no chance one of the worst finishers I've ever seen add to that he isnt a natural striker so doesnt sniff out those extra goal as he is never in the right position. This is unfair on Danny, some of his finishes for us have been excellent, his biggest and main issue is keeping fit if he manages to keep fit he will be good in L1. He currently looks in good shape so fingers crossed he can stay that way. Hi castlehillterrier!
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