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Post by Terriersmad on Aug 2, 2024 11:24:40 GMT 1
Fans on DATM: “I want a striker; we need a striker; why haven’t we signed a striker”. Looks like we might get Ballard - “ I don’t want him” So would you be happy if they signed any player purely because he’s a striker? People are allowed to want a certain level of ability rather than just any player to say we have actually signed one. Isn’t that what we have been guilty of doing in the past? I mean, he knocked in a few for Reading last season on his first taste of senior football. He then got injured. So it's not like he's a complete no-hoper; from what I can see, he's a good player with good potential. He just got injured, and we've picked up a few too many players who are out injured far too much in recent years.
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Post by teesdaleterrier on Aug 2, 2024 11:24:51 GMT 1
Wards purple patch was at Rotherham after he left us the first time round but even then he still only scored 18 goals in 2 seasons
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 2, 2024 11:25:10 GMT 1
Wards purple patch was at Rotherham after he left us the first time round but even then he still only scored 18 goals in 2 seasons And Wagner tried to sign him!
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 2, 2024 11:26:19 GMT 1
He's made 57 appearances over the last two seasons and managed 8 goals. An average of a goal every 462 minutes played. He doesn't score goals, doesn't create goals, his hold up play is poor and doesn't win his aerial battles. Very poor striker imo. In his four seasons, he has scored 23 goals in 124 matches. That is shocking and if we signed someone else with that record, the fans would be moaning like fuck. He's probably one of the highest earners on the books aswell.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2024 11:26:43 GMT 1
This is unfair on Danny, some of his finishes for us have been excellent, his biggest and main issue is keeping fit if he manages to keep fit he will be good in L1. He currently looks in good shape so fingers crossed he can stay that way. He's made 57 appearances over the last two seasons and managed 8 goals. An average of a goal every 462 minutes played. He doesn't score goals, doesn't create goals, his hold up play is poor and doesn't win his aerial battles. Very poor striker imo. The above In a poor / struggling Championship side, we are now let’s not forget in L1 where the bottom half of the table are significantly lower quality teams and we would expect to create far more chances and dominate the majority of games. If we were still in the Championship I think Danny Ward would struggle the fact is we are not and that’s a massive difference. Not for one minute saying he should be first choice but if fit Danny will be involved and a valuable asset in L1.
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 2, 2024 11:29:31 GMT 1
In his four seasons, he has scored 23 goals in 124 matches. That is shocking and if we signed someone else with that record, the fans would be moaning like fuck. He's probably one of the highest earners on the books aswell. Better players over the last few years have been given much more stick than Ward ever gets. He scored three goals last season, as a centre-forward he should be embarrassed. It might not be a popular opinion, but I think he's absolutely dreadful.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Aug 2, 2024 11:30:21 GMT 1
Sorry, I don’t get these Ward apologists. Part of the reason we got relegated is a lack of goals and a lock of depth. Ward didn’t score enough when he was on the pitch, but most importantly he didn’t get on the pitch enough.
If we want to go straight back up, we need to stop carrying the players that don’t contribute to the team, Ward is front and centre a non-contributor. We need winners, players that expect to win every week, strikers that expect to score every week, first team players that get on the pitch every week. Ward is none of that.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Aug 2, 2024 11:32:30 GMT 1
Sorry, I don’t get these Ward apologists. Part of the reason we got relegated is a lack of goals and a lock of depth. Ward didn’t score enough when he was on the pitch, but most importantly he didn’t get on the pitch enough. If we want to go straight back up, we need to stop carrying the players that don’t contribute to the team, Ward is front and centre a non-contributor. We need winners, players that expect to win every week, strikers that expect to score every week, first team players that get on the pitch every week. Ward is none of that. many on here will (and do) disagree.
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 2, 2024 11:33:40 GMT 1
Sorry, I don’t get these Ward apologists. Part of the reason we got relegated is a lack of goals and a lock of depth. Ward didn’t score enough when he was on the pitch, but most importantly he didn’t get on the pitch enough. If we want to go straight back up, we need to stop carrying the players that don’t contribute to the team, Ward is front and centre a non-contributor. We need winners, players that expect to win every week, strikers that expect to score every week, first team players that get on the pitch every week. Ward is none of that. many on here will (and do) disagree. Some will try and argue that scoring goals "isn't his job", just like they used to with Fraizer Campbell.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Aug 2, 2024 11:33:43 GMT 1
He's made 57 appearances over the last two seasons and managed 8 goals. An average of a goal every 462 minutes played. He doesn't score goals, doesn't create goals, his hold up play is poor and doesn't win his aerial battles. Very poor striker imo. The above In a poor / struggling Championship side, we are now let’s not forget in L1 where the bottom half of the table are significantly lower quality teams and we would expect to create far more chances and dominate the majority of games. If we were still in the Championship I think Danny Ward would struggle the fact is we are not and that’s a massive difference. Not for one minute saying he should be first choice but if fit Danny will be involved and a valuable asset in L1. Ward is not a valuable asset. We need better to go straight back up. We need a 1 in 2 striker. Ward will never be that.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Aug 2, 2024 11:34:42 GMT 1
Sorry, I don’t get these Ward apologists. Part of the reason we got relegated is a lack of goals and a lock of depth. Ward didn’t score enough when he was on the pitch, but most importantly he didn’t get on the pitch enough. If we want to go straight back up, we need to stop carrying the players that don’t contribute to the team, Ward is front and centre a non-contributor. We need winners, players that expect to win every week, strikers that expect to score every week, first team players that get on the pitch every week. Ward is none of that. many on here will (and do) disagree. You can disagree all you want, but mark my words, if we are relying on Ward to shoot us back into the Championship, it won’t happen.
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Post by Uddersfield on Aug 2, 2024 11:35:52 GMT 1
He's made 57 appearances over the last two seasons and managed 8 goals. An average of a goal every 462 minutes played. He doesn't score goals, doesn't create goals, his hold up play is poor and doesn't win his aerial battles. Very poor striker imo. The above In a poor / struggling Championship side, we are now let’s not forget in L1 where the bottom half of the table are significantly lower quality teams and we would expect to create far more chances and dominate the majority of games. If we were still in the Championship I think Danny Ward would struggle the fact is we are not and that’s a massive difference. Not for one minute saying he should be first choice but if fit Danny will be involved and a valuable asset in L1. Sorry can't take anything you say seriously since someone called you out as CHT
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 2, 2024 11:35:58 GMT 1
many on here will (and do) disagree. You can disagree all you want, but mark my words, if we are relying on Ward to shoot us back into the Championship, it won’t happen. "He just needs a goal". He just needs to leave, more like.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2024 11:36:11 GMT 1
Sorry, I don’t get these Ward apologists. Part of the reason we got relegated is a lack of goals and a lock of depth. Ward didn’t score enough when he was on the pitch, but most importantly he didn’t get on the pitch enough. If we want to go straight back up, we need to stop carrying the players that don’t contribute to the team, Ward is front and centre a non-contributor. We need winners, players that expect to win every week, strikers that expect to score every week, first team players that get on the pitch every week. Ward is none of that. Well let’s all hope he proves you wrong this season as it looks like he will be still here and hoping to contribute. He may not have got many goals but his work rate and effort on the pitch can not be questioned, as I said injuries are the main issue for him also playing as a lone striker is not easy, he should be better in a two this season and a strong option from the bench.
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 2, 2024 11:38:51 GMT 1
Sorry, I don’t get these Ward apologists. Part of the reason we got relegated is a lack of goals and a lock of depth. Ward didn’t score enough when he was on the pitch, but most importantly he didn’t get on the pitch enough. If we want to go straight back up, we need to stop carrying the players that don’t contribute to the team, Ward is front and centre a non-contributor. We need winners, players that expect to win every week, strikers that expect to score every week, first team players that get on the pitch every week. Ward is none of that. Well let’s all hope he proves you wrong this season as it looks like he will be still here and hoping to contribute. He may not have got many goals but his work rate and effort on the pitch can not be questioned, as I said injuries are the main issue for him also playing as a lone striker is not easy, he should be better in a two this season and a strong option from the bench. What is the job of a centre-forward? Is it to put effort in or is it to score goals? Putting effort in is the bare minimum expected of a footballer. You can't praise someone for simply putting effort in!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2024 11:39:33 GMT 1
The above In a poor / struggling Championship side, we are now let’s not forget in L1 where the bottom half of the table are significantly lower quality teams and we would expect to create far more chances and dominate the majority of games. If we were still in the Championship I think Danny Ward would struggle the fact is we are not and that’s a massive difference. Not for one minute saying he should be first choice but if fit Danny will be involved and a valuable asset in L1. Ward is not a valuable asset. We need better to go straight back up. We need a 1 in 2 striker. Ward will never be that. We need a squad and as 1 of 6 strikers I would be fine with Ward -New striker (ideally pace and eye for goal) - Healey - Ward - Bojan - Koroma - Harrett / new striker (Harrett on loan if we get two in)
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Aug 2, 2024 11:41:07 GMT 1
He,s a bit unnoticed by a few Town fans due to him being injured after signing It didn't help Brighton sheiter constantly saying he couldn't give him 90 minutes because he wasn't physically up to it...he still got 3 goals in 11 appearances And over his Career he scores 1 every 2 games which is a great record Imo he will score 15 plus goals this season I agree. If Healey plays 35 games this season, he'll bag 20 goals. The issue is who else get the goals. I do think if Ward plays 30 games, he'll bag double figures. Koroma is the one player up front we have who we can say is likely to play 35+ games; if he does, I'd expect him to also get double figures. The issue we have is that we don't have a recognised striker - and I don't include Koroma in that, with respect, as he's a winger who can play up front in a pinch, rather than an out and out striker - who we can be confident will play 40-odd games. Even if we bring in one, it'll be a huge step in the right direction. But we have to remember that we're going to play at least 51 games this season - quite probably more. Assuming we get through to the second round of all the cups, 54. Chuck in the play-offs, 56. And that's my concern. If one striker can start 40 games (playing 2 up front) in such a campaign, we effectively need to find 72 more starts among what else we have. If two strikers can start 40 games, then you're looking for 32, and the issue is then rotation and freshness rather than just getting enough games out of players. Ditto midfield and defence. The issue isn't that we don't have quality in those areas; we don't have both quality and quantity, which are needed at this level. If we want to make wholesale changes in the BSM Trophy, we need squad depth to do so, and that's where we're lacking. Whilst injuries can be a concern - nothing to say a player without injuries can’t have a bad injury at any point. May could break his leg first game of season - it happens and is part of football
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Post by Terriersmad on Aug 2, 2024 11:42:18 GMT 1
This is unfair on Danny, some of his finishes for us have been excellent, his biggest and main issue is keeping fit if he manages to keep fit he will be good in L1. He currently looks in good shape so fingers crossed he can stay that way. He's made 57 appearances over the last two seasons and managed 8 goals. An average of a goal every 462 minutes played. He doesn't score goals, doesn't create goals, his hold up play is poor and doesn't win his aerial battles. Very poor striker imo. In his defence, how often has the ball been pumped up to him in that time with nobody in blue and white in support? Where he might win a flick-on but nobody is there? Where he brought it down but the nearest Town player was 30-40 yards away? You could put Erling Haaland in the same position, and often it would have been the same story - nobody around, isolated figure, feeding off scraps in a team that generally didn't score goals. Only Sorba Thomas created anything whatsoever. Ward's failure is a more general systemic failure of the last couple of years. He's not a great Championship striker, I'm not going to argue he is - even in his purple patch of 2021/22 he got only 14 goals (a career best), playing as a lone striker. But we're not talking about the Championship any more. League One is a step down. We are going to also be playing with a front two - so Ward will be less isolated when he plays, and that plays more to his strengths. He's not going to suddenly turn into Jordan Rhodes 2011/12. But I would anticipate him looking and being an awful lot better when he plays this coming season. I'll stand by it: if he plays 30 games (as a starter), he'll get 10+ goals as a second striker.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2024 11:42:37 GMT 1
Well let’s all hope he proves you wrong this season as it looks like he will be still here and hoping to contribute. He may not have got many goals but his work rate and effort on the pitch can not be questioned, as I said injuries are the main issue for him also playing as a lone striker is not easy, he should be better in a two this season and a strong option from the bench. What is the job of a centre-forward? Is it to put effort in or is it to score goals? Putting effort in is the bare minimum expected of a footballer. You can't praise someone for simply putting effort in! Number 1 is help the team, most strikers would have struggled for goals in the last few seasons we didn’t create anywhere near enough chances in open play. By the way I don’t think Ward is perfect and in an ideal world we would want better but he is our player and I still think he has something to offer as part of the squad.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Aug 2, 2024 11:43:34 GMT 1
We've all woken up a bit grumpy-groats today?
Especially two of us!
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 2, 2024 11:44:08 GMT 1
What is the job of a centre-forward? Is it to put effort in or is it to score goals? Putting effort in is the bare minimum expected of a footballer. You can't praise someone for simply putting effort in! Number 1 is help the team, most strikers would have struggled for goals in the last few seasons we didn’t create anywhere near enough chances in open play. By the way I don’t think Ward is perfect and in an ideal world we would want better but he is our player and I still think he has something to offer as part of the squad. Agreed. I noticed that the ground has had a lick of paint recently, perhaps he's been earning his money for once.
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Post by Terriersmad on Aug 2, 2024 11:44:22 GMT 1
I agree. If Healey plays 35 games this season, he'll bag 20 goals. The issue is who else get the goals. I do think if Ward plays 30 games, he'll bag double figures. Koroma is the one player up front we have who we can say is likely to play 35+ games; if he does, I'd expect him to also get double figures. The issue we have is that we don't have a recognised striker - and I don't include Koroma in that, with respect, as he's a winger who can play up front in a pinch, rather than an out and out striker - who we can be confident will play 40-odd games. Even if we bring in one, it'll be a huge step in the right direction. But we have to remember that we're going to play at least 51 games this season - quite probably more. Assuming we get through to the second round of all the cups, 54. Chuck in the play-offs, 56. And that's my concern. If one striker can start 40 games (playing 2 up front) in such a campaign, we effectively need to find 72 more starts among what else we have. If two strikers can start 40 games, then you're looking for 32, and the issue is then rotation and freshness rather than just getting enough games out of players. Ditto midfield and defence. The issue isn't that we don't have quality in those areas; we don't have both quality and quantity, which are needed at this level. If we want to make wholesale changes in the BSM Trophy, we need squad depth to do so, and that's where we're lacking. Whilst injuries can be a concern - nothing to say a player without injuries can’t have a bad injury at any point. May could break his leg first game of season - it happens and is part of football Always true, and why I've not said that a player can guarantee games. Koroma, the player I'd be most confident of playing 40+ games out of our attacking options, might get injured first game and be ruled out for the season. A player with a poor injury record might play far more than anticipated.
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 2, 2024 11:44:24 GMT 1
We've all woken up a bit grumpy-groats today? Especially two of us! One of us was born that way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2024 11:45:24 GMT 1
We've all woken up a bit grumpy-groats today? Especially two of us! Maybe a good time to announce a striker signing! It’s the hope that kills you……
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Post by theterrier42 on Aug 2, 2024 11:47:15 GMT 1
Wouldn’t say it’s grumpy to call ward shite, more realism and not blind optimism like lots. He is in “good shape” every year but I’ve still never seen him be good other than a couple months under corberan
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Post by Essex Terrier on Aug 2, 2024 11:48:42 GMT 1
Wouldn’t say it’s grumpy to call ward shite, more realism and not blind optimism like lots. He is in “good shape” every year but I’ve still never seen him be good other than a couple months under corberan Sorry, three of us!
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 2, 2024 11:49:45 GMT 1
Wouldn’t say it’s grumpy to call ward shite, more realism and not blind optimism like lots. He is in “good shape” every year but I’ve still never seen him be good other than a couple months under corberan And in his initial loan spell nearly 15 years ago.
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Post by theterrier42 on Aug 2, 2024 11:54:14 GMT 1
Wouldn’t say it’s grumpy to call ward shite, more realism and not blind optimism like lots. He is in “good shape” every year but I’ve still never seen him be good other than a couple months under corberan Sorry, three of us! I am actually optimistic for this season! But equally not putting hope on players who are still in the squad, and barely contributed to a side that were a team of losers
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2024 11:58:59 GMT 1
Wouldn’t say it’s grumpy to call ward shite, more realism and not blind optimism like lots. He is in “good shape” every year but I’ve still never seen him be good other than a couple months under corberan And in his initial loan spell nearly 15 years ago. And under NW for a few months. Would love to get a young fearless loan like Danny was 15 years ago, someone like that would be great for us now (as a striker and not a winger) Getting a new striker is so important for our season I for one am glad we are waiting to try and get what we want, if we want to challenge for top two this signing is the most important one.
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 2, 2024 12:00:18 GMT 1
And in his initial loan spell nearly 15 years ago. And under NW for a few months. Would love to get a young fearless loan like Danny was 15 years ago, someone like that would be great for us now (as a striker and not a winger) Getting a new striker is so important for our season I for one am glad we are waiting to try and get what we want, if we want to challenge for top two this signing is the most important one. Debatable. How's it going anyway, Castlehillterrier? Long time no speak.
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