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Post by philatrickstarbuck on May 30, 2024 21:22:07 GMT 1
Wrexham Wrexham Wrexham ffs
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Post by Next Manager coming soon on May 30, 2024 21:27:37 GMT 1
Welcome to the Wrexham forum everyone!!
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on May 30, 2024 21:52:37 GMT 1
They were in the national league and we were in the championship. And you think they generated well over an additional £8m on top of the £10m last year? From where? The point was they “generate far more than us in revenue” with no proof at all. It’s nonsense. Well we will be nearly £7m in tv/prize money down next year so they only need an extra £1m and they’ll probably get that from increased tv/prize money having been promoted 2 years running. Birmingham will have the largest budget in the league. Ours may be second but Wrexham and possibly Bolton won’t be far behind. Rotherham and Barnsley will be competitive and Peterborough and Stockport could challenge. It won’t be a cakewalk.
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Post by ldotm on May 30, 2024 22:01:58 GMT 1
Again, you’re speaking in “ifs and maybes”, you said they generate FAR more than us. Christ almighty. Just fucking Google it. All accounts are published online. “Wrexham say turnover jumped from £5.97m to £10.48m while still in non-league. According to Deloitte's most recent annual review of football finance, that was greater than the average League One club's revenue in 2022 (£9.2m). Similarly, Wrexham say their wage bill increased from £4.05m to £6.91m - with £6.8m being the League One average in 2022. Retail income rose from £1.303m in 2022 to £3.430m in 2023 while funds generated through sponsorship and advertising increased from £1.053m to £1.883m over the same period.“ (Via the their own website). As expected, Town’s revenue fell considerably in 2022/23: they turned over £18.1m compared with the previous year’s £31.4m. (For the same period). If we hadn’t have sold Toffs and LoB we’d have lost £13m. Our retail dropped to less than Wrexham. They grossed a third of our matchday revenue. Our sponsorship was three times that of Wrexham, bolstered by a trip to Wembley. So was our TV income. That was in the national league. It’s not difficult to work out that’s increased. Towns has reduced further. Having been near administration. Without TV deals, celebrity endorsement and big sponsors. It’s fair to assume they’re now comparable. If not greater. *2023/24 finances will not be available until next year. I have fucking googled it you muppet and as I stated and just backed up, the only public results show Town with a much higher revenue generated. The point made was it’s already FAR greater, in which I stated there is no proof to suggest it is. Comparable, maybe. FAR greater, no chance. You also can’t use player sales as if that doesn’t count? That’s exactly another aspect on how we have generated higher revenues. How can you just ignore it.
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Post by NoToTrumpDonors on May 30, 2024 22:13:06 GMT 1
Town couldn’t manage to sign championship level players when they were in the championship. They aren’t going to start now.
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Post by tockyterrier on May 30, 2024 22:34:47 GMT 1
Christ almighty. Just fucking Google it. All accounts are published online. “Wrexham say turnover jumped from £5.97m to £10.48m while still in non-league. According to Deloitte's most recent annual review of football finance, that was greater than the average League One club's revenue in 2022 (£9.2m). Similarly, Wrexham say their wage bill increased from £4.05m to £6.91m - with £6.8m being the League One average in 2022. Retail income rose from £1.303m in 2022 to £3.430m in 2023 while funds generated through sponsorship and advertising increased from £1.053m to £1.883m over the same period.“ (Via the their own website). As expected, Town’s revenue fell considerably in 2022/23: they turned over £18.1m compared with the previous year’s £31.4m. (For the same period). If we hadn’t have sold Toffs and LoB we’d have lost £13m. Our retail dropped to less than Wrexham. They grossed a third of our matchday revenue. Our sponsorship was three times that of Wrexham, bolstered by a trip to Wembley. So was our TV income. That was in the national league. It’s not difficult to work out that’s increased. Towns has reduced further. Having been near administration. Without TV deals, celebrity endorsement and big sponsors. It’s fair to assume they’re now comparable. If not greater. *2023/24 finances will not be available until next year. I have fucking googled it you muppet and as I stated and just backed up, the only public results show Town with a much higher revenue generated. The point made was it’s already FAR greater, in which I stated there is no proof to suggest it is. Comparable, maybe. FAR greater, no chance. You also can’t use player sales as if that doesn’t count? That’s exactly another aspect on how we have generated higher revenues. How can you just ignore it. And we've just lost £7m of our revenue from the season you are comparing 🙄
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on May 30, 2024 22:53:51 GMT 1
On Wrexham: they have been run as a League One club for some seasons now. They took advantage of the financial openness of the National League to build a team that could climb to League One very quickly. They signed players too good for non-league and paid League One wages, on the likes of Paul Mullin. In many ways, it’s a perfect model: act like you are it, and you’ll be it, albeit starting out without the limitations of financial fair play allowing very fast progress to be made. That being said, they have operated as a League One side and signed League One players. They’re now in League One. That team they built contains good players for this level, but is it a top side? This is their real acid test. They might come up trumps. I think they’re outside contenders for the play-offs. I don’t see them - and I could be wrong - as contenders for automatic promotion. Town should be looking at a different class of player from Wrexham. We should be looking at - and be in a position to secure the services of - good Championship footballers, who can help us in the division above. Much like Wrexham in the last couple of years. I say all this with a certain amount of admiration for Wrexham and their ownership. A club that really was on its uppers, a historic club down where it shouldn’t be, in a town that isn’t the most glamorous but is a proper working-class area. The ownership came in, all razzmatazz, and turned all that around, really bought in to the club and the area despite having no prior links, and restored pride and life to a dying club. They’ve not robbed the place of its identity, but built on it. It’s good to see them back in the league after so many years of struggle and don’t begrudge them their good times at all. About time the fans down there had something to really enjoy. We’re exactly the same as Wrexham. We also signed League 1 players and found ourselves in League 1 soon enough. Just from the other direction. 😅
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Post by boooothy on May 30, 2024 23:11:40 GMT 1
Back on topic. The Welcome to Wrexham thing is very good, i’d recommend it to anyone who hasn’t seen it.
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Post by ruggedivy on May 31, 2024 1:18:03 GMT 1
So no new signings news then.
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Post by Convictatthemac on May 31, 2024 1:40:48 GMT 1
This thread was much better when people couldn’t find it 😂
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Post by dbterrier32 on May 31, 2024 3:08:56 GMT 1
Fair point.....but clock is ticking and 'early' means a goal well before half time............... I genuinely blame the Champo/Footy Manager creators for fan impatience. If we were on Champo we'd already have signed an unknown Brazilian wonderkid, a 34 year old former England international and a 23 from the Norwegian top flight. Yeah but imagine our Left Back problems are solved when we sign Taribo West
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Post by rockwall on May 31, 2024 7:03:42 GMT 1
Is there only me that seems to think Wrexham won't be challenging and will probably be lower end of the table?
I don't see why people think they will be up there. They didn't even win League 2ast season.
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Post by runner76 on May 31, 2024 8:45:25 GMT 1
What I do fully expect is we will finish above Wrexham.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on May 31, 2024 9:19:29 GMT 1
...and the point of the reply is there are other clubs that may have even wealthier owners and be equally or more attractive for various reasons wrexham ? would anyone want to live in Wrexham ? i was brought up a bit not far from there, its a shhhhh hole lol, brum ok but others ? Wycombe have a billionaire owner yes, but the ability to finace big moves , is not there compared to us. Our owner if you believe reports is the wealthiest owner , not just in league 1, but outside the prem in some papers / media outlets you read on his finincal means. As far as i am concered there is zero excuses now, the fiance is there , the history is there etc etc for us to compete at this level. half an hour from Chester, an hour from Alderley Edge...
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Post by Terriersmad on May 31, 2024 9:19:43 GMT 1
On Wrexham: they have been run as a League One club for some seasons now. They took advantage of the financial openness of the National League to build a team that could climb to League One very quickly. They signed players too good for non-league and paid League One wages, on the likes of Paul Mullin. In many ways, it’s a perfect model: act like you are it, and you’ll be it, albeit starting out without the limitations of financial fair play allowing very fast progress to be made. That being said, they have operated as a League One side and signed League One players. They’re now in League One. That team they built contains good players for this level, but is it a top side? This is their real acid test. They might come up trumps. I think they’re outside contenders for the play-offs. I don’t see them - and I could be wrong - as contenders for automatic promotion. Town should be looking at a different class of player from Wrexham. We should be looking at - and be in a position to secure the services of - good Championship footballers, who can help us in the division above. Much like Wrexham in the last couple of years. I say all this with a certain amount of admiration for Wrexham and their ownership. A club that really was on its uppers, a historic club down where it shouldn’t be, in a town that isn’t the most glamorous but is a proper working-class area. The ownership came in, all razzmatazz, and turned all that around, really bought in to the club and the area despite having no prior links, and restored pride and life to a dying club. They’ve not robbed the place of its identity, but built on it. It’s good to see them back in the league after so many years of struggle and don’t begrudge them their good times at all. About time the fans down there had something to really enjoy. We’re exactly the same as Wrexham. We also signed League 1 players and found ourselves in League 1 soon enough. Just from the other direction. 😅 True
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on May 31, 2024 9:32:59 GMT 1
I genuinely blame the Champo/Footy Manager creators for fan impatience. If we were on Champo we'd already have signed an unknown Brazilian wonderkid, a 34 year old former England international and a 23 from the Norwegian top flight. Yeah but imagine our Left Back problems are solved when we sign Taribo West Cherno Samba spotted in Merrie England
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on May 31, 2024 9:34:21 GMT 1
Christ almighty. Just fucking Google it. All accounts are published online. “Wrexham say turnover jumped from £5.97m to £10.48m while still in non-league. According to Deloitte's most recent annual review of football finance, that was greater than the average League One club's revenue in 2022 (£9.2m). Similarly, Wrexham say their wage bill increased from £4.05m to £6.91m - with £6.8m being the League One average in 2022. Retail income rose from £1.303m in 2022 to £3.430m in 2023 while funds generated through sponsorship and advertising increased from £1.053m to £1.883m over the same period.“ (Via the their own website). As expected, Town’s revenue fell considerably in 2022/23: they turned over £18.1m compared with the previous year’s £31.4m. (For the same period). If we hadn’t have sold Toffs and LoB we’d have lost £13m. Our retail dropped to less than Wrexham. They grossed a third of our matchday revenue. Our sponsorship was three times that of Wrexham, bolstered by a trip to Wembley. So was our TV income. That was in the national league. It’s not difficult to work out that’s increased. Towns has reduced further. Having been near administration. Without TV deals, celebrity endorsement and big sponsors. It’s fair to assume they’re now comparable. If not greater. *2023/24 finances will not be available until next year. I have fucking googled it you muppet and as I stated and just backed up, the only public results show Town with a much higher revenue generated. The point made was it’s already FAR greater, in which I stated there is no proof to suggest it is. Comparable, maybe. FAR greater, no chance. You also can’t use player sales as if that doesn’t count? That’s exactly another aspect on how we have generated higher revenues. How can you just ignore it. But you're comparing a championship club's finances with a vanarama club's finances. apples and oranges. Our budgets will be similar. Their entire model is predicated on rapidly ascending the leagues. They will not have the words "consolidation" anywhere in their plan until they get top the Prem, if they do. And the sponsorship Reynolds and the McElwhatsit can attract means their non-player generated revenues will increase in line with their status. It's really a pointless argument. There is a very real chance that at some point this decade they'll be in a higher league than us. I have fucking googled it you muppet and as I stated and just backed up, the only public results show Town with a much higher revenue generated.
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Post by ram on May 31, 2024 10:07:42 GMT 1
This Wrexham love in is getting up my wick, We are Huddersfield Town.fuck em!
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Post by dugnet on May 31, 2024 10:13:02 GMT 1
This Wrexham love in is getting up my wick, We are Huddersfield Town.fuck em! I am more than happy to let Wrexham take the headlines, they court the spotlight so let them have it. Although they were promoted last season their away form wasn't outstanding and they had some poor results for a team that was promoted. I think, much like Salford when they entered the football league, they might find things a bit tougher this coming season. I also wonder if our old pal "the chair" might be looking over his shoulder. That all said, I'll worry about Town and concern myself with Wrexham the two days we play them.
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Post by Sparrow on May 31, 2024 10:22:53 GMT 1
It is still early. Technically the season only really finished last Sunday when Leeds fell apart again. And we have over 3 months of the window left. If the window were a football match we're in the first ten minutes and are just keeping it tight at the moment. As long as we're in the lead at half-time (end of June?) I'll be happy. Fair point.....but clock is ticking and 'early' means a goal well before half time............... To be fair the game hasn't really kicked off as yet as the Transfer Window isn't even open. The Transfer Window opens on 14th June. So really we're only just in the pre-match warm up. Goalies have come out, but the rest of the squad are still back in the changing rooms. We can't sign anyone under contract until 14th June at the earliest. As for signing anyone who's a Free Agent. Any that are decent wont be rushing to sign for anyone as yet. They'll keep their options open until nearer to when teams are returning to pre-season or even later. The clubs signing free agents now are signing the ones that no one else are seriously interested in. Players who only have 1 or 2 clubs interested in them will sign a deal quicker than a player that has 6 or 7 teams interested.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 31, 2024 10:49:56 GMT 1
I bet their shirt sponsorship for the new season generates 5x what ours does i think you need to ask Nagle next time he does a diary, "can you compete with deadpool you poor man" ? He may laugh at you, but i want someone to ask him, heck no one has asked him just to confirm how much of a billionaire is he yet ? i think someone should . You know Ryan Reynolds is a very successful businessman as well though. He sold his Aviation Gin business for over $600m and had a large stake in Mint Mobile that went for $1.35bn I'm not saying he's worth more or less than Nagle but he's got deeper pockets than Dean Hoyle etc. Definitely not to be dismissed as a mere actor and shouldn't be underestimated. Shrewd self made multi millionaire who has had commercial success in Entertainment, alcohol and telecom industries www.investopedia.com/ryan-reynolds-net-worth-7111408
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on May 31, 2024 11:06:22 GMT 1
i think you need to ask Nagle next time he does a diary, "can you compete with deadpool you poor man" ? He may laugh at you, but i want someone to ask him, heck no one has asked him just to confirm how much of a billionaire is he yet ? i think someone should . You know Ryan Reynolds is a very successful businessman as well though. He sold his Aviation Gin business for over $600m and had a large stake in Mint Mobile that went for $1.35bn I'm not saying he's worth more or less than Nagle but he's got deeper pockets than Dean Hoyle etc. Definitely not to be dismissed as a mere actor and shouldn't be underestimated. Shrewd self made multi millionaire who has had commercial success in Entertainment, alcohol and telecom industries www.investopedia.com/ryan-reynolds-net-worth-7111408Plus he's, like, dead funny and that
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Post by runner76 on May 31, 2024 11:22:01 GMT 1
You know Ryan Reynolds is a very successful businessman as well though. He sold his Aviation Gin business for over $600m and had a large stake in Mint Mobile that went for $1.35bn I'm not saying he's worth more or less than Nagle but he's got deeper pockets than Dean Hoyle etc. Definitely not to be dismissed as a mere actor and shouldn't be underestimated. Shrewd self made multi millionaire who has had commercial success in Entertainment, alcohol and telecom industries www.investopedia.com/ryan-reynolds-net-worth-7111408Plus he's, like, dead funny and that and very good looking. At least, my lass thinks so.
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Post by ldotm on May 31, 2024 11:28:21 GMT 1
I have fucking googled it you muppet and as I stated and just backed up, the only public results show Town with a much higher revenue generated. The point made was it’s already FAR greater, in which I stated there is no proof to suggest it is. Comparable, maybe. FAR greater, no chance. You also can’t use player sales as if that doesn’t count? That’s exactly another aspect on how we have generated higher revenues. How can you just ignore it. But you're comparing a championship club's finances with a vanarama club's finances. apples and oranges. Our budgets will be similar. Their entire model is predicated on rapidly ascending the leagues. They will not have the words "consolidation" anywhere in their plan until they get top the Prem, if they do. And the sponsorship Reynolds and the McElwhatsit can attract means their non-player generated revenues will increase in line with their status. It's really a pointless argument. There is a very real chance that at some point this decade they'll be in a higher league than us. I have fucking googled it you muppet and as I stated and just backed up, the only public results show Town with a much higher revenue generated. Just wasn’t the original debate though was it.. moving on anyway
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on May 31, 2024 12:47:26 GMT 1
Welcome to the Wrexham forum everyone!! The big question is have wrecksem done any transfers on transfer board
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on May 31, 2024 12:52:11 GMT 1
Any transfer rumours?
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Post by CurlyWurly on May 31, 2024 12:54:14 GMT 1
Just been on the Wrexham forum, they're arguing whether the Hudderfield Town Thread should be in the Summer Transfer thread or Talk of the Town.. Weeks behind us that lot
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Post by castlehillterrier on May 31, 2024 12:55:56 GMT 1
Very little info at the moment just a few snippets heard in the last week below.
- Hogg, the club no what he is doing but no annoucnement as currently on vacation. - Yuta although released, Yuta has been given the chance to stay with Town for his rehab, who knows what might happen when he is fit and it wouldnt be too suprising to see him in a town shirt again if he takes up the offer to rehab with us. (short term free transfer after the window shuts maybe). - Rodriguez we did offer a contract but Burnley paying more and doesnt need to move. - Heard we are open to Danny Ward leaving and may not even ask for a fee, unfortunatly the two clubs showing any interest we won't let him go to as both in our league and expected to be up there (both his ex clubs strangly). - Baulker will not leave unless its a big offer. - Tom Lees not sure he will ever play for us again or play again its not good and is certainly long term if not worse for him.
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Post by benhomly on May 31, 2024 13:07:12 GMT 1
Very little info at the moment just a few snippets heard in the last week below. - Hogg, the club no what he is doing but no annoucnement as currently on vacation. - Yuta although released, Yuta has been given the chance to stay with Town for his rehab, who knows what might happen when he is fit and it wouldnt be too suprising to see him in a town shirt again if he takes up the offer to rehab with us. (short term free transfer after the window shuts maybe). - Rodriguez we did offer a contract but Burnley paying more and doesnt need to move. - Heard we are open to Danny Ward leaving and may not even ask for a fee, unfortunatly the two clubs showing any interest we won't let him go to as both in our league and expected to be up there (both his ex clubs strangly). - Baulker will not leave unless its a big offer. - Tom Lees not sure he will ever play for us again or play again its not good and is certainly long term if not worse for him. With regard to Ward, if we're afraid of letting him go to one of our rivals next season we really need to have a re-think on who we are allowing to make decisions like that. We should be encouraging him to go to our perceived rivals not stopping him.
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Post by twyford on May 31, 2024 13:13:49 GMT 1
Is there only me that seems to think Wrexham won't be challenging and will probably be lower end of the table? I don't see why people think they will be up there. They didn't even win League 2ast season. Ipswich were runners up to Plymouth in L1 the season before last but are now in the PL!
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