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Post by boooothy on May 30, 2024 18:01:32 GMT 1
Apart from Wrexham (unfortunately) Yeah they will be attractive to a certain type of player who fancies getting on TV. They probably can’t afford Sorba Thomas for example but you can imagine it would get him all the publicity he craves.
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Post by sallycinnamon on May 30, 2024 18:06:47 GMT 1
West Brom in for Sorba. Likely dependent upon Carlos not disappearing to Leicester Where have you seen that? A deal akin to the Karlan Grant one would be great.
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Post by branxholme on May 30, 2024 18:08:12 GMT 1
Apart from Wrexham (unfortunately) Wrexham will have issues, as the rules in league 1 talks about 75% of income can be spent on players. Yes in league 2 , 11k fans is great but when you compare their income to clubs such as Brum and ours . Heck we have even brought people in, to work out ways of upping our revenue streams, then we should still be able to compete and beat almost all clubs in league 1 (bar brum maybe) as we have give or take 14k/16 k season ticket holders, we can ask more for our comerical situations, as there is in theory more eyes on the products etc. Plus Nagle is very wealthy in himself, says he is very willing to invest (we shall see on this front ) I would say he has more brass than Deadpol etc .
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Post by branxholme on May 30, 2024 18:10:08 GMT 1
Apart from Wrexham (unfortunately) Wrexham will have issues, as the rules in league 1 talks about 75% of income can be spent on players. Yes in league 2 , 11k fans is great but when you compare their income to clubs such as Brum and ours . Heck we have even brought people in, to work out ways of upping our revenue streams, then we should still be able to compete and beat almost all clubs in league 1 (bar brum maybe) as we have give or take 14k/16 k season ticket holders, we can ask more for our comerical situations, as there is in theory more eyes on the products etc. Plus Nagle is very wealthy in himself, says he is very willing to invest (we shall see on this front ) I would say he has more brass than Deadpol etc . It is 60% for League 1 clubs, but 75% for relegated Championship clubs
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Post by bells ringing :) on May 30, 2024 18:17:32 GMT 1
Wrexham will have issues, as the rules in league 1 talks about 75% of income can be spent on players. Yes in league 2 , 11k fans is great but when you compare their income to clubs such as Brum and ours . Heck we have even brought people in, to work out ways of upping our revenue streams, then we should still be able to compete and beat almost all clubs in league 1 (bar brum maybe) as we have give or take 14k/16 k season ticket holders, we can ask more for our comerical situations, as there is in theory more eyes on the products etc. Plus Nagle is very wealthy in himself, says he is very willing to invest (we shall see on this front ) I would say he has more brass than Deadpol etc . It is 60% for League 1 clubs, but 75% for relegated Championship clubs well there you go , our revenue should be higher, to allow us to compete with anyone !
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 30, 2024 18:20:49 GMT 1
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 30, 2024 18:21:48 GMT 1
It is 60% for League 1 clubs, but 75% for relegated Championship clubs well there you go , our revenue should be higher, to allow us to compete with anyone ! Their revenue is far greater than ours. It isn't just down to attendance figures
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Post by ldotm on May 30, 2024 18:29:06 GMT 1
well there you go , our revenue should be higher, to allow us to compete with anyone ! Their revenue is far greater than ours. It isn't just down to attendance figures Who’s is? Wrexham?
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 30, 2024 18:30:04 GMT 1
Their revenue is far greater than ours. It isn't just down to attendance figures Who’s is? Wrexham? Yes
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Post by Big Ern on May 30, 2024 18:34:17 GMT 1
well there you go , our revenue should be higher, to allow us to compete with anyone ! Their revenue is far greater than ours. It isn't just down to attendance figures I think this is part of the reason he wants ownership of the stadium. One of his subsidiary company's could sponsor it for a large sum and that would go towards club revenue.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on May 30, 2024 18:39:24 GMT 1
Their revenue is far greater than ours. It isn't just down to attendance figures I think this is part of the reason he wants ownership of the stadium. One of his subsidiary company's could sponsor it for a large sum and that would go towards club revenue. KN also alluded to changing the name of the stadium in the future, so another option to what you suggested would be for a new third party to sponsor it.
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Post by ldotm on May 30, 2024 18:56:17 GMT 1
Last years figures were reported at £10.4m revenue, ours was £18m.
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Post by bells ringing :) on May 30, 2024 19:02:52 GMT 1
Last years figures were reported at £10.4m revenue, ours was £18m. shhh they have deadpool, therefore earn soooo much netflix dosh. At the end of the day , weather Deadpool is there or not, you can't magic up Wrexham being a huge club, with huge fan base etc. Nagle is worth more than Deadpool and as above , we don't half talk ourselves down , even in this league , fans want us to be a small dog .
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on May 30, 2024 19:02:59 GMT 1
Last years figures were reported at £10.4m revenue, ours was £18m. They were in the national league and we were in the championship.
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Post by nicovaesen on May 30, 2024 19:04:15 GMT 1
Imagine saying out loud there would be question marks on whether we could compete financially with Wrexham after schindler scored.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 30, 2024 19:05:05 GMT 1
Last years figures were reported at £10.4m revenue, ours was £18m. They were in the national league and we were in the championship. I bet their shirt sponsorship for the new season generates 5x what ours does
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Post by bells ringing :) on May 30, 2024 19:07:10 GMT 1
They were in the national league and we were in the championship. I bet their shirt sponsorship for the new season generates 5x what ours does i think you need to ask Nagle next time he does a diary, "can you compete with deadpool you poor man" ? He may laugh at you, but i want someone to ask him, heck no one has asked him just to confirm how much of a billionaire is he yet ? i think someone should .
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 30, 2024 19:12:59 GMT 1
I bet their shirt sponsorship for the new season generates 5x what ours does i think you need to ask Nagle next time he does a diary, "can you compete with deadpool you poor man" ? He may laugh at you, but i want someone to ask him, heck no one has asked him just to confirm how much of a billionaire is he yet ? i think someone should . It doesn't matter if he's worth £100 million or £10 billion. There's rules in place that limit what he can put in. Wrexham have built a model off of the popularity of their owners which now generates good legitimate income.
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Post by bells ringing :) on May 30, 2024 19:19:27 GMT 1
i think you need to ask Nagle next time he does a diary, "can you compete with deadpool you poor man" ? He may laugh at you, but i want someone to ask him, heck no one has asked him just to confirm how much of a billionaire is he yet ? i think someone should . It doesn't matter if he's worth £100 million or £10 billion. There's rules in place that limit what he can put in. Wrexham have built a model off of the popularity of their owners which now generates good legitimate income. yes , but even given that , they are still Wrexham and you can polish a shit and all that. Huddersfield can and is a bigger club history wise and also in the main a bigger pull for many reasons. We also have the relegation thing, that we can spend 75% of said revenue, which Wrexham can't. Also Kev has said in his diaries that our revenues are increasing and we have people in place to ensure this carries on. Wrexham's fortune over the past few years, got them a promotion 2nd time around in the conference and a 2nd place finish in league 2. Addded one of their big signings last summer, was a centre half we gave them for free. Players such as Mullin have said in podcasts , that Wrexham do not pay the wages think they do.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 30, 2024 19:29:16 GMT 1
It doesn't matter if he's worth £100 million or £10 billion. There's rules in place that limit what he can put in. Wrexham have built a model off of the popularity of their owners which now generates good legitimate income. yes , but even given that , they are still Wrexham and you can polish a shit and all that. Huddersfield can and is a bigger club history wise and also in the main a bigger pull for many reasons. We also have the relegation thing, that we can spend 75% of said revenue, which Wrexham can't. Also Kev has said in his diaries that our revenues are increasing and we have people in place to ensure this carries on. Wrexham's fortune over the past few years, got them a promotion 2nd time around in the conference and a 2nd place finish in league 2. Addded one of their big signings last summer, was a centre half we gave them for free. Players such as Mullin have said in podcasts , that Wrexham do not pay the wages think they do. History does not dictate the future. We have been a bigger club than Bournemouth and Brentford for our entire history but we could only dream of being the clubs they are right now. Nothing to say Wrexham can't do similar to them
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Post by gowlinggoal on May 30, 2024 19:37:53 GMT 1
Showing ambition - but I think we're at the back of the queue
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Post by gowlinggoal on May 30, 2024 19:58:21 GMT 1
I'd expect that we will be more attractive to players as we'll be able to pay more in wages than most League 1 teams. But we're stuck with a lot of dead wood and are likely to want to reduce the wage bill by offloading 3 for every 2 we sign.
I also expect that the majority of our signings will be free agents released by Championship or lower end Premier league clubs (as indicated so far by the players we have been linked with). So I won't be disappointed if we're not splashing the cash in transfer fees.
The key to success is playing fewer different players (max 25 in the season) in a relatively settled team
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Post by tockyterrier on May 30, 2024 20:23:44 GMT 1
It is 60% for League 1 clubs, but 75% for relegated Championship clubs well there you go , our revenue should be higher, to allow us to compete with anyone ! Wrexham got some BIG sponsors and a TV deal. We don't, and we have much cheaper season tickets.
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Post by bells ringing :) on May 30, 2024 20:34:59 GMT 1
well there you go , our revenue should be higher, to allow us to compete with anyone ! Wrexham got some BIG sponsors and a TV deal. We don't, and we have much cheaper season tickets. well we best give up and not even try, we don't know the actual facts. Just wrexham talking it up. We signed two players for million plus quid in january, did Wrexham , therefore i think the funding/ what is needed is there to compete with any club at this level. As town fans we try and find excuses for the club not to be able to "compete" . Even if we were in the pub leagues, you would hear people say "well brighouse town" have this and that.
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 30, 2024 20:44:09 GMT 1
well there you go , our revenue should be higher, to allow us to compete with anyone ! Wrexham got some BIG sponsors and a TV deal. We don't, and we have much cheaper season tickets. We'll sell twice as many season cards as Wrexham, are theirs twice the price?
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Post by ldotm on May 30, 2024 20:51:30 GMT 1
Last years figures were reported at £10.4m revenue, ours was £18m. They were in the national league and we were in the championship. And you think they generated well over an additional £8m on top of the £10m last year? From where? The point was they “generate far more than us in revenue” with no proof at all. It’s nonsense.
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Post by ldotm on May 30, 2024 20:54:08 GMT 1
They were in the national league and we were in the championship. I bet their shirt sponsorship for the new season generates 5x what ours does Again, you’re speaking in “ifs and maybes”, you said they generate FAR more than us.
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Post by DuffMan on May 30, 2024 20:58:38 GMT 1
Wrexham got some BIG sponsors and a TV deal. We don't, and we have much cheaper season tickets. We'll sell twice as many season cards as Wrexham, are theirs twice the price? their prices were £374 for adults last year and they sold 7000 or something
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Post by Tiro on May 30, 2024 21:14:40 GMT 1
I bet their shirt sponsorship for the new season generates 5x what ours does Again, you’re speaking in “ifs and maybes”, you said they generate FAR more than us. Christ almighty. Just fucking Google it. All accounts are published online. “Wrexham say turnover jumped from £5.97m to £10.48m while still in non-league. According to Deloitte's most recent annual review of football finance, that was greater than the average League One club's revenue in 2022 (£9.2m). Similarly, Wrexham say their wage bill increased from £4.05m to £6.91m - with £6.8m being the League One average in 2022. Retail income rose from £1.303m in 2022 to £3.430m in 2023 while funds generated through sponsorship and advertising increased from £1.053m to £1.883m over the same period.“ (Via the their own website). As expected, Town’s revenue fell considerably in 2022/23: they turned over £18.1m compared with the previous year’s £31.4m. (For the same period). If we hadn’t have sold Toffs and LoB we’d have lost £13m. Our retail dropped to less than Wrexham. They grossed a third of our matchday revenue. Our sponsorship was three times that of Wrexham, bolstered by a trip to Wembley. So was our TV income. That was in the national league. It’s not difficult to work out that’s increased. Towns has reduced further. Having been near administration. Without TV deals, celebrity endorsement and big sponsors. It’s fair to assume they’re now comparable. If not greater. *2023/24 finances will not be available until next year.
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Post by Terriersmad on May 30, 2024 21:19:41 GMT 1
On Wrexham: they have been run as a League One club for some seasons now. They took advantage of the financial openness of the National League to build a team that could climb to League One very quickly. They signed players too good for non-league and paid League One wages, on the likes of Paul Mullin. In many ways, it’s a perfect model: act like you are it, and you’ll be it, albeit starting out without the limitations of financial fair play allowing very fast progress to be made. That being said, they have operated as a League One side and signed League One players. They’re now in League One. That team they built contains good players for this level, but is it a top side? This is their real acid test. They might come up trumps. I think they’re outside contenders for the play-offs. I don’t see them - and I could be wrong - as contenders for automatic promotion.
Town should be looking at a different class of player from Wrexham. We should be looking at - and be in a position to secure the services of - good Championship footballers, who can help us in the division above. Much like Wrexham in the last couple of years.
I say all this with a certain amount of admiration for Wrexham and their ownership. A club that really was on its uppers, a historic club down where it shouldn’t be, in a town that isn’t the most glamorous but is a proper working-class area. The ownership came in, all razzmatazz, and turned all that around, really bought in to the club and the area despite having no prior links, and restored pride and life to a dying club. They’ve not robbed the place of its identity, but built on it. It’s good to see them back in the league after so many years of struggle and don’t begrudge them their good times at all. About time the fans down there had something to really enjoy.
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