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Post by buxtonboys101 on Sept 10, 2024 12:58:37 GMT 1
Glass half full for me. He is desperately needed with so many unreliable strikers but if Healey and Bojan are factored in to be missing regularly what does that say? There is a huge opportunity art Town for a goal scorer if he is given chances or they are created for him. Maybe we will find out if the problem really was up front or in the middle of the park.
As for planning moving forward this is definitely a panic, get someone in move. Two year contract a bit odd too although if that was the price to pay and Town are desperate then so be it.
It does at least make Saturday more interesting.
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Post by Terriersmad on Sept 10, 2024 13:10:19 GMT 1
A 2-year contract is pretty standard unless a player has significant injury issues or is over 33/34. For a player who has played consistently over the past 6+ years at this level or above, it’s just what you put on the table. A 1-year contract would have been rejected out of hand.
Good to have a striker on board before the weekend. He’ll be in the squad and strengthens our options.
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Sept 10, 2024 13:42:03 GMT 1
In my younger days it felt really easy for Town to find prolific strikers we had a great run of Shearer, Maskell, Iwan, Boothy, Jeppo, Stewart, Payton. It all seemed to go wrong around the time of Chris Hay!
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Sept 10, 2024 14:00:45 GMT 1
No disrespect to the player (I hope he does really well) but the fact the club are still handing out two year contracts to 30 plus year old free agents just stinks that we aren't going to be improving anytime soon. Think a lot of people hoped for a new era under new ownership, yet another nail in the coffin to suggest this won't be the case. Most were clamoring for a 3 year deal for Alfie May, that came with an upfront fee of close to $1m. I was one of them. 2 year deal for a 31 year old is spot on in my eyes. If he does well this season, we get an asset, or he could get interest from another club which means we could get a fee. If gives him confidence and stability also. I'd be worried if was a 1 year deal as much as I would be worried if it was a 3 year deal. 2 year deal is spot on in my eyes. I know most of our strikers are crocked. But, if Ladapo does half decent, I can see it being the end of the road for some of our existing (currently crocked) strikers come January. I can fathom a guess of who, unless something miraculous happens, they get fit and perform out their skin.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Sept 10, 2024 14:15:30 GMT 1
Town gave been monitoring him all summer,by all accounts. Cartwrights favourite one liner. We might have been as a backup, who knows? Nobody on here but you wouldn’t know that by their expert, in the know, comments. Good luck Freddie, looking forward to seeing you in a Town shirt.
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Post by mosher on Sept 10, 2024 14:28:01 GMT 1
No disrespect to the player (I hope he does really well) but the fact the club are still handing out two year contracts to 30 plus year old free agents just stinks that we aren't going to be improving anytime soon. Think a lot of people hoped for a new era under new ownership, yet another nail in the coffin to suggest this won't be the case. No comment on Sir Neil** handing Danny Wardnock a similar contract? ** Just a reminder he's my favourite ever manager before I get accused of Warnock bashing.
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Post by crux on Sept 10, 2024 14:28:23 GMT 1
No disrespect to the player (I hope he does really well) but the fact the club are still handing out two year contracts to 30 plus year old free agents just stinks that we aren't going to be improving anytime soon. Think a lot of people hoped for a new era under new ownership, yet another nail in the coffin to suggest this won't be the case. Isn't that what Warnock did to Ward last season?
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Sept 10, 2024 14:40:50 GMT 1
No disrespect to the player (I hope he does really well) but the fact the club are still handing out two year contracts to 30 plus year old free agents just stinks that we aren't going to be improving anytime soon. Think a lot of people hoped for a new era under new ownership, yet another nail in the coffin to suggest this won't be the case. No comment on Sir Neil** handing Danny Wardnock a similar contract? ** Just a reminder he's my favourite ever manager before I get accused of Warnock bashing. Don't think we can really criticise Warnock in this scenario, he kept us up which was a miracle. He then had us out of the relegation zone when he was pushed out. Ward scored some big goals in our survival and always played well for Warnock, admittedly Warnock only thought he was staying for one year so yes the second year was clearly to appease Ward (so maybe can criticise that part) but also doubt he would have signed for a one year deal most players won't at that level and age.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Sept 10, 2024 14:45:42 GMT 1
No comment on Sir Neil** handing Danny Wardnock a similar contract? ** Just a reminder he's my favourite ever manager before I get accused of Warnock bashing. Don't think we can really criticise Warnock in this scenario, he kept us up which was a miracle. He then had us out of the relegation zone when he was pushed out. Ward scored some big goals in our survival and always played well for Warnock, admittedly Warnock only thought he was staying for one year so yes the second year was clearly to appease Ward (so maybe can criticise that part) but also doubt he would have signed for a one year deal most players won't at that level and age. 😂 you really can’t admit that NW made a mistake. Warnock made a mistake bud, you arguing it makes you look ridiculous.
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Post by mosher on Sept 10, 2024 14:46:21 GMT 1
No comment on Sir Neil** handing Danny Wardnock a similar contract? ** Just a reminder he's my favourite ever manager before I get accused of Warnock bashing. Don't think we can really criticise Warnock in this scenario, he kept us up which was a miracle. He then had us out of the relegation zone when he was pushed out. Ward scored some big goals in our survival and always played well for Warnock, admittedly Warnock only thought he was staying for one year so yes the second year was clearly to appease Ward (so maybe can criticise that part) but also doubt he would have signed for a one year deal most players won't at that level and age.Which is probably precisely why we've given Ladapo 2 years, so your original post is even more ridiculous. Edit: Oops, forgot the IMO at the end
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Post by mosher on Sept 10, 2024 14:48:58 GMT 1
Don't think we can really criticise Warnock in this scenario, he kept us up which was a miracle. He then had us out of the relegation zone when he was pushed out. Ward scored some big goals in our survival and always played well for Warnock, admittedly Warnock only thought he was staying for one year so yes the second year was clearly to appease Ward (so maybe can criticise that part) but also doubt he would have signed for a one year deal most players won't at that level and age. 😂 you really can’t admit that NW made a mistake. Warnock made a mistake bud, you arguing it makes you look ridiculous. When King Colin does it it's justifiable, but when others do it's a panic buy and a ridiculous decision
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Sept 10, 2024 15:17:04 GMT 1
😂 you really can’t admit that NW made a mistake. Warnock made a mistake bud, you arguing it makes you look ridiculous. When King Colin does it it's justifiable, but when others do it's a panic buy and a ridiculous decision Ward was a proven player for Warnock one he trusted and got results from (whether your opinion agrees with that is a different matter), didn't see you complaining when he scored against Sheff Utd to keep us up. As was Alfie May for Duff. Ladapo is a signing because we naffed up the summer spending months courting May and Taylor, couldn't get either over the line, therefore have gone for the desperate cheap option to paper over the cracks. You can call it a Warnock mistake all you want I really couldn't care less. The fact is Nagle gave Warnock a year extension then binned him after 3 months of that term because his ego got in the way. Which then bit us in the arse with relegation 6 months later.
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Post by mosher on Sept 10, 2024 15:25:53 GMT 1
When King Colin does it it's justifiable, but when others do it's a panic buy and a ridiculous decision God it really is dealing with the next level of thick with some posters on this forum. Ward was a proven player for Warnock one he trusted and got results from (whether your opinion agrees with that is a different matter), didn't see you complaining when he scored against Sheff Utd to keep us up. As was Alfie May for Duff. Ladapo is a signing because we naffed up the summer spending months courting May and Taylor, couldn't get either over the line, therefore have gone for the desperate cheap option to paper over the cracks. You can call it a Warnock mistake all you want I really couldn't care less. The fact is Nagle gave Warnock a year extension then binned him after 3 months of that term because his ego got in the way. Which then bit us in the arse with relegation 6 months later. No need for the personal insults just because we disagree. King Colin could have just given him a year extension if it was a case of him wanting him during his tenure, especially as NW knew he'd only be here a season** and no longer. The fact that he gave him a 2 year contract shows it was clearly a case of jobs for the boys IMO Of course I didn't complain when he scored the winner against Sheffield United, doesn't mean I'd give him a two year contract. But you're arguing that it's shit giving Ladapo a 2 year contract but it's entirely justifiable to give Danny Ward the same. Even though Ladapo's stats are FAR better than Ward's. God it really is dealing with the next level of thick with some posters on this forum. See we can all be dicks when someone doesn't agree. ** we all acknowledge it was a monumental cock-up getting shut so soon.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Sept 10, 2024 15:40:00 GMT 1
God it really is dealing with the next level of thick with some posters on this forum. Ward was a proven player for Warnock one he trusted and got results from (whether your opinion agrees with that is a different matter), didn't see you complaining when he scored against Sheff Utd to keep us up. As was Alfie May for Duff. Ladapo is a signing because we naffed up the summer spending months courting May and Taylor, couldn't get either over the line, therefore have gone for the desperate cheap option to paper over the cracks. You can call it a Warnock mistake all you want I really couldn't care less. The fact is Nagle gave Warnock a year extension then binned him after 3 months of that term because his ego got in the way. Which then bit us in the arse with relegation 6 months later. No need for the personal insults just because we disagree. King Colin could have just given him a year extension if it was a case of him wanting him during his tenure, especially as NW knew he'd only be here a season** and no longer. The fact that he gave him a 2 year contract shows it was clearly a case of jobs for the boys IMO Of course I didn't complain when he scored the winner against Sheffield United, doesn't mean I'd give him a two year contract. But you're arguing that it's shit giving Ladapo a 2 year contract but it's entirely justifiable to give Danny Ward the same. Even though Ladapo's stats are FAR better than Ward's. God it really is dealing with the next level of thick with some posters on this forum. See we can all be dicks when someone doesn't agree. ** we all acknowledge it was a monumental cock-up getting shut so soon. How are you even comparing a panic league one free transfer after failing to attract two players that we desperately wanted vs signing a striker who was proven for a manager who wanted to keep him? No I imagine most wouldn't have kept Ward at the time myself included but i trust Warnock's intuition considerably more than I do Cartwright and Nagle's. I said in my initial post its nothing to do with Ladapo, I hope he does really well. Its the nature of how the signing has come about. Its a panic buy because we failed miserably in the summer to deliver our top targets. For what its worth you can argue the same about Ruffels with Warnock, but again he got him playing in that period, he was excellent, so why wouldn't he bring him back (he also pretty much had no choice since it was clear KN didn't have a 'war chest' then either). I'd question those employing the director of football and managers since considerably more than Warnock.
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Post by mosher on Sept 10, 2024 15:53:59 GMT 1
No need for the personal insults just because we disagree. King Colin could have just given him a year extension if it was a case of him wanting him during his tenure, especially as NW knew he'd only be here a season** and no longer. The fact that he gave him a 2 year contract shows it was clearly a case of jobs for the boys IMO Of course I didn't complain when he scored the winner against Sheffield United, doesn't mean I'd give him a two year contract. But you're arguing that it's shit giving Ladapo a 2 year contract but it's entirely justifiable to give Danny Ward the same. Even though Ladapo's stats are FAR better than Ward's. God it really is dealing with the next level of thick with some posters on this forum. See we can all be dicks when someone doesn't agree. ** we all acknowledge it was a monumental cock-up getting shut so soon. How are you even comparing a panic league one free transfer after failing to attract two players that we desperately wanted vs signing a striker who was proven for a manager who wanted to keep him? No I imagine most wouldn't have kept Ward at the time myself included but i trust Warnock's intuition considerably more than I do Cartwright and Nagle's. I said in my initial post its nothing to do with Ladapo, I hope he does really well. Its the nature of how the signing has come about. Its a panic buy because we failed miserably in the summer to deliver our top targets. For what its worth you can argue the same about Ruffels with Warnock, but again he got him playing in that period, he was excellent, so why wouldn't he bring him back (he also pretty much had no choice since it was clear KN didn't have a 'war chest' then either). I'd question those employing the director of football and managers since considerably more than Warnock. I was only comparing them because you said it was shit (paraphrasing obviously) to give him a two year deal when over 30, but then said it was fine to give Ward a two year deal, even though he's also over 30. I was just pointing out that it was the same kind of deal. For the record I'd trust King Colin over Cartwright 100% of the time too, but that doesn't change the fact they're both 30+ strikers, only Ward has much shitter stats How do we know Duff doesn't trust Ladapo on others' advice (hopefully not Cartwright's, granted ) and has told the hierarchy to go and get him. Don't forget he's only been released just over a week ago. Before he was released maybe his wages were too much for us to entertain? Who knows, maybe it wasn't even a "panic buy" if that's the case and as soon as we heard his contract had been terminated we started negotiations? None of us (besides dirtyoldtown and Maynard obviously) really know. We're probably mainly in agreement about King Colin, I just don't see how you CAN'T compare the deals to each other.
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Post by keefer on Sept 10, 2024 16:20:00 GMT 1
A lot of people either haven't realised or they are disregarding the fact that Town did everything they sensibly could to sign those 2 strikers in the transfer window. As I see it they could have done no more than they did. Birmingham offered outrageous terms and Luton pissed us about. If those were the only 2 preferred targets then how is it the fault of Nagle, Cartwright or the club. We can't just click our fingers and make players sign, and for what it's worth, I think the latest signing is a decent move
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Sept 10, 2024 16:54:13 GMT 1
I think Ladapo is as good a signing as we could expect to make at this point in the season.
Good luck son.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Sept 10, 2024 18:03:01 GMT 1
I think Ladapo is as good a signing as we could expect to make at this point in the season. Good luck son. He seems a bit of a goal poacher type, upto us now to make chances for him . He might bring somethng more to Marshall's game.
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Post by alanalanleeee on Sept 10, 2024 19:36:16 GMT 1
Ladapo is a great signing. 2 years makes sense, he’s been brought in to score goals, if he does that then that’s a great energy to take into the championship or another promotion push.
Seems a fan favourite everywhere but Charlton (shit club anyway)
Leave your negativity at the door. Excited to see how he gets on!
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Post by Wingman on Sept 10, 2024 20:29:20 GMT 1
Ladapo is a great signing. 2 years makes sense, he’s been brought in to score goals, if he does that then that’s a great energy to take into the championship or another promotion push. Seems a fan favourite everywhere but Charlton (shit club anyway) Leave your negativity at the door. Excited to see how he gets on! UTFT Let's not forget, he's had three promotions from this league. Miller has had two. So there is some winning experience now building in the team. Plus, if we do go up, Lapado might be a decent option in the Championship, maybe back-up and if we don't, he still has a year to lead the line and pass on experience to any young lads we have in the pipeline.
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 10, 2024 20:55:21 GMT 1
I wouldn't go as far as to say a great signing. But it's not a bad one and I can see him fitting in well here.
Thing is, he doesn't need to be great. Just better than what we have is plenty.
Is he better than Koroma? Based on current form, no - but we all know JK has his issues with consistency.
Is he better than Marshall? No, but we have to manage Marshall's minutes & he'll need to be used sparingly.
Is he better than Ward? Just being available to play is enough there.
Is he better than Healey? See answer to Ward.
Is he better than Bojan? Unless Bojan has spent the summer eating steak, pumping iron and sharpening his elbows he'd get bullied in children's football.
If Duff wants to start with 2 up front then replace with another two against tired defences later in the game then that takes 4 strikers even if they're all available. We have 6, and the likelihood of 4 of those being available all the time seems remote.
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 10, 2024 22:26:45 GMT 1
Apparently I’m wrong for suggesting that “we are back to last years mistakes “?
All summer to sign a striker - fail.
Pearson and Ward getting sent off for avoidable offences - fail.
Ruffles - fail
Ward - fail
Team dropping so deep and an inability to make a 5yd pass - fail
Sorry Kev but you clearly believe Cartwrights BS.
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Post by mosher on Sept 11, 2024 7:14:02 GMT 1
Apparently I’m wrong for suggesting that “we are back to last years mistakes “? All summer to sign a striker - fail. Pearson and Ward getting sent off for avoidable offences - fail. Ruffles - fail Ward - fail Team dropping so deep and an inability to make a 5yd pass - fail Sorry Kev but you clearly believe Cartwrights BS. Didn’t take too long for your recent positivity to melt away dunc 😂 Not a dig btw
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 11, 2024 7:42:14 GMT 1
Apparently I’m wrong for suggesting that “we are back to last years mistakes “? All summer to sign a striker - fail. Pearson and Ward getting sent off for avoidable offences - fail. Ruffles - fail Ward - fail Team dropping so deep and an inability to make a 5yd pass - fail Sorry Kev but you clearly believe Cartwrights BS. Didn’t take too long for your recent positivity to melt away dunc 😂 Not a dig btw Ha ha. I know. That’s Town I guess - just when you think we are going forward we shoot ourselves in the foot….
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 11, 2024 9:02:40 GMT 1
All summer to sign a striker - fail. What positions do Marshall and Ladapo play?
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Sept 11, 2024 9:16:09 GMT 1
From his videos he clearly has that strikers knack of being able to know where the goal is and make something happen.
A few bits where he may not look that comfortable moving with the ball at his feet but it's hard to tell from the videos as they dont show much close control.
What is really really good to see though. Is how calm he looks. Almost to the point of arrogant.
He just looks so comfortable taking that ball and shot. Some of those goals he had no right to score, he was creative and calmly got his shot away when most others would panic or be pressured off the ball.
That is what we need.
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Post by ram on Sept 11, 2024 10:42:18 GMT 1
One of Cartwrights better moments signing Freddie.I mentioned FD when he was at Rotherham ,and got laughed at. Put the ball to his head or feet and he will score! Over now to our wingbacks and midfield to provide this.Feeling a bit more optimistic now.
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Post by twyford on Sept 11, 2024 14:01:14 GMT 1
1st choice May - 20+ goals in Lg1 last season 2nd choice Taylor - 12(?) goals in Lg1 in second half of last season (+ 10 in Lg2 in the first half of last season).
Ladapo - 17 goals in Lg1 season before last. He was registered with Ipswich right up until the end of the transfer window and they were obviously hoping to get a fee for him but then terminated his contract by mutual consent rather than pay his full wages for this season when he wasn't going to feature.
As far as plan Cs go then as a proven goalscorer in this league I think we could (and have) done a lot worse.
Cartwright mentioning he was being tracked could well be BS but could also be true - if Luton had backed out earlier re Taylor then we may have been in for him anyway and paid a fee for the privilege. Financially therefore this way has worked out beneficially, though we could have done with the extra resource at Rotherham and Doncaster.
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Post by rockwall on Sept 11, 2024 20:06:25 GMT 1
Apparently I’m wrong for suggesting that “we are back to last years mistakes “? All summer to sign a striker - fail. Pearson and Ward getting sent off for avoidable offences - fail. Ruffles - fail Ward - fail Team dropping so deep and an inability to make a 5yd pass - fail Sorry Kev but you clearly believe Cartwrights BS. We signed a striker.
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Post by kwami-hodouto on Sept 15, 2024 8:01:03 GMT 1
Looks like Nixon has something to say about us and Taylor...
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