|
|
Post by kwami-hodouto on Jun 6, 2024 8:48:18 GMT 1
Finally released by Fulham.
Two appearances in four years for them.
The club made a lot of terrible transfer decisions during our Prem years, but getting £17 million for this guy was incredible business.
|
|
|
|
Post by benhomly on Jun 6, 2024 8:51:19 GMT 1
Finally released by Fulham. Two appearances in four years for them. The club made a lot of terrible transfer decisions during our Prem years, but getting £17 million for this guy was incredible business. Thought that was what we paid for him? |
|
|
|
Post by kwami-hodouto on Jun 6, 2024 8:56:28 GMT 1
Finally released by Fulham. Two appearances in four years for them. The club made a lot of terrible transfer decisions during our Prem years, but getting £17 million for this guy was incredible business. Thought that was what we paid for him? Sorry, yes you are correct. I misread some Fulham fans discussing him on Twitter. They paid £4 million. I instantly take back any praise I gave the club for this. |
|
|
|
Post by kwami-hodouto on Jun 6, 2024 8:58:00 GMT 1
Thought that was what we paid for him? Sorry, yes you are correct. I misread some Fulham fans discussing him on Twitter. They paid £4 million. I instantly take back any praise I gave the club for this. It will never not annoy me that we spent so much money on a defender when we were crying out for someone to score goals. |
|
|
|
Post by htafcokay on Jun 6, 2024 9:11:16 GMT 1
Thought that was what we paid for him? Sorry, yes you are correct. I misread some Fulham fans discussing him on Twitter. They paid £4 million. I instantly take back any praise I gave the club for this. From what they said at the time, the deal saw Fulham pay off whatever we owed Monaco for Kongolo. Funny though, I don't remember many rumblings at the time of his signing. |
|
|
|
Post by HuddsTerrier on Jun 6, 2024 9:12:19 GMT 1
Thought that was what we paid for him? Sorry, yes you are correct. I misread some Fulham fans discussing him on Twitter. They paid £4 million. I instantly take back any praise I gave the club for this. Actually I think PH did very well getting £4m back for him and two appearances for Fulham show that! PH also did a great deal on Mooy - got him to sign a new deal so we got a fee. Drove a good price on Billing and a outstanding price on Grant If unsold Kongolo would likely to have also gone on a free like Pritchard (£11m) Mbenza (13m Euros) and Diakhaby (£10m) who all seemed happy to run down there lucrative contracts. Add in Sabiri (£1.8m) who also was released and the waste of the Premier League money was insane. That's close to £35m spent and £0 back. Then add the £13m net loss of Kongolo to that. Agent fees and the rest we must have lost £50m plus on them ... before wages. For that we could have bought the Stadium, properly upgraded Canalside and given Hoyle a massive chunk of his money back as well - or had a transfer kitty of £15m ish to try and bounce back You never get all transfers right but to get all your big money/ marque deals so badly wrong is quite the achievement |
|
|
|
Post by huddshroom on Jun 6, 2024 9:16:31 GMT 1
Sorry, yes you are correct. I misread some Fulham fans discussing him on Twitter. They paid £4 million. I instantly take back any praise I gave the club for this. From what they said at the time, the deal saw Fulham pay off whatever we owed Monaco for Kongolo. Funny though, I don't remember many rumblings at the time of his signing. He looked class in his loan spell and was getting called up to Dutch national team at the time |
|
|
|
Post by htafcokay on Jun 6, 2024 9:24:34 GMT 1
From what they said at the time, the deal saw Fulham pay off whatever we owed Monaco for Kongolo. Funny though, I don't remember many rumblings at the time of his signing. He looked class in his loan spell and was getting called up to Dutch national team at the time Class is pushing it a bit, but yeah he did well in his loan spell. |
|
|
|
Post by htafcokay on Jun 6, 2024 9:26:13 GMT 1
Sorry, yes you are correct. I misread some Fulham fans discussing him on Twitter. They paid £4 million. I instantly take back any praise I gave the club for this. Actually I think PH did very well getting £4m back for him and two appearances for Fulham show that! PH also did a great deal on Mooy - got him to sign a new deal so we got a fee. Drove a good price on Billing and a outstanding price on Grant If unsold Kongolo would likely to have also gone on a free like Pritchard (£11m) Mbenza (13m Euros) and Diakhaby (£10m) who all seemed happy to run down there lucrative contracts. Add in Sabiri (£1.8m) who also was released and the waste of the Premier League money was insane. That's close to £35m spent and £0 back. Then add the £13m net loss of Kongolo to that. Agent fees and the rest we must have lost £50m plus on them ... before wages. For that we could have bought the Stadium, properly upgraded Canalside and given Hoyle a massive chunk of his money back as well - or had a transfer kitty of £15m ish to try and bounce back You never get all transfers right but to get all your big money/ marque deals so badly wrong is quite the achievement Which blows this "Hoyle never invested" theory out of the water. |
|
|
|
Post by Terriersmad on Jun 6, 2024 9:35:37 GMT 1
He looked class in his loan spell and was getting called up to Dutch national team at the time Class is pushing it a bit, but yeah he did well in his loan spell. I don't think it is pushing it to be honest. We were leaking goals and Kongolo came in and stopped that. He read the game well, had telescopic legs that seemed to pluck the ball from nowhere, battled well (ask Scott McTominay), and was generally a class above what we had. And what we had was decent. No, the problem with Kongolo was what took place in front of him. Ditto the rest of the defence. We were solid in that one area. But we had, Aaron Mooy aside, very limited quality in midfield and attack. No point limiting the opposition to one goal a game if you can't score yourselves. Not the defence's fault we made such a pig's ear of recruitment in forward areas. |
|
|
|
Post by colnevalleyblue on Jun 6, 2024 9:38:23 GMT 1
Mind might be playing tricks on me but I thought he was one that still did well in the abysmal second season in the premier league. He had the makings of a player that looked destined to play in top level European leagues for a long time. Can't remember many questioning the price tag of £17 million at the time, I thought it was good business for Town and we'd at least get our money back if not make a tidy profit on him. Sadly wasn't to be and once we were in the championship he was poor and then went missing. Don't know if it was injuries or something happened in his personal life but it's alot of unfulfilled potential.
|
|
|
|
Post by foxtrot666 on Jun 6, 2024 9:39:54 GMT 1
According to wiki he's only played 99 games since he joined Monaco in 2017/18, 56 of those for us. He has 4 full international caps, I can only think the Dutch had serious injury problems at the time, he's just another below average player who will have become be a multi millionaire due to crazy spending in the premier league, the money we wasted on shit like him is heart breaking .
|
|
goodbet
Jimmy Glazzard Terrier
Posts: 4,604
|
Post by goodbet on Jun 6, 2024 9:57:04 GMT 1
Actually I think PH did very well getting £4m back for him and two appearances for Fulham show that! PH also did a great deal on Mooy - got him to sign a new deal so we got a fee. Drove a good price on Billing and a outstanding price on Grant If unsold Kongolo would likely to have also gone on a free like Pritchard (£11m) Mbenza (13m Euros) and Diakhaby (£10m) who all seemed happy to run down there lucrative contracts. Add in Sabiri (£1.8m) who also was released and the waste of the Premier League money was insane. That's close to £35m spent and £0 back. Then add the £13m net loss of Kongolo to that. Agent fees and the rest we must have lost £50m plus on them ... before wages. For that we could have bought the Stadium, properly upgraded Canalside and given Hoyle a massive chunk of his money back as well - or had a transfer kitty of £15m ish to try and bounce back You never get all transfers right but to get all your big money/ marque deals so badly wrong is quite the achievement Which blows this "Hoyle never invested" theory out of the water. I have never heard that one before. It could only have come from someone who started to follow Town after relegation from the Premier League. |
|
|
|
Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 6, 2024 10:01:31 GMT 1
Up against some world class players he was excellent in his loan spell.
Hence, in the days when virtually every player had a song, his was “You’ll never beat Kongolo”
Based on this, I don’t recall many, complaining that we signed him.
Although, £17m just shows how crazy things become when you reach the PL.
|
|
goodbet
Jimmy Glazzard Terrier
Posts: 4,604
|
Post by goodbet on Jun 6, 2024 10:04:47 GMT 1
Mind might be playing tricks on me but I thought he was one that still did well in the abysmal second season in the premier league. He had the makings of a player that looked destined to play in top level European leagues for a long time. Can't remember many questioning the price tag of £17 million at the time, I thought it was good business for Town and we'd at least get our money back if not make a tidy profit on him. Sadly wasn't to be and once we were in the championship he was poor and then went missing. Don't know if it was injuries or something happened in his personal life but it's alot of unfulfilled potential. I remember everyone was happy that we signed him after doing well for us. For me it was the price we paid for a full back that shocked me. I think he was the first or one of the first players that we signed after promotion and I thought if that is what we are paying for a fullback what are we going to spend on a striker? |
|
|
|
Post by SacTown on Jun 6, 2024 10:08:36 GMT 1
From what they said at the time, the deal saw Fulham pay off whatever we owed Monaco for Kongolo. Funny though, I don't remember many rumblings at the time of his signing. He looked class in his loan spell and was getting called up to Dutch national team at the time Cowleys have a lot to answer for in his downing tools and subsequent loss of value. He wasn't acting the tw@t under Siewert. When you've played for top coaches such as Van Gaal, you can somewhat understand why he fell out with a pair of PE teachers telling him what to do. |
|
|
|
Post by HuddsTerrier on Jun 6, 2024 10:08:49 GMT 1
Actually I think PH did very well getting £4m back for him and two appearances for Fulham show that! PH also did a great deal on Mooy - got him to sign a new deal so we got a fee. Drove a good price on Billing and a outstanding price on Grant If unsold Kongolo would likely to have also gone on a free like Pritchard (£11m) Mbenza (13m Euros) and Diakhaby (£10m) who all seemed happy to run down there lucrative contracts. Add in Sabiri (£1.8m) who also was released and the waste of the Premier League money was insane. That's close to £35m spent and £0 back. Then add the £13m net loss of Kongolo to that. Agent fees and the rest we must have lost £50m plus on them ... before wages. For that we could have bought the Stadium, properly upgraded Canalside and given Hoyle a massive chunk of his money back as well - or had a transfer kitty of £15m ish to try and bounce back You never get all transfers right but to get all your big money/ marque deals so badly wrong is quite the achievement Which blows this "Hoyle never invested" theory out of the water. It's pretty obvious he wrote off millions. No one really knows how much the final tab was but in my view no way did DH make money from Town |
|
|
|
Post by portugalterrier on Jun 6, 2024 10:11:53 GMT 1
According to wiki he's only played 99 games since he joined Monaco in 2017/18, 56 of those for us. He has 4 full international caps, I can only think the Dutch had serious injury problems at the time, he's just another below average player who will have become be a multi millionaire due to crazy spending in the premier league, the money we wasted on shit like him is heart breaking . Think you will find quite a lot of his money was spent on his almost nightly visits to the flesh pots of Manchester, wine , women and gambling comes to mind, from what I was told by a guy who used to drive for him and was trying to obtain about £20000 he was owed. |
|
goodbet
Jimmy Glazzard Terrier
Posts: 4,604
|
Post by goodbet on Jun 6, 2024 10:22:52 GMT 1
Which blows this "Hoyle never invested" theory out of the water. It's pretty obvious he wrote off millions. No one really knows how much the final tab was but in my view no way did DH make money from Town If Town was a standard company and it invested it's money in equipment that did not work and had to be scrapped, the owner would not get his money back. Essentially that is what happened when we were promoted. Again I don't recall hearing of anyone who thought that DH made money from Town. I would suggest that to make money in football you have to take a lower league club up to the Premiership and then sell before you are relegated. Not take a club back down and to the door of the third tier before you got what you could from them. |
|
|
|
Post by leroy212 on Jun 6, 2024 10:25:03 GMT 1
Was it Bristol city away he played and left back and it was one of the worst performances I've ever seen
|
|
|
|
Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jun 6, 2024 10:26:25 GMT 1
Actually I think PH did very well getting £4m back for him and two appearances for Fulham show that! PH also did a great deal on Mooy - got him to sign a new deal so we got a fee. Drove a good price on Billing and a outstanding price on Grant If unsold Kongolo would likely to have also gone on a free like Pritchard (£11m) Mbenza (13m Euros) and Diakhaby (£10m) who all seemed happy to run down there lucrative contracts. Add in Sabiri (£1.8m) who also was released and the waste of the Premier League money was insane. That's close to £35m spent and £0 back. Then add the £13m net loss of Kongolo to that. Agent fees and the rest we must have lost £50m plus on them ... before wages. For that we could have bought the Stadium, properly upgraded Canalside and given Hoyle a massive chunk of his money back as well - or had a transfer kitty of £15m ish to try and bounce back You never get all transfers right but to get all your big money/ marque deals so badly wrong is quite the achievement Which blows this "Hoyle never invested" theory out of the water. Not sure anyone has ever said that. Invested badly? Yes. Taken back money he said he never expected back? Yes. Sullied his own legacy with his attitude to the club and fans in recent years? Yes. |
|
|
|
Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jun 6, 2024 10:28:29 GMT 1
TK was superb at times on loan. After we signed him permanently I remember thinking he'd play one more season for us and be sold for a tidy profit. shows what I know. Sweet FA. (I also thought Dwayne Mattis looked great in his first few games, that Brahima Diarra was a total baller and that somewhere within Isaac Mbenza there was a real player)
|
|
ben1987
Mental Health Support Group
Posts: 7,241
|
Post by ben1987 on Jun 6, 2024 10:30:53 GMT 1
Unfortunately, a signing the club made without any consideration for his character. A bad influence on young players, a terrible reputation off the field which got worse the longer he was at town.
A big shame, at the time of signing him, it made sense. Without doubt, an example the club should learn from.
|
|
goodbet
Jimmy Glazzard Terrier
Posts: 4,604
|
Post by goodbet on Jun 6, 2024 10:31:13 GMT 1
TK was superb at times on loan. After we signed him permanently I remember thinking he'd play one more season for us and be sold for a tidy profit. shows what I know. Sweet FA. (I also thought Dwayne Mattis looked great in his first few games, that Brahima Diarra was a total baller and that somewhere within Isaac Mbenza there was a real player) I bet you think that you are funny as well  |
|
ben1987
Mental Health Support Group
Posts: 7,241
|
Post by ben1987 on Jun 6, 2024 10:35:09 GMT 1
According to wiki he's only played 99 games since he joined Monaco in 2017/18, 56 of those for us. He has 4 full international caps, I can only think the Dutch had serious injury problems at the time, he's just another below average player who will have become be a multi millionaire due to crazy spending in the premier league, the money we wasted on shit like him is heart breaking . Think you will find quite a lot of his money was spent on his almost nightly visits to the flesh pots of Manchester, wine , women and gambling comes to mind, from what I was told by a guy who used to drive for him and was trying to obtain about £20000 he was owed. His nickname amongst the town players was ‘the pimp’. Tells you all you need to know. |
|
|
|
Post by htafcokay on Jun 6, 2024 10:36:36 GMT 1
Was it Bristol city away he played and left back and it was one of the worst performances I've ever seen Danny Cowley said he'd been "murdered" down that side. |
|
|
|
Post by themanfromatlantis on Jun 6, 2024 10:45:52 GMT 1
According to wiki he's only played 99 games since he joined Monaco in 2017/18, 56 of those for us. He has 4 full international caps, I can only think the Dutch had serious injury problems at the time, he's just another below average player who will have become be a multi millionaire due to crazy spending in the premier league, the money we wasted on shit like him is heart breaking . Think you will find quite a lot of his money was spent on his almost nightly visits to the flesh pots of Manchester, wine , women and gambling comes to mind, from what I was told by a guy who used to drive for him and was trying to obtain about £20000 he was owed. Whatever he spent it on, it still highlights the madness of modern football. I’d love to know how many players have been taking sizeable pay cheques for being squad members, being injured, and generally not having to worry too much about being picked for the team. I bet there are shed loads of them nowadays. You can’t blame the players. If someone offered me £30k a week to effectively come in for half a day training for a few days, then go and sit in a corner for the rest of the time I’d take it. There are probably very few players nowadays who would decide that a move for half the pay, but to play regularly was a good decision. The mind still boggles at the sums of money that some very ordinary players earn. |
|
|
|
Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jun 6, 2024 10:48:25 GMT 1
TK was superb at times on loan. After we signed him permanently I remember thinking he'd play one more season for us and be sold for a tidy profit. shows what I know. Sweet FA. (I also thought Dwayne Mattis looked great in his first few games, that Brahima Diarra was a total baller and that somewhere within Isaac Mbenza there was a real player) I bet you think that you are funny as well not especially, but the paying public don't seem to mind. |
|
|
|
Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jun 6, 2024 10:48:53 GMT 1
I bet you think that you are funny as well not especially, but the paying public don't seem to mind. (you can't trust them though, they voted for the nazis and like coldplay) |
|
|
|
Post by Waterloo Terrier on Jun 6, 2024 10:53:30 GMT 1
Was it Bristol city away he played and left back and it was one of the worst performances I've ever seen Wasn’t even the only game. Went to watch him at PNE and he was garbage, couldn’t be arsed. They couldn’t believe we’d paid £17m for him, shows how some players only want to play Premier League football. |
|
