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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 24, 2024 10:02:29 GMT 1
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jul 24, 2024 10:46:21 GMT 1
It's just all a bit rich, isn't it? Didn't spurs have a friendly the week after the season ended, in Australia? Is that FIFA's fault?
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Post by rockwall on Jul 24, 2024 10:57:39 GMT 1
It's just all a bit rich, isn't it? Didn't spurs have a friendly the week after the season ended, in Australia? Is that FIFA's fault? Yes Spurs V Newcastle in Australia, 4 days after the final league game. |
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Post by westislandterrier on Jul 24, 2024 11:10:53 GMT 1
Don’t know about FIFA bit if you wanna see a country maul itself to death regarding football then look no further that the country of ma birth and residence - SCOTLAND - 🏴 ⚽️ 🥊 🥊 ⚽️ 🏴 -
Constantly at war about something or other - and it ain’t just solely regarding Celtic or Rangers either...
Probably there’s more stability in The Footy world in Palestine and Israel than there bloody well is up here ! 😉
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 24, 2024 11:22:10 GMT 1
Man Utd making 250 staff redundant. If they are all on 25k a year, thats the equivalent of one player on 120k a week.
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Post by mosher on Jul 24, 2024 12:33:02 GMT 1
I was going to post about that too. Why don't they sue their own CEOs (or whoever) for arranging a friendly in Australia less than a week after the season ended like Spurs & Toon. Or Wrexham having a tour of the US or any of the others that go on lengthy trips around the world, and if Town's manager/chairman complained about fixture congestion I'd say the same. Complete hypocrisy IMO |
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Post by arry11 on Jul 24, 2024 13:10:34 GMT 1
I was going to post about that too. Why don't they sue their own CEOs (or whoever) for arranging a friendly in Australia less than a week after the season ended like Spurs & Toon. Or Wrexham having a tour of the US or any of the others that go on lengthy trips around the world, and if Town's manager/chairman complained about fixture congestion I'd say the same. Complete hypocrisy IMO Completely agree with you clubs should be accountable for the welfare of the players absolutely gets my goat when they moan especially when they hoard so many players. But i do think it's to much on the actual players they do need protecting and given a decent break both physically and mentally |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 24, 2024 13:18:44 GMT 1
I was going to post about that too. Why don't they sue their own CEOs (or whoever) for arranging a friendly in Australia less than a week after the season ended like Spurs & Toon. Or Wrexham having a tour of the US or any of the others that go on lengthy trips around the world, and if Town's manager/chairman complained about fixture congestion I'd say the same. Complete hypocrisy IMO Completely agree with you clubs should be accountable for the welfare of the players absolutely gets my goat when they moan especially when they hoard so many players. Hang on minute, what about welfare of the bloody FANS?!! Matches rearranged at zero notice, kick off whenever they choose, any day of the week! What about US?!! |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 24, 2024 13:19:08 GMT 1
Not often I agree with FIFA but it's the exact reason I don't want a winter "break" in England, big clubs will just jet off to be paid for a friendly miles away.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 24, 2024 13:34:42 GMT 1
Man Utd making 250 staff redundant. If they are all on 25k a year, thats the equivalent of one player on 120k a week. Not relevant though. More likely about efficiency of the business. |
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Post by utttrooper on Jul 24, 2024 14:16:31 GMT 1
You never see smaller clubs whining about too many fixtures.
Yet EFL clubs play 8 more league games, we have the Pizza Trophy, we come into cups earlier, mostly making up for teams that progress further, we have the playoffs and have smaller squads and less decent academy graduates to call upon to call upon.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 24, 2024 14:31:05 GMT 1
You never see smaller clubs whining about too many fixtures. Yet EFL clubs play 8 more league games, we have the Pizza Trophy, we come into cups earlier, mostly making up for teams that progress further, we have the playoffs and have smaller squads and less decent academy graduates to call upon to call upon. Football below the first 20 places doesn’t count in England… The PL is a fucking poison on the game, they’ve been in bed with FIFA and UEFA for years, but all of a sudden there’s a rift. |
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Post by westislandterrier on Jul 25, 2024 12:27:45 GMT 1
You never see smaller clubs whining about too many fixtures. Yet EFL clubs play 8 more league games, we have the Pizza Trophy, we come into cups earlier, mostly making up for teams that progress further, we have the playoffs and have smaller squads and less decent academy graduates to call upon to call upon. Football below the first 20 places doesn’t count in England… The PL is a fucking poison on the game, they’ve been in bed with FIFA and UEFA for years, but all of a sudden there’s a rift. Great post themanfromatlantis ! Well like most SANE footy fans I’m of the opinion that Football below the first 20 places actually DOES count in England - It’s where it actually gets very good indeed, though I very much like and agree with the sarcasm of you’re first line for sure... 👍 I’d rather watch The Vauxhall Conferance than that bloody Premier League lot... (Unless HTAFC are there of course) ! 😉 |
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Post by utttrooper on Jul 25, 2024 12:35:46 GMT 1
Football below the first 20 places doesn’t count in England… The PL is a fucking poison on the game, they’ve been in bed with FIFA and UEFA for years, but all of a sudden there’s a rift. Great post themanfromatlantis ! Well like most SANE footy fans I’m of the opinion that Football below the first 20 places does count in England - It’s where it actually gets very good indeed, though I very much like and agree with the sarcasm of you’re first line for sure... 👍 I’d rather watch The Vauxhall Conferance than that bloody Premier League lot... (Unless HTAFC are there of course) ! 😉 The Prem can often be boring, especially compared to the EFL, and repetitive season upon season. When do you ever see a team winning league 2, four seasons in a row like Citeh just have. |
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Post by Orinoco on Jul 25, 2024 12:43:25 GMT 1
You never see smaller clubs whining about too many fixtures. Yet EFL clubs play 8 more league games, we have the Pizza Trophy, we come into cups earlier, mostly making up for teams that progress further, we have the playoffs and have smaller squads and less decent academy graduates to call upon to call upon. Football below the first 20 places doesn’t count in England… The PL is a fucking poison on the game, they’ve been in bed with FIFA and UEFA for years, but all of a sudden there’s a rift. Great post and so very true☝ |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 29, 2024 18:49:35 GMT 1
Just seen the Champions League draw.
What a joke it’s become.
I know those clubs will make some serious coin but if ever there was a European Super League without having a European Super League…..
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Aug 29, 2024 19:49:55 GMT 1
Football is not the game it use to be and while some things have improved like new stadiums and far less crowd trouble and some of the best players in the world, the way the game is going is worrying. The top six in English football you can not touch them so where does the game from here and while clubs like Brighton and Brentford have done really well, in reality most promoted clubs to the Premiership struggle and that is the way it will continue, how can that be good for the game.
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Post by willo on Aug 29, 2024 20:54:52 GMT 1
Football is not the game it use to be and while some things have improved like new stadiums and far less crowd trouble and some of the best players in the world, the way the game is going is worrying. The top six in English football you can not touch them so where does the game from here and while clubs like Brighton and Brentford have done really well, in reality most promoted clubs to the Premiership struggle and that is the way it will continue, how can that be good for the game. Spot on with everything there and why I think the halcyon days of the PL are way behind us now. Can’t remember the last time I sat down and watched a live Premier League game from start to finish never mind MOTD. It’s just all so predictable. |
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Post by softboy on Aug 29, 2024 21:19:38 GMT 1
to be honest I might listen to PL games on the radio if im out in the car or doing jobs at home. Cannot remember the last time I watched Match Of The Day. If you look at some of the attendances in the EFL and National League the more PL footy is on the telly the more people are attending their local team, I think a large number of people, particularly those with kids cannot afford to watch top flight football but as the kids are into football they have started to support their local team.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 29, 2024 23:09:33 GMT 1
to be honest I might listen to PL games on the radio if im out in the car or doing jobs at home. Cannot remember the last time I watched Match Of The Day. If you look at some of the attendances in the EFL and National League the more PL footy is on the telly the more people are attending their local team, I think a large number of people, particularly those with kids cannot afford to watch top flight football but as the kids are into football they have started to support their local team. True and if they want to watch live football , they have to watch in the EFL because they simply cant get in at a PL club. Its not without its faults, but the PL is such a huge success theres been a really beneficial knock on effect all the way down through the EFL, where interest and crowds have never been higher. |
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Post by shawsie on Aug 29, 2024 23:58:48 GMT 1
to be honest I might listen to PL games on the radio if im out in the car or doing jobs at home. Cannot remember the last time I watched Match Of The Day. If you look at some of the attendances in the EFL and National League the more PL footy is on the telly the more people are attending their local team, I think a large number of people, particularly those with kids cannot afford to watch top flight football but as the kids are into football they have started to support their local team. True and if they want to watch live football , they have to watch in the EFL because they simply cant get in at a PL club. Its not without its faults, but the PL is such a huge success theres been a really beneficial knock on effect all the way down through the EFL, where interest and crowds have never been higher. Whilst I don’t disagree, it’s kind of ironic that the one PL trait that’s made it the best - it’s competitive nature is being eroded so it’s becoming a league where the elite 2 or 3 dominate like most of the others around Europe. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 30, 2024 0:19:43 GMT 1
True and if they want to watch live football , they have to watch in the EFL because they simply cant get in at a PL club. Its not without its faults, but the PL is such a huge success theres been a really beneficial knock on effect all the way down through the EFL, where interest and crowds have never been higher. Whilst I don’t disagree, it’s kind of ironic that the one PL trait that’s made it the best - it’s competitive nature is being eroded so it’s becoming a league where the elite 2 or 3 dominate like most of the others around Europe. Thats not a new thing though. Man Utd and Arsenal used to dominate..then it was Man Utd and Chelsea ..now its Man City, Arsenal and Liverpool, though city are obviously the dominant one there. It's a cyclical thing. The PL has grown and grown through all that lack of competitiveness where at any time theres only really been 2 or maybe at best 3 clubs who were genuine challengers. Liverpool have won the title once in the last 34 years..its 11 seasons since Man Utd won it...20 since Arsenal did and over 60 years since Spurs did. Newcastle last won it the year after Town last did!! So its not like the title has been shared about much even amongst the big clubs who 'could' win it...yet the PL still grows and grows. I do agree that Man City's ongoing dominance is posing a threat to that though. Thats the same in any sport where one competitor is so dominant..its gets predictable and boring. |
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Post by rubicon on Aug 30, 2024 6:44:05 GMT 1
Great post themanfromatlantis ! Well like most SANE footy fans I’m of the opinion that Football below the first 20 places does count in England - It’s where it actually gets very good indeed, though I very much like and agree with the sarcasm of you’re first line for sure... 👍 I’d rather watch The Vauxhall Conferance than that bloody Premier League lot... (Unless HTAFC are there of course) ! 😉 The Prem can often be boring, especially compared to the EFL, and repetitive season upon season. When do you ever see a team winning league 2, four seasons in a row like Citeh just have. Not exactly possible though is it, considering they'll have been promoted, so we'll never know unless promotion and relegation ends. Still, it would at least give Town a chance of winning it three or more times in a row again..............but lord knows in which league we'd have to be. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 30, 2024 7:54:06 GMT 1
Whilst I don’t disagree, it’s kind of ironic that the one PL trait that’s made it the best - it’s competitive nature is being eroded so it’s becoming a league where the elite 2 or 3 dominate like most of the others around Europe. Thats not a new thing though. Man Utd and Arsenal used to dominate..then it was Man Utd and Chelsea ..now its Man City, Arsenal and Liverpool, though city are obviously the dominant one there. It's a cyclical thing. The PL has grown and grown through all that lack of competitiveness where at any time theres only really been 2 or maybe at best 3 clubs who were genuine challengers. Liverpool have won the title once in the last 34 years..its 11 seasons since Man Utd won it...20 since Arsenal did and over 60 years since Spurs did. Newcastle last won it the year after Town last did!! So its not like the title has been shared about much even amongst the big clubs who 'could' win it...yet the PL still grows and grows. I do agree that Man City's ongoing dominance is posing a threat to that though. Thats the same in any sport where one competitor is so dominant..its gets predictable and boring. I’ve just looked at the title winners from the early days. It’s difficult to argue against big city clubs winning titles. Ourselves, Preston, Burnley and even Portsmouth being the outliers you might say. But the competitions were controlled by the governing bodies, clubs complied. We now find a situation where it’s a small number of clubs calling the shots, and because of the threat of money being withdrawn the others fall into line. They have so much clout with the governing bodies that they can also call the shots with those people as well. It’s the glut of money that’s created this. Just imagine for a second, if there were to be a reasonable salary cap introduced, but TV money stayed the same. Season tickets would be cheap as chips everywhere, agents would be paid a normal salary, all the clubs would have a fighting chance. But as things stand it’s the clubs with the biggest global reach that will do far better from merchandise (long since gone the days when merchandise was a rattle, a scarf and a bobble hat). All clubs, including ours, are now run primarily as businesses, not sporting entities. They still have the tradition, but it’s all very corporate now. And it’s difficult to argue about the top clubs holding sway when you have what might be a hundred plus flagrant offences of the rules by Man C as they were building themselves up to where they are today, just being deferred until whenever. I really hope the authorities get their teeth into Man C, but I think there’s as much chance of that as Town winning the League Cup this season… It feels like a cartel in the PL, and long term that’s not good for the game IMHO. Give it ten years and more foreign owners and we’ll just end up with franchise football. That’s not a competition after that, it’s an industry just like the high street shops… |
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Post by iangreaves on Aug 30, 2024 7:56:40 GMT 1
Football below the first 20 places doesn’t count in England… The PL is a fucking poison on the game, they’ve been in bed with FIFA and UEFA for years, but all of a sudden there’s a rift. Great post themanfromatlantis ! Well like most SANE footy fans I’m of the opinion that Football below the first 20 places actually DOES count in England - It’s where it actually gets very good indeed, though I very much like and agree with the sarcasm of you’re first line for sure... 👍 I’d rather watch The Vauxhall Conferance than that bloody Premier League lot... (Unless HTAFC are there of course) ! 😉 Same here. I was hoping the “big six” would actually sod off and form a “European Super League “ and never darken our shores again. |
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Post by utttrooper on Aug 30, 2024 10:49:54 GMT 1
The Prem can often be boring, especially compared to the EFL, and repetitive season upon season. When do you ever see a team winning league 2, four seasons in a row like Citeh just have. Not exactly possible though is it, considering they'll have been promoted, so we'll never know unless promotion and relegation ends. Still, it would at least give Town a chance of winning it three or more times in a row again..............but lord knows in which league we'd have to be. It was a tounge in cheek comment |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 30, 2024 10:53:32 GMT 1
Thats not a new thing though. Man Utd and Arsenal used to dominate..then it was Man Utd and Chelsea ..now its Man City, Arsenal and Liverpool, though city are obviously the dominant one there. It's a cyclical thing. The PL has grown and grown through all that lack of competitiveness where at any time theres only really been 2 or maybe at best 3 clubs who were genuine challengers. Liverpool have won the title once in the last 34 years..its 11 seasons since Man Utd won it...20 since Arsenal did and over 60 years since Spurs did. Newcastle last won it the year after Town last did!! So its not like the title has been shared about much even amongst the big clubs who 'could' win it...yet the PL still grows and grows. I do agree that Man City's ongoing dominance is posing a threat to that though. Thats the same in any sport where one competitor is so dominant..its gets predictable and boring. I’ve just looked at the title winners from the early days. It’s difficult to argue against big city clubs winning titles. Ourselves, Preston, Burnley and even Portsmouth being the outliers you might say. But the competitions were controlled by the governing bodies, clubs complied. We now find a situation where it’s a small number of clubs calling the shots, and because of the threat of money being withdrawn the others fall into line. They have so much clout with the governing bodies that they can also call the shots with those people as well. It’s the glut of money that’s created this. Just imagine for a second, if there were to be a reasonable salary cap introduced, but TV money stayed the same. Season tickets would be cheap as chips everywhere, agents would be paid a normal salary, all the clubs would have a fighting chance. But as things stand it’s the clubs with the biggest global reach that will do far better from merchandise (long since gone the days when merchandise was a rattle, a  and a bobble hat). All clubs, including ours, are now run primarily as businesses, not sporting entities. They still have the tradition, but it’s all very corporate now. And it’s difficult to argue about the top clubs holding sway when you have what might be a hundred plus flagrant offences of the rules by Man C as they were building themselves up to where they are today, just being deferred until whenever. I really hope the authorities get their teeth into Man C, but I think there’s as much chance of that as Town winning the League Cup this season… It feels like a cartel in the PL, and long term that’s not good for the game IMHO. Give it ten years and more foreign owners and we’ll just end up with franchise football. That’s not a competition after that, it’s an industry just like the high street shops… I think its a bit of a myth that football is now this business and that somehow in the past it wasnt. Obviously the sums involved are on a different planet now, but the principles behind it are the same. When Town got promoted in 69/70 we couldn't buy our way into staying up and lasted 2 season with the knock on effects of relegation lasting many years afterwards. Its uncannily similar to whats happened after 16/17. It'll have been business decision why we didnt allow Shankley to buy St John and Yeats...a bloody terrible business decision in hindsight! If you look at who was in the top flight back in the pre PL era, it's not much different from how it is now. The same big city clubs hogging it, the same middling clubs in it, then out of it,, then in it again... with the odd smaller club trying and usually failing to establish themselves. It's always been about money really ever since the maximum wage was done away with, though I think the PL has made that advantage some clubs have even more pronounced. Amongst the enormous success of the PL and the benefits the whole pyramid has seen from that, thats the big loss. You cant imagine a club like a Derby or Forest going up and being a challenger for a good few years as used to happen. Leicester did I know briefly but that was so freakish it defied logic and probably wont ever be repeated by anyone. |
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Post by bogart on Aug 30, 2024 13:35:39 GMT 1
Some bloke called Osimhen going from Napoli to some Saudi side on supposedly £650k a week tax free. Where will it end?
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Post by tonytiler on Aug 30, 2024 13:58:31 GMT 1
Wonder if they want Danny Ward🤣
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Post by sabailand on Aug 30, 2024 15:54:29 GMT 1
Some bloke called Osimhen going from Napoli to some Saudi side on supposedly £650k a week tax free. Where will it end? Ivan Toney being linked to a move to Saudi too, cant understand why. |
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