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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 30, 2024 16:52:29 GMT 1
Some bloke called Osimhen going from Napoli to some Saudi side on supposedly £650k a week tax free. Where will it end? Ivan Toney being linked to a move to Saudi too, cant understand why. Theyre the only ones willing to pay what Brentford want for him. Apparently hes hanging on for a PL to come in for him even if it means hes earn a lot less. |
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Post by shawsie on Aug 30, 2024 17:02:15 GMT 1
I’ve just looked at the title winners from the early days. It’s difficult to argue against big city clubs winning titles. Ourselves, Preston, Burnley and even Portsmouth being the outliers you might say. But the competitions were controlled by the governing bodies, clubs complied. We now find a situation where it’s a small number of clubs calling the shots, and because of the threat of money being withdrawn the others fall into line. They have so much clout with the governing bodies that they can also call the shots with those people as well. It’s the glut of money that’s created this. Just imagine for a second, if there were to be a reasonable salary cap introduced, but TV money stayed the same. Season tickets would be cheap as chips everywhere, agents would be paid a normal salary, all the clubs would have a fighting chance. But as things stand it’s the clubs with the biggest global reach that will do far better from merchandise (long since gone the days when merchandise was a rattle, a  and a bobble hat). All clubs, including ours, are now run primarily as businesses, not sporting entities. They still have the tradition, but it’s all very corporate now. And it’s difficult to argue about the top clubs holding sway when you have what might be a hundred plus flagrant offences of the rules by Man C as they were building themselves up to where they are today, just being deferred until whenever. I really hope the authorities get their teeth into Man C, but I think there’s as much chance of that as Town winning the League Cup this season… It feels like a cartel in the PL, and long term that’s not good for the game IMHO. Give it ten years and more foreign owners and we’ll just end up with franchise football. That’s not a competition after that, it’s an industry just like the high street shops… I think its a bit of a myth that football is now this business and that somehow in the past it wasnt. Obviously the sums involved are on a different planet now, but the principles behind it are the same. When Town got promoted in 69/70 we couldn't buy our way into staying up and lasted 2 season with the knock on effects of relegation lasting many years afterwards. Its uncannily similar to whats happened after 16/17. It'll have been business decision why we didnt allow Shankley to buy St John and Yeats...a bloody terrible business decision in hindsight! If you look at who was in the top flight back in the pre PL era, it's not much different from how it is now. The same big city clubs hogging it, the same middling clubs in it, then out of it,, then in it again... with the odd smaller club trying and usually failing to establish themselves. It's always been about money really ever since the maximum wage was done away with, though I think the PL has made that advantage some clubs have even more pronounced. Amongst the enormous success of the PL and the benefits the whole pyramid has seen from that, thats the big loss. You cant imagine a club like a Derby or Forest going up and being a challenger for a good few years as used to happen. Leicester did I know briefly but that was so freakish it defied logic and probably wont ever be repeated by anyone. I get your point slapps but the big 6 are making sure nobody else can do a leicester.....thats what is rotten. Too many games they cry - cue more champ league games. Can only spend so much but if you arent a champ league club yer revenue is much less even if yer owners are willing and able to do so. Its a backhand way of bringing fwd a super league imho because the sums at the top are so vast the governing bodies cant or wont dictate the course. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Aug 30, 2024 21:55:00 GMT 1
I'm not keen on what the Saudis are doing, but sitting back and reflecting for a moment, it's been very clear for many years that most players are in fact merely contractors who ply their services to the highest bidder.
I wish that players still had loyalty to their local club and made a career of it, but are they even 10% of all players? Even 5% ?
Considering such a context, there's no valid argument for suggesting that Tovey should stay in the EPL. He's already played for a few clubs, Chelsea wanted him now apparently. Regardless, as a contractor he can provide his skills and experience wherever he wants.
Anyone criticising him have lost the plot, they are ignorant of all other professions where the highest offer wins. Why should footballers be any different? I wish it WAS different. I wish there WAS loyalty to the local club and country, but regretably, those days are long gone.
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Post by 28901 on Aug 30, 2024 22:05:52 GMT 1
Whilst I don’t disagree, it’s kind of ironic that the one PL trait that’s made it the best - it’s competitive nature is being eroded so it’s becoming a league where the elite 2 or 3 dominate like most of the others around Europe. Thats not a new thing though. Man Utd and Arsenal used to dominate..then it was Man Utd and Chelsea ..now its Man City, Arsenal and Liverpool, though city are obviously the dominant one there. It's a cyclical thing. The PL has grown and grown through all that lack of competitiveness where at any time theres only really been 2 or maybe at best 3 clubs who were genuine challengers. Liverpool have won the title once in the last 34 years..its 11 seasons since Man Utd won it...20 since Arsenal did and over 60 years since Spurs did. Newcastle last won it the year after Town last did!! So its not like the title has been shared about much even amongst the big clubs who 'could' win it...yet the PL still grows and grows. I do agree that Man City's ongoing dominance is posing a threat to that though. Thats the same in any sport where one competitor is so dominant..its gets predictable and boring. Small clubs like QPR Derby Ipswich WBA Leeds were regularly challenging for the league when I was a kid. Arsenal used to finish bottom half, Man U got relegated as well. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Aug 30, 2024 22:50:25 GMT 1
Thats not a new thing though. Man Utd and Arsenal used to dominate..then it was Man Utd and Chelsea ..now its Man City, Arsenal and Liverpool, though city are obviously the dominant one there. It's a cyclical thing. The PL has grown and grown through all that lack of competitiveness where at any time theres only really been 2 or maybe at best 3 clubs who were genuine challengers. Liverpool have won the title once in the last 34 years..its 11 seasons since Man Utd won it...20 since Arsenal did and over 60 years since Spurs did. Newcastle last won it the year after Town last did!! So its not like the title has been shared about much even amongst the big clubs who 'could' win it...yet the PL still grows and grows. I do agree that Man City's ongoing dominance is posing a threat to that though. Thats the same in any sport where one competitor is so dominant..its gets predictable and boring. Small clubs like QPR Derby Ipswich WBA Leeds were regularly challenging for the league when I was a kid. Arsenal used to finish bottom half, Man U got relegated as well. …and Spurs. |
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Post by monkbar on Aug 31, 2024 3:58:11 GMT 1
It's all Jimmy Hill's fault.
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Post by mosher on Sept 1, 2024 13:21:45 GMT 1
I get your point slapps but the big 6 are making sure nobody else can do a leicester.....thats what is rotten. Too many games they cry - cue more champ league games. Can only spend so much but if you arent a champ league club yer revenue is much less even if yer owners are willing and able to do so.Its a backhand way of bringing fwd a super league imho because the sums at the top are so vast the governing bodies cant or wont dictate the course. I said as soon as they introduced FFP that it was to close the shop, not to protect clubs from shysters. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 2, 2024 0:22:09 GMT 1
Thats not a new thing though. Man Utd and Arsenal used to dominate..then it was Man Utd and Chelsea ..now its Man City, Arsenal and Liverpool, though city are obviously the dominant one there. It's a cyclical thing. The PL has grown and grown through all that lack of competitiveness where at any time theres only really been 2 or maybe at best 3 clubs who were genuine challengers. Liverpool have won the title once in the last 34 years..its 11 seasons since Man Utd won it...20 since Arsenal did and over 60 years since Spurs did. Newcastle last won it the year after Town last did!! So its not like the title has been shared about much even amongst the big clubs who 'could' win it...yet the PL still grows and grows. I do agree that Man City's ongoing dominance is posing a threat to that though. Thats the same in any sport where one competitor is so dominant..its gets predictable and boring. Small clubs like QPR Derby Ipswich WBA Leeds were regularly challenging for the league when I was a kid. Arsenal used to finish bottom half, Man U got relegated as well. Swansea did one year under Toshak! Watford, Norwich, Stoke,..quite a few smaller clubs had a little spell where they were up at the top end and 'challenged' to some extent. It's definitely changed so that isnt going to happen again, which is a big shame. On the other hand if you look at clubs like that , by the time the PL started in '92, the crowds they were getting were a fraction of what they get now,,less than a third in some cases. Other than the 3 seasons where Blackburn , Liverpool and Leicester won it, the PL has in its 32 years only been won by 4 clubs, but despite that dominance and predictability the game has never been as popular in this country, even in the post war era when it was cheap as chips and there was bugger all else for people to do. So its a shame smaller clubs 'cant' do that anymore, but it doesnt actually seem to have a negative effect on interest. |
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 4, 2024 14:47:16 GMT 1
Ivan Toney will earn a basic wage of £400000 per week now football really is eating itself alive
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Post by markthehorn on Sept 4, 2024 16:07:18 GMT 1
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 4, 2024 16:35:12 GMT 1
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Post by goodbet on Sept 4, 2024 16:54:28 GMT 1
Small clubs like QPR Derby Ipswich WBA Leeds were regularly challenging for the league when I was a kid. Arsenal used to finish bottom half, Man U got relegated as well. Swansea did one year under Toshak! Watford, Norwich, Stoke,..quite a few smaller clubs had a little spell where they were up at the top end and 'challenged' to some extent. It's definitely changed so that isnt going to happen again, which is a big shame. On the other hand if you look at clubs like that , by the time the PL started in '92, the crowds they were getting were a fraction of what they get now,,less than a third in some cases. Other than the 3 seasons where Blackburn , Liverpool and Leicester won it, the PL has in its 32 years only been won by 4 clubs, but despite that dominance and predictability the game has never been as popular in this country, even in the post war era when it was cheap as chips and there was bugger all else for people to do. So its a shame smaller clubs 'cant' do that anymore, but it doesnt actually seem to have a negative effect on interest. Fans are always hopeful that their club can make it. |
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Sept 4, 2024 18:49:30 GMT 1
Thin end of the wedge here, although, it could work in reverse for Town, amongst others, charging less and less as the game approaches, in order to fill the ground. |
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Post by sabailand on Sept 4, 2024 18:54:54 GMT 1
Swansea did one year under Toshak! Watford, Norwich, Stoke,..quite a few smaller clubs had a little spell where they were up at the top end and 'challenged' to some extent. It's definitely changed so that isnt going to happen again, which is a big shame. On the other hand if you look at clubs like that , by the time the PL started in '92, the crowds they were getting were a fraction of what they get now,,less than a third in some cases. Other than the 3 seasons where Blackburn , Liverpool and Leicester won it, the PL has in its 32 years only been won by 4 clubs, but despite that dominance and predictability the game has never been as popular in this country, even in the post war era when it was cheap as chips and there was bugger all else for people to do. So its a shame smaller clubs 'cant' do that anymore, but it doesnt actually seem to have a negative effect on interest. Yep, take away the hope then whats the point in going at all. |
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 4, 2024 20:51:08 GMT 1
Thin end of the wedge here, although, it could work in reverse for Town, amongst others, charging less and less as the game approaches, in order to fill the ground. Ha! I thought exactly the same! |
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Post by Perardua on Sept 5, 2024 14:22:22 GMT 1
Swansea did one year under Toshak! Watford, Norwich, Stoke,..quite a few smaller clubs had a little spell where they were up at the top end and 'challenged' to some extent. It's definitely changed so that isnt going to happen again, which is a big shame. On the other hand if you look at clubs like that , by the time the PL started in '92, the crowds they were getting were a fraction of what they get now,,less than a third in some cases. Other than the 3 seasons where Blackburn , Liverpool and Leicester won it, the PL has in its 32 years only been won by 4 clubs, but despite that dominance and predictability the game has never been as popular in this country, even in the post war era when it was cheap as chips and there was bugger all else for people to do. So its a shame smaller clubs 'cant' do that anymore, but it doesnt actually seem to have a negative effect on interest. Fans are always hopeful that their club can make it. You could replace 'hopeful' with deluded |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 24, 2024 11:20:40 GMT 1
Heard a snippet of a news story on the radio this morning. There’s a renewed attempt to get this football regulator sorted, although I hadn’t realised they’d mothballed or cancelled the previous attempt.
They mentioned a statement from the PL, who aren’t keen on the idea, worried about something like this overstepping their remit.
As far as I’m aware, a lot of the things being discussed for the regulator are around pricing and supporting football fans in getting fairer deals, better ticket prices etc.
No surprise to see the self serving bastards at the PL chelping about this is it.
If you look at most things where an organisation wants to suppress the power of a regulator, there’s only one motivating factor for them, and it begins with M…
I’d rather play in a PL that’s without these bastards who are poisoning the game, maybe the new CL is simply the forerunner to their ESL plans. The sooner the better for me.
I know some would love to be in the PL and facing the Man Utd’s & Liverpools of the world, but they treat clubs like Town with disdain. Plenty of clubs down the leagues with rich histories, but if the PL (& the owners of these ‘big’ clubs) had a chance they’d grind us into the first so they can take an even bigger slice of the pie…
I really do detest what the PL stands for.
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Post by turbo2 on Oct 24, 2024 11:33:40 GMT 1
Heard a snippet of a news story on the radio this morning. There’s a renewed attempt to get this football regulator sorted, although I hadn’t realised they’d mothballed or cancelled the previous attempt. They mentioned a statement from the PL, who aren’t keen on the idea, worried about something like this overstepping their remit. As far as I’m aware, a lot of the things being discussed for the regulator are around pricing and supporting football fans in getting fairer deals, better ticket prices etc. No surprise to see the self serving bastards at the PL chelping about this is it. If you look at most things where an organisation wants to suppress the power of a regulator, there’s only one motivating factor for them, and it begins with M… I’d rather play in a PL that’s without these bastards who are poisoning the game, maybe the new CL is simply the forerunner to their ESL plans. The sooner the better for me. I know some would love to be in the PL and facing the Man Utd’s & Liverpools of the world, but they treat clubs like Town with disdain. Plenty of clubs down the leagues with rich histories, but if the PL (& the owners of these ‘big’ clubs) had a chance they’d grind us into the first so they can take an even bigger slice of the pie… I really do detest what the PL stands for. The regulator was talking about spreading money down the pyramid. Obvs the PL clubs were outraged. Man U have sacked 125 match day staff (if they were all on 50k a year it would be the equivalent of 1 first team regulars wage) I love football, but detest everything the PL stands for. |
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Post by markthehorn on Oct 24, 2024 22:17:16 GMT 1
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Oct 27, 2024 10:54:57 GMT 1
My main concern is how the football regulator setup might conflict with FIFAs policy on no government interference in football... and I wouldn't necessarily expect the current shower in charge to even bother finding out that that's a thing, until Infantino threatens to kick England out of the World Cup. |
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Post by markthehorn on Oct 27, 2024 20:22:51 GMT 1
My main concern is how the football regulator setup might conflict with FIFAs policy on no government interference in football... and I wouldn't necessarily expect the current shower in charge to even bother finding out that that's a thing, until Infantino threatens to kick England out of the World Cup. I think they have been warned about it which makes me think the though thing will be watered down to suit the big parties |
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Post by shawsie on Oct 27, 2024 20:33:00 GMT 1
My main concern is how the football regulator setup might conflict with FIFAs policy on no government interference in football... and I wouldn't necessarily expect the current shower in charge to even bother finding out that that's a thing, until Infantino threatens to kick England out of the World Cup. I think they have been warned about it which makes me think the though thing will be watered down to suit the big parties Spot on mark. They will tinker around the edges but the big calls won't change. Big 6 as they are known don't want new entrants - no newcastles, villas, Brighton etc. So long as the manc's, the victims and the so called big London 3 are OK it will be sod the rest. |
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Post by sabailand on Nov 11, 2024 10:36:32 GMT 1
Recently read an article that the French league have ordered PSG to pay what amounts to £45 million in three months unpaid wages and a loyalty bonus, now i know a contract is a contract etc but this is breathtaking, its obscene, some fans actually revere these players, its sad but some football fans really are that simple and gullible.
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Nov 11, 2024 11:12:30 GMT 1
Man Utd making 250 staff redundant. If they are all on 25k a year, thats the equivalent of one player on 120k a week. Not relevant though. More likely about efficiency of the business. Efficiency guess you will be ok then if you're made redundant due to efficiency. Efficiency my arse, I know people who work in business and banking, efficiency usually means a few more quid profit but often results in making a business more inefficient. Call it what it is not efficiency but plain old fashioned self serving greed, hope it comes back to bite them. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Nov 11, 2024 17:12:47 GMT 1
Ok Karen
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Post by sabailand on Nov 12, 2024 15:32:32 GMT 1
Recently read an article that the French league have ordered PSG to pay what amounts to £45 million in three months unpaid wages and a loyalty bonus, now i know a contract is a contract etc but this is breathtaking, its obscene, some fans actually revere these players, its sad but some football fans really are that simple and gullible. I edited the original post a couple of times before posting and forgot to put this was for just one player, Kylian Mbappe. |
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