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Post by rothwellterrier on Aug 7, 2024 22:10:23 GMT 1
I suspect the price of football guy agreeing he’s correct should actually shut the Ipswich fans up.
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Post by essextractor on Aug 8, 2024 7:04:43 GMT 1
I suspect the price of football guy agreeing he’s correct should actually shut the Ipswich fans up. There is a difference between accounts losses (which is what the football guy says is correct - but did make losses of 12.6 and 18.2 in 21/22 and 22/23 respectively) and what FFP’s 39m cap is made up of which Kieran is referring to on his ‘reality’ without going into depth. The losses for FFP were 6.3 and 12.4 respectively for those two seasons. |
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Post by SacTown on Aug 8, 2024 8:18:43 GMT 1
I suspect the price of football guy agreeing he’s correct should actually shut the Ipswich fans up. There is a difference between accounts losses (which is what the football guy says is correct - but did make losses of 12.6 and 18.2 in 21/22 and 22/23 respectively) and what FFP’s 39m cap is made up of which Kieran is referring to on his ‘reality’ without going into depth. The losses for FFP were 6.3 and 12.4 respectively for those two seasons. Football is sadly turning into a business for accountants and lawyers. |
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Post by detox on Aug 8, 2024 8:24:47 GMT 1
That's probably what JE was referring to..losses of £31m in the 2 previous seasons, and despite their promotion to the PL you can guarantee they'd have lost more than £8m ...players/staff promotion bonuses would be over £10m (I think Town paid several millions when we went to the PL).... I’ve just seen the interview which mentions us and you only need to look at page 4 of the latest accounts to see we had a buffer of £20m for the 23/24 year. Promotion would have generated additional income of £5m for 23/24 simply due to the higher TV money championship clubs get. You’ll see that our turnover in league 1 was higher than wages which isn’t common for championship clubs. maybe it was to do with another matter ? I 'assumed' JE was referring to FFP which maybe was an error on my part but not intended as a slur on Ipswich Town. JE mentioned this in passing while discussing HTAFC's position in respect of the riules that apply in league one , when asked by Oggy. |
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Post by townarentbest on Aug 8, 2024 12:44:58 GMT 1
I suspect the price of football guy agreeing he’s correct should actually shut the Ipswich fans up. There is a difference between accounts losses (which is what the football guy says is correct - but did make losses of 12.6 and 18.2 in 21/22 and 22/23 respectively) and what FFP’s 39m cap is made up of which Kieran is referring to on his ‘reality’ without going into depth. The losses for FFP were 6.3 and 12.4 respectively for those two seasons. So in summary, don't get promoted to the PL, and add in similar (likely increased) losses for another year in the Championship and Ipswich would have been screwed either this coming season or the next? |
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Post by essextractor on Aug 8, 2024 13:29:25 GMT 1
There is a difference between accounts losses (which is what the football guy says is correct - but did make losses of 12.6 and 18.2 in 21/22 and 22/23 respectively) and what FFP’s 39m cap is made up of which Kieran is referring to on his ‘reality’ without going into depth. The losses for FFP were 6.3 and 12.4 respectively for those two seasons. So in summary, don't get promoted to the PL, and add in similar (likely increased) losses for another year in the Championship and Ipswich would have been screwed either this coming season or the next? If we didn’t get promoted in 2023/24, our loses could have been up to 20m and still fall in the rules. We didn’t spend much after promotion and our income will have increased massively because of increase in tv money as well as increased attendances (sold out most seasons). There would have been no way a bigger loss than 20m in the FFP rules. It will probably look higher than if we were to have stayed in the Championship because of promotion bonuses in wages inflating costs. Im fairly certain we would have been ok for at least 2 years. Our overall losses may look a lot higher though as there has been huge amounts spent on infrastructure which deteriorated under our old ownership. |
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Post by deucebigalow77 on Aug 8, 2024 14:13:43 GMT 1
I hope they've spent a bit on the stand we were in last season ? Proper dump that is. Good luck for the season
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Post by mosher on Aug 8, 2024 14:18:38 GMT 1
So in summary, don't get promoted to the PL, and add in similar (likely increased) losses for another year in the Championship and Ipswich would have been screwed either this coming season or the next? If we didn’t get promoted in 2023/24, our loses could have been up to 20m and still fall in the rules. We didn’t spend much after promotion and our income will have increased massively because of increase in tv money as well as increased attendances (sold out most seasons). There would have been no way a bigger loss than 20m in the FFP rules. It will probably look higher than if we were to have stayed in the Championship because of promotion bonuses in wages inflating costs. Im fairly certain we would have been ok for at least 2 years. Our overall losses may look a lot higher though as there has been huge amounts spent on infrastructure which deteriorated under our old ownership.Sounds familiar |
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Post by townarentbest on Aug 8, 2024 14:38:06 GMT 1
So in summary, don't get promoted to the PL, and add in similar (likely increased) losses for another year in the Championship and Ipswich would have been screwed either this coming season or the next? If we didn’t get promoted in 2023/24, our loses could have been up to 20m and still fall in the rules. We didn’t spend much after promotion and our income will have increased massively because of increase in tv money as well as increased attendances (sold out most seasons). There would have been no way a bigger loss than 20m in the FFP rules. It will probably look higher than if we were to have stayed in the Championship because of promotion bonuses in wages inflating costs. Im fairly certain we would have been ok for at least 2 years. Our overall losses may look a lot higher though as there has been huge amounts spent on infrastructure which deteriorated under our old ownership. Think you're missing my point...if you're FFP counting losses have been 6.3 and 12.4, its not unreasonable to think that season just gones FFP loss could easily be 18m (off the back of rising costs aligned with promotion into the Championship). That would mean having to significantly reduce the ongoing FFP losses during THIS season to sub £9m in order to keep under £39m. Tough in itself, and then assuming having done that, next season off the back of rolling £18m and £9m, there would be just £3m of leeway to get through 25/26...zero chance losses could be reduced to that level. Even if my 18m is over-egged, it would still have meant staying in the Championship just two more seasons (this upcoming season and next) would be a period of having to massively tune operational spend, to the likely detriment of on-field performance. Without having been promoted to the PL when they were this summer, Ipswich Town would have been in a really bad position over the coming 2-3-4 years, thats an undoubted certainty. Thankfully for you, they did get promoted so its all conjecture. Enjoy it whilst you can (took me about 3 months to get bored of it !!) 🎈 |
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Post by mosher on Aug 8, 2024 14:48:30 GMT 1
If we didn’t get promoted in 2023/24, our loses could have been up to 20m and still fall in the rules. We didn’t spend much after promotion and our income will have increased massively because of increase in tv money as well as increased attendances (sold out most seasons). There would have been no way a bigger loss than 20m in the FFP rules. It will probably look higher than if we were to have stayed in the Championship because of promotion bonuses in wages inflating costs. Im fairly certain we would have been ok for at least 2 years. Our overall losses may look a lot higher though as there has been huge amounts spent on infrastructure which deteriorated under our old ownership. Think you're missing my point...if you're FFP counting losses have been 6.3 and 12.4, its not unreasonable to think that season just gones FFP loss could easily be 18m (off the back of rising costs aligned with promotion into the Championship). That would mean having to significantly reduce the ongoing FFP losses during THIS season to sub £9m in order to keep under £39m. Tough in itself, and then assuming having done that, next season off the back of rolling £18m and £9m, there would be just £3m of leeway to get through 25/26...zero chance losses could be reduced to that level. Even if my 18m is over-egged, it would still have meant staying in the Championship just two more seasons (this upcoming season and next) would be a period of having to massively tune operational spend, to the likely detriment of on-field performance. Without having been promoted to the PL when they were this summer, Ipswich Town would have been in a really bad position over the coming 2-3-4 years, thats an undoubted certainty. Thankfully for you, they did get promoted so its all conjecture. Enjoy it whilst you can (took me about 3 months to get bored of it !!) 🎈 I don't think fans (of teams who've not been in top flight for a while) realise how boring it is getting whipped every other week. Or watching your team set up to purposely "only" lose 1-0. Or watching your own fans give a rival player a standing ovation. Or seeing your team blow 40m quid on absolute shite footballers only for them to throw in the towel to add to their shitness. Or see your team be denied stonewall pens because you're playing one of the "big fkn 6" Or see your players sent off in the same game that an opposition player doesn't even get booked for a worse tackle. I suppose some of that happens in the lower leagues too, but seems to be heightened in the PL. |
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Post by townarentbest on Aug 8, 2024 15:27:01 GMT 1
Think you're missing my point...if you're FFP counting losses have been 6.3 and 12.4, its not unreasonable to think that season just gones FFP loss could easily be 18m (off the back of rising costs aligned with promotion into the Championship). That would mean having to significantly reduce the ongoing FFP losses during THIS season to sub £9m in order to keep under £39m. Tough in itself, and then assuming having done that, next season off the back of rolling £18m and £9m, there would be just £3m of leeway to get through 25/26...zero chance losses could be reduced to that level. Even if my 18m is over-egged, it would still have meant staying in the Championship just two more seasons (this upcoming season and next) would be a period of having to massively tune operational spend, to the likely detriment of on-field performance. Without having been promoted to the PL when they were this summer, Ipswich Town would have been in a really bad position over the coming 2-3-4 years, thats an undoubted certainty. Thankfully for you, they did get promoted so its all conjecture. Enjoy it whilst you can (took me about 3 months to get bored of it !!) 🎈 I don't think fans (of teams who've not been in top flight for a while) realise how boring it is getting whipped every other week. Or watching your team set up to purposely "only" lose 1-0. Or watching your own fans give a rival player a standing ovation. Or seeing your team blow 40m quid on absolute shite footballers only for them to throw in the towel to add to their shitness. Or see your team be denied stonewall pens because you're playing one of the "big fkn 6" Or see your players sent off in the same game that an opposition player doesn't even get booked for a worse tackle. I suppose some of that happens in the lower leagues too, but seems to be heightened in the PL. It was all very tedious...you forgot to add in how quiet it is at away grounds, makes it all very dull almost like a pre-season game. The fans of Liverpool etc are very happy to sit there (FILMING the game!!) and watch quietly whilst their team does nothing bar solidly defend, with zero attacking intent, whilst little old Huddersfield do their best to try and find a way through....and just capitalise on mistakes, score goals, then have an easy stroll against a lower-quality team that has to take more risks. You'll never walk alone? Piped music whilst some people  scarfs at the far end of the ground. Old Trafford. Silent in between goal celebrations. Man City...little dots on the pitch miles away like watching a game of Sensible Soccer in a massive silent arena. I didn't go to a single away game in our second season up (and actually havent been to one since)...yet I sincerely CAN NOT WAIT to travel to Stockport and witness an actual football match between two teams hopefully trying to beat each other and some fans who all believe thats possible!! The highs in the PL were high of course. But everything else far outweighs them. I'm 99% certain I'll never watch Town play another PL game in the flesh, by choice. I'd rather watch a football match, in reality the PL is a product for TV , that happens to be "filmed in front of a live TV audience". |
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Post by softboy on Aug 8, 2024 17:21:20 GMT 1
I get the impression that the club (owner) are keen to develop a long term stable club. I believe KN is keen to invest in the Town for commercial reasons as well. We all have issues re the Town Centre but having watched Town away for many years it is no where near as bad as some. Huddersfield is within a hour of 4 major Cities with high speed rail links planned so as a Investr its probably a good place to invest in. I believe he is keen to invest enough to make the club successful again but as a man of major wealth is not prepared to be ripped off just because he has money. I suspect we are taking our time and when the right striker comes along at the right price we will get them. I know Birmingham hijacted the May move but from what the financial guys on the radio say they have to get promoted otherwise they will be in serious problems with financial rules.
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Post by jonny5 on Aug 8, 2024 22:04:41 GMT 1
I wouldn't be going on record saying May wasn't deserving of the wage he is being paid. Talk about giving him extra motivation to bang a hat trick in against us He probably isn’t he’s 29 and never played above league 1 It has the feeling of Rickie Lambert for me this one. We need a 20+ goal machine to get out of this league. He could have been it. Right now we have nothing that can score 20+ but I’m optimistic that investment is being made in a good way, I have a level of confidence in the owner and management. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 8, 2024 22:57:55 GMT 1
He probably isn’t he’s 29 and never played above league 1 It has the feeling of Rickie Lambert for me this one. We need a 20+ goal machine to get out of this league. He could have been it. Right now we have nothing that can score 20+ but I’m optimistic that investment is being made in a good way, I have a level of confidence in the owner and management. Reckon if Healey stays fit he can out score May. |
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Post by Orinoco on Aug 9, 2024 9:09:09 GMT 1
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Post by Orinoco on Aug 9, 2024 9:12:24 GMT 1
I hope they've spent a bit on the stand we were in last season ? Proper dump that is. Good luck for the season Bring back the Leeds Road mens bogs!! |
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Post by townarentbest on Aug 9, 2024 9:21:19 GMT 1
It has the feeling of Rickie Lambert for me this one. We need a 20+ goal machine to get out of this league. He could have been it. Right now we have nothing that can score 20+ but I’m optimistic that investment is being made in a good way, I have a level of confidence in the owner and management. Reckon if Healey stays fit he can out score May. Its a big if, given he's not really managed to play a full season in 10+ years of professional football. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 9, 2024 10:07:11 GMT 1
Reckon if Healey stays fit he can out score May. Its a big if, given he's not really managed to play a full season in 10+ years of professional football. In Toulouse's promotion season he missed the last 3 games through injury, the season before that he missed two games with a calf strain. It was the 22/23 season when he did his cruciate ligament and he missed most of the season, could happen to any player. |
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Post by deucebigalow77 on Aug 9, 2024 11:00:35 GMT 1
I hope they've spent a bit on the stand we were in last season ? Proper dump that is. Good luck for the season Bring back the Leeds Road mens bogs!! The smell 😆 |
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Post by runner76 on Aug 9, 2024 11:13:41 GMT 1
Think you're missing my point...if you're FFP counting losses have been 6.3 and 12.4, its not unreasonable to think that season just gones FFP loss could easily be 18m (off the back of rising costs aligned with promotion into the Championship). That would mean having to significantly reduce the ongoing FFP losses during THIS season to sub £9m in order to keep under £39m. Tough in itself, and then assuming having done that, next season off the back of rolling £18m and £9m, there would be just £3m of leeway to get through 25/26...zero chance losses could be reduced to that level. Even if my 18m is over-egged, it would still have meant staying in the Championship just two more seasons (this upcoming season and next) would be a period of having to massively tune operational spend, to the likely detriment of on-field performance. Without having been promoted to the PL when they were this summer, Ipswich Town would have been in a really bad position over the coming 2-3-4 years, thats an undoubted certainty. Thankfully for you, they did get promoted so its all conjecture. Enjoy it whilst you can (took me about 3 months to get bored of it !!) 🎈 I don't think fans (of teams who've not been in top flight for a while) realise how boring it is getting whipped every other week. Or watching your team set up to purposely "only" lose 1-0. Or watching your own fans give a rival player a standing ovation. Or seeing your team blow 40m quid on absolute shite footballers only for them to throw in the towel to add to their shitness. Or see your team be denied stonewall pens because you're playing one of the "big fkn 6" Or see your players sent off in the same game that an opposition player doesn't even get booked for a worse tackle. I suppose some of that happens in the lower leagues too, but seems to be heightened in the PL. …….we will do a better job of it next time we are promoted….. |
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Post by nearwildheaven on Aug 9, 2024 11:35:34 GMT 1
I hope they've spent a bit on the stand we were in last season ? Proper dump that is. Good luck for the season Bring back the Leeds Road mens bogs!! Should be relatively easy to build a brick wall we can all piss against. |
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Post by mosher on Aug 9, 2024 12:01:07 GMT 1
I don't think fans (of teams who've not been in top flight for a while) realise how boring it is getting whipped every other week. Or watching your team set up to purposely "only" lose 1-0. Or watching your own fans give a rival player a standing ovation. Or seeing your team blow 40m quid on absolute shite footballers only for them to throw in the towel to add to their shitness. Or see your team be denied stonewall pens because you're playing one of the "big fkn 6" Or see your players sent off in the same game that an opposition player doesn't even get booked for a worse tackle. I suppose some of that happens in the lower leagues too, but seems to be heightened in the PL. …….we will do a better job of it next time we are promoted….. Hope so |
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Post by runner76 on Aug 9, 2024 12:10:03 GMT 1
…….we will do a better job of it next time we are promoted….. Hope so Likewise!! |
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