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Post by htafcdreams on Sept 22, 2024 12:23:37 GMT 1
Through the years at the club we’ve had some talented players but mentally they have gone down the gears for various reasons from 3 ownerships, relegation battles / relegations, manager turnover and staff turnover.
The current crop of players we have a few who mentally are struggling to fight. They have the talent, the athleticism but performances and consistency is there week on week.
The old saying, if they were that good, they wouldn’t be playing for Huddersfield, is often said.
The players we’ve had who have been relatively successful have turned up week in, week out in some absolutely sh1t show seasons.
Harry Toffolo, Lewis O Brien turned up. Week in, week out. They carried many players who mentally didn’t have it.
Jonathan Hogg shouldn’t be playing every week but he is due to the weak mentality players in the side.
We look at Evans, Wiles, Ward, Radulavic, Headley etc
Mentally they aren’t at it.
We’ve had it last season with Jackson, Mahoney etc all mentally checking out of the game and struggling to have that mentality that’s needed to compete
Is it the signing we select or the clubs a whole which doesn’t support the players
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Post by htafcdreams on Sept 23, 2024 21:19:21 GMT 1
Tom Lees interview
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Post by htfcterry on Sept 24, 2024 5:52:21 GMT 1
This has been taken way out of context. Break it down for what it is. He's saying that the odd loss will come, not that we are up against it every week. You are deluded if you think that every single week we're gunna win the game. What team has turned up to a 46 game season and walked away with 138 points at the end of it? I don't have any issue with what he said tbh, he clearly said we weren't good enough on sat which is correct. He said we won't win every single game by 3 or 4, which is correct. He's managing expectations which is also clearly needed by the reaction this interview is getting. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Sept 24, 2024 6:05:55 GMT 1
This has been taken way out of context. Break it down for what it is. He's saying that the odd loss will come, not that we are up against it every week. You are deluded if you think that every single week we're gunna win the game. What team has turned up to a 46 game season and walked away with 138 points at the end of it? I don't have any issue with what he said tbh, he clearly said we weren't good enough on sat which is correct. He said we won't win every single game by 3 or 4, which is correct. He's managing expectations which is also clearly needed by the reaction this interview is getting. It’s just being used as yet another stick to beat the players and club with. What Lees said is right. We’re not going to win every game. We’re not going to be 2-0 up every game at half-time. Other teams aren’t going to make it easy for us. He’s right when he says that this season we are a bit of a day out - not been at this level a while, other dudes aren’t sure if we’ll be there next - and will see us as a scalp. Northampton did step up a gear on Saturday once they realised the shock was on. The players’ mentality is an issue, that’s clear. Complacency and lack of belief on Saturday were big factors. One mistake sapped an awful lot out of them, when it should not have done so. But to watch a pretty grounded interview and call that player out isn’t really on. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 24, 2024 6:16:34 GMT 1
It's like I'm watching a different interview to some. Everything he said made sense to me and I am baffled how some are so upset by it
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 24, 2024 6:32:50 GMT 1
Poor interview.
It’s very negative, it feels like he is looking for excuses. It’s almost like they want us to feel sorry for them. After being “out run” and “out fought” by Northampton, Duff’s words not mine that’s not happening.
This is why some of these legacy players need dropping.
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Post by rockwall on Sept 24, 2024 7:05:24 GMT 1
Through the years at the club we’ve had some talented players but mentally they have gone down the gears for various reasons from 3 ownerships, relegation battles / relegations, manager turnover and staff turnover. The current crop of players we have a few who mentally are struggling to fight. They have the talent, the athleticism but performances and consistency is there week on week. The old saying, if they were that good, they wouldn’t be playing for Huddersfield, is often said. The players we’ve had who have been relatively successful have turned up week in, week out in some absolutely sh1t show seasons. Harry Toffolo, Lewis O Brien turned up. Week in, week out. They carried many players who mentally didn’t have it. Jonathan Hogg shouldn’t be playing every week but he is due to the weak mentality players in the side. We look at Evans, Wiles, Ward, Radulavic, Headley etc Mentally they aren’t at it. We’ve had it last season with Jackson, Mahoney etc all mentally checking out of the game and struggling to have that mentality that’s needed to compete Is it the signing we select or the clubs a whole which doesn’t support the players Toffolo and LOB? We got to the play off final, nothing wrong mentally with that group at all. Mahoney had nothing to do with mentality, he was just utter garbage. I also think so far this season we haven't got a poor mentality. Huge difference between a poornperformance and poor mentality. |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 24, 2024 7:24:29 GMT 1
My personal view is that more needs to change at the club than we realise. I think MD has become increasingly aware of this over the past couple of months.
MD has said, more than once, that the club has basically struggled on the pitch over the past number of years, bar the outlier seasons. He has also mentioned the underdog mentality that was fostered, successfully for a short period, needs to change.
I don't think this has been really acknowledged as the underlying issue by Mr Nagle and his team. The culture needs to change across the entire club. That might be happening outside the dressing room but inside the wildly inconsistent performances would suggest there is still a problem.
I would say that it isn't just down to mindset. Saturday was a case in point of things not working on the pitch and a different tactical approach was needed. That change happened far too late. I suppose adaptability could be linked with mental fragility but that might be offering an excuse for MD not changing things.
Signing technically competent players, at this level ie good enough to be promoted, is one thing. Identifying characters who are leaders, resilient and essentially winners is something different. I do think there's enough ability in the squad to be promoted but do they individually and collectively fully believe in themselves? That's a different question.
Winning games breeds confidence of course. It is therefore down to MD to find a way to do that. However if there is a mental block/too much latent baggage across the squad then that becomes tougher.
I think this is one of the reasons why we need to stick with MD for the long term. Since Carlos left there have been too many different voices and no coherent strategy. The issue that MD does need to be aware of is his own approach to games. When asked if he would consider a different approach (after Saturday) his answer was, essentially, "no we need to do plan A better". In a dressing room of cynics and fragility that might not be the best option.
Time will of course tell but what needs to really happen is for the likes of Edwards and Cartwright to sit back and report effectively to Mr Nagle what the extent of the issues are. For Mr Nagle's part he needs to listen and reflect on what more needs to be done.
If we are to transition to a club that aspires to challenge towards the upper echelons of the EFL then more is required. That needs to be substantial and sustained. At the moment we are, in reality, a long way away from making that long term change.
Short term it's about winning games of football, which will help (to change things) so MD has to find away to do that.
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Post by irverino on Sept 24, 2024 7:56:42 GMT 1
It's like I'm watching a different interview to some. Everything he said made sense to me and I am baffled how some are so upset by it I didn't think he was singling out the fans & possibly addressing someone nearer the club? Anyway Tom seemed really pissed off, hopefully he takes it out on the Tangerines tonight.......OP made a couple of interesting points. |
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Post by htfcterry on Sept 24, 2024 8:06:00 GMT 1
Poor interview. It’s very negative, it feels like he is looking for excuses. It’s almost like they want us to feel sorry for them. After being “out run” and “out fought” by Northampton, Duff’s words not mine that’s not happening. This is why some of these legacy players need dropping. You've also decided to not hear (or if you did hear it, not comment on it to set your own agenda) the part where both said "WE didn't run hard enough" or "WE weren't good enough".. That's taking accountability, something neither player or manager has done for the past few years. We were shit, but everyone has a shit day at the office. It doesn't mean we have to start dropping or sacking everyone. I saw a stat that we had the highest XG in the league for goals for and the third lowest XG for goals against. I don't usually look into XG stats but there's a pattern there that something is working. |
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Post by digs on Sept 24, 2024 8:14:34 GMT 1
It's all part of the Masterplan,let teams think they can beat us by not bothering to run and fail to pass forwards,and pretending we've never seen a football before.
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 24, 2024 9:24:34 GMT 1
Poor interview. It’s very negative, it feels like he is looking for excuses. It’s almost like they want us to feel sorry for them. After being “out run” and “out fought” by Northampton, Duff’s words not mine that’s not happening. This is why some of these legacy players need dropping. You've also decided to not hear (or if you did hear it, not comment on it to set your own agenda) the part where both said "WE didn't run hard enough" or "WE weren't good enough".. That's taking accountability, something neither player or manager has done for the past few years. We were shit, but everyone has a shit day at the office. It doesn't mean we have to start dropping or sacking everyone. I saw a stat that we had the highest XG in the league for goals for and the third lowest XG for goals against. I don't usually look into XG stats but there's a pattern there that something is working. We have suffered with negativity for years. This is a negative interview from a negative professional. Grow a pair and come out fighting not looking for lame excuses. |
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Post by tottz on Sept 24, 2024 9:26:36 GMT 1
My view on Saturday and the start to the season is that we have a number of issues to overcome.
In terms of mentality, the players have a collective PTSD and a heap of bad habits. That will take time to iron out and it's no surprise we disintegrated on Saturday when things went against us. We reverted to type.
My biggest concern so far is Duff's tactical rigidity. He has left us exposed in games quite a lot. Walsall killed me. Same weakness targeted again and again and again, but he didn't do anything to stop it.
I know he adapted his system at previous clubs after things went wrong. I just hope he does it sooner rather than later with us.
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Post by ram on Sept 24, 2024 11:20:05 GMT 1
Downbeat and boring,so much so I nearly fell asleep.I wole up when Jethro came on.
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Post by detox on Sept 24, 2024 11:39:01 GMT 1
My personal view is that more needs to change at the club than we realise. I think MD has become increasingly aware of this over the past couple of months. MD has said, more than once, that the club has basically struggled on the pitch over the past number of years, bar the outlier seasons. He has also mentioned the underdog mentality that was fostered, successfully for a short period, needs to change. I don't think this has been really acknowledged as the underlying issue by Mr Nagle and his team. The culture needs to change across the entire club. That might be happening outside the dressing room but inside the wildly inconsistent performances would suggest there is still a problem. I would say that it isn't just down to mindset. Saturday was a case in point of things not working on the pitch and a different tactical approach was needed. That change happened far too late. I suppose adaptability could be linked with mental fragility but that might be offering an excuse for MD not changing things. Signing technically competent players, at this level ie good enough to be promoted, is one thing. Identifying characters who are leaders, resilient and essentially winners is something different. I do think there's enough ability in the squad to be promoted but do they individually and collectively fully believe in themselves? That's a different question. Winning games breeds confidence of course. It is therefore down to MD to find a way to do that. However if there is a mental block/too much latent baggage across the squad then that becomes tougher. I think this is one of the reasons why we need to stick with MD for the long term. Since Carlos left there have been too many different voices and no coherent strategy. The issue that MD does need to be aware of is his own approach to games. When asked if he would consider a different approach (after Saturday) his answer was, essentially, "no we need to do plan A better". In a dressing room of cynics and fragility that might not be the best option. Time will of course tell but what needs to really happen is for the likes of Edwards and Cartwright to sit back and report effectively to Mr Nagle what the extent of the issues are. For Mr Nagle's part he needs to listen and reflect on what more needs to be done. If we are to transition to a club that aspires to challenge towards the upper echelons of the EFL then more is required. That needs to be substantial and sustained. At the moment we are, in reality, a long way away from making that long term change. Short term it's about winning games of football, which will help (to change things) so MD has to find away to do that. 'Winning games breeds confidence' ...yes, and we won our first 3 games but performances have progressively deteriorated since then..and we've now lost 4 out of 5 . So losing games destroys confidence I presume in which case you look for an inner strength and determination within the squad...something we haven't seen for some years and something (after Saturday)that looks to be non existent . For me , there's the rub...I look at the 'lightweights' in the squad, the 'fragile little souls' like Wiles..like Rudoni was, like Headley, like Sorensen, Evans... What we need is a seasoned experience midfield player (not Hogg) who can run the game, buck up his team mates, guide them, help them, encourage them, direct them...? |
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Post by malcolmbrown on Sept 24, 2024 11:42:38 GMT 1
The standout observation from me of Saturday was the abysmal technical skills on display. Passing inaccurately at the wrong pace to the wrong people. Also the lack of urgency or desire to run into space. Both those things almost negate the tactical issues.
I've watched Town since the 70s. I'm struggling to remember many games as depressing and let's face it this is Town so it's not like I'm not spoilt for choice!
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Post by Maynardblue on Sept 24, 2024 11:49:25 GMT 1
I know what Lees is trying to say but it's NOT unrealistic to expect the team to run hard and match the oppositions desire 46 games out of 46. This should be bare minimum.
He's trying to excuse a lack of effort on Saturday imo which is way different from unrealistic expectations.
Of course we can't play well and win every week, but we can put maximum effort and commitment EVERY WEEK - he's deluded if he thinks anything less is acceptable
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Post by Kirchenglocken on Sept 24, 2024 12:39:27 GMT 1
I know what Lees is trying to say but it's NOT unrealistic to expect the team to run hard and match the oppositions desire 46 games out of 46. This should be bare minimum. He's trying to excuse a lack of effort on Saturday imo which is way different from unrealistic expectations. Of course we can't play well and win every week, but we can put maximum effort and commitment EVERY WEEK - he's deluded if he thinks anything less is acceptable I think he was responding to the suggestion of players thinking 3 points are in the bag and can slack off. That wouldn't be making excuses but adressing the lack of effort itself. Will concede questions and answers are sometimes generalised but his comments were more aimed at the players and club imo than the fans. |
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Post by westislandterrier on Sept 24, 2024 13:12:04 GMT 1
Tonight will show us a lot of insight of the mentality of the players...
There SURELY has to be a reaction to the debacle on Saturday as if we are just gonna go thru the daily motions and be like all of our daily motions (shite) then we could have a long season...
I’ve went for a draw as Blackpool could be stuffy to break down especially if they sneak the lead - but a draw is what ma Head is telling me at the minute anyway...
And surely a good bit of graft to get my predicted draw is the bear minimum please Micheal and your Terriers !
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 24, 2024 14:43:36 GMT 1
I have said it before and i will say it again: When we come up against physically strong sides we can't match them look at the 3 home games, second half out muscled by Stevenage, all the game against Shrewsbury they were stronger and the first half on Saturday was a disgrace. Of course Town fans know we can't and won't win every game but what they do expect is effort and been able to match players physically, tonight will be our toughest game yet.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 24, 2024 15:14:35 GMT 1
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Post by mosher on Sept 24, 2024 15:25:13 GMT 1
That's why I liked Herr Wagner's "extreme" training camp. Take the pampered fkrs out of their comfort zones. |
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Post by ldotm on Sept 24, 2024 16:17:50 GMT 1
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