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Post by dezzly on Oct 1, 2024 12:10:37 GMT 1
We're ponderous at getting up the pitch. There's 3 ways of progressing the ball up the pitch that I can think of... 1) A direct ball to a target man who holds it up. We don't have this in our locker, closest would be Ladapo but I don't think he's a target man really. 2) Incisive passing through the thirds. Less said about this the better. 3) Dribbling up the pitch. We don't have any ball carriers. Look at the two decent sides we've had in the last few years. The 16/17 team had options 2 and 3. Mooy could play passes that anyone since could only dream of and VLP for all his flaws could beat 3 men and carry the ball 40 yards. Neither ever adequately replaced. The 21/22 side wasn't as good to watch as 16/17 but LOB was a brilliant and unorthadox ball carrier in midfield. He set most of our moves going or created so many set pieces winning the ball on the edge of our box and then driving forward and skipping past a couple of lunges before releasing a marauding Toffolo. You could tell LOB was originally a wide player. Not replaced him either. This current side has so few options. The possession we do have is usually harmless passing between defenders on or around half way. We have no direct outball unless an opposition is that high that Koroma can get in behind and we don't have a single player who can break at speed with the ball at feet. This being L1, loads of sides wont have these things either and the way round it is to be solid, do the basics well and just wait on the other team to fuck up like Bolton did (its L1, they almost always will fuck up). But we cant even do that at the moment, in fact we're the ones fucking up and then once we have life's even easier for the opposition as we're toothless for reasons already said above. This is why I don't think May or Taylor was the key signing and we could have both now and still look the same. We either needed a top tier for the level target man, a Mooy type who could draw 2 or 3 players in then play an incisive pass or a flying wideman and we've got none of these. Totally agree.I know he’s nowhere near the player mooy was but herbie Kane is probably the one in the squad capable of taking players out of the game with his passing.The problem being is that he’s either not been match fit or not been injury free. Someone else mentioned the passing being slow also,it’s just not incisive enough,it’s never,or very rarely a crisp pass where someone can just concentrate on a good first touch and make another pass.They’re largely a yard or two off target so the recipient has to fetch it from behind them or stretch one way or the other,either one killing any chance of creating some space as opposition are allowed that split second to get further into position. Will Kane get fit and help with this who knows,he certainly looked like that player against morcambe…but it was morcambe and maybe why he got away with not being match fit. For the time being I’d be concentrating on being hard to beat,getting runners like Kasumu in the side and keeping evans in for set piece threat…it could go a long way in the short term. |
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Post by leftbacklegion on Oct 1, 2024 13:43:11 GMT 1
Serious question, is the shit-show too turdy?
It might come down to one glaring issue: our recruitment strategy is inexplicable, and anyone we do sign seem to regress almost immediately. There’s no development. None.
I got to thinking about the pace we desperately lack, and those rare cases where we've had speedsters but who were total balloons; the speed twins, VLP, Simpson (although he seemed a good lad). It’s like Town have this blind spot when it comes to finding players who have both pace and an end product, or someone raw that we can actually polish (*turd).
Take Peterborough on opening day, they had a lad upfront how was frightening fast, Shrewsbury had a couple of burners, and even one of Northampton's fullbacks had some serious wheels. Now, I’m not saying we should be raiding these clubs for talent, but they’re finding players who can hurt us.
We’re crying out for a few lads who can dig us out of trouble - someone like a LG1 Kyle Walker - or at least come on for the last 20-30 to stretch teams and give us an outlet. It would make a world of difference.
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Post by royrace on Oct 1, 2024 15:44:52 GMT 1
Serious question, is the shit-show too turdy? It might come down to one glaring issue: our recruitment strategy is inexplicable, and anyone we do sign seem to regress almost immediately. There’s no development. None. I got to thinking about the pace we desperately lack, and those rare cases where we've had speedsters but who were total balloons; the speed twins, VLP, Simpson (although he seemed a good lad). It’s like Town have this blind spot when it comes to finding players who have both pace and an end product, or someone raw that we can actually polish (*turd). Take Peterborough on opening day, they had a lad upfront how was frightening fast, Shrewsbury had a couple of burners, and even one of Northampton's fullbacks had some serious wheels. Now, I’m not saying we should be raiding these clubs for talent, but they’re finding players who can hurt us. We’re crying out for a few lads who can dig us out of trouble - someone like a LG1 Kyle Walker - or at least come on for the last 20-30 to stretch teams and give us an outlet. It would make a world of difference. Please don't mention VLP in the same sentence as those others! I know he splits opinion but he took us to the PL and I for one absolutely loved watching him play. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 1, 2024 17:03:36 GMT 1
Serious question, is the shit-show too turdy? It might come down to one glaring issue: our recruitment strategy is inexplicable, and anyone we do sign seem to regress almost immediately. There’s no development. None. I got to thinking about the pace we desperately lack, and those rare cases where we've had speedsters but who were total balloons; the speed twins, VLP, Simpson (although he seemed a good lad). It’s like Town have this blind spot when it comes to finding players who have both pace and an end product, or someone raw that we can actually polish (*turd). Take Peterborough on opening day, they had a lad upfront how was frightening fast, Shrewsbury had a couple of burners, and even one of Northampton's fullbacks had some serious wheels. Now, I’m not saying we should be raiding these clubs for talent, but they’re finding players who can hurt us. We’re crying out for a few lads who can dig us out of trouble - someone like a LG1 Kyle Walker - or at least come on for the last 20-30 to stretch teams and give us an outlet. It would make a world of difference. Please don't mention VLP in the same sentence as those others! I know he splits opinion but he took us to the PL and I for one absolutely loved watching him play. Totally agree. Flair, unpredictability plus tireless work to get us up the park. Qualities we possess absolutely none of at the moment. |
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Post by jp on Oct 1, 2024 17:22:32 GMT 1
VlP was electric. A prem animal who could track and break devastatingly… rarely with much back up. We didn’t play to strengths, namely an overlapping fullback who could cross, which all the prem teams had.
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Oct 1, 2024 17:23:51 GMT 1
VLP, going past the Brighton players while juggling the ball, awesome.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 1, 2024 17:25:03 GMT 1
VLP, going past the Brighton players while juggling the ball, awesome. Best individual performance by a Town player in the last decade that night. |
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Post by runner76 on Oct 1, 2024 17:50:39 GMT 1
Please don't mention VLP in the same sentence as those others! I know he splits opinion but he took us to the PL and I for one absolutely loved watching him play. Totally agree. Flair, unpredictability plus tireless work to get us up the park. Qualities we possess absolutely none of at the moment. Sadly....and qualities you often get in positions such as wingers, which we don't play... |
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Post by leftbacklegion on Oct 1, 2024 19:53:06 GMT 1
Please don't mention VLP in the same sentence as those others! I know he splits opinion but he took us to the PL and I for one absolutely loved watching him play. Totally agree. Flair, unpredictability plus tireless work to get us up the park. Qualities we possess absolutely none of at the moment. It's a forum, we all have an opinion. Saw it differently. He was incredibly frustrating, ran down blind alleys, gave away probably more chances to the opposition than he created with a poor touch or being dispossessed, played for himself more often than not, and actually scored one less than Mbenza. |
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Post by shawsie on Oct 1, 2024 20:46:41 GMT 1
I think we look slow because of a couple of things, Firstly, players constantly receive the ball with their back to goal, why? No one ever scored facing away from the oppositions goal. Which leads me nicely one to my next point, This leads to us playing it backwards, which leads to a sideways pass, it's risk averse. Countless times our players never turn in to space and move forward, with speed in deed and thought. It's annoying. We aren't a bad side, we need to move it faster, we're so pedestrian at times. It's a Wagner thing Pass it back, keep possession, recycle. Ingrained into Hogg and fed through to every new player who comes through the door. Wagner had mooy though. We havent had anyone bearing even a passing resemblance to that lad since. |
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Post by ldr on Oct 1, 2024 20:53:18 GMT 1
It's a Wagner thing Pass it back, keep possession, recycle. Ingrained into Hogg and fed through to every new player who comes through the door. Wagner had mooy though. We havent had anyone bearing even a passing resemblance to that lad since. Mooy was the heartbeat of the team. So much quality, so much time, so much influence. |
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Post by ldr on Oct 1, 2024 20:58:38 GMT 1
Totally agree. Flair, unpredictability plus tireless work to get us up the park. Qualities we possess absolutely none of at the moment. It's a forum, we all have an opinion. Saw it differently. He was incredibly frustrating, ran down blind alleys, gave away probably more chances to the opposition than he created with a poor touch or being dispossessed, played for himself more often than not, and actually scored one less than Mbenza. As others have said, that quick movement up the pitch is a special quality and for all the frustrating elements of his game, his team mates will have loved him for the speedy way he changed the flow of games. What also cannot be underestimated was his role in helping us hold on in tight games. He kept defences honest and was a constant thorn with his direct and indirect running with the ball. Man U at home was a prime example of that. |
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Post by 28901 on Oct 1, 2024 21:25:52 GMT 1
It's a Wagner thing Pass it back, keep possession, recycle. Ingrained into Hogg and fed through to every new player who comes through the door. Wagner had mooy though. We havent had anyone bearing even a passing resemblance to that lad since. You can say that again |
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Post by Bubbles on Oct 1, 2024 21:33:53 GMT 1
Totally agree. Flair, unpredictability plus tireless work to get us up the park. Qualities we possess absolutely none of at the moment. It's a forum, we all have an opinion. Saw it differently. He was incredibly frustrating, ran down blind alleys, gave away probably more chances to the opposition than he created with a poor touch or being dispossessed, played for himself more often than not, and actually scored one less than Mbenza. Wasn’t just me then! So selfish,hardly ever an end product. Undoubtably talented,but he’d beat three men then come back to square one with it. Endless rolling around on the floor. That dive at Burnley when he could have scored but got booked instead. Yeah his goal against Stoke was great but wasn’t a team player,no comparison with Mooy for me. |
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Post by space hardware on Oct 1, 2024 21:35:43 GMT 1
Wagner had mooy though. We havent had anyone bearing even a passing resemblance to that lad since. Mooy was the heartbeat of the team. So much quality, so much time, so much influence. Mooy was a generational talent for us. I don't think we're asking for or expecting another Mooy, just someone who can perhaps pass it five yards without drilling it at 90mph or shank it out of play. |
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