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Post by Bubbles on Oct 2, 2024 15:18:33 GMT 1
I never understood his point. All we’ve wanted for years is a team who isn’t afraid. Scoring 3 against a promotion team with a bunch of misfits is positive because it’s the message it gives to the fans. Worthington might not be the answer but he definitely understands us. His point was pretty easy to understand; the initial bounce that Worthy got us had already disappeared. Even when we pumped the Wendies we only played well(ish) for 20 minutes when they collapsed. There was no way going that gung-ho would have lasted til the end of the season; as we witnessed it had already started to affect the players, they looked knackered after 3 games. Did I love the first few games he was in charge of? Hell yes, after Moore-ball it was a revelation seeing the players with the shackles off. Did I hope he'd be a revelation as a manager and take the job full time and do a Wagner? Oh my god yes; he was, is and always will be one of my favourite Town players so want him to do well whatever role. Did I want to see Worthy get the job full-time after those first few games? No, like I say the initial bounce had already worn off, plus Worthy always said he didn't want the job full-time and (in Worthy's words according to my boss' cousin playing for the Academy) his best place is with the kids. I think anything/anyone would have looked better after Moore (loved the Darren Bore name getting thrown about  ) but as we're seeing this season the spine of that side had no spine. I don't think any manager (even my favourite ever manager King Colin) would have kept us up last season with the players at our disposal. And for the record I don't believe htafcokay berated anyone initially for that opinion, but every time he mentioned what I've just posted he'd get ripped apart and inevitably retaliate. Myself and a couple of other posters put exactly the same opinion as him and didn't get half the dog's abuse.** ** Acknowledging that he gets wound up (a LOT) easier than me and his acerbic posting style sometimes brings it to him. Edit: reply could be appropriate for Bubbles too  Please note this is not a dig at anyone, we all have our opinions I agree with you FWIW,there's just ways and means of doing things,his wasn't it in my opinion. |
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Post by Mav on Oct 2, 2024 15:32:25 GMT 1
I think Nagle is a good man, well intentioned but horribly out of his depth. So he's appointed people he viewed as competent to oversee the day-to-day. The argument that the people in charge are competent becomes more and more untenable with every shit performance. This is not a blip. Peterborough and Bolton were the blips. I've mentioned elsewhere that there needs to be a root and branch audit of the club, but who is going to do that audit? Probably the very people who need shifting. I'm finding it difficult to defend Cartwright. I'm finding it increasingly difficult to defend Duff as well. And a large proportion of the playing staff. If we need to lose some good people to cut out the shite, so be it. We'll probably stay up this season but we're currently 5 points off the drop - with every sign that this slump will continue for the foreseeable future. For one of the preseason promotion favourites, is damning. Rip it up and start again. Fantastic summary Indeed. Excellent post. The only thing I would question is that is he out of his depth? Not sure. Probably in terms of English football but obviously a success in other walks of life. |
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Post by runner76 on Oct 2, 2024 15:38:10 GMT 1
I think Nagle is a good man, well intentioned but horribly out of his depth. So he's appointed people he viewed as competent to oversee the day-to-day. The argument that the people in charge are competent becomes more and more untenable with every shit performance. This is not a blip. Peterborough and Bolton were the blips. I've mentioned elsewhere that there needs to be a root and branch audit of the club, but who is going to do that audit? Probably the very people who need shifting. I'm finding it difficult to defend Cartwright. I'm finding it increasingly difficult to defend Duff as well. And a large proportion of the playing staff. If we need to lose some good people to cut out the shite, so be it. We'll probably stay up this season but we're currently 5 points off the drop - with every sign that this slump will continue for the foreseeable future. For one of the preseason promotion favourites, is damning. Rip it up and start again. Need an outside agency to do the audit. I’ve heard of one called Beswick Sports …. |
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Post by deucebigalow77 on Oct 2, 2024 15:39:38 GMT 1
I'm not doubting you for one minute but could you possibly share a link on here showing the stats ? I'd be really interested to see them Here is a link to a 10 year league table. footballrates.com/lasttenyears.html#Thank you. We've been pretty shite tbh |
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 2, 2024 20:33:25 GMT 1
Indeed. Excellent post. The only thing I would question is that is he out of his depth? Not sure. Probably in terms of English football but obviously a success in other walks of life. Yes, sorry. To clarify I meant solely in English football. Although on reflection I'm not sure that I was being fair. Off the pitch it's difficult to find fault with his tenure. Stadium upgrades, looking for how best to drive income streams to cement our place at a higher level, investing (both financially and emotionally!) wholeheartedly in the area. Academy upgrades etc. Communication from him along with Justasmithers is as good as we've ever had. It's just on the pitch we're utterly shambolic. And I'm not sure why. It's not that he's refused to put his hand in his pocket. Sure, we're not matching Birmingham but they really are a one-off. At least two teams this season (and let's face it, it's unlikely to be 3!) will get promotion from this division without spending anywhere near Birmingham City's level. I still think we were right not to match them for Alfie May. There's something about this club that - 2021/22 season apart - has been dreadful since summer 2018. Everything (on paper) at the moment points to us being serious promotion candidates. And yet there's a malaise around the club that seems to be affecting the new recruits every bit as much as the ones who have been here the last few years. Kane was attracting Championship interest, Evans was widely regarded as one of the best midfielders at this level. Even Wiles showed in a few games at the beginning of the season that he can play football when he wants to, and yet he's now arguably even worse than last season. And whilst I disagree with the tactics used so far, I don't think they are the only problem. |
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 2, 2024 20:34:50 GMT 1
I think Nagle is a good man, well intentioned but horribly out of his depth. So he's appointed people he viewed as competent to oversee the day-to-day. The argument that the people in charge are competent becomes more and more untenable with every shit performance. This is not a blip. Peterborough and Bolton were the blips. I've mentioned elsewhere that there needs to be a root and branch audit of the club, but who is going to do that audit? Probably the very people who need shifting. I'm finding it difficult to defend Cartwright. I'm finding it increasingly difficult to defend Duff as well. And a large proportion of the playing staff. If we need to lose some good people to cut out the shite, so be it. We'll probably stay up this season but we're currently 5 points off the drop - with every sign that this slump will continue for the foreseeable future. For one of the preseason promotion favourites, is damning. Rip it up and start again. Need an outside agency to do the audit. I’ve heard of one called Beswick Sports …. If only we had someone linked to them who could set that up... |
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Post by robinvar on Oct 2, 2024 22:29:01 GMT 1
8 years ago I had one of the best away nights ever at Villa Park, leaving with a feeling we might just be on to something. Spool forward and they are loving life in the champs league. No way am I saying we are as big a club but wow how far have we fallen since. Icarus like we soared in our own way and then have hurtled downwards, with a little flap of the play off final. Sadly I've seen us fall before and it hurts just as much now. Dont have a say and no way to influence it, but please can we have a modicum of hope. Starting on Saturday. Feels like Groundhog Day from last season.
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Post by shawsie on Oct 3, 2024 0:16:59 GMT 1
8 years ago I had one of the best away nights ever at Villa Park, leaving with a feeling we might just be on to something. Spool forward and they are loving life in the champs league. No way am I saying we are as big a club but wow how far have we fallen since. Icarus like we soared in our own way and then have hurtled downwards, with a little flap of the play off final. Sadly I've seen us fall before and it hurts just as much now. Dont have a say and no way to influence it, but please can we have a modicum of hope. Starting on Saturday. Feels like Groundhog Day from last season. Thought exactly the same watching tonite. |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 3, 2024 1:07:44 GMT 1
Indeed. Excellent post. The only thing I would question is that is he out of his depth? Not sure. Probably in terms of English football but obviously a success in other walks of life. Yes, sorry. To clarify I meant solely in English football. Although on reflection I'm not sure that I was being fair. Off the pitch it's difficult to find fault with his tenure. Stadium upgrades, looking for how best to drive income streams to cement our place at a higher level, investing (both financially and emotionally!) wholeheartedly in the area. Academy upgrades etc. Communication from him along with Justasmithers is as good as we've ever had. It's just on the pitch we're utterly shambolic. And I'm not sure why. It's not that he's refused to put his hand in his pocket. Sure, we're not matching Birmingham but they really are a one-off. At least two teams this season (and let's face it, it's unlikely to be 3!) will get promotion from this division without spending anywhere near Birmingham City's level. I still think we were right not to match them for Alfie May. There's something about this club that - 2021/22 season apart - has been dreadful since summer 2018. Everything (on paper) at the moment points to us being serious promotion candidates. And yet there's a malaise around the club that seems to be affecting the new recruits every bit as much as the ones who have been here the last few years. Kane was attracting Championship interest, Evans was widely regarded as one of the best midfielders at this level. Even Wiles showed in a few games at the beginning of the season that he can play football when he wants to, and yet he's now arguably even worse than last season. And whilst I disagree with the tactics used so far, I don't think they are the only problem. Wiles did NOT show that at all…he was rubbish through pre season and kicked into the season looking as hopeless and weak willed as always, masked by five half decent minutes here and there. That he’s a regular first choice pick is a huge part of why we are where we are. |
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 3, 2024 10:04:06 GMT 1
Yes, sorry. To clarify I meant solely in English football. Although on reflection I'm not sure that I was being fair. Off the pitch it's difficult to find fault with his tenure. Stadium upgrades, looking for how best to drive income streams to cement our place at a higher level, investing (both financially and emotionally!) wholeheartedly in the area. Academy upgrades etc. Communication from him along with Justasmithers is as good as we've ever had. It's just on the pitch we're utterly shambolic. And I'm not sure why. It's not that he's refused to put his hand in his pocket. Sure, we're not matching Birmingham but they really are a one-off. At least two teams this season (and let's face it, it's unlikely to be 3!) will get promotion from this division without spending anywhere near Birmingham City's level. I still think we were right not to match them for Alfie May. There's something about this club that - 2021/22 season apart - has been dreadful since summer 2018. Everything (on paper) at the moment points to us being serious promotion candidates. And yet there's a malaise around the club that seems to be affecting the new recruits every bit as much as the ones who have been here the last few years. Kane was attracting Championship interest, Evans was widely regarded as one of the best midfielders at this level. Even Wiles showed in a few games at the beginning of the season that he can play football when he wants to, and yet he's now arguably even worse than last season. And whilst I disagree with the tactics used so far, I don't think they are the only problem. Wiles did NOT show that at all…he was rubbish through pre season and kicked into the season looking as hopeless and weak willed as always, masked by five half decent minutes here and there. That he’s a regular first choice pick is a huge part of why we are where we are. See, from what I saw I thought Wiles was decent in preseason*, and the general consensus seemed to agree with that. I also thought he was good for the first few games of the season. Opening fixture in particular, he and Antony Evans caused all sorts of problems for Peterborough. But, since the first few games there's been little to shout about. And I agree that him being a seemingly automatic first team pick is baffling. TBH, walking away from London Road I thought we could really be on to something with both him and Evans, but now I think it's more a case that Peterborough played into our hands a bit - and both have been disappointing. For me, if you're going to play either Wiles or Evans, you need to play much more mobile players (i.e. Kasumu and Hodge) alongside them to compensate for them being anonymous for most of the game. * Reece Brown looked good in preseason here as well and he's without a club after Forest Green binned him off. I don't tend to give much weight to preseason performances or results. |
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Post by wildhogg on Oct 3, 2024 10:28:31 GMT 1
Wiles did NOT show that at all…he was rubbish through pre season and kicked into the season looking as hopeless and weak willed as always, masked by five half decent minutes here and there. That he’s a regular first choice pick is a huge part of why we are where we are. See, from what I saw I thought Wiles was decent in preseason*, and the general consensus seemed to agree with that. I also thought he was good for the first few games of the season. Opening fixture in particular, he and Antony Evans caused all sorts of problems for Peterborough. But, since the first few games there's been little to shout about. And I agree that him being a seemingly automatic first team pick is baffling. TBH, walking away from London Road I thought we could really be on to something with both him and Evans, but now I think it's more a case that Peterborough played into our hands a bit - and both have been disappointing. For me, if you're going to play either Wiles or Evans, you need to play much more mobile players (i.e. Kasumu and Hodge) alongside them to compensate for them being anonymous for most of the game. * Reece Brown looked good in preseason here as well and he's without a club after Forest Green binned him off. I don't tend to give much weight to preseason performances or results. Wiles occasionally shows bits of class on the ball, but in the main he's pretty worthless to the team; either giving the ball away with wayward passing, or by being brushed off it like a small child. I, like many, hoped that he'd kick on and that we'd see him turn opinions around after a lack of pre-season before we signed him and then several injuries. What we're getting now after a full pre-season is the best were going to get from him. He's shite, almost embarassing. Another dead loss we're stuck with. I've rarely seen an experienced professional footballer look so feeble in possession. Evans still has some time to turn early opinions of him around. However, there's a reason neither Birmingham nor a club at a higher level signed him; which we're probably seeing at the moment. He just looks uncomfortable, vulnerable and lethargic on the ball. Often he just looks like he just doesn't give a toss. Hodge has got to start games. He's busy, retains possession and gets stuck in. Poles apart from Wiles and Evans. Kasumu has got to start games, which I never thought I'd say. A limited footballer, no doubt. However, out of what we have available, he's got to be a better option than two lads whose body language alone makes it appear like they couldn't give less of a fuck about our club if they tried. I actually reckon Wiles genuinely doesn't give a fuck. I never see him making any attempts whatsoever to inject himself into games and make a difference. Whilst I'm in rant mode, the same goes for Bojan; whose only display of passion and enthusiasm on the pitch for us thus far came when he was celebrating scoring into the same goal as his hero Peter Crouch. I actually laughed out loud when I found out that he wasn't weeping into his shirt because he'd bagged his first goal for us after a frustrating period. Have we done ANY due diligence regarding the character and personality of some of the players we've signed over the last two years? |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 3, 2024 12:56:27 GMT 1
Wiles did NOT show that at all…he was rubbish through pre season and kicked into the season looking as hopeless and weak willed as always, masked by five half decent minutes here and there. That he’s a regular first choice pick is a huge part of why we are where we are. See, from what I saw I thought Wiles was decent in preseason*, and the general consensus seemed to agree with that. I also thought he was good for the first few games of the season. Opening fixture in particular, he and Antony Evans caused all sorts of problems for Peterborough. But, since the first few games there's been little to shout about. And I agree that him being a seemingly automatic first team pick is baffling. TBH, walking away from London Road I thought we could really be on to something with both him and Evans, but now I think it's more a case that Peterborough played into our hands a bit - and both have been disappointing. For me, if you're going to play either Wiles or Evans, you need to play much more mobile players (i.e. Kasumu and Hodge) alongside them to compensate for them being anonymous for most of the game. * Reece Brown looked good in preseason here as well and he's without a club after Forest Green binned him off. I don't tend to give much weight to preseason performances or results.I think that general consensus was misguided by the poor quality of the opposition. Wiles (and players like Radulovic even) did do some good stuff in pre-season, but when you weighed up who they were facing, and the talent they had around them in support, you could clearly see they're not going to have true value in anything other than as basic squad players - if you're battling for promotion you need more than a handful of game changers. Wiles dropped his head in frustration even against Guiseley, despite scoring...Radulovic would not have stood out if he'd been playing for the other team, despite scoring. Of course I was ridiculed for suggesting this, and continuing to point out Wiles failings even whilst he scored in the two opening games...I tend to focus on watching the performance rather than have my opinion swayed by the outcomes, in regards to individual players and the overall team - if you did that, you could see where things were likely heading despite the early good looking results. I've lost interest now, Wiles and Evans must be playing to a system/plan, they aren't being pulled out wide by the opposition, and that system is totally and obviously flawed and is not going to end up with many goal scoring chances and is going to see us continually run ragged through the middle...might as well sit back and enjoy the pretty boring ride, at some point, no point slating the players, MD *has* to adapt what he's instructing them to do, otherwise we're going to be in a relegation dog-fight. Normally you see these things fixed during an international break. |
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 3, 2024 13:17:11 GMT 1
See, from what I saw I thought Wiles was decent in preseason*, and the general consensus seemed to agree with that. I also thought he was good for the first few games of the season. Opening fixture in particular, he and Antony Evans caused all sorts of problems for Peterborough. But, since the first few games there's been little to shout about. And I agree that him being a seemingly automatic first team pick is baffling. TBH, walking away from London Road I thought we could really be on to something with both him and Evans, but now I think it's more a case that Peterborough played into our hands a bit - and both have been disappointing. For me, if you're going to play either Wiles or Evans, you need to play much more mobile players (i.e. Kasumu and Hodge) alongside them to compensate for them being anonymous for most of the game. * Reece Brown looked good in preseason here as well and he's without a club after Forest Green binned him off. I don't tend to give much weight to preseason performances or results. Wiles occasionally shows bits of class on the ball, but in the main he's pretty worthless to the team; either giving the ball away with wayward passing, or by being brushed off it like a small child. I, like many, hoped that he'd kick on and that we'd see him turn opinions around after a lack of pre-season before we signed him and then several injuries. What we're getting now after a full pre-season is the best were going to get from him. He's shite, almost embarassing. Another dead loss we're stuck with. I've rarely seen an experienced professional footballer look so feeble in possession. Evans still has some time to turn early opinions of him around. However, there's a reason neither Birmingham nor a club at a higher level signed him; which we're probably seeing at the moment. He just looks uncomfortable, vulnerable and lethargic on the ball. Often he just looks like he just doesn't give a toss. Hodge has got to start games. He's busy, retains possession and gets stuck in. Poles apart from Wiles and Evans. Kasumu has got to start games, which I never thought I'd say. A limited footballer, no doubt. However, out of what we have available, he's got to be a better option than two lads whose body language alone makes it appear like they couldn't give less of a fuck about our club if they tried. I actually reckon Wiles genuinely doesn't give a fuck. I never see him making any attempts whatsoever to inject himself into games and make a difference. Whilst I'm in rant mode, the same goes for Bojan; whose only display of passion and enthusiasm on the pitch for us thus far came when he was celebrating scoring into the same goal as his hero Peter Crouch. I actually laughed out loud when I found out that he wasn't weeping into his shirt because he'd bagged his first goal for us after a frustrating period. Have we done ANY due diligence regarding the character and personality of some of the players we've signed over the last two years? That sounds like something some bloke in the pub made up. Not calling you a liar, but do you have a source? |
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Post by Richard1986 on Oct 3, 2024 13:40:48 GMT 1
The Nagle Era has been an absolute shambles so far He needs to come across for at least a month, take in all the games and see what it is like. Surely any meeting he needs to do can he done over the internet? That’s just not going to happen though is it? To me there is a gap between the football side of things and the business side of things. Someone in mould of Warnock, Allardyce or Harry Redknapp could be recruited to fill that gap. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Oct 3, 2024 13:47:12 GMT 1
The forum is rotten to the core and contributes massively to the negative vibe of HTFC. The best thing KN could do is log off this forum and never log back on. Duff needs time , no chance with the datm bed wetters. Yes we are on a bad streak , but so many factors as to why and patience isn’t around on this forum. We now as a fan base need to get behind duff and the team and Nagle and show what being a supporter is all about , in the stadium it’s possible on here no chance.
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Post by pinstripe on Oct 3, 2024 14:15:41 GMT 1
LinkedIn · Mark Cartwright 5.1K+ followers United Kingdom · Sporting Director · Huddersfield Town Football Club A highly dedicated, motivated, passionate, and committed senior football executive with a proven track record of overachievement in a wide variety of areas well let’s see how stoke are doing when Cartwright isn’t in the building.. ..6-1 to stoke you say? |
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Post by softboy on Oct 3, 2024 14:56:43 GMT 1
I’m assuming when people say Rotten to the Core they are referring to the owner.
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 3, 2024 15:01:16 GMT 1
I’m assuming when people say Rotten to the Core they are referring to the owner. I hope not. If there's one person at the club that I've utterly bought into it's the owner. |
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Post by softboy on Oct 3, 2024 15:07:13 GMT 1
The word ‘Core’ relates to the centre, fundamental, the base of everything so I think it’s fair to say that whilst other members of staff are mentioned this thread is essentially aimed at the owner. For me I don’t agree
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Post by Scott Chegg on Oct 3, 2024 15:31:11 GMT 1
The forum is rotten to the core and contributes massively to the negative vibe of HTFC. The best thing KN could do is log off this forum and never log back on. Duff needs time , no chance with the datm bed wetters. Yes we are on a bad streak , but so many factors as to why and patience isn’t around on this forum. We now as a fan base need to get behind duff and the team and Nagle and show what being a supporter is all about , in the stadium it’s possible on here no chance. Yes it's all the fans' fault. |
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Post by cyberman on Oct 3, 2024 15:45:41 GMT 1
LinkedIn · Mark Cartwright 5.1K+ followers United Kingdom · Sporting Director · Huddersfield Town Football Club A highly dedicated, motivated, passionate, and committed senior football executive with a proven track record of overachievement in a wide variety of areas Undeachievement more like - the guy is about as much use as a pair of soiled grundies when you visit your GP.... |
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Post by mosher on Oct 3, 2024 15:48:53 GMT 1
LinkedIn · Mark Cartwright 5.1K+ followers United Kingdom · Sporting Director · Huddersfield Town Football Club A highly dedicated, motivated, passionate, and committed senior football executive with a proven track record of overachievement in a wide variety of areas Undeachievement more like - the guy is about as much use as a pair of soiled grundies when you visit your GP.... Depends if your GP has asked for a sample or not  |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Oct 3, 2024 16:13:15 GMT 1
The forum is rotten to the core and contributes massively to the negative vibe of HTFC. The best thing KN could do is log off this forum and never log back on. Duff needs time , no chance with the datm bed wetters. Yes we are on a bad streak , but so many factors as to why and patience isn’t around on this forum. We now as a fan base need to get behind duff and the team and Nagle and show what being a supporter is all about , in the stadium it’s possible on here no chance. I can tell you're not a bed wetter but a very smart guy, you get it's all the fans fault. Nagle, Duff, the team and the tea lady obviously spend hours reading DATM. Bed wetting as clearly resulted in a manager with no tactical nous, striker's who would struggle to strike a match, players who can't be arsed, cold tea at half time and those dam fans moaning about yet another defeat in L1. Like you we need a stiff upper lip and a commode as we go onward and downward. |
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Oct 3, 2024 18:16:07 GMT 1
8 years ago I had one of the best away nights ever at Villa Park, leaving with a feeling we might just be on to something. Spool forward and they are loving life in the champs league. No way am I saying we are as big a club but wow how far have we fallen since. Icarus like we soared in our own way and then have hurtled downwards, with a little flap of the play off final. Sadly I've seen us fall before and it hurts just as much now. Dont have a say and no way to influence it, but please can we have a modicum of hope. Starting on Saturday. Feels like Groundhog Day from last season. Maybe Jimmy Mac went onto their forum. San Siro in 3 years.... they followed through with European football. Was watching the game last night, and I for some reason was so happy for their fans to have a night like that beating European giants in Bayern. It got me thinking back to when Heffele scored with his arse or his back I can't quite remember which one. I remember us hitting the post that night from a free kick, who took that? Anyone recall? Makes me miss Aaron Mooy more too, he was exceptional that night. |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 3, 2024 18:56:59 GMT 1
I never understood his point. All we’ve wanted for years is a team who isn’t afraid. Scoring 3 against a promotion team with a bunch of misfits is positive because it’s the message it gives to the fans. Worthington might not be the answer but he definitely understands us. His point was pretty easy to understand; the initial bounce that Worthy got us had already disappeared. Even when we pumped the Wendies we only played well(ish) for 20 minutes when they collapsed. There was no way going that gung-ho would have lasted til the end of the season; as we witnessed it had already started to affect the players, they looked knackered after 3 games. Did I love the first few games he was in charge of? Hell yes, after Moore-ball it was a revelation seeing the players with the shackles off. Did I hope he'd be a revelation as a manager and take the job full time and do a Wagner? Oh my god yes; he was, is and always will be one of my favourite Town players so want him to do well whatever role. Did I want to see Worthy get the job full-time after those first few games? No, like I say the initial bounce had already worn off, plus Worthy always said he didn't want the job full-time and (in Worthy's words according to my boss' cousin playing for the Academy) his best place is with the kids. I think anything/anyone would have looked better after Moore (loved the Darren Bore name getting thrown about ) but as we're seeing this season the spine of that side had no spine. I don't think any manager (even my favourite ever manager King Colin) would have kept us up last season with the players at our disposal.And for the record I don't believe htafcokay berated anyone initially for that opinion, but every time he mentioned what I've just posted he'd get ripped apart and inevitably retaliate. Myself and a couple of other posters put exactly the same opinion as him and didn't get half the dog's abuse.** ** Acknowledging that he gets wound up (a LOT) easier than me and his acerbic posting style sometimes brings it to him. Edit: reply could be appropriate for Bubbles too Please note this is not a dig at anyone, we all have our opinions As bad as DM was we were out of the relegation zone and in a place where we were beginning to look safe until we set on our worst manager in recent times and dropped like a stone. Even DM may have kept us up, your favourite if we had brought him back could have done, but AB was disastrous. |
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Post by mosher on Oct 3, 2024 19:02:54 GMT 1
His point was pretty easy to understand; the initial bounce that Worthy got us had already disappeared. Even when we pumped the Wendies we only played well(ish) for 20 minutes when they collapsed. There was no way going that gung-ho would have lasted til the end of the season; as we witnessed it had already started to affect the players, they looked knackered after 3 games. Did I love the first few games he was in charge of? Hell yes, after Moore-ball it was a revelation seeing the players with the shackles off. Did I hope he'd be a revelation as a manager and take the job full time and do a Wagner? Oh my god yes; he was, is and always will be one of my favourite Town players so want him to do well whatever role. Did I want to see Worthy get the job full-time after those first few games? No, like I say the initial bounce had already worn off, plus Worthy always said he didn't want the job full-time and (in Worthy's words according to my boss' cousin playing for the Academy) his best place is with the kids. I think anything/anyone would have looked better after Moore (loved the Darren Bore name getting thrown about ) but as we're seeing this season the spine of that side had no spine. I don't think any manager (even my favourite ever manager King Colin) would have kept us up last season with the players at our disposal.And for the record I don't believe htafcokay berated anyone initially for that opinion, but every time he mentioned what I've just posted he'd get ripped apart and inevitably retaliate. Myself and a couple of other posters put exactly the same opinion as him and didn't get half the dog's abuse.** ** Acknowledging that he gets wound up (a LOT) easier than me and his acerbic posting style sometimes brings it to him. Edit: reply could be appropriate for Bubbles too Please note this is not a dig at anyone, we all have our opinions As bad as DM was we were out of the relegation zone and in a place where we were beginning to look safe until we set on our worst manager in recent times and dropped like a stone. Even DM may have kept us up, your favourite if we had brought him back could have done, but AB was disastrous. Oh yeah, 100% breitenshiter was a disaster but I’m starting to think he had a point about some of our players, especially the spine of the team, or lack of spine as the case may be 😂 |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 3, 2024 19:30:55 GMT 1
As bad as DM was we were out of the relegation zone and in a place where we were beginning to look safe until we set on our worst manager in recent times and dropped like a stone. Even DM may have kept us up, your favourite if we had brought him back could have done, but AB was disastrous. Oh yeah, 100% breitenshiter was a disaster but I’m starting to think he had a point about some of our players, especially the spine of the team, or lack of spine as the case may be 😂 We have been building to this since our relegation from the premier league. Since that relegation we have sold off any player we could get any money for and replace them with ex-Town has beens and young risky punts from the lower league that we hoped would come off. There was never a strategy or any thought about building a team, the one time we had a chance of getting somewhere we drove our coach to leave and we continued on the downward slope. This summers transactions seem to have followed this trend selling on any player we could and make a profit on our transfer business. I just can't understand why some seem surprised that in spite of moving down a league we find ourselves in the same trouble we were in last season. |
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Post by midlander on Oct 3, 2024 19:31:04 GMT 1
LinkedIn · Mark Cartwright 5.1K+ followers United Kingdom · Sporting Director · Huddersfield Town Football Club A highly dedicated, motivated, passionate, and committed senior football executive with a proven track record of overachievement in a wide variety of areas well let’s see how stoke are doing when Cartwright isn’t in the building.. ..6-1 to stoke you say? Bloody hell mate, stretching it a bit there. Stoke have been largely garbage since Cartwright left. Recruitment at that club has been shocking for the money spent. Finally seem to invest a bit more wisely this preseason and then sack the manager to bring in a rookie |
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Post by mosher on Oct 3, 2024 19:41:39 GMT 1
Oh yeah, 100% breitenshiter was a disaster but I’m starting to think he had a point about some of our players, especially the spine of the team, or lack of spine as the case may be 😂 We have been building to this since our relegation from the premier league. Since that relegation we have sold off any player we could get any money for and replace them with ex-Town has beens and young risky punts from the lower league that we hoped would come off. There was never a strategy or any thought about building a team, the one time we had a chance of getting somewhere we drove our coach to leave and we continued on the downward slope. This summers transactions seem to have followed this trend selling on any player we could and make a profit on our transfer business. I just can't understand why some seem surprised that in spite of moving down a league we find ourselves in the same trouble we were in last season. 100% about the selling assets since the PL, which is why I don’t fully blame KN for where we are now, even though he’s made a couple of minor mistakes, plus one HUGE mistake in sacking Colin, but even that I think is more down to bad advice than him actually being a shit owner And the millions he’s spent has just been wasted by Cartwright n his (VERY) little black book, about 5-6 million over 2 windows n most if not all of those purchases have turned out to be wank. I tend not to count Rudi’s sale as income because that (as I’ve said before) was swallowed by our relegation revenue loss; I’m kind of glad that cash went towards keeping people in jobs |
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) but as we're seeing this season the spine of that side had no spine. I don't think any manager (even my favourite ever manager King Colin) would have kept us up last season with the players at our disposal.
