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Post by wigster on Oct 23, 2024 13:22:14 GMT 1
Must admit I watched last night's match and was disappointed at how little quality was on show.
If these were two of the "top"teams in this division then it's a bloody poor division.
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Post by NumeroUno on Oct 23, 2024 13:26:05 GMT 1
The quality in this league is rubbish and bouncing straight back up is a priority, if I was chairman anything below 2nd is a failure.
That dodgy period we had has really cost us in the table as it stands. We're currently 5th and if we win on Saturday we will be...5th..and the teams above us (other than Wrexham) also have a game in hand.
We have to hope that was our only bad patch and the other teams go into bad patches of their own, preferably more of them and longer than ours.
As it stands, there's a minimum of 5pts we need to overturn to get to 2nd and that might take a long time to do if we assume Birmingham, Wrexham and some others continue to win the vast majority of games.
Even with a lot of first teamers out injured, hangovers from previous seasons, etc. our squad is far superior to most others in the league and should be expected to win every game. We narrowly lost 1-0 away to Birmingham and drew 0-0 away to Wrexham in their "fortress" but I'm far from impressed with either of them and their current positions reflect the quality of the league.
Fans who think 25+ pts from the next 10 is somehow inconceivable need to have a think and reset their expectations. That should be the minimum expectation and realistically what we need in order to get to the stated objectives of autos. We're trailing behind right now and failed to take points from our rivals so the only thing we can do now is win up and hope they drop points. Any losses in the next 10 means potentially losing to play-off hopefuls which is even worse, and may mean we get to January with a massive mountain to climb.
I wouldn't worry too much about this squad if we get promoted as a massive portion of them will be out of contract in summer allowing a complete reset and rebuild of a solid Championship squad which would be ideal. The alternative is missing out on promotion this season and having to rebuild a squad with one eye on League One promotion and one eye on Championship survival which would be far harder to do and likely set us back several more years.
If I was Kevin with ambitions of being in the Premier League I would want and expect promotion this year, rebuild in summer, and challenge for promotion in to the premier league in the 1-2 seasons that follow. Anything else would be far too long a time horizon let alone investment.
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 23, 2024 13:32:36 GMT 1
With the current staff/players, I honestly can't see us as anything but possible play off candidates, and more likely top ten candidates. Yes it's a poor league, but we're no rocket scientists. People seem to forget our recent run of defeats, and believe me, it will happen again. Play offs themselves, well I'm not confident even if we're in them. To be honest, there is not a single player in this team, who I honestly believe can perform consistently. One sees it every week on here, one match they're up and at it and going to be the best thing since sliced bread, the next match, they're invisible. I don't know whether they don't care, aren't fit enough or what, but it's there week in and week out, and exactly the reason why fans aren't getting excited or behind the team every game. We simply haven't a clue as to who's actually going to turn up. Fact is, it's that poor a league, we're beating teams without even having to hit overdrive. I don't think it will happen again. Duff has history of early season blips, hopefully we have gotten ours out of the way pretty early and we can now start pushing forwards. Play Offs minimum for me. |
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Post by King Neil on Oct 23, 2024 13:39:39 GMT 1
You only have to look at Portsmouth to see how shite this league is
Runaway champions with 28 wins and 97 points
Rock bottom of the championship with 1 win
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Oct 23, 2024 14:02:42 GMT 1
You only have to look at Portsmouth to see how shite this league is Runaway champions with 28 wins and 97 points Rock bottom of the championship with 1 win They won last year’s league - 7 teams have changed since then, which is almost 30%. A fair turnover although I don’t think you’re far wrong. You can get promotion playing an attritional type of football, but you need far more quality to survive in the championship. |
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Post by dezzly on Oct 23, 2024 14:23:49 GMT 1
The quality in this league is rubbish and bouncing straight back up is a priority, if I was chairman anything below 2nd is a failure. That dodgy period we had has really cost us in the table as it stands. We're currently 5th and if we win on Saturday we will be...5th..and the teams above us (other than Wrexham) also have a game in hand. We have to hope that was our only bad patch and the other teams go into bad patches of their own, preferably more of them and longer than ours. As it stands, there's a minimum of 5pts we need to overturn to get to 2nd and that might take a long time to do if we assume Birmingham, Wrexham and some others continue to win the vast majority of games. Even with a lot of first teamers out injured, hangovers from previous seasons, etc. our squad is far superior to most others in the league and should be expected to win every game. We narrowly lost 1-0 away to Birmingham and drew 0-0 away to Wrexham in their "fortress" but I'm far from impressed with either of them and their current positions reflect the quality of the league. Fans who think 25+ pts from the next 10 is somehow inconceivable need to have a think and reset their expectations. That should be the minimum expectation and realistically what we need in order to get to the stated objectives of autos. We're trailing behind right now and failed to take points from our rivals so the only thing we can do now is win up and hope they drop points. Any losses in the next 10 means potentially losing to play-off hopefuls which is even worse, and may mean we get to January with a massive mountain to climb. I wouldn't worry too much about this squad if we get promoted as a massive portion of them will be out of contract in summer allowing a complete reset and rebuild of a solid Championship squad which would be ideal. The alternative is missing out on promotion this season and having to rebuild a squad with one eye on League One promotion and one eye on Championship survival which would be far harder to do and likely set us back several more years. If I was Kevin with ambitions of being in the Premier League I would want and expect promotion this year, rebuild in summer, and challenge for promotion in to the premier league in the 1-2 seasons that follow. Anything else would be far too long a time horizon let alone investment. I agree with a lot of the points above.The only thing I would say is that the teams currently above us(excluding Birmingham) they are 4 points above in Wycombe and Mansfield’s case and 5 in wrexhams.We have to play two of them home and away and Wrexham at home,there are opportunities to reduce the gap.Mansfield also have to play Birmingham twice including on Saturday,Wycombe and Wrexham both once having already both lost once to them.They also have smaller squads in terms of base level quality,I think there is a long way to go yet. That said lose a couple more in the near future and they don’t it starts to look very difficult I would agree. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Oct 23, 2024 14:38:34 GMT 1
It’s poor. But it was always pretty poor, when we were in this league last time under Clark we were slapping teams for 5, 6 or 7 every few months.
It was always a minimum of play-offs, but the fact we are still in for a shout for second after such a sloppy start really shows there isn’t anything to fear at all in this league. We need to be going for the jugular every single game.
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Post by rubicon on Oct 23, 2024 14:50:51 GMT 1
With the current staff/players, I honestly can't see us as anything but possible play off candidates, and more likely top ten candidates. Yes it's a poor league, but we're no rocket scientists. People seem to forget our recent run of defeats, and believe me, it will happen again. Play offs themselves, well I'm not confident even if we're in them. To be honest, there is not a single player in this team, who I honestly believe can perform consistently. One sees it every week on here, one match they're up and at it and going to be the best thing since sliced bread, the next match, they're invisible. I don't know whether they don't care, aren't fit enough or what, but it's there week in and week out, and exactly the reason why fans aren't getting excited or behind the team every game. We simply haven't a clue as to who's actually going to turn up. Fact is, it's that poor a league, we're beating teams without even having to hit overdrive. I don't think it will happen again. Duff has history of early season blips, hopefully we have gotten ours out of the way pretty early and we can now start pushing forwards. Play Offs minimum for me. I really hope you're right, as I said I see it as completely possible, but I also see the other scenario as just as possible. |
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Post by sabailand on Oct 23, 2024 16:00:45 GMT 1
You only have to look at Portsmouth to see how shite this league is Runaway champions with 28 wins and 97 points Rock bottom of the championship with 1 win Derby and Oxford doing ok, although admittedly its a long old season and who's to say they wont be struggling later, then again they might not. |
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 23, 2024 16:33:29 GMT 1
The quality in this league is rubbish and bouncing straight back up is a priority, if I was chairman anything below 2nd is a failure. That dodgy period we had has really cost us in the table as it stands. We're currently 5th and if we win on Saturday we will be...5th..and the teams above us (other than Wrexham) also have a game in hand. We have to hope that was our only bad patch and the other teams go into bad patches of their own, preferably more of them and longer than ours. As it stands, there's a minimum of 5pts we need to overturn to get to 2nd and that might take a long time to do if we assume Birmingham, Wrexham and some others continue to win the vast majority of games. Even with a lot of first teamers out injured, hangovers from previous seasons, etc. our squad is far superior to most others in the league and should be expected to win every game. We narrowly lost 1-0 away to Birmingham and drew 0-0 away to Wrexham in their "fortress" but I'm far from impressed with either of them and their current positions reflect the quality of the league.
Fans who think 25+ pts from the next 10 is somehow inconceivable need to have a think and reset their expectations. That should be the minimum expectation and realistically what we need in order to get to the stated objectives of autos. We're trailing behind right now and failed to take points from our rivals so the only thing we can do now is win up and hope they drop points. Any losses in the next 10 means potentially losing to play-off hopefuls which is even worse, and may mean we get to January with a massive mountain to climb. I wouldn't worry too much about this squad if we get promoted as a massive portion of them will be out of contract in summer allowing a complete reset and rebuild of a solid Championship squad which would be ideal. The alternative is missing out on promotion this season and having to rebuild a squad with one eye on League One promotion and one eye on Championship survival which would be far harder to do and likely set us back several more years. If I was Kevin with ambitions of being in the Premier League I would want and expect promotion this year, rebuild in summer, and challenge for promotion in to the premier league in the 1-2 seasons that follow. Anything else would be far too long a time horizon let alone investment. When I initially read that I baulked at it but on reflection I think you're right. If you're going for promotion then you need to be targeting a win in every single one of your home games. So that's 15 points targeted. Away vs Crawley, Wycombe, Leyton Orient, Mansfield & Cambridge - Crawley, Leyton Orient & Cambridge are struggling, so you should be targeting 9 there. The other two may be tricky but one point from those two doesn't seem unreasonable. Of course, every side will have a blip or three and it wouldn't be a disaster to fall slightly short of that total (our home games are against some of the better sides in the division including the only side to beat Birmingham so far this season), but in order to stay in touch at the top, you can't drop many points, because the sides around you aren't! |
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Post by royrace on Oct 23, 2024 16:40:02 GMT 1
I would add Lonwijk to the list of players we've signed that would do well in the division above, but as his loan ends in the summer that's a moot point. It depends though - when we ask who is good enough - what we mean. I'd suggest we have some that are plenty good enough to be back up options. For example: I wouldn't be happy with Jacob Chapman as our regular first choice goalkeeper in the Championship, but competing with Maxwell for a spot on the bench and the odd game here and there in case of injuries or suspension, plus a cup game or two is fine. I disagree, I think there's a reason Nigel is still getting loaned out to L1 teams. I think Helik, Pearson, Lees are better players, as was Nakayama and Spencer hopefully will be. His passing is a slight upgrade on some of the former but he's a centre back so it's not the priority. Hopefully he'll improve but I'm far from convinced he'll be championship quality. |
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Oct 23, 2024 16:41:43 GMT 1
I don't include Wrexham as one of the better sides in this division, they are decent at what they do and will buy their way out. We are as good has anyone at full strength but injuries yet again are annoying to say the least. Brum, Reading, Charlton, Stockport, Town, Barnsley are my top six.
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Post by dezzly on Oct 23, 2024 18:43:32 GMT 1
I don't include Wrexham as one of the better sides in this division, they are decent at what they do and will buy their way out. We are as good has anyone at full strength but injuries yet again are annoying to say the least. Brum, Reading, Charlton, Stockport, Town, Barnsley are my top six. And Barnsley were absolutely woeful 😂 reading weren’t much better we just gifted them it. |
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Oct 23, 2024 19:11:56 GMT 1
I don't include Wrexham as one of the better sides in this division, they are decent at what they do and will buy their way out. We are as good has anyone at full strength but injuries yet again are annoying to say the least. Brum, Reading, Charlton, Stockport, Town, Barnsley are my top six. And Barnsley were absolutely woeful 😂 reading weren’t much better we just gifted them it.[/qu Reading and Barnsley are 7th and 8th and on the same number of points as Town, that must make us then has bad as them!!. |
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Post by dezzly on Oct 23, 2024 19:34:49 GMT 1
And Barnsley were absolutely woeful 😂 reading weren’t much better we just gifted them it.[/qu Reading and Barnsley are 7th and 8th and on the same number of points as Town, that must make us then has bad as them!!. It’s one way to look at it.I feel like we’ve more gears to go up.They may too but certainly the Barnsley side we played couple weeks ago I can’t see it with them.Things change though I guess. Just feel like our sqaud is probably stronger across the course of a season |
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