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Post by Junior & Onuora on Nov 3, 2024 19:26:47 GMT 1
How the hell is this not a conflict of interests? Let's say I was a buyer of construction materials. I am linked with a wholesaler, my site foreman is represented by that wholesaler, my financial future is dependent on that wholesaler shifting more materials (I'll get my old cushty job back with them when I'm inevitably fired). Am I really casting my net far and wide to see what other wholesalers are offering when I've got my linked wholesaler on at me all the time? No chance. So I buy overpriced crap to the detriment of my ultimate employer. I'd probably be arrested in some sectors. But this is what we have to put up with. beswick's are advisors to the club it seems, are they giving adivce to suit themselves and their clients . It makes you think ? Well yeah, then it's like the wholesaler being paid to advise the overseas constructor and offering 'helpful' insights like "You should definitely buy our concrete and blocks". Pathetic. |
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Post by Dan on Nov 3, 2024 19:33:20 GMT 1
beswick's are advisors to the club it seems, are they giving adivce to suit themselves and their clients . It makes you think ? Well yeah, then it's like the wholesaler being paid to advise the overseas constructor and offering 'helpful' insights like "You should definitely buy our concrete and blocks". Pathetic. Yep, feels like we're hamstrung until we bin Beswicks off. Fair enough, they helped with the takeover, but for them to pick our CEO, DOF and still be acting as consultants feels like such a ridiculous conflict. www.beswicks.com/beswicks-legal-advises-on-purchase-of-huddersfield-town-afc/ |
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Post by htfcterry on Nov 3, 2024 19:34:34 GMT 1
I'd get rid tbf, 7 appearances between Jan-Nov is pathetic. Aye he should deffo play with a broken ankle! How pathetic of him. He's only had 1 season where he managed over 30 appearances I think. He's far too injury prone and whilst he shows alot of promise, he shouldn't have been signed. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Nov 3, 2024 20:58:20 GMT 1
Rudoni was sold for at least 4 times more than what we’ve spent this season. I can't remember how may times I've posted this: The Rudoni money was swallowed by the loss of TV revenue, drop in other income and keeping on ALL staff after relegation; something that rarely (if ever) happens. KN has spent shitloads of money, it's not his fault that Cartwright has wasted it on shit managers and shit and injury-prone players. It IS his fault that Cartwright is still in post though; he should have been binned after we saw the calibre of his January signings last season. It appears that a lot of folk have either forgotten or don't realize this. The drop in TV revenue alone will likely be more than we got for Rudoni. It takes a lot of money to run football club, especially when most fans have only been paying £249 for their season tickets for the last 5 seasons. Nagle might have the means to splash the cash but FFP will come into play again if we go back up. We need to be smarter in the transfer market, rather than throwing money at it on players that clearly aren't up to the job. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 3, 2024 21:17:27 GMT 1
I can't remember how may times I've posted this: The Rudoni money was swallowed by the loss of TV revenue, drop in other income and keeping on ALL staff after relegation; something that rarely (if ever) happens. KN has spent shitloads of money, it's not his fault that Cartwright has wasted it on shit managers and shit and injury-prone players. It IS his fault that Cartwright is still in post though; he should have been binned after we saw the calibre of his January signings last season. It appears that a lot of folk have either forgotten or don't realize this. The drop in TV revenue alone will likely be more than we got for Rudoni. It takes a lot of money to run football club, especially when most fans have only been paying £249 for their season tickets for the last 5 seasons. Nagle might have the means to splash the cash but FFP will come into play again if we go back up. We need to be smarter in the transfer market, rather than throwing money at it on players that clearly aren't up to the job. Any players we bring in must be of Championship quality or we will have to do it all over again under the spending restrictions of the Championship. Mind you we don't look like getting anywhere near close to breaking the Fair Play restrictions based on what we have seen to date. |
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Post by dirtyoldtown on Nov 3, 2024 22:40:29 GMT 1
Rudoni was sold for at least 4 times more than what we’ve spent this season. I can't remember how may times I've posted this: The Rudoni money was swallowed by the loss of TV revenue, drop in other income and keeping on ALL staff after relegation; something that rarely (if ever) happens. KN has spent shitloads of money, it's not his fault that Cartwright has wasted it on shit managers and shit and injury-prone players. It IS his fault that Cartwright is still in post though; he should have been binned after we saw the calibre of his January signings last season. I’m sorry but it just isn’t true. We paid a transfer fee for two players in the summer and both of those were relatively small by current standards. The squad needed a complete overhaul and yes, you can always argue that money spent doesn’t guarantee success but can you honestly say the players we’ve brought in are good enough to get us promoted never mind kick on in the Championship? Were they really the best available to us or were our recruitment teams hands tied by a shoestring budget? A lot of fans are being very naive and Nagle certainly knows how to pull the wool over their eyes. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 3, 2024 22:54:58 GMT 1
I can't remember how may times I've posted this: The Rudoni money was swallowed by the loss of TV revenue, drop in other income and keeping on ALL staff after relegation; something that rarely (if ever) happens. KN has spent shitloads of money, it's not his fault that Cartwright has wasted it on shit managers and shit and injury-prone players. It IS his fault that Cartwright is still in post though; he should have been binned after we saw the calibre of his January signings last season. I’m sorry but it just isn’t true. We paid a transfer fee for two players in the summer and both of those were relatively small by current standards. The squad needed a complete overhaul and yes, you can always argue that money spent doesn’t guarantee success but can you honestly say the players we’ve brought in are good enough to get us promoted never mind kick on in the Championship? Were they really the best available to us or were our recruitment teams hands tied by a shoestring budget? A lot of fans are being very naive and Nagle certainly knows how to pull the wool over their eyes. I tend to agree with dirtyold on this. Thus far Nagle has talked big, yet has not backed anything up.
To date under his watch...
Some of the worst managers/ head coaches in recent history Bought players in, who have failed miserably for far more than they were worth Healey/Bojan and god knows about balker (will he ever stay fit)
This summer he talked about investing in the squad, but did he ? not really and seems to think he has made a big investment in the club etc etc but has he ? at the stadium he has painted a few walls and done some cleaning up hardly major investment , the academy re openning, is this really costing him that much ?
I do feel the summer recuritment was cheap at best and the recuritment drive was run by a complete and utter charaltan in Cartwright , how he is still employed by this club is madness, there must be more than meets the eye there with that chap. As in does Beswicks input have more to do with that than Nagle is saying.
For an apparent multi billionaire, his investment is not exactly there at all . His attiude in recent daires seems strange aswell.
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Post by Big Ern on Nov 3, 2024 23:02:09 GMT 1
I can't remember how may times I've posted this: The Rudoni money was swallowed by the loss of TV revenue, drop in other income and keeping on ALL staff after relegation; something that rarely (if ever) happens. KN has spent shitloads of money, it's not his fault that Cartwright has wasted it on shit managers and shit and injury-prone players. It IS his fault that Cartwright is still in post though; he should have been binned after we saw the calibre of his January signings last season. I’m sorry but it just isn’t true. We paid a transfer fee for two players in the summer and both of those were relatively small by current standards. The squad needed a complete overhaul and yes, you can always argue that money spent doesn’t guarantee success but can you honestly say the players we’ve brought in are good enough to get us promoted never mind kick on in the Championship? Were they really the best available to us or were our recruitment teams hands tied by a shoestring budget? A lot of fans are being very naive and Nagle certainly knows how to pull the wool over their eyes. Why would he want to pull the wool over eyes though? What does he gain? |
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Post by DuffMan on Nov 3, 2024 23:05:12 GMT 1
I’m sorry but it just isn’t true. We paid a transfer fee for two players in the summer and both of those were relatively small by current standards. The squad needed a complete overhaul and yes, you can always argue that money spent doesn’t guarantee success but can you honestly say the players we’ve brought in are good enough to get us promoted never mind kick on in the Championship? Were they really the best available to us or were our recruitment teams hands tied by a shoestring budget? A lot of fans are being very naive and Nagle certainly knows how to pull the wool over their eyes. Why would he want to pull the wool over eyes though? What does he gain? he doesn't have to spend any money, all he has to do it go to marstons and some town fans blow his trumpet |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 3, 2024 23:06:43 GMT 1
I can't remember how may times I've posted this: The Rudoni money was swallowed by the loss of TV revenue, drop in other income and keeping on ALL staff after relegation; something that rarely (if ever) happens. KN has spent shitloads of money, it's not his fault that Cartwright has wasted it on shit managers and shit and injury-prone players. It IS his fault that Cartwright is still in post though; he should have been binned after we saw the calibre of his January signings last season. I’m sorry but it just isn’t true. We paid a transfer fee for two players in the summer and both of those were relatively small by current standards. The squad needed a complete overhaul and yes, you can always argue that money spent doesn’t guarantee success but can you honestly say the players we’ve brought in are good enough to get us promoted never mind kick on in the Championship? Were they really the best available to us or were our recruitment teams hands tied by a shoestring budget? A lot of fans are being very naive and Nagle certainly knows how to pull the wool over their eyes. I think that a lot of people hope and want to believe what he is saying, he has not done anything wrong as far as I know. He is only doing what politicians do putting forward a sort of manifesto that he hopes to be able to live up to. For him to do that the cards have to fall well for him based on what we have seen to date. He appears to have followed on from DH's plan since we were relegated from the Premier League, sell any player you can get money for and speculate in buying cheaper punts from the lower league in the hope we land another Grant that we can sell. When he gets his hands on the ground and surrounding land there is the prospect of more money to be made. He has added a bit more American razz a matazz with the diaries and painted the stadium. Do we have anything to complain about? Well maybe the lack of investment and the lack of a clear direction in the transfer dealings todate. He has his feet well under the table now so we may well see his focus change towards building up the first team, which is what we are all hoping for. |
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Post by Big Ern on Nov 4, 2024 0:05:40 GMT 1
I’m sorry but it just isn’t true. We paid a transfer fee for two players in the summer and both of those were relatively small by current standards. The squad needed a complete overhaul and yes, you can always argue that money spent doesn’t guarantee success but can you honestly say the players we’ve brought in are good enough to get us promoted never mind kick on in the Championship? Were they really the best available to us or were our recruitment teams hands tied by a shoestring budget? A lot of fans are being very naive and Nagle certainly knows how to pull the wool over their eyes. I think that a lot of people hope and want to believe what he is saying, he has not done anything wrong as far as I know. He is only doing what politicians do putting forward a sort of manifesto that he hopes to be able to live up to. For him to do that the cards have to fall well for him based on what we have seen to date. He appears to have followed on from DH's plan since we were relegated from the Premier League, sell any player you can get money for and speculate in buying cheaper punts from the lower league in the hope we land another Grant that we can sell. When he gets his hands on the ground and surrounding land there is the prospect of more money to be made. He has added a bit more American razz a matazz with the diaries and painted the stadium. Do we have anything to complain about? Well maybe the lack of investment and the lack of a clear direction in the transfer dealings todate. He has his feet well under the table now so we may well see his focus change towards building up the first team, which is what we are all hoping for. As critical as I am of our piss poor transfer business I actually really like the man. He does come across as a really decent person and one that is trying to do things the right way. My words though he does seem naive. Just sort the team out. It's an outlay that he can clearly afford and one that will ultimately be paid back when we are successful. I know it sounds like I'm spending someone else's money and in a way I am, but he chose to take ownership of the club and he needs to take that responsibility. Birmingham will fly now and their outlay will quickly be forgotten. We could spend a quarter of their outlay and completely overhaul this team. |
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Post by ambryboy on Nov 4, 2024 0:30:56 GMT 1
I’m sorry but it just isn’t true. We paid a transfer fee for two players in the summer and both of those were relatively small by current standards. The squad needed a complete overhaul and yes, you can always argue that money spent doesn’t guarantee success but can you honestly say the players we’ve brought in are good enough to get us promoted never mind kick on in the Championship? Were they really the best available to us or were our recruitment teams hands tied by a shoestring budget? A lot of fans are being very naive and Nagle certainly knows how to pull the wool over their eyes. I think that a lot of people hope and want to believe what he is saying, he has not done anything wrong as far as I know. He is only doing what politicians do putting forward a sort of manifesto that he hopes to be able to live up to. For him to do that the cards have to fall well for him based on what we have seen to date. He appears to have followed on from DH's plan since we were relegated from the Premier League, sell any player you can get money for and speculate in buying cheaper punts from the lower league in the hope we land another Grant that we can sell. When he gets his hands on the ground and surrounding land there is the prospect of more money to be made. He has added a bit more American razz a matazz with the diaries and painted the stadium. Do we have anything to complain about? Well maybe the lack of investment and the lack of a clear direction in the transfer dealings todate. He has his feet well under the table now so we may well see his focus change towards building up the first team, which is what we are all hoping for. Yes we do, the football has been abysmal at times and based on recent performances (players and management) if we managed a top six finish I don't think we have the nous or backbone to win through the play-offs. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 4, 2024 9:20:27 GMT 1
I can't remember how may times I've posted this: The Rudoni money was swallowed by the loss of TV revenue, drop in other income and keeping on ALL staff after relegation; something that rarely (if ever) happens. KN has spent shitloads of money, it's not his fault that Cartwright has wasted it on shit managers and shit and injury-prone players. It IS his fault that Cartwright is still in post though; he should have been binned after we saw the calibre of his January signings last season. I’m sorry but it just isn’t true. We paid a transfer fee for two players in the summer and both of those were relatively small by current standards. The squad needed a complete overhaul and yes, you can always argue that money spent doesn’t guarantee success but can you honestly say the players we’ve brought in are good enough to get us promoted never mind kick on in the Championship? Were they really the best available to us or were our recruitment teams hands tied by a shoestring budget? A lot of fans are being very naive and Nagle certainly knows how to pull the wool over their eyes. I thought you was supposed to be itk? How can we have a complete overhaul when so many players are still in contract? Unlike Brum most of our squad we couldn’t just bin, much as we want to You’ve just said yourself we wasted money but then say we’ve not invested Shoestring my arse, unless you’re comparing to Brum Tot up what KN has spent in the past 3 windows, you’ll be surprised, loans don’t come free either The person to blame is Cartwright and in a sense KN is to blame for him still being in post but how you can say he hasn’t invested when you look at what’s been shelled out is a complete mystery to me |
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Post by dirtyoldtown on Nov 4, 2024 10:43:18 GMT 1
I’m sorry but it just isn’t true. We paid a transfer fee for two players in the summer and both of those were relatively small by current standards. The squad needed a complete overhaul and yes, you can always argue that money spent doesn’t guarantee success but can you honestly say the players we’ve brought in are good enough to get us promoted never mind kick on in the Championship? Were they really the best available to us or were our recruitment teams hands tied by a shoestring budget? A lot of fans are being very naive and Nagle certainly knows how to pull the wool over their eyes. I thought you was supposed to be itk? How can we have a complete overhaul when so many players are still in contract? Unlike Brum most of our squad we couldn’t just bin, much as we want to You’ve just said yourself we wasted money but then say we’ve not invested Shoestring my arse, unless you’re comparing to Brum Tot up what KN has spent in the past 3 windows, you’ll be surprised, loans don’t come free either The person to blame is Cartwright and in a sense KN is to blame for him still being in post but how you can say he hasn’t invested when you look at what’s been shelled out is a complete mystery to me Look you’re clearly a mega Nagle fan and that’s fine but it’s hard to argue when one side is so partisan in their support for what they’re saying. The squad wasn’t invested in as much as it should have been in the summer and that’s a fact, whether you like it or not. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 4, 2024 10:46:49 GMT 1
I thought you was supposed to be itk? How can we have a complete overhaul when so many players are still in contract? Unlike Brum most of our squad we couldn’t just bin, much as we want to You’ve just said yourself we wasted money but then say we’ve not invested Shoestring my arse, unless you’re comparing to Brum Tot up what KN has spent in the past 3 windows, you’ll be surprised, loans don’t come free either The person to blame is Cartwright and in a sense KN is to blame for him still being in post but how you can say he hasn’t invested when you look at what’s been shelled out is a complete mystery to me Look you’re clearly a mega Nagle fan and that’s fine but it’s hard to argue when one side is so partisan in their support for what they’re saying. The squad wasn’t invested in as much as it should have been in the summer and that’s a fact, whether you like it or not. Mate, I'm not a Nagle fan at all, I just prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt and place the blame at Cartwright's door. The biggest blame I put on Nagle is giving Cartwright MORE money to spend after the way he wasted it in the previous two windows. He TRIED investing more but Luton fkd us about and Brum gazumped us. I blame Cartwright for putting all his eggs in those two baskets and then panic-buying Ladapo. I wish KN was here more and was more hands-on; he may learn quicker that way, but to say he hasn't invested is disingenuous at best imo. Edit: Maynard gave us a clue about Cartwright right after he was appointed. Perhaps he/she should be Nagle's adviser rather than Justasmithers  |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Nov 4, 2024 11:13:11 GMT 1
I’m sorry but it just isn’t true. We paid a transfer fee for two players in the summer and both of those were relatively small by current standards. The squad needed a complete overhaul and yes, you can always argue that money spent doesn’t guarantee success but can you honestly say the players we’ve brought in are good enough to get us promoted never mind kick on in the Championship? Were they really the best available to us or were our recruitment teams hands tied by a shoestring budget? A lot of fans are being very naive and Nagle certainly knows how to pull the wool over their eyes. Why would he want to pull the wool over eyes though? What does he gain? Well wasnt there a Prem in three years plan but not a bit extra for May. That said many were happy when Ladapo signed, he probably wasn't Nagles signing but he certainly had the money to get May. |
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Post by Sparrow on Nov 4, 2024 12:02:30 GMT 1
I’m sorry but it just isn’t true. We paid a transfer fee for two players in the summer and both of those were relatively small by current standards. The squad needed a complete overhaul and yes, you can always argue that money spent doesn’t guarantee success but can you honestly say the players we’ve brought in are good enough to get us promoted never mind kick on in the Championship? Were they really the best available to us or were our recruitment teams hands tied by a shoestring budget? A lot of fans are being very naive and Nagle certainly knows how to pull the wool over their eyes. I think that a lot of people hope and want to believe what he is saying, he has not done anything wrong as far as I know. He is only doing what politicians do putting forward a sort of manifesto that he hopes to be able to live up to. For him to do that the cards have to fall well for him based on what we have seen to date. He appears to have followed on from DH's plan since we were relegated from the Premier League, sell any player you can get money for and speculate in buying cheaper punts from the lower league in the hope we land another Grant that we can sell.When he gets his hands on the ground and surrounding land there is the prospect of more money to be made. He has added a bit more American razz a matazz with the diaries and painted the stadium. Do we have anything to complain about? Well maybe the lack of investment and the lack of a clear direction in the transfer dealings todate. He has his feet well under the table now so we may well see his focus change towards building up the first team, which is what we are all hoping for. I think that's a little bit unfair. The only player we sold over the summer was Rudoni. It was pretty obvious that he was desperate to leave and get to a championship club. The lad has delusions of thinking he'll be a premier league player one day. So he was never gonna stay at a league 1 club. To get what we got for a player who runs around a lot, bust actually offers very little in terms of end product, was a pretty good deal and not one we could really turn down. The only other player of any note that left was Sorba on loan, and that was probably best for both the club and player. Nether of those 2 are exactly pulling up trees this season. We've also not signed lower league punts. Sorrenson, Evans and Kane have all come from teams in the same league as us and all had good seasons last season. Miller from the Championship as well has having promotion experience from this league and then 3 premier league loans in Marshall, Hodge and Longwijk. Those 7 are pretty decent players for a league 1 team looking to gain promotion. Yes we could have done with 2 or 3 more really quality players, but honestly, are there really that many genuine quality league 1 players that will perform consistently. And very few Championship quality players are gonna join a league 1 club, unless we are paying them silly money in wages and bonuses. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 4, 2024 12:19:42 GMT 1
I think that a lot of people hope and want to believe what he is saying, he has not done anything wrong as far as I know. He is only doing what politicians do putting forward a sort of manifesto that he hopes to be able to live up to. For him to do that the cards have to fall well for him based on what we have seen to date. He appears to have followed on from DH's plan since we were relegated from the Premier League, sell any player you can get money for and speculate in buying cheaper punts from the lower league in the hope we land another Grant that we can sell.When he gets his hands on the ground and surrounding land there is the prospect of more money to be made. He has added a bit more American razz a matazz with the diaries and painted the stadium. Do we have anything to complain about? Well maybe the lack of investment and the lack of a clear direction in the transfer dealings todate. He has his feet well under the table now so we may well see his focus change towards building up the first team, which is what we are all hoping for. I think that's a little bit unfair. The only player we sold over the summer was Rudoni. It was pretty obvious that he was desperate to leave and get to a championship club. The lad has delusions of thinking he'll be a premier league player one day. So he was never gonna stay at a league 1 club. To get what we got for a player who runs around a lot, bust actually offers very little in terms of end product, was a pretty good deal and not one we could really turn down. The only other player of any note that left was Sorba on loan, and that was probably best for both the club and player. Nether of those 2 are exactly pulling up trees this season. We've also not signed lower league punts. Sorrenson, Evans and Kane have all come from teams in the same league as us and all had good seasons last season. Miller from the Championship as well has having promotion experience from this league and then 3 premier league loans in Marshall, Hodge and Longwijk. Those 7 are pretty decent players for a league 1 team looking to gain promotion. Yes we could have done with 2 or 3 more really quality players, but honestly, are there really that many genuine quality league 1 players that will perform consistently. And very few Championship quality players are gonna join a league 1 club, unless we are paying them silly money in wages and bonuses. Reading your post reminded me of the time we sold two players to Forest, they were the only two players that ran around a lot and made things happen. Rudoni and Sorba for all their faults were the two players that made themselves available for a pass and ran around a lot. Watching this season we don't seem to have players that run around a lot or make themselves available. Hence the slow turgid football we are having to endure. |
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Post by Sparrow on Nov 4, 2024 12:47:58 GMT 1
I think that's a little bit unfair. The only player we sold over the summer was Rudoni. It was pretty obvious that he was desperate to leave and get to a championship club. The lad has delusions of thinking he'll be a premier league player one day. So he was never gonna stay at a league 1 club. To get what we got for a player who runs around a lot, bust actually offers very little in terms of end product, was a pretty good deal and not one we could really turn down. The only other player of any note that left was Sorba on loan, and that was probably best for both the club and player. Nether of those 2 are exactly pulling up trees this season. We've also not signed lower league punts. Sorrenson, Evans and Kane have all come from teams in the same league as us and all had good seasons last season. Miller from the Championship as well has having promotion experience from this league and then 3 premier league loans in Marshall, Hodge and Longwijk. Those 7 are pretty decent players for a league 1 team looking to gain promotion. Yes we could have done with 2 or 3 more really quality players, but honestly, are there really that many genuine quality league 1 players that will perform consistently. And very few Championship quality players are gonna join a league 1 club, unless we are paying them silly money in wages and bonuses. Reading your post reminded me of the time we sold two players to Forest, they were the only two players that ran around a lot and made things happen. Rudoni and Sorba for all their faults were the two players that made themselves available for a pass and ran around a lot. Watching this season we don't seem to have players that run around a lot or make themselves available. Hence the slow turgid football we are having to endure. No come on, surely you're not comparing the impact that Toff & O'Brien had on the team with the impact Rudoni & Thomas had on the team??? Toff and O'Brien actually made things happen. They made the team tick. They were the standouts in the season we got to the play-off final. Rudoni & Sorba ran down dead ends and then fell over, then threw their arms in the air are the ref and team mates. Miller is constantly on the move wanting the ball down the left side. Londwijk is also contently coming out of defence and making himself available. He's always up supporting Miller. I think it was Danny Wards offside goal where the next most advance player was Londwijk (if not that goal it was another). Kane is constantly wanting the ball quickly from the CB's. It's often Pearson and Lees that don't play it in to him. He also constantly makes himself available to take it off the other midfielders. Hodge is exactly the same. Marshall often makes good runs in behind, but the ball is either over hit, he's not quick enough to get to it or his run isn't seen. He also drops deep to receive it. Kasumu runs about a lot and has a great engine. Just a shame his passing and vision is poor. Sorrenson makes some great runs down the right. He had a bit of a downturn in form, but largely kept making the runs. We do still at times move the ball too slowly, but that is often down to our older CB's that have been here longer, slowing the play down. Or Hogg slowing play down and passing the ball backwards or sideways behind his teammate, resulting in them having to stop their forward momentum. Or Nicholls holding onto the ball for to long. We've definitely speeded up with Chapman in goal. Overall we have speeded up our play from the last few season. We've just still got a few too many older players slowing the play down when they are on the ball. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 4, 2024 12:55:10 GMT 1
Reading your post reminded me of the time we sold two players to Forest, they were the only two players that ran around a lot and made things happen. Rudoni and Sorba for all their faults were the two players that made themselves available for a pass and ran around a lot. Watching this season we don't seem to have players that run around a lot or make themselves available. Hence the slow turgid football we are having to endure. No come on, surely you're not comparing the impact that Toff & O'Brien had on the team with the impact Rudoni & Thomas had on the team??? Toff and O'Brien actually made things happen. They made the team tick. They were the standouts in the season we got to the play-off final. Rudoni & Sorba ran down dead ends and then fell over, then threw their arms in the air are the ref and team mates. Miller is constantly on the move wanting the ball down the left side. Londwijk is also contently coming out of defence and making himself available. He's always up supporting Miller. I think it was Danny Wards offside goal where the next most advance player was Londwijk (if not that goal it was another). Kane is constantly wanting the ball quickly from the CB's. It's often Pearson and Lees that don't play it in to him. He also constantly makes himself available to take it off the other midfielders. Hodge is exactly the same. Marshall often makes good runs in behind, but the ball is either over hit, he's not quick enough to get to it or his run isn't seen. He also drops deep to receive it. Kasumu runs about a lot and has a great engine. Just a shame his passing and vision is poor. Sorrenson makes some great runs down the right. He had a bit of a downturn in form, but largely kept making the runs. We do still at times move the ball too slowly, but that is often down to our older CB's that have been here longer, slowing the play down. Or Hogg slowing play down and passing the ball backwards or sideways behind his teammate, resulting in them having to stop their forward momentum. Or Nicholls holding onto the ball for to long. We've definitely speeded up with Chapman in goal. Overall we have speeded up our play from the last few season. We've just still got a few too many older players slowing the play down when they are on the ball. Don't have a go at our old players, they have been our go too signings, especially old past it ex Town players. |
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Nov 4, 2024 13:00:33 GMT 1
If anyone is daft enough to put a bid in for any of this lot.
Then snap their hands off in Jan.
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Post by incognito on Nov 4, 2024 13:21:43 GMT 1
Rudoni was sold for at least 4 times more than what we’ve spent this season. I can't remember how may times I've posted this: The Rudoni money was swallowed by the loss of TV revenue, drop in other income and keeping on ALL staff after relegation; something that rarely (if ever) happens.KN has spent shitloads of money, it's not his fault that Cartwright has wasted it on shit managers and shit and injury-prone players. It IS his fault that Cartwright is still in post though; he should have been binned after we saw the calibre of his January signings last season. Probably worth adding that our start point - before we even consider the financial ramifications of relegation - is the circa £15 million 23/24 Championship operating loss we're going to see when the accounts are published next March. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 4, 2024 13:41:41 GMT 1
I can't remember how may times I've posted this: The Rudoni money was swallowed by the loss of TV revenue, drop in other income and keeping on ALL staff after relegation; something that rarely (if ever) happens.KN has spent shitloads of money, it's not his fault that Cartwright has wasted it on shit managers and shit and injury-prone players. It IS his fault that Cartwright is still in post though; he should have been binned after we saw the calibre of his January signings last season. Probably worth adding that our start point - before we even consider the financial ramifications of relegation - is the circa £15 million 23/24 Championship operating loss we're going to see when the accounts are published next March. I'd hate to calculate exactly how much of KN's money Cartwright has wasted on shit players, shit managers, paying off back room staff that went with the shit managers. KN must be incredibly blinkered when it comes to Cartwright, unless KN's naysayers are correct and the budget is hamstringing our recruitment. Like I said to dirtyoldtown so far I'm willing to give KN the benefit of the doubt, but if he perseveres with MC much longer I'll certainly be joining the ones thinking negatively about KN. |
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Post by Wingman on Nov 4, 2024 15:03:15 GMT 1
Reading your post reminded me of the time we sold two players to Forest, they were the only two players that ran around a lot and made things happen. Rudoni and Sorba for all their faults were the two players that made themselves available for a pass and ran around a lot. Watching this season we don't seem to have players that run around a lot or make themselves available. Hence the slow turgid football we are having to endure. We do still at times move the ball too slowly, but that is often down to our older CB's that have been here longer, slowing the play down. Or Hogg slowing play down and passing the ball backwards or sideways behind his teammate, resulting in them having to stop their forward momentum. Or Nicholls holding onto the ball for to long. We've definitely speeded up with Chapman in goal. Overall we have speeded up our play from the last few season. We've just still got a few too many older players slowing the play down when they are on the ball. This. How many times do we see Lees and Helik mosey up with the ball, stop, look both ways and pass like a crab? It’s infuriating. They have no vision, no pace, and both need to go. I don’t rate Balker from what I’ve seen and his injury record but jeez, he has to have more passing ability than these two. |
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Post by crux on Nov 4, 2024 20:22:30 GMT 1
We do still at times move the ball too slowly, but that is often down to our older CB's that have been here longer, slowing the play down. Or Hogg slowing play down and passing the ball backwards or sideways behind his teammate, resulting in them having to stop their forward momentum. Or Nicholls holding onto the ball for to long. We've definitely speeded up with Chapman in goal. Overall we have speeded up our play from the last few season. We've just still got a few too many older players slowing the play down when they are on the ball. This. How many times do we see Lees and Helik mosey up with the ball, stop, look both ways and pass like a crab? It’s infuriating. They have no vision, no pace, and both need to go. I don’t rate Balker from what I’ve seen and his injury record but jeez, he has to have more passing ability than these two. He also appeared to have the ability to bring the ball out from defence, not just having to pass it like the rest of them. Whether he still can after all his injuries is another matter! |
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Post by alex on Nov 8, 2024 23:13:47 GMT 1
January? I will tell you now for a fact what's going to happen. Fuck all, that's what.
Just copy and paste this Nagle: Will save you a few seconds on Twitter/X
'January prices are over inflated, we will not be pressured into paying over the odds for players. Our current squad is good enough to compete at this level'
Billionaire, with a three year plan. Just fuck off before you even start, Mr. 'Big Hat No Cattle'.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Nov 8, 2024 23:21:24 GMT 1
January? I will tell you now for a fact what's going to happen. Fuck all, that's what. Just copy and paste this Nagle: Will save you a few seconds on Twitter/X 'January prices are over inflated, we will not be pressured into paying over the odds for players. Our current squad is good enough to compete at this level' Billionaire, with a three year plan. Just fuck off before you even start, Mr. 'Big Hat No Cattle'. Well we were active last January spending decent money. Just a shame the person behind the recruitment is largely clueless and wasted that money |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Nov 8, 2024 23:33:12 GMT 1
January? I will tell you now for a fact what's going to happen. Fuck all, that's what. Just copy and paste this Nagle: Will save you a few seconds on Twitter/X 'January prices are over inflated, we will not be pressured into paying over the odds for players. Our current squad is good enough to compete at this level' Billionaire, with a three year plan. Just fuck off before you even start, Mr. 'Big Hat No Cattle'. At leased we learned our lesson from last season by making our investment on key players in the summer. Oh, wait? 🤔 |
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Post by mosher on Nov 11, 2024 11:35:24 GMT 1
Why would he want to pull the wool over eyes though? What does he gain? but not a bit extra for May. That said many were happy when Ladapo signed, he probably wasn't Nagles signing but he certainly had the money to get May. For about the 716th time, KN never said that, King Colin threw THAT hand grenade on his way out just to stir shit up, just like his "squad is good enough for the play-offs" bullshit. Neither KN nor his advisor have EVER made that claim, not once. Love Colin but my god he knows how to stir shit whilst covering his own back. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 11, 2024 11:37:31 GMT 1
I think that a lot of people hope and want to believe what he is saying, he has not done anything wrong as far as I know. He is only doing what politicians do putting forward a sort of manifesto that he hopes to be able to live up to. For him to do that the cards have to fall well for him based on what we have seen to date. He appears to have followed on from DH's plan since we were relegated from the Premier League, sell any player you can get money for and speculate in buying cheaper punts from the lower league in the hope we land another Grant that we can sell.When he gets his hands on the ground and surrounding land there is the prospect of more money to be made. He has added a bit more American razz a matazz with the diaries and painted the stadium. Do we have anything to complain about? Well maybe the lack of investment and the lack of a clear direction in the transfer dealings todate. He has his feet well under the table now so we may well see his focus change towards building up the first team, which is what we are all hoping for. I think that's a little bit unfair. The only player we sold over the summer was Rudoni. It was pretty obvious that he was desperate to leave and get to a championship club. The lad has delusions of thinking he'll be a premier league player one day. So he was never gonna stay at a league 1 club. To get what we got for a player who runs around a lot, bust actually offers very little in terms of end product, was a pretty good deal and not one we could really turn down. The only other player of any note that left was Sorba on loan, and that was probably best for both the club and player. Nether of those 2 are exactly pulling up trees this season. We've also not signed lower league punts. Sorrenson, Evans and Kane have all come from teams in the same league as us and all had good seasons last season. Miller from the Championship as well has having promotion experience from this league and then 3 premier league loans in Marshall, Hodge and Longwijk. Those 7 are pretty decent players for a league 1 team looking to gain promotion. Yes we could have done with 2 or 3 more really quality players, but honestly, are there really that many genuine quality league 1 players that will perform consistently. And very few Championship quality players are gonna join a league 1 club, unless we are paying them silly money in wages and bonuses. Wish you'd stop talking sense, this is DATM  |
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