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Post by htafcdreams on Nov 21, 2024 15:05:00 GMT 1
Just have a look at last 18 months and where we are todate
18 month of stadium talks and slowly getting near
Town able to run the stadium commercially now
The H Town pre match area opening this week
The steps forward in academy
Maintenance of the stadium
Dressing room overhaul
Speakers / sound system upgraded
New website
Improved YouTube format
New merchandise with US influence
Fire displays pre match
A light show
Freezing of ticket prices
Removal of majority of the staff from directors down - reset
Plenty of warm talk on positivity, prem league in 3 years, Netflix and various echo chambers of hype which has settled after 18 months of new chairman settling in
Fantasic interims of progress off the pitch
On the pitch / managers -
On 4th permanent manager in 18 months
A relegation
Injuries / injury prone signings (budget limitations)
Extend contracts on players that are getting older
Transfer market performance mainly low budget, out of contract, unwanted or unproven players with sale of Rudoni to help fill a small hole
Style of football is organised, structured but limited flair and excitement
Inconsistency in results at the moment
Overall value of the squad is low and transfer appeal for key players remains low
Do you think Kevin’s plan is to build infrastructure over the next 5 years to make the club have all the facilities and functionality
A level of hope in trying to improve revenues via hospitality, stadium events, merchandise
The main ingredients on the pitch (the players) will remain as per our budget (low cost, budget, frees, unwanted, out of contract, untested) for many years ahead and may stay like this if the off pitch revenues don’t change ?
Player trading seems to no longer be a strategy at the club ?
Just wanted opinions on our current strategy
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Post by htfcterry on Nov 21, 2024 15:15:23 GMT 1
I feel like we've gone through alot of these points spread over different threads numerous times. At some point we're gunna have to trust the process and get behind them. I'm not disagreeing with anything as it's mostly factual.
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Post by harri54 on Nov 21, 2024 15:17:58 GMT 1
Just have a look at last 18 months and where we are todate 18 month of stadium talks and slowly getting near Town able to run the stadium commercially now The H Town pre match area opening this week The steps forward in academy Maintenance of the stadium Dressing room overhaul Speakers / sound system upgraded New website Improved YouTube format New merchandise with US influence Fire displays pre match A light show Freezing of ticket prices Removal of majority of the staff from directors down - reset Plenty of warm talk on positivity, prem league in 3 years, Netflix and various echo chambers of hype which has settled after 18 months of new chairman settling in Fantasic interims of progress off the pitch On the pitch / managers - On 4th permanent manager in 18 months A relegation Injuries / injury prone signings (budget limitations) Extend contracts on players that are getting older Transfer market performance mainly low budget, out of contract, unwanted or unproven players with sale of Rudoni to help fill a small hole Style of football is organised, structured but limited flair and excitement Inconsistency in results at the moment Overall value of the squad is low and transfer appeal for key players remains low Do you think Kevin’s plan is to build infrastructure over the next 5 years to make the club have all the facilities and functionality A level of hope in trying to improve revenues via hospitality, stadium events, merchandise The main ingredients on the pitch (the players) will remain as per our budget (low cost, budget, frees, unwanted, out of contract, untested) for many years ahead and may stay like this if the off pitch revenues don’t change ? Player trading seems to no longer be a strategy at the club ? Just wanted opinions on our current strategy It is obvious with the extension of DK contract and associated comments from staff what the direction of travel is, i.e. secure the good professionals. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 21, 2024 15:25:27 GMT 1
Just have a look at last 18 months and where we are todate 18 month of stadium talks and slowly getting near Town able to run the stadium commercially now The H Town pre match area opening this week The steps forward in academy Maintenance of the stadium Dressing room overhaul Speakers / sound system upgraded New website Improved YouTube format New merchandise with US influence Fire displays pre match A light show Freezing of ticket prices Removal of majority of the staff from directors down - reset Plenty of warm talk on positivity, prem league in 3 years, Netflix and various echo chambers of hype which has settled after 18 months of new chairman settling in Fantasic interims of progress off the pitch On the pitch / managers - On 4th permanent manager in 18 months A relegation Injuries / injury prone signings (budget limitations) Extend contracts on players that are getting older Transfer market performance mainly low budget, out of contract, unwanted or unproven players with sale of Rudoni to help fill a small hole Style of football is organised, structured but limited flair and excitement Inconsistency in results at the moment Overall value of the squad is low and transfer appeal for key players remains low Do you think Kevin’s plan is to build infrastructure over the next 5 years to make the club have all the facilities and functionality A level of hope in trying to improve revenues via hospitality, stadium events, merchandise The main ingredients on the pitch (the players) will remain as per our budget (low cost, budget, frees, unwanted, out of contract, untested) for many years ahead and may stay like this if the off pitch revenues don’t change ? Player trading seems to no longer be a strategy at the club ? Just wanted opinions on our current strategy Interesting and decent post, but the two bold things: First bit: What staff are you on about? We actually retained every member of behind-the-scenes staff upon relegation. Or do you mean the directors being replaced ie Ann Hough? Second bit: for the umpteenth time neither KN OR his DATM mouthpiece Justasmithers have EVER claimed Prem in 3 years, it was an irreverent hand grenade tossed by NW on his way out, along with "this squad is good enough for the playoffs", Neil's usual way of covering his own arse.** Agree that until our revenue streams are a bit healthier I don't think we'll be doing a Brum-style buying the league. KN has actually put plenty of money in. Do I think it's enough? No, results clearly suggest otherwise. But I'd rather build slowly than boom and bust. DH has said before that we weren't ready for the PL and the slide since backs that up - instead of setting us up, it actually helped fk the club up, although DH could have mitigated that (parachute payments, not investing on the playing side after relegation, etc), which has been debated to death obviously. Overall IMO KN is doing an okay job so far - on the pitch shit obviously, but I'd put that mostly down to Cartwright with the caveat that KN is to blame for him still being in post, much to all our disbelief. Off the pitch I think it's progressing nicely, just not as quickly as I'd hoped, although things do seem to be speeding up and coming together quicker than before. ** not exactly a dig, I absolutely love King Colin, but he has a way with words and actions. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Nov 21, 2024 15:56:30 GMT 1
I've always been a little bit sceptical as to why KN initially got involved in Town. Quite why an American who had probably never heard of Huddersfield wanted to but a club who generally loses money hand over fist still baffles to me this day.
I look at it and I think Nagle was probably sold a dream and he got involved as a business opportunity first. I think the timing was right for Hoyle and we'd not long been in the Play Off Final vs Forest with a squad that cost very little to put together. I think Nagle was told this would be easy to replicate and he saw an opportunity to get involved with the idea of being able to spend very little and replicate that season and get the Premier League and then benefit from the riches that brings. His earlier posts on Twitter suggested this was his thinking and he'd argue with anyone and everyone who told him it might not be as easy as that.
I do now think that over time he has come to have an affinity with Huddersfield Town, which is great, and has probably now realised that it will take a lot more than he imagined to get Town back to the Premier League, a feat now ever more difficult after relegation to League One.
I think his heart is in the right place, and he has clearly invested in the stadium and is looking to maximise its potential in terms of bringing in extra income while also adding value to the Club in terms of having the stadium as an asset. It will be interesting to see how the stadium situation ends and where it will sit within the structure of the club. This appears to be the main strategy as it stands while the football side seems to plod along. January will be a big indicator as to how ambitious he is in terms of the playing side of things, especially if we are pushing top 6 and he has said publicly he want automatic promotion. Will he back his words with actions? Time will tell.
I'm still very much 50/50 with him, and how he goes about things and still worry as to how this will all end, but hoping Kevin can find success during his time with HTFC.
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Post by htfcterry on Nov 21, 2024 16:11:09 GMT 1
I've always been a little bit sceptical as to why KN initially got involved in Town. Quite why an American who had probably never heard of Huddersfield wanted to but a club who generally loses money hand over fist still baffles to me this day. I look at it and I think Nagle was probably sold a dream and he got involved as a business opportunity first. I think the timing was right for Hoyle and we'd not long been in the Play Off Final vs Forest with a squad that cost very little to put together. I think Nagle was told this would be easy to replicate and he saw an opportunity to get involved with the idea of being able to spend very little and replicate that season and get the Premier League and then benefit from the riches that brings. His earlier posts on Twitter suggested this was his thinking and he'd argue with anyone and everyone who told him it might not be as easy as that. I do now think that over time he has come to have an affinity with Huddersfield Town, which is great, and has probably now realised that it will take a lot more than he imagined to get Town back to the Premier League, a feat now ever more difficult after relegation to League One. I think his heart is in the right place, and he has clearly invested in the stadium and is looking to maximise its potential in terms of bringing in extra income while also adding value to the Club in terms of having the stadium as an asset. It will be interesting to see how the stadium situation ends and where it will sit within the structure of the club. This appears to be the main strategy as it stands while the football side seems to plod along. January will be a big indicator as to how ambitious he is in terms of the playing side of things, especially if we are pushing top 6 and he has said publicly he want automatic promotion. Will he back his words with actions? Time will tell. I'm still very much 50/50 with him, and how he goes about things and still worry as to how this will all end, but hoping Kevin can find success during his time with HTFC. Exactly my concerns with him and it's a very fair question to ask. To be fair to him he's laid the foundations so far off the field of building something special, he's listened to the fans on what they want and delivered. The biggest ask for every fan is that the football improves on the pitch and we get back to been a top 30 club. I'm judging mostly on what's happened off it so far, there's alot more learning and risk taking when it comes to what happens on the pitch. So far, I think he (or people around him especially) are under performing in that area. He can go on about how in depth reports are and read every single analysis under the sun but when you're signing Ladapo on a free after a summer window and claiming you've watched him all summer, something can't be right. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 21, 2024 16:12:57 GMT 1
I've always been a little bit sceptical as to why KN initially got involved in Town. Quite why an American who had probably never heard of Huddersfield wanted to but a club who generally loses money hand over fist still baffles to me this day. I look at it and I think Nagle was probably sold a dream and he got involved as a business opportunity first. I think the timing was right for Hoyle and we'd not long been in the Play Off Final vs Forest with a squad that cost very little to put together. I think Nagle was told this would be easy to replicate and he saw an opportunity to get involved with the idea of being able to spend very little and replicate that season and get the Premier League and then benefit from the riches that brings. His earlier posts on Twitter suggested this was his thinking and he'd argue with anyone and everyone who told him it might not be as easy as that. I do now think that over time he has come to have an affinity with Huddersfield Town, which is great, and has probably now realised that it will take a lot more than he imagined to get Town back to the Premier League, a feat now ever more difficult after relegation to League One. I think his heart is in the right place, and he has clearly invested in the stadium and is looking to maximise its potential in terms of bringing in extra income while also adding value to the Club in terms of having the stadium as an asset. It will be interesting to see how the stadium situation ends and where it will sit within the structure of the club. This appears to be the main strategy as it stands while the football side seems to plod along. January will be a big indicator as to how ambitious he is in terms of the playing side of things, especially if we are pushing top 6 and he has said publicly he want automatic promotion. Will he back his words with actions? Time will tell. I'm still very much 50/50 with him, and how he goes about things and still worry as to how this will all end, but hoping Kevin can find success during his time with HTFC. This. If Cartwright oversees yet another batch of injury-prone, mentally weak, not-good-enough-for-purpose players and remains in the job then I'll think KN has a nefarious agenda. Like you I think he originally (naively) thought it would be easy to turn us round, maybe DH overplayed the situation, who knows. But I DO believe (hope?) he has bought into the club emotionally now. |
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Post by incognito on Nov 21, 2024 16:28:47 GMT 1
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Post by crux on Nov 21, 2024 18:00:44 GMT 1
I've always been a little bit sceptical as to why KN initially got involved in Town. Quite why an American who had probably never heard of Huddersfield wanted to but a club who generally loses money hand over fist still baffles to me this day. I look at it and I think Nagle was probably sold a dream and he got involved as a business opportunity first. I think the timing was right for Hoyle and we'd not long been in the Play Off Final vs Forest with a squad that cost very little to put together. I think Nagle was told this would be easy to replicate and he saw an opportunity to get involved with the idea of being able to spend very little and replicate that season and get the Premier League and then benefit from the riches that brings. His earlier posts on Twitter suggested this was his thinking and he'd argue with anyone and everyone who told him it might not be as easy as that. I do now think that over time he has come to have an affinity with Huddersfield Town, which is great, and has probably now realised that it will take a lot more than he imagined to get Town back to the Premier League, a feat now ever more difficult after relegation to League One. I think his heart is in the right place, and he has clearly invested in the stadium and is looking to maximise its potential in terms of bringing in extra income while also adding value to the Club in terms of having the stadium as an asset. It will be interesting to see how the stadium situation ends and where it will sit within the structure of the club. This appears to be the main strategy as it stands while the football side seems to plod along. January will be a big indicator as to how ambitious he is in terms of the playing side of things, especially if we are pushing top 6 and he has said publicly he want automatic promotion. Will he back his words with actions? Time will tell. I'm still very much 50/50 with him, and how he goes about things and still worry as to how this will all end, but hoping Kevin can find success during his time with HTFC. This. If Cartwright oversees yet another batch of injury-prone, mentally weak, not-good-enough-for-purpose players and remains in the job then I'll think KN has a nefarious agenda. Like you I think he originally (naively) thought it would be easy to turn us round, maybe DH overplayed the situation, who knows. But I DO believe (hope?) he has bought into the club emotionally now. I'm not sure how he can have 'a nefarious agenda'. He might well be 'completely bonkers' for getting involved with Town. But, saying that a successful and wealthy American businessman would deliberately choose to buy Huddersfield Town for nefarious reasons is well beyond satire. He would probably have had a better chance of making money by just going into the casino that the new major owner of Sacremento Republic own, and putting everything on Red (or Black 😉) |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 21, 2024 18:19:29 GMT 1
There’s absolutely no doubt that KN intends to move this club forward in my opinion.
I’ve never seen so many positive off the field changes occurring in such a short time at this club before.
Of course, he will realise I’m sure, that the club have fallen short so far, on the playing side.
January represents the perfect opportunity to put right the failings of last summer with just one signing required in my view.
An injury free, experienced, ready to go forward capable of making an immediate contribution to help get us out of this terrible league.
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Post by ldr on Nov 21, 2024 18:31:19 GMT 1
Just add salt. Everything tastes better with salt.
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Post by mosher on Nov 21, 2024 18:36:14 GMT 1
This. If Cartwright oversees yet another batch of injury-prone, mentally weak, not-good-enough-for-purpose players and remains in the job then I'll think KN has a nefarious agenda. Like you I think he originally (naively) thought it would be easy to turn us round, maybe DH overplayed the situation, who knows. But I DO believe (hope?) he has bought into the club emotionally now. I'm not sure how he can have 'a nefarious agenda'. He might well be 'completely bonkers' for getting involved with Town. But, saying that a successful and wealthy American businessman would deliberately choose to buy Huddersfield Town for nefarious reasons is well beyond satire. He would probably have had a better chance of making money by just going into the casino that the new major owner of Sacremento Republic own, and putting everything on Red (or Black 😉) By nefarious agenda I just meant only interested in flipping us for a profit which, if it was his original plan, is foolhardy and naive to say the least Edit: obviously if you look at my other posts about KN I don’t believe that to be the case anyway, in fact I got accused the other day of still being up his arse if we got relegated to non-league 😂 |
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Post by hoggy1975 on Nov 21, 2024 18:40:27 GMT 1
There’s absolutely no doubt that KN intends to move this club forward in my opinion. I’ve never seen so many positive off the field changes occurring in such a short time at this club before. Of course, he will realise I’m sure, that the club have fallen short so far, on the playing side. January represents the perfect opportunity to put right the failings of last summer with just one signing required in my view. An injury free, experienced, ready to go forward capable of making an immediate contribution to help get us out of this terrible league. I’d argue more than one, Headley is not good enough to be a back up to Miller in my opinion. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Nov 21, 2024 21:28:10 GMT 1
I've always been a little bit sceptical as to why KN initially got involved in Town. Quite why an American who had probably never heard of Huddersfield wanted to but a club who generally loses money hand over fist still baffles to me this day. I look at it and I think Nagle was probably sold a dream and he got involved as a business opportunity first. I think the timing was right for Hoyle and we'd not long been in the Play Off Final vs Forest with a squad that cost very little to put together. I think Nagle was told this would be easy to replicate and he saw an opportunity to get involved with the idea of being able to spend very little and replicate that season and get the Premier League and then benefit from the riches that brings. His earlier posts on Twitter suggested this was his thinking and he'd argue with anyone and everyone who told him it might not be as easy as that. I do now think that over time he has come to have an affinity with Huddersfield Town, which is great, and has probably now realised that it will take a lot more than he imagined to get Town back to the Premier League, a feat now ever more difficult after relegation to League One. I think his heart is in the right place, and he has clearly invested in the stadium and is looking to maximise its potential in terms of bringing in extra income while also adding value to the Club in terms of having the stadium as an asset. It will be interesting to see how the stadium situation ends and where it will sit within the structure of the club. This appears to be the main strategy as it stands while the football side seems to plod along. January will be a big indicator as to how ambitious he is in terms of the playing side of things, especially if we are pushing top 6 and he has said publicly he want automatic promotion. Will he back his words with actions? Time will tell. I'm still very much 50/50 with him, and how he goes about things and still worry as to how this will all end, but hoping Kevin can find success during his time with HTFC. That's very Pozzatif all things considered |
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Post by duncfost01 on Nov 21, 2024 22:07:18 GMT 1
What’s the transfer policy / aims / long term goals ?
Who is the next player we could sell
On for a decent fee ?
I can’t think of anyone we have signed since Cartwright took
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Post by htafcdreams on Nov 21, 2024 22:53:20 GMT 1
I was wondering if fans thought the future strategy was either:
Build up all the infrastructure, stadium events land around the stadium, academy, hospitality and merchandise over the years to try and create enough revenue to support the transfer / wage budget ?
(I’m thinking this is likely option above and would involve treading water in transfer market for a long time)
Or just do the off the field rebuild to a certain level ie not much further to go once in full ownership of the stadium and then plough more (than currently) into youth, players in a push to move up the leagues and move into player trading ?
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Post by BlueValour on Nov 21, 2024 23:15:11 GMT 1
I was wondering if fans thought the future strategy was either: Build up all the infrastructure, stadium events land around the stadium, academy, hospitality and merchandise over the years to try and create enough revenue to support the transfer / wage budget ? (I’m thinking this is likely option above and would involve treading water in transfer market for a long time) Or just do the off the field rebuild to a certain level ie not much further to go once in full ownership of the stadium and then plough more (than currently) into youth, players in a push to move up the leagues and move into player trading ? Sadly, I am not seeing a future strategy and the Club have been silent on this. The business (or lack thereof) we do in January will give us a clue but what we need, and I suggest have a right to expect, is a strategy document, if such a thing exists! Or are they following Wilkins Micawber? |
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Post by htafcdreams on Nov 21, 2024 23:39:38 GMT 1
It’s difficult because we’ve always had limited resources and money has gone into loans / signings nothing else and we struck gold with Wagner and nearly the same with Carlos.
So ownership of the stadium, infrastructure, academy etc isn’t something we’ve had before and unknown what it will lead to ie success on the pitch
Agree with an earlier post about not being ready for the Prem and it basically damaged us longer term
Maybe as a fan it’s hard to be satisfied with the off the field stuff when your bored watching league 1 football (due to the standard league is and our limited flare due to limitations in the playing squad)
Maybe as a fan your happy if off the field infrastructure is terrible as long as exciting on the field but ultimately as a club your not going anywhere in that situation
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Post by ambryboy on Nov 22, 2024 0:15:54 GMT 1
I'd rather have a shit ground and a decent team.
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Post by runner76 on Nov 22, 2024 0:33:00 GMT 1
When I first looked at the layout of the original post I thought it was song lyrics….or a poem…..
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Post by Big Ern on Nov 22, 2024 1:08:54 GMT 1
I was wondering if fans thought the future strategy was either: Build up all the infrastructure, stadium events land around the stadium, academy, hospitality and merchandise over the years to try and create enough revenue to support the transfer / wage budget ? (I’m thinking this is likely option above and would involve treading water in transfer market for a long time) Or just do the off the field rebuild to a certain level ie not much further to go once in full ownership of the stadium and then plough more (than currently) into youth, players in a push to move up the leagues and move into player trading ? Sadly, I am not seeing a future strategy and the Club have been silent on this. The business (or lack thereof) we do in January will give us a clue but what we need, and I suggest have a right to expect, is a strategy document, if such a thing exists! Or are they following Wilkins Micawber? Do you actually know what a strategy is? It's a plan to achieve a goal over a period of time. You do that by building infrastructure, I.e the stadium, brand, staff, culture etc etc. You don't need a document it's as plain as day what they are trying to do. They haven't got the operational element right. That's what they need to work on. |
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Post by keefer on Nov 22, 2024 4:15:37 GMT 1
There’s absolutely no doubt that KN intends to move this club forward in my opinion. I’ve never seen so many positive off the field changes occurring in such a short time at this club before. Of course, he will realise I’m sure, that the club have fallen short so far, on the playing side. January represents the perfect opportunity to put right the failings of last summer with just one signing required in my view. An injury free, experienced, ready to go forward capable of making an immediate contribution to help get us out of this terrible league. I’d argue more than one, Headley is not good enough to be a back up to Miller in my opinion. Why do you feel the need to randomly single out one player, or do you have an agenda against that particular player? |
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