How was that acceptable yesterday?????

[Davey Monroe]

I'm sick of hearing Town fans saying "We were unlucky", "It was the ref's fault", "It was a good effort", "we were on top for half an hour", "We didn't play that badly", "Well done boys"...etc

WE WERE UTTER GASH FOR AN HOUR!!!!!!!!!

People seem to be forgetting we were playing a LEAGUE 1 TEAM. No the L**ds team under David O'Leary who got to the Intertoto cup quarter final (or something similar) a few years back.

Yesterday's performance & attitude of the players on the the whole, was unacceptable for me! Totally defeatist!!

There is no way we'd have lost 0-4 under Peter Jackson because the players wouldn't have dared go into the dressing room after the game, instead Ritchie will undoubtedly blame "over worked", "training too hard"...etc

The facts are we didn't test their keeper with any venom at all yesterday & we've now conceded 8 goals in 2 games.

If we don't get tougher we're going down.

Ritchie, give us some passion or leave your post as manager!!

Rant over.....for now!

[Deleted]

We were unlucky. Unlucky that we had to rely on a 17yr old kid in goal (because of incompetent officials) and unlucky that the referee was a coward.

"There is no way we'd have lost 0-4 under Peter Jackson because the players wouldn't have dared go into the dressing room after the game"

Had to laugh at this. Do you not remember a certain match at Barnsley a few years ago?

[Nickhudds.UTT]

yes, in 2nd half we looked very predictable and slow going forward. when beckett came on it wasnt pretty watching him try to run onto thru balls. leeds stopped kamara playing on the right in 2nd half and we never looked like scoring. but leeds will walk this league even with 15 points off !

ttid

[Davey Monroe]

How much protection did Smithies have? NONE

How much passion did the players show? NONE

How many times did our players challenge the ref's terrible decisions? NEVER, after all, they get paid whatever the result!

As for Jacko, do you honestly think his team would have sat back and capitulated like we did yesterday?

I'm sick of Lilly livered, Pansie Town fans who are just happy to sit back and accept all the trash we have thrown at us!


Grrrrrrrrrrrr

[190119]

Absolutely agree with you daveymonroe , nothing but pathetic excuses made by some fans, someone even posted that we are progressing nicely under Ritchie!!

Well if the last two games are progress I dread to think what a downturn will bring.

[Lard Buttie]

For the first 45 mins we were the better team!! Well maybe the first 20 mins then.

We didn't take our chances when we had them early on and if you don't do that then you run the risk of not winning games. Its happened at the Galph many many times over the last few seasons and we've ended up losing to crappy teams. The fact we've 4 decent strikers seems to matter not one jot.

It was mentioned on Radio Leeds yesterday before the game that if Leeeeeeeeeeds got an early goal then the floodgates would open. They didn't and they did if you get my drift.

We looked terrible in defence in 2nd half. It reminded me of the Yeovil away game on sky. Everytime Yeovil got the ball they looked like they would score.

I think its a psychological problem with our defence. Its looked shaky & creaky irrespective of who plays at C/B. We don't seem to have the gumption & guile to be able to shut up shop when needed.

At times watching Town over the last few seasons we at times look to be playing with 10 men when we've actually got 11 on the pitch.

When it somes to the crunch we always seem to fall short. That's what I find worrying about us.

[Heckyblue]

190119 said:

Absolutely agree with you daveymonroe , nothing but pathetic excuses made by some fans, someone even posted that we are progressing nicely under Ritchie!!

Well if the last two games are progress I dread to think what a downturn will bring.

I'm with you on this one. We seem to be getting no better.
People were saying that all we need in the team is experience to go with the youth.
Well we now have Sinclair, Wallwork, Cadders, Booth who are experienced, but still no improvement. Let's hope when Worthy is fit he makes a real difference.
Thank God that Luton have gone into admin, or we would be looking over our shoulders nervously.

[scotthtafc4eva]

the main difference yestrday was the pace in the leeds team, how long have we been saying now that we need pace in our team, a few years at least! Why he subbed Jevons i dont know he looked our only threat, i would of taken schofield off as he looked to be tiring and hardly had any impace in the game. i feel something has to change if we are to get back into the championship.

[jimmymac1964]

the difference between l**ds and every other team in league 1 is beckford and kandol simple as,,,,,if they did,nt have these two they wouldent be where they are now,,,,,,LONG LIVE THE TOWN

[Deleted]

daveymonroe said:

There is no way we'd have lost 0-4 under Peter Jackson because the players wouldn't have dared go into the dressing room after the game, instead Ritchie will undoubtedly blame "over worked", "training too hard"...etc

what a load of tosh,we`d have lost 0-8 under Jackson due to his tactical ineptness & his inability to have any kind of game plan apart from kick it as far & as high as you can.

[arnhemterrier]

moaner is with us. At least with Jacko, the team always seemed to bounce back the next week, With Barnsley we won the next game 4-0. With Scunny away, we beat table toppers Hull, with Maccy, we went on a run for promotion. We never got two sound thrashings in a row.

And Jacko had a reputation for getting them fired up for big games as well.

[jimmynich]

Unlucky as we were losing glennon a proper team would have gk cover.We are run like a bloody sunday league pub team.

[LordyOfTheManor]

moaner30 said:

daveymonroe said:

what a load of tosh,we`d have lost 0-8 under Jackson due to his tactical ineptness & his inability to have any kind of game plan apart from kick it as far & as high as you can.

is it any different now?

[midge]

Typical Town fans!!!

3 wins in a row and we could make the play offs, lose the next three and we are relegation fodder!!!

Let's put this into perspective!!

We were better than a team who are arguably the best team in this league for 45 mins.

The fine line between success and failure yesterday were a young goalie and a dodgy sending off decision!! Had they gone our way it could have been a completely different game!!

I look at the positives and for me we now have the best left back in this division and Jevons (if we sign him and he stays fit!!) one of the better forwards!!

Playing as we did in the first half and with things going our way a bit more we will win more than we will lose. The crux to me being adding 1 or two more players who can take us to the next level!!

[rocky]

daveymonroe said:

I'm sick of hearing Town fans saying "We were unlucky", "It was the ref's fault", "It was a good effort", "we were on top for half an hour", "We didn't play that badly", "Well done boys"...etc

WE WERE UTTER GASH FOR AN HOUR!!!!!!!!!

People seem to be forgetting we were playing a LEAGUE 1 TEAM. No the L**ds team under David O'Leary who got to the Intertoto cup quarter final (or something similar) a few years back.

Yesterday's performance & attitude of the players on the the whole, was unacceptable for me! Totally defeatist!!

There is no way we'd have lost 0-4 under Peter Jackson because the players wouldn't have dared go into the dressing room after the game, instead Ritchie will undoubtedly blame "over worked", "training too hard"...etc

The facts are we didn't test their keeper with any venom at all yesterday & we've now conceded 8 goals in 2 games.

If we don't get tougher we're going down.

Ritchie, give us some passion or leave your post as manager!!

Rant over.....for now!

[rocky]

I wouldnt say we were gash for an hour - more like the last 30 minutes. For the first hour Town more than matched them & a 2 nil scoreline by the hour mark was a travesty.

That said the 2nd goal was a killer & Town were never going to recover from that. There was nothing to suggest in the first hour that Leeds were any better than the rest in this division.

What is gash though is the defence. Nothing new there - its been like this for 3 years & heavy away defeat follows heavy away defeat. One of Clarke & Mirfin (or even both) have to go, as they are not good enough even at this level.

I dont think we will go down, but the number of goals conceeded rules out any possibility of even a top half finish. To even achieve that, Jevons has to be signed, because no one else will score enough goals.

[Davey Monroe]

nickhudd903 said:

yes, in 2nd half we looked very predictable and slow going forward. when beckett came on it wasnt pretty watching him try to run onto thru balls. leeds stopped kamara playing on the right in 2nd half and we never looked like scoring. but leeds will walk this league even with 15 points off !

ttid

You're right! L**ds DID stop Kamara, and from then on we looked clueless!

If we could see this, why couldn't Ritchie? And if he did, why didn't he do anything about it?

We obviously went with Booth upfront so Kamara could get crosses into the box for him to meet/hold up/battle for. This was obviously plan A! After 20 minutes it was obvious the plan wasn't going work as the delivery wasn't good enough (Sorry Malvin) so why didn't we change it?

Why didn't we look for other avenues instead of simply giving up and dreaming of a nice hot bath after the game??

That's what annoys me!

[Davey Monroe]

rocky said:

I wouldnt say we were gash for an hour - more like the last 30 minutes. For the first hour Town more than matched them & a 2 nil scoreline by the hour mark was a travesty.

That said the 2nd goal was a killer & Town were never going to recover from that. There was nothing to suggest in the first hour that Leeds were any better than the rest in this division.

What is gash though is the defence. Nothing new there - its been like this for 3 years & heavy away defeat follows heavy away defeat. One of Clarke & Mirfin (or even both) have to go, as they are not good enough even at this level.

I dont think we will go down, but the number of goals conceeded rules out any possibility of even a top half finish. To even achieve that, Jevons has to be signed, because no one else will score enough goals.

Actually, at 0-2 I could still see a way back into it for Town if we'd have looked for other ways of penetrating their defence, other than feeding Kamara every time, so he could run straight into their left back & their left winger, who both did brilliantly at shutting Malvin out of the game!

The defence was non existent at times (as per...) but I think the midfield could have done a lot more, Scoffer disappeared again in the 2nd half, as he always does, and when going forward we could have used Robbie Williams more, he looked a real threat at times!

Don't get me completely wrong, I do look for positives out of defeats, and we did look very good for the 1st 20 minutes or so, but if the lads can't get themselves up for L**ds Utd away, in front of 32'501 people, then there's no hope for us!

Also, I still have confidence in Mirf & think he would benefit from us having more options in defence so that he & Hoof could be rested every now and then. Instead of having one bad game after the other, and losing more & more confidence as is now the case, a rest could do wonders for their confidence?? Either way, we don't currently have enough in defence

[SN0W]

Forgot about him taking Jevons Off.... what was that about as he was the only player who looked as though he could score....

[marshian]

Don't forget Boothy & Jevons were probably subbed because they were knackered.

[terrier67]

Why do we keep getting told that "this is the fittest squad of players on the planet" and then we get commetned like "his legs had gone so we subbed him". They are all (well most of them) under 30, loads of real youngsters, but come the second hald we look absolutely shot. That's when the huge gaps appear and the opposition just run at us for fun. Surely the coaching is responsible - what exactly do the fitness tests prove - not that we can run for 90 minutes. I mean if I said to my boss, I will be OK from 9 til about 2:30 then I need a rest, I am sure this would not be acceptable - and I am not on anywhere near the money these guys are.

[jackosgal]

moaner30 said:

what a load of tosh,we`d have lost 0-8 under Jackson due to his tactical ineptness & his inability to have any kind of game plan apart from kick it as far & as high as you can.

The only thing that is a load of tosh my friend is the whole of your post. Utter rubbish.

[hughphamism]

Midge - have you not noticed how shocking our away defensive record is.

Any side that concedes goals the way we do is going nowhere.

That's at least 3 times we've conceded 4 away from home this season - will it be the last?

[HuddsTerrier]

hughphamism said:

Midge - have you not noticed how shocking our away defensive record is.

Any side that concedes goals the way we do is going nowhere.

That's at least 3 times we've conceded 4 away from home this season - will it be the last?

For the record we've been beaten away by a margin of three or more on SIX occassions this season ...

L**ds (4-0)
Southend (4-1)
Northampton (3-0)
Walsall (4-0)
Tranmere (3-0)

Plus Grimsby (4-1) in the Tin Paint Cup

And that don't doesn't include Donnie (2-0). I was totally embarassed watching that game on Sky with my (non Town fan) mates as Donnie dismantled us while we struggled with the basics!

[Floyds]

yep we have been dreadful away from home - dunno how anyone who can find positives after conceding 8 in two games away from home and being run ragged all over the pitch for 45 minutes +.

about time we stopped rolling over and dying when it goes 2-0 - as soon as that happened on saturday we were finished - absolutley no hope of getting back into it.

we were awful at crewe as well HuddsTerrier, and pretty bad at Blackpool.

although by our standards i suppose they were half decent results.

[HuddsTerrier]

floyds999 said:

yep we have been dreadful away from home - dunno how anyone who can find positives after conceding 8 in two games away from home and being run ragged all over the pitch for 45 minutes +.

about time we stopped rolling over and dying when it goes 2-0 - as soon as that happened on saturday we were finished - absolutley no hope of getting back into it.

we were awful at crewe as well HuddsTerrier, and pretty bad at Blackpool.

although by our standards i suppose they were half decent results.

Yeah Crewe was one I went to, although not been to many away this season, I can't justify £20 plus petrol etc the way we've been tonked

I seem to remember AR's post match interview at Crewe was (paraphrasing) that our final ball wasn't good enough and we needed to be braver and more committed to winning the ball ... sounds a lot like his L**ds post match comments!

Nice to see the lads / coaches taking on board the managers comments and learning from mistakes!

[SN0W]

.... and the clueless Board think that this is good football

[boxster2700]

exactly my thoughts ,good on ya,lets get real we are tosh

[dazb69]

The team doesn't seem to know that it's a 90 minute game, as has been the case for a long time, even under Jacko. The first half there was only one team in it and L***s scored against the run of play, and if we'd taken our chances and the ref hadn't bottled it with the Kishishev incident, it would have been a different story at half time. The second half, once the second goal went in, that killed ALL our spirit and the team just folded and we pressed the self destruct button. Saying that L***s weren't 4 goals the better of us and at least 2 of them were gimmes. But it doesn't read well in the papers and in our goals against stats. It's time for an experienced centre back to play alongside Mirf, IMHO.

[midge]

Have to disagree Daz!!

Clarke tends to take all the flak but Mirfin has been dogshit this season!!!!

To take a neutral point of view, a mate who supports L**ds (apologies to everyone!! ) exact comments after the game were 'who the fuck was that No 5!!)'