Very poor from Lee Clark Today

[topcat5512]

Couldn't agree more.
Think everyone can agree today was a tactical nightmare!
Lee Clark made a few mistakes, the 1st bein startin that fuckin lazy bastard lukas whatever his name is! send him back!
The 1st goal was Tom Clarke's fault, don't know what he was thinking!!
2nd goal, the whole back 4 was to blame, play to the bastard whistle boys!! they all stood there waiting for the ref to blow for offside!
The best decision Lee made was taking that waste of space lukas off and bringing Danny Cads on! played like a real work horse, good stamina.
2nd mistake was lettin Blobby Williams take that penalty! our strikers are not confident to take them, which is a vital key we are missing.
3rd is not bringin Lionel on earlier, allthough Roberts wasnt having the best of games, he realy got involved in his last 5-10 mins.

What i would of done is tucked Pilkington (who had a blinder yet again, 4 MOM's out of the last 7, beat his man nearly every time) behind Boothy (Who worked realy hard 1st half despite clearly being in pain, quiet 2nd half tho) took Blobby off for Lionel, leaving 3 at the back with Lionel wide right.

It was ridiculous keeping 4 at the back to mark the 1 striker, especialy as it was there skipper who looked so out of shape and no threat what so ever.

We need to sign a striker or 2, and a new center back, one that will command the rest of defence, rather than knocking each other over.

[tom]

very poor post today yours
didnt see lee clark playing today must have been the players then

[markybobs]

fuck off u negative bastards u do my head in well said tom

[dan]

Starting Boothy. Big mistake... Last 15 Minute man in my eyes!

Why not start Jevons & Ainsworth?

& Why take roberts off? hmm

[huddy]

Ainsworth wripped Leeds apart in first half got injured and since then he hasn't started a game much more to come from him yet. Be a major part in our promotion push next season!

[jqhtfc]

Dont think you can lay that shower yesterday directly at the feet of Clark, think his team selection was sound he played 442 he changed it round when it wasnt working, he maybe could have got ainsworth on abit earlier and had a real go when they were down to 10.
But it wasnt Clark who headed the ball to there forward for the 1st nor was it him who failed to tacke the lad for the 2nd, the players have to take a long hard look at themselves aswell.

[Deleted]

He didn't start with Ainsworth and Jevons because Jevons (who's off to Bury anyway), has had plenty of chances this season and just hasn't done it (I like him, but for whatever reason his condidence has gone). As for Ainsworth, I'm sure he'll be a great player for us, but I don't think his heads right at the moment. Put the two of them together and you've got one of the most lightweight forward partnerships available, made up of two out of form players.

Booth had good games against Tranmere and MK so deserved to start, and I think it was worth giving Lukas a go as part of a front 2. Its so easy to criticise who he picks up front with hindsight, the fact is none of them are up to the job at the moment.

It looks to me like Cads and Booth are our best option for the rest of the season, hopefully we can keep them both fit and stick with them for the last 8 games, because I don't think chopping and changing is helping us right now.

[Deleted]

A lot of people are criticising the subs, but the thing is after we made the substitutions we created some great chances, a penalty a goal, and a bad miss from Cads. Having one less defender on wouldn't have made Williams score the penalty or Cads put away that header. It may well have led to us conceding a goal though, Cheltenham were still threatining on the break with 4 defenders on the pitch.

Anyway, didn't Butler get thrown up front towards the end?

[Nickhudds.UTT]

There is absolutely no point in all the negative stuff imo.

Lets deal with the fact that we were not good enough this season and now give Clark the closed season to make massive changes and clear out the sub standard. I will be down at edgar street to support the boys as will a few hundred more.
There are still massive positives At Huddersfield Town and we have a very good new management team.
We are all really frustrated with some of the players as will Clark be also. Lets just be still appreciative we have such a great club to support and follow all the developments. A team like Millwall who I was not impressed with at all are showing that you dont thave to do anything special to really have a go in this division, hopefully we will do exactly what they have done next time !

TTID.

[Tont]

To a certain extent, I can understand leaving a back 4 after they had gone down to 10.

THe players have a system to play to (a straight 442), and if we had gone 343, then I think the players would have reverted to a straight "lump it up to Booth and hope for the best" attitude.

I can understand the opposite argument also, saying that Cheltenham were bottom of the table and were there for the beating (their defence, particularly the fullbacks, were truely woeful) etc, but if we had been caught on the counter (a la Millwall), then we would have had no chance.

I think that if we had scored the penalty, then you would probably have seen a tactial on field change them, (Butler up front as the last few minutes etc)

I think it's a vicious circle at the moment, players have lost their confidence, crowd boos, players feel worse, crowds boo - you know the rest.

I know the argument goes on weekly on this board, but I have never booed the team, and cannot understand for the life of me how that would help a player - the booing of Williams on his first touch after the save was beyond my belief

The comment was made on MOTD last night that Stoke fans never boo their team.
I think once Lee gets his own players and gets them playing for him, you will see the real passion.

If I remember the words coming from the players whem Lee was appointed was exactly that - he gave them the feeling that they WANTED DESPERATLEY to play for him. - unfortunately, some were probably lying, some just aren't good enough, but we must give him time, and I am sure the King Deano will give him that time

We're all pissed off 'cause yet again we haven't won. It ruins my weekend, as much as anybody on here, as we're all passionate about one thing - HTFC (and maybe the wife and kids also - but they're a definite second!!)
Anyway - the championship is on now, so I'm going to get all pissed off again !!

UTT

[hughphamism]

Mar 22, 2009 11:10:47 GMT 1 paulmat said:

A lot of people are criticising the subs, but the thing is after we made the substitutions we created some great chances, a penalty a goal, and a bad miss from Cads. Having one less defender on wouldn't have made Williams score the penalty or Cads put away that header. It may well have led to us conceding a goal though, Cheltenham were still threatining on the break with 4 defenders on the pitch.

Anyway, didn't Butler get thrown up front towards the end?

He may well have done but wouldn't we have been better off with our top scorer being up there?

[hughphamism]

Mar 22, 2009 0:33:22 GMT 1 tom said:

very poor post today yours
didnt see lee clark playing today must have been the players then

Might as well have Mick Wadsworth in charge then...

[sunflower]

Mar 22, 2009 13:36:03 GMT 1 hughphamism said:

Mar 22, 2009 0:33:22 GMT 1 tom said:

very poor post today yours
didnt see lee clark playing today must have been the players then

Might as well have Mick Wadsworth in charge then...

We're shite, have been for the majority of the 30 years i've been going! The odd season above mediocrity is all we can hope for. Let's not just accept the fact, let's embrace it, it's what we are all about! And i just love it

Up the Town and heres to the next 30 years of averageness!!!!!

[Deleted]

Mar 22, 2009 13:35:27 GMT 1 hughphamism said:

Mar 22, 2009 11:10:47 GMT 1 paulmat said:

A lot of people are criticising the subs, but the thing is after we made the substitutions we created some great chances, a penalty a goal, and a bad miss from Cads. Having one less defender on wouldn't have made Williams score the penalty or Cads put away that header. It may well have led to us conceding a goal though, Cheltenham were still threatining on the break with 4 defenders on the pitch.

Anyway, didn't Butler get thrown up front towards the end?

He may well have done but wouldn't we have been better off with our top scorer being up there?

Well he'd probably have scored the penalty at least.

[jim100]

Heres another way at looking at it:

I though Clarke's tatics and subs were good today.

Taking a defender off would have upset the shape of the team and would have left us exposed to a pacey attack.

Would town have adapted quick enough? doubt it based on recent form

Clark saw how poor Jukavic was playing and proactive action and took him off. Cadders comes on and changes the course of the game.

Flynn came on and played well as did Ainsworth.

He put Butler up front in the last few minutes and he managed to score an equaliser.

IMO his tatics CONTRIBUTED to us clawing a result out, not hindering it.

The only slight critic you can level at Clark is why did he start with Jucovic but it appears that Cadders was not match fit and Jevons is going to Bury

[pozza]

Mar 22, 2009 2:15:51 GMT 1 markybobs said:

fuck off u negative bastards u do my head in well said tom

There is a difference between being negative and giving your opinion....

Do you think we played well yesterday?

[jqhtfc]

i dont think we played too badly yeasterday Dan we created enough chances just couldnt win the game cant say we didnt give it a go. its like we were talking about during the game the Clark may have his faults and in my opinion should have brought ainsworth on earlier but the players also have to take blame for individual mistakes.

[thrice]

Mar 22, 2009 18:39:12 GMT 1 jqhtfc said:

i dont think we played too badly yeasterday Dan we created enough chances just couldnt win the game cant say we didnt give it a go. its like we were talking about during the game the Clark may have his faults and in my opinion should have brought ainsworth on earlier but the players also have to take blame for individual mistakes.

Come on call a spade a spade. Cheltenham have seven points from their travels and damn near left with all the points yesterday despite playing with ten men for half an hour and having to make two first half substitutions. I cannot recall many chances nor their keeper being called into play.

[jqhtfc]

We were very lucky mate yesterday i agree but we did have a go at them we just aint good enough this season. As for chances i think cheltenham had two and scored them both that says alot both from our mistakes, dont get me wrong we should be beating teams like that at home and i was very disappointed we didnt but ive seen us play alot worse and win, as for not creating chances collins hitting the bar, williams penelty save, cads last min header, great save by there goal keeper to keep out roberts in 1st half to name a few!

[sunflower]

Let's face it, we'll be better off iff we finish this season badly. If we get a few good wins everyone will start to think we're nearly a top 6 team (including the players). The reality is we are pretty poor and lightweight, and a summer reflecting on a shite season might just be enough to spur on a few of our underachievers.

[pozza]

Mar 22, 2009 18:39:12 GMT 1 jqhtfc said:

i dont think we played too badly yeasterday Dan we created enough chances just couldnt win the game cant say we didnt give it a go. its like we were talking about during the game the Clark may have his faults and in my opinion should have brought ainsworth on earlier but the players also have to take blame for individual mistakes.

I agree the players have to take some of the blame. Clark can only do so much & he cant account for individual mistakes like Tom Clarkes header.

Clark is the manager, he is there to get the best out of the players and since he's come I think he's failed to do this.

Hopefully this bit of a bad form has mad him realise just how big-a task he has on his hands.

[Grandfather Berty of Cleck]

Mar 22, 2009 2:18:41 GMT 1 dan said:

Starting Boothy. Big mistake... Last 15 Minute man in my eyes!

Why not start Jevons & Ainsworth?

& Why take roberts off? hmm

Don't agree at all.
It was obvious from the start that they were scared to death of Boothy by doubling up on him.
If Judy Szuk wasn't such an idle barsteward he could have made better use of the space.
Booth does more work in one game than Jevons does in a season.

Why take Roberts off?
Cos he was crap.
His crosses didn't beat the first defender.
He couldn't take it past the first defender, and one the ONE occasion he did, instead of shooting or crossing he dives.

[specialun]

We had a nightmare 30 minutes, butI thought we dominated despite not playing terrifically well.

We completely dominated the last 60 minutes - we had 11 shots, chetenham 4, we had 13 corners chetenham 5.

Don't foerget we hit the bar, skimmed the post whcih was almost an o.g., missed a penalty, their keeper saved well once, roberts blocked on line, and cadders should have scored at the end. We could quite easily have scored 4 yesterday.

And on a pisitive, most managers would have waited until half time to change it - it was vital we clawed one back when we did.

I'd have done things differently - I'd have taken Lucketti off and goodiwn off, brought berrett on (vision,creativity, moves the ball quickly etc), brought ainsworth on out wide right and pushed pilkington central. But I understand him keeping the width with two full backs and trying to keep the ball wide....which is ultimately how we scored both goals, and how we got the chance for cadders at the end.

But boothy was one of our best players yesterday. They double marked him and he still won most headers.

Jevons has been poor but he was involved in our best spell this season and got far too much stick on here....but that said, most people on here wanted him out!

[BLUE&WHITE]

Rubbish thread you don't make sense. Why would you take williams off he's been our best defender recently. Clarke or lucketti. Should have gone off, also ainsworth not worth it? He's had trouble recently so we still need to see the best of him, but before he came he's played at every level of the England setup upto under 19s and was consistantly in league one team of the week when at Hereford, he doesn't turn into a bad player overnight.

[Eric Cartmenez]

Mar 22, 2009 21:03:54 GMT 1 Grandfather Berty of Cleck said:

Mar 22, 2009 2:18:41 GMT 1 dan said:

Starting Boothy. Big mistake... Last 15 Minute man in my eyes!

Why not start Jevons & Ainsworth?

& Why take roberts off? hmm

Don't agree at all.
It was obvious from the start that they were scared to death of Boothy by doubling up on him.
If Judy Szuk wasn't such an idle barsteward he could have made better use of the space.
Booth does more work in one game than Jevons does in a season.

Why take Roberts off?
Cos he was crap.
His crosses didn't beat the first defender.
He couldn't take it past the first defender, and one the ONE occasion he did, instead of shooting or crossing he dives.

Bang on with Roberts pal
he's done nothing to warrant a shirt since he came back from his ban and it really annoys me that although his corners for quite a few of the past games have very rarely cleared the first defender he continues to take them he's been useless for the last games since his ban and must be laughing at how easy he gets it. he plays crap but still gets a place in the team!!