deo1
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Post by deo1 on Dec 12, 2007 2:29:09 GMT 1
Granted the first time round Jacko could attract a good calibre of player to Town due to the fact we were a decent team in a decent division and not because of who he was...
the difference the second time round showed that Jacko hadn't the pulling power to attract a higher class of player from higher divisions..
Look at who Ritchie's brought in since he's come to town and most of them if not all have experienced the championship if not higher..
it will take time for town to be genuine title contenders for this division (we could make the play offs and win them though) as the calibre of player brought in or brought through the academy over the last few years aren't good enough or have stopped in their footballing progress alarmingly..
we've got genuine talent in this squad now and a few players who can win matches on their own.. the season is a long one and we shouldn't worry just yet... williams looks a class above and worthington should be back to his best again after the ops...
we've got pace to burn and now have a strong squad who on paper should and will start to do well...
the futures looking bright under Ritchie IMO and given time we're going to have a classy good looking squad who should go on to win things going on the type and standard of players he's bringing in!!!
Up the Town!!!!
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Post by Championship Problems on Dec 12, 2007 4:22:28 GMT 1
I absolutely agree that Ritchie has brought in a higher calibre of player compared to jackson, but wasn't the lack of attracting players the main reason he got sacked at barnsley - seems strange. I am a big fan of Ritchie and as far as i can tell he seems to be striving to bring in players that have either played at the higher levels, eg wallwork, jevons or have the potential(not current abilty) to play higher than L1 eg Kamara and Williams. I am on the whole disappointed with this seasons efforts. I do put it down to largly being a transitional period in which Ritchie is stuck with a lot of inadequate players that were a main feature in the Jackson erak, who IMO could never seem to get players that really were an improvement to what has been a very average HTAFC for a number of years. I really hope we have a good xmas and get close to maximum points, if we do i'd like to think we would have a shout for a play off spot come May. TTID
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jackosgal
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Post by jackosgal on Dec 12, 2007 13:09:13 GMT 1
Ok, I will try my hardest to be objective here!
Of course it goes without saying I would have given Jacko longer - his sacking, when it came, was at a nonsense time of the season, we weren't going up or down, and I certainly would have given him until the summer.
Agree with the sentiments about AR bringing a good standard of player since (except for Richard Keogh), and getting rid of a lot of the deadwood (I would have hoped that PJ would have done similar). Whether PJ could have got Wallwork & Jevons to Town, well I would have like to have thought so, but deep down in my heart I wonder.
Am fairly happy with what AR has achieved so far, and maybe more went on at Barnsley than met the eye. When we play well we look like Brazil, but equally look like Bradford when things are bad.
From a personal point of view I obviously miss Jacko and the passion and enthusiasm he brought, I am constantly annoyed at the Wadsworth-esque leaning against the dugout that AR employs. And I certainly don't subscribe to the view we would have been beaten 8-0 last Saturday under Jacko, no team of his would have lacked that much passion.
On the whole then Jacko for me everytime (what else would you expect me to say), but AR is doing alright, and given time (and his own backroom staff) we can be contenders under his leadership.
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Post by ACW on Dec 12, 2007 13:19:21 GMT 1
,From a personal point of view I obviously miss Jacko and the passion and enthusiasm he brought, I am constantly annoyed at the Wadsworth-esque leaning against the dugout that AR employs. And I certainly don't subscribe to the view we would have been beaten 8-0 last Saturday under Jacko, no team of his would have lacked that much passion. I assume you didn't see Jacko constantly standing by the dugout with his arms crossed in the final months of his time at Town? And I also assume you don't remember us losing 7-1 to Barnsley or 6-2 to Scunthorpe during his time at the club. I am not having a go a Jacko, but Jacko was just as guilty as Richie for standing by the dug out doing nothing, and his teams also suffered plenty of heavy losses, particularly on the road. In those two respects, there is nothing between Jacko and Richie. |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Dec 12, 2007 13:19:52 GMT 1
"When we play well we look like Brazil, but equally look like Bradford when things are bad." Quote of the new board so far  |
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jackosgal
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Post by jackosgal on Dec 12, 2007 13:32:32 GMT 1
I assume you didn't see Jacko constantly standing by the dugout with his arms crossed in the final months of his time at Town? And I also assume you don't remember us losing 7-1 to Barnsley or 6-2 to Scunthorpe during his time at the club. I am not having a go a Jacko, but Jacko was just as guilty as Richie for standing by the dug out doing nothing, and his teams also suffered plenty of heavy losses, particularly on the road. In those two respects, there is nothing between Jacko and Richie. ...yes I well remember, and I will add the Yeovil match in January to the other 2 atrocities. And I agree, ability wise there is nothing to choose between them. Just a personal view that was all  |
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Post by arnhemterrier on Dec 12, 2007 13:39:11 GMT 1
Jacko + Yorath >> Ritchie + Dungheap
Ritchie = Jacko, therefore Yorath >> Dungheap
So I conclude it is down to the backroom staff. And maths has proved it!
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Post by richhtfc on Dec 12, 2007 13:40:26 GMT 1
I was listening to 5live the other day and they were saying that it used to be a commonley held belief that new managers needed around a season and a half to get the team playing like they wanted. Half a season to get rid of the dead wood, half a season to bring in who they wanted/mould the team and half a season to get them playing. Im quietly confident that given time, Ritchie will come good. We need to support the guy for a long time yet, to give him every chance of success IMO, its gonna be a lot harder for him to machieve anything if the fans start getting on his back.
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Post by hughphamism on Dec 12, 2007 13:56:03 GMT 1
We have changed quite a few 1st team players round - Sinclair, Jevons, Wallwork, Kamara, Williams, Cadamateri but yet we still suffer the same (possibly worse) away results.
Something is still seriously wrong.
Oh and deo1 - 'bags of pace' - where, apart from Kamara & Cadamateri? l***s & Forest had bags of pace we are still sadly lacking in that department.
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Post by Floyds on Dec 12, 2007 14:32:47 GMT 1
haha - "genuine pace, strong squad, title contenders, talented players, classy good looking squad, make the playoffs"
;D ;D ;D
christ - when are they gonna show the rest of us all this?!
we have been at the level we are now for 2 calendar years - lower midtable in terms of position this and last season, and in terms of results for the 2nd half of the season before.
we are just as bad now as we ever were under jackson regardless of who is in the team.
AR has brought his own players in and hasnt gone about improving us in any single way as far as i can see.
look at the results and performances away from home at grimsby, walsall, northampton, crewe, blackpool, leeds, southend etc etc
if the players are as good as you say they are, then what has happened in all these games?
we were unlucky at southend, unlucky at leeds - we let 8 in and scored 1 FFS!
we are simply not good enough, and havent been for a long time, to get out of this league the right way.
anyone who has witnessed the performances away from home this season must surely agree!
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Post by Richard1986 on Dec 12, 2007 16:23:58 GMT 1
jacko to win any day
he would knock ritchie's stupid wobbly head off!
oh sorry were we not talking about fighting? ;D
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Dec 12, 2007 16:31:49 GMT 1
Here's a thought. Why change your formation for an away game. If we play 4-4-2 at home and get reasonable results why change away from home. If everybody new we played that way wouldn't they have to change their system to the way they play us at the Galpharm.
Just a thought.
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freddy
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Post by freddy on Dec 12, 2007 18:12:07 GMT 1
I was listening to 5live the other day and they were saying that it used to be a commonley held belief that new managers needed around a season and a half to get the team playing like they wanted. Half a season to get rid of the dead wood, half a season to bring in who they wanted/mould the team and half a season to get them playing. Im quietly confident that given time, Ritchie will come good. We need to support the guy for a long time yet, to give him every chance of success IMO, its gonna be a lot harder for him to machieve anything if the fans start getting on his back. Problem being that they aen`t often given the luxury of that amount of time |
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Post by Mirfield_blue on Dec 12, 2007 18:46:06 GMT 1
Who got Sinclair in?
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jackosgal
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Post by jackosgal on Dec 12, 2007 19:00:49 GMT 1
Jacko of course, lest we forget!  |
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