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Post by kamaraisking on Dec 16, 2007 20:12:10 GMT 1
what makes people think our coaches are crap ones got his badges to coach in the premier league which i dont think many have in this league kammy has come on in leaps and bounds since he joined us the coaches cant hold there hands on the field once they cross that white line there on there own oh and the same coaches got us in the play offs lets have a debate as to why there crap  |
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Post by Crosby on Dec 16, 2007 20:20:44 GMT 1
Which one has the badges?
The general vibe is that folk see youngsters come up from the Academy, and then fail to develop.
There are two schools of thought:
1. They don't progress because the coaching is bad
2. They don't progress because they are simply not good enough.
I reckon it's a bit of both.
The next thing is: do coaching badges REALLY mean anything?.
Methinks in the main they are a load of old cobblers.
I.
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Post by kamaraisking on Dec 16, 2007 20:26:30 GMT 1
do coaching badges mean anything? of course they do try telling that to the premier league coaches and managers how do u think they learn formations and tatics if it was a waste of time why do u have to have the badges to coach in the premier league tell you what its a waste of time going to uni to be a teacher then?
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Post by Crosby on Dec 16, 2007 20:36:36 GMT 1
do coaching badges mean anything? of course they do try telling that to the premier league coaches and managers how do u think they learn formations and tatics if it was a waste of time why do u have to have the badges to coach in the premier league tell you what its a waste of time going to uni to be a teacher then? What do you mean "of course they do"? Some of us are old enough to remember when good coaches/managers didn't need a "badge" to show they were good, they just showed it with results. They learn formations & tactics (as you put it) through, experience, learning from others, listening to other's opinions. All a bit old-fashioned I guess. Just like some of us are old enough to remember that football didn't begin with the "premier League". To me some of these badges stem from the modern fad for testing everything without letting people actually do their job. OFSTED inspections and the like spring to mind. I. |
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Post by numbers on Dec 16, 2007 20:39:34 GMT 1
Them badges are shithot.
Mick Wadsworth had his back bedroom wallpapered with 'em.
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Post by Crosby on Dec 16, 2007 20:40:32 GMT 1
Them badges are shithot. Mick Wadsworth had his back bedroom wallpapered with 'em. Precisely - I agree absolutely. Bet Brucey is loaded too. Getting a badge means you can pass a course. A bit like a driving test. I passed mine, but I can't say I'm any good at it ;D |
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Post by LordyOfTheManor on Dec 16, 2007 20:48:37 GMT 1
do coaching badges mean anything? of course they do try telling that to the premier league coaches and managers how do u think they learn formations and tatics if it was a waste of time why do u have to have the badges to coach in the premier league tell you what its a waste of time going to uni to be a teacher then? sorry mate but i fail to agree with you, although you have some interesting points. there are plenty of people who may have the right sort of qualifications, but that doesn't stop them from being incompetent and lacking the true understanding of what is needed. although in dungworth's and booty's defence, it doesn't help not them at all by not having an assistant manager to oversee their proceedings. |
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Post by kamaraisking on Dec 16, 2007 21:06:27 GMT 1
guess alex fergusons crap then? anyway getting back to the origanl question what makes people think our coaching staff are crap personally i think people jump on the banwagon a bit and dont actually think that its most of the players that are crap also the more qualifactions u have the better surley also agree u get experience on the job youre in put there bount to tell u something u dont know hence the more qualifactions u have the better
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Post by ACW on Dec 16, 2007 23:08:37 GMT 1
Watching Town's performances over the last few seasons, would you say the players look well-coached? We continually fail to master the basics of tracking, marking and moving off the ball. Our ball retention is embarassing and our defending is woeful. I accept that the players have to take some responsibility, but I see the same poor performances week after week, month after month, season after season. The coaches, along with the players and manager, must take responsibility for this.
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Post by Crosby on Dec 16, 2007 23:33:10 GMT 1
Watching Town's performances over the last few seasons, would you say the players look well-coached? We continually fail to master the basics of tracking, marking and moving off the ball. Our ball retention is embarassing and our defending is woeful. I accept that the players have to take some responsibility, but I see the same poor performances week after week, month after month, season after season. The coaches, along with the players and manager, must take responsibility for this. I agree in full Andy2. As fans we accept that at this level our players will have limitations, but we should be able to discern some pattern of play & basic organisation, which as your post emphasises we are just not seeing. I. |
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Post by stevvy on Dec 16, 2007 23:37:16 GMT 1
be nice to know if scoffer has been coached how to stay on the wing so that the left back actually has some support when going forward!
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Post by kilroy on Dec 16, 2007 23:42:40 GMT 1
A lot of you are rather silly.
The badges are pointless as most managers have them. So if they all have them there are not an adavantage if a manager has them...only a disadvantage if one doesnt.
You cant teach class, did anyone teach Cristiano Ronald what he knows? anyone teach Deigo Maradona? no one could do that could they?
And btw the badges mainly teach the managers how to talk to the media etc, rather than tactics and training.
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Post by kilroy on Dec 16, 2007 23:43:21 GMT 1
I could edit "Ronald" but i shall not, it sounds good.
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Post by kilroy on Dec 17, 2007 0:37:36 GMT 1
And Im currently going for my coaching badges....Better than trying for the referee ones i suppose!
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Post by johnjohnson on Dec 17, 2007 1:00:10 GMT 1
Ronald does sound good, maybe if you started calling him that he'd stop diving?
Also if you started calling Diego Maradona by his proper name, maybe he would stop having heart attacks?
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 17, 2007 11:29:09 GMT 1
The thing is Dungworth played a large part in bringing through a lot of our youngsters. I think he has a decent idea, he's been around enough other clubs to pick up an idea or two.
At the end of the day, if you go up to Storthes Hall when they're training AR is always there (as he should be IMO) holding the training sessions with Dungworth and Booty carrying out his specific drills.
Don't forget AR headed up L**ds academy for a while (in addition to managing Oldham and Barnsley) so he will have plenty of coaching ideas himself
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