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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 8, 2011 19:55:35 GMT 1
It's a disgrace either way. FA needs to grow a pair on this one, dig heels in and call it off on principle if necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2011 19:56:03 GMT 1
Fook Fifa, we'll never win any of there comps anyway, nor stage any.
Tell em to bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2011 19:57:27 GMT 1
I would be willing to bet that the WHOLE COUNTRY would be behind the football team on this one. Not often we can say that, is it?  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2011 19:57:28 GMT 1
Wear them anyway. What are they gonna do?
If Blatter didnt come from a spineless country like Switzerland he might understand.
We embrace the ideals of many of our European ideals cousins within our team anyway. Our all white kit resembles the traditional French flag (white cross on a white background), our skippers a racist, our striker sleeps with hookers and our midfield fires as often as an Italian rifle. Never. Added that we have Captain Bertorelli as manager I think we have it all wrapped up.
Joking aside it is disgusting.
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Post by mphd4terrier on Nov 8, 2011 20:31:13 GMT 1
Even the government seem to be of the same view as the common man on this.... Now that is RARE!!!!
I sincerely hope we dig our heels in on this one because as was earlier said... Honouring lives lost by a whole host of people from various countries should be the only thing that matters, sod Blatter and the rest of his morons at FIFA.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2011 20:54:40 GMT 1
just do it.what will they do tell us off
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Post by OperationPig on Nov 9, 2011 3:25:22 GMT 1
What about a white armband with a poppy on it ? :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: The poppy then is not technically on the shirt, if they still objected then wear it anyway (fine etc) if the ref stopped the players then the game is called off lets see how much the world would support fifa then. We all know why fifa have dug it's heels in on this, how an organization like this has survived is beyond me anyway, the way it totally humiliated us over the world cup was sickening. I love football but part of me hated the sport over that affair and this is another example. |
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Post by stevvy on Nov 9, 2011 12:21:29 GMT 1
Even the PM is getting involved now telling FIFA to change their minds. I agree with those who say we should wear a shirt with the poppy on anyway. If that means we're not allowed on the pitch to play the game, fine, no problem, we just don't play.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2011 12:27:33 GMT 1
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Nov 9, 2011 12:28:07 GMT 1
Very clever move by the FA. They knew the rules but went ahead anyway knowing the outrage it would cause and it has kept the John Terry story out of the headlines. It has also given the poppy appeal massive publicity that the England players wearing it could never have done.
Sorry to use the phrase "very clever" and "FA." in the same sentence.
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Post by kennyk2 on Nov 9, 2011 12:44:05 GMT 1
1. I can understand FIFAs insistance on this and that's from a former serviceman. However, I certainly do not agree with their stance.
2. I also feel that the wearing of the poppy has become highly politicised over the last while - especially following the forays into Iraq and Afghanistan. Has it been hijacked by those who are supportive of these interventions?
3. This may have some benefit for the Royal British Legion, who's fundraising is suffering because of the Help for Heroes campaign. It has put them in the headlines.
4. Here is an answer:
Let the players wear a poppy on their shirts when they line up to play the national anthem before the match. They then take the poppies off and stick them in the ground at the half way line/beyond one of the goals - collecting them at the end of the match. This sends a signal to FIFA on the lines of "Ram it" without breaking their dictat.
5. I will still be shedding a silent tear when they play Elgar's Nimrod at the remembrance day parade at the cenotaph, thinking about my grandfather who was severly wounded in WW1 and those youngsters who never came back.
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Nov 9, 2011 14:46:59 GMT 1
I'm ex-military, Iraq & Bosnia plus a lot of other shit holes.
But I happen to support FIFAs ban - and here's why.
If you let us do it then Pandora's box is open.
What happens if Argentina play x country on the anniversary of the Falklands - are they allowed to wear a symbol honoring their dead with what we might deem an offensive symbol on it? A silhouette of the Falklands with the Argentina colors on it?
How about when Iran play x country - are they allowed to wear a similar symbol?
I would love England to wear poppies, I would, but if we do it you allow every other nutter nation around the world to jump on the bandwagon and start parading their political symbols.
The argument about poppies being political is another issue that you will never win - as some countries see it as political.
Anyway - I'd love to see it from a selfish point of view, lost many friends over the years and every year I do my thing wherever we are.
But to stop other nutters pushing their own agenda onto the world football stage it can't be allowed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2011 15:05:25 GMT 1
Argentina can stick a picture of the Falklands on their shirt but it wouldnt make one jot of difference. We nailed the soft bassa's and the islands belong to us!
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Post by marshterrier19 on Nov 9, 2011 16:53:42 GMT 1
Didn't think FIFA could sink any more in my estimation. I was wrong.
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Nov 9, 2011 16:55:25 GMT 1
I would be willing to bet that the WHOLE COUNTRY would be behind the football team on this one. Not often we can say that, is it? I would be willing to bet that they wouldn't. Been debating it at work and it seems pretty split opinion to be fair. |
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Nov 9, 2011 17:03:02 GMT 1
I'm ex-military, Iraq & Bosnia plus a lot of other shit holes. But I happen to support FIFAs ban - and here's why. If you let us do it then Pandora's box is open. What happens if Argentina play x country on the anniversary of the Falklands - are they allowed to wear a symbol honoring their dead with what we might deem an offensive symbol on it? A silhouette of the Falklands with the Argentina colors on it? How about when Iran play x country - are they allowed to wear a similar symbol? I would love England to wear poppies, I would, but if we do it you allow every other nutter nation around the world to jump on the bandwagon and start parading their political symbols. The argument about poppies being political is another issue that you will never win - as some countries see it as political. Anyway - I'd love to see it from a selfish point of view, lost many friends over the years and every year I do my thing wherever we are. But to stop other nutters pushing their own agenda onto the world football stage it can't be allowed. Agreed Jimmy. This is the point I've been making at work. It's not FIFA's job to decide on politics, granting permission for one symbol here but not for another there. They need to stick to concentrating on the football, need to get that right first before delving into unrelated issues. Why all the fuss this year anyway? There are international fixtures on this weekend every year, why have people suddenly kicked up a fuss now? |
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Post by marshterrier19 on Nov 9, 2011 17:06:13 GMT 1
Is wearing a Poppy not the same as wearing a black armband? Honouring the dead.
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Nov 9, 2011 17:10:09 GMT 1
Is wearing a Poppy not the same as wearing a black armband? Honouring the dead. I expect there is something in FIFA guidelines about a black armband being the universally accepted garment of mourning. Plain, simple and not open to political abuse, while getting the point accross as effectively as anything else. |
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Post by mphd4terrier on Nov 9, 2011 17:33:18 GMT 1
Just heard a good one on Sky Sports News... Wear short sleeved shirts and get the players temporary Poppy tattoo's on their arms!! Be better than nothing!
Also David Cameron not letting this one go, he's writing to FIFA now to seek clarification as to why.
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