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Post by bigtruck on Jan 10, 2012 16:53:54 GMT 1
Did I read somewhere that Rotherham's new stadium is costing 20 million. Pity we can't get 80,000 people to give £200 each = 16 million, and some would give more. If we had our own stadium KSDL (Ken's Stadium Development) and the Council would be in the s---. I'd love to see them wallowing in that. Something like that. The Keepmoat, although smaller, only cost 20+ million I believe. £50m for 35k stadium? Private Funding, Sports Funding and grants could take 30-50% of that. Promotion to the Championship would make the club attractive to investors and even buyers and a new ground wouldn't be that far out of the question imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 16:54:22 GMT 1
Would we be able to attract new investment for a new stadium to aid Sir Dean?
I know Brighton did for theirs!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 16:58:09 GMT 1
Would we be able to attract new investment for a new stadium to aid Sir Dean? I know Brighton did for theirs! Brighton paid £93 million for theirs.
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Post by philex on Jan 10, 2012 17:00:37 GMT 1
Did I read somewhere that Rotherham's new stadium is costing 20 million. Pity we can't get 80,000 people to give £200 each = 16 million, and some would give more. If we had our own stadium KSDL (Ken's Stadium Development) and the Council would be in the s---. I'd love to see them wallowing in that. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-11839150See attached, 12,000 seats expected to cost £20m
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Post by dazbil76 on Jan 10, 2012 17:02:25 GMT 1
The Keepmoat cost £32m
15,000 fans* all paying £2000 each for a share in the stadium and Deano puts in the £2m
Then the fans all take a cut of the catering profits each games
See, it's simple...now where's that planning application gone???
* Before anyone questions 15,000, I'm talking about fans, not just the 12,000 that can make it to games every week
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 17:07:14 GMT 1
Would we be able to attract new investment for a new stadium to aid Sir Dean? I know Brighton did for theirs! Brighton paid £93 million for theirs. Thats ridiculously expensive though! Perhaps monehy raised through naming rights, stand names etc etc... just spitballing
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Post by Amigo on Jan 10, 2012 17:07:27 GMT 1
Would people accept selling Rhodes and Smithies to help fund a new stadium rather than using the money to immediately improve the squad?
I know the chances of this moving to a new stadium are next to zero I'm just curious as I'd be in favour.
The problem is a large percentage of our fans don't really know anything about this situation and it needs spreading to a larger audience to put more pressure on Davy as it probably looks to a lot of people not knowing the situation fully that it's just a few fans kicking off at our "saviour".
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Post by rantinray on Jan 10, 2012 17:07:32 GMT 1
One thing is certain and that is Mr Ken Davy is no gentleman. A hand shake/agreement means nothing to this man until the ink has dried on the paper.
What an absolute despicable bounder this man is. I bet he sleeps very soundly as the man has no conscience or ethics. I am sure Mrs Davy loves him very much but do you know what, she is in the minority.
What is our way forwards? I am in disbelief that we/I have no interest in our stadium which was built off the backs of thousands of past and present Leeds Road supporters. The club is the supporters but it would be nice to have our stadium which was built from the ashes of the past.
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Post by iceman909 on Jan 10, 2012 17:16:42 GMT 1
One thing is certain and that is Mr Ken Davy is no gentleman. A hand shake/agreement means nothing to this man until the ink has dried on the paper. In the words of Gus Poyet, heeepoocriiitt!
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Post by wezzahtfc on Jan 10, 2012 17:19:26 GMT 1
Brighton paid £93 million for theirs. Thats ridiculously expensive though! Perhaps monehy raised through naming rights, stand names etc etc... just spitballing Won't it be more expensive to buy the land in Brighton/the south east than it would be in Huddersfield or Calderdale though?
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Post by rantinray on Jan 10, 2012 17:25:40 GMT 1
One thing is certain and that is Mr Ken Davy is no gentleman. A hand shake/agreement means nothing to this man until the ink has dried on the paper. In the words of Gus Poyet, heeepoocriiitt! The audacity of the man who states that in his world a hand shake is all you need to clinch a deal. What an absolute horrible man.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 17:26:17 GMT 1
Thats ridiculously expensive though! Perhaps monehy raised through naming rights, stand names etc etc... just spitballing Won't it be more expensive to buy the land in Brighton/the south east than it would be in Huddersfield or Calderdale though? The Macalpine cost £40 million nearly 20 years ago.
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Post by aca00js on Jan 10, 2012 17:28:55 GMT 1
The Brighton stadium cost includes all the legal fees and failed planning permissions. Remember they was trying to build a stadium for best part of a decade.
THe cost of steal has shot up which has increased the cosst of building a new stadium as well
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Post by jacko1950 on Jan 10, 2012 17:31:34 GMT 1
One way which will affect Ken davy is bad publicity. He has painted himslef as a savour and benefactor to huddersfield, this is obviously important to him. bad publcity, public protests will damage him. First and easiest thing to do is gather outside the main entrance after the game on saturday and protest...there will be the press, all the toffs in the exec boxes and winers and diners in the bars and restaurant who will ask what is going on...then word will spread...Davy will not like having his name smeared...A few chants of Davy Out at the match, boycott the catering for sure, that affects his 60% share in KSDL...but a public gathering, noist but nothing illegal...can we get 1,000 fans outside the front this weekend ? I'll be there anyway..
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 10, 2012 17:32:43 GMT 1
Won't it be more expensive to buy the land in Brighton/the south east than it would be in Huddersfield or Calderdale though? The Macalpine cost £40 million nearly 20 years ago. You could double that now. And like Keith Lemon and his securi-pole said, we are legal obliged to play at the Galpharm. Now I'm sure we could worm out of this - But the legal costs of doing so would also be astronomical.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 17:36:55 GMT 1
disappointed,i was hoping for it to be in mids style,fairy tale terms.think i get the gist though :spaz: my take,patiently putting the heat under the old robdog? building pressure? over to us now? like the sky game protest idea
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Post by moorsideterrier on Jan 10, 2012 17:39:03 GMT 1
Don't buy anything else in that stadium that doesn't benefit Town. Couldnt agree more - hence HTSA's leaflets and website detail! I think it sums it up when Clr Harman makes reference to that action being unhelpful in his article.............................................................................it certainly is, because without the revenue, KSDL struggles which means ultimately their losses have to be underwritten solely by an amalgam of KD and the council!!!!!! KDs actions here maybe those of a successful businessman wanting to make as much money as possible........but they stink morally given his repeated assertions of his pride in saving the sporting clubs of Huddersfield!!! If you have any sense of decency Mr Davy, then do the right thing and get the deal done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :appl: :appl: i couldn't agree more, i for one say ,huddersfield town fans dont buy any more pies or any of that other fast food shit from the stadium, dont buy any more of that cheap crap ale in the stadium ,call into canalside for a few pints before the game,that way all the money goes to our fantastic chairman deano, not prune face davy... surely fans can last 2 hours without a pie or a pint,i certainly can of that muck they sell anyway...................lets stand up to prune face davy and the rest of KSDL :boxing:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 17:39:50 GMT 1
Unfortunately Ken looks to hold all the aces here...
He wins when DH agrees to pay back the loan stock. He wins when an apparently fair, or marginally biased rental formula is agreed (you'd have to assume that it was biased of course). When the deal is ready for the ink, he reneges and suggests something else to give him just that little bit more... (pure greed is the only explanation I can give here)
Dean offers arbitration, maybe assuming that they will take an impartial view and maybe split the 25k p/a down the middle? Fair do's you'd think...
Ken thinks that I'm not having this cheeky upstart who's made his money by offering real people a VFM product thinking he can dictate things, these are done on my terms... (I expect Ken sees himself as a real businessman who's made his money out of selling "advice" & commission from finance houses - ie not selling anyone a tangible product, he just jumped on the ponzi scheme called the City of London and financial de-regulation).
Dean thinks that Ken might see sense, seeing as he stands to lose 3m...
Ken for some unknown reason thinks he still has the upper hand and refuses to come back to the table and talk sense...
So we're now in a position where we were at the outset, though Dean Hoyle might have the ability to re-negotiate the 3m loan stock? (if that offer was tied into the expiry of the deal?)
In my over simplistic view of the world and given that the only ones to make a living from this so far have been some sharp suited lawyers, it could appear that Ken is now dragged back to the table to try and recoup his 3m, meantime, Dean has maybe another year of rental payments that he can pay in lieu of the 3m loan stock and is hoping that KD sees sense...
I've said before that I just can't fathom why KD is being so obstinate, other than him just playing some strangely narcisstic game with everyone? He stood to make more than he ever ploughed in, he stands to secure financial security for the Giants by having a strong anchor partner, not tenant (who by default I have to assume can up and leave him & KMC without an anchor tenant), just what drives him I don't know...
So hopefully this is Deans last Olive branch & for all the seemingly daft suggestions about re-location it doesn't take much to imagine a ground share scenario which could financially cripple KSDL being considered as a last resort... I'm sure there will be some clubs and/or Councils willing to offer more sensible and short term deals given the state of their finances, some I'm sure would jump at the opportunity to have us...
Apologies for the ramble, but as said I hope that some of Davy's more pragmatic advisors get him to see sense because the longer term option for Ken might not be so great, the downside of course is that KMC council tax payers will get dragged in through other means...
Your call Ken, (very smeared) "Saviour" or out & out Shyster?
Let's hope the Examiner pull no punches here - though I guess they'll have blocked comments on any stories they print.
Another note of thanks to mids/Bro/HTSA and no doubt many others. I thought I was patient but by God dealing with Ken Davy must be an ongoing scar on your mental state - I wish you all the best and thanks for the tenacity in all this...
Onwards & Upwards...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 17:42:38 GMT 1
The Macalpine cost £40 million nearly 20 years ago. You could double that now. And like Keith Lemon and his securi-pole said, we are legal obliged to play at the Galpharm. Now I'm sure we could worm out of this - But the legal costs of doing so would also be astronomical. Im not sure how legally binding it is though. Surely the contract can be challenged in court, given that the current owner had no input into the contract when it was signed and he is having to foot the astronomical Rent. Id challenge that the shares which belonged to the club were sold against the wishes of the fans (the clubs biggest source of income) and that being tied into a lease by the devil himself is not viable. Im no lawyer but im sure something could be done
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 17:45:24 GMT 1
One way which will affect Ken davy is bad publicity. He has painted himslef as a savour and benefactor to huddersfield, this is obviously important to him. bad publcity, public protests will damage him. First and easiest thing to do is gather outside the main entrance after the game on saturday and protest...there will be the press, all the toffs in the exec boxes and winers and diners in the bars and restaurant who will ask what is going on...then word will spread...Davy will not like having his name smeared...A few chants of Davy Out at the match, boycott the catering for sure, that affects his 60% share in KSDL...but a public gathering, noist but nothing illegal...can we get 1,000 fans outside the front this weekend ? I'll be there anyway.. Shame that the SL season is still a way away because protesting outside Giants games might have even more impact. For all the Giants fans who won't listen and wear claret & gold blinkers there will be some who no doubt will listen and if they have an ounce of morals will support any campaign to see the right thing done... The way to play this for Giants fans is simply to reverse the scenario and ask how they would feel if Dean Hoyle had shafted the Giants... Beggars belief does all this, immoral, blinkered, obstinate, I certainly don't see them as character traits of a saviour...
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Post by Larry David on Jan 10, 2012 17:49:12 GMT 1
ive sent this....
Dear Mr Davy
I read with interest about the Kirklees Stadium (that was its name before numerous companies paid money to sponsor it I believe?) share issue.
Firstly, the initial name of the construction project to replace Leeds Road was ‘Kirklees Stadium’. I presume this was not just for effect, but to enable sports teams across Kirklees, specifically Huddersfield Town AFC who are the largest and most successful of these teams to represent the area? I was 14 I think when the Kirklees Stadium was built, and I specifically remember the 40% / 40% / 20% split between HTAFC / KC and HRLFC. Nowadays, as we all too well know, this arrangement is not in place, and HTAFC stand to gain nothing from being involved in this stadium. How can this be so? Is this because you ‘rescued’ HTAFC? Are you taking our rightful 40% as your product fee?
Today (10/01/12) our chairman and real saviour of Huddersfield Town AFC, Mr Dean Hoyle, has issued a statement which is simple to understand. From reading it in detail I gather that you have reneged on a deal which you previously agreed to regarding the transfer of the shares. I don’t know why this is the case, nor do I particularly care, but I do think it shows what kind of person you are. What I do really care about is HTAFC, and I feel that your actions are completely unacceptable. How dare you walk around claiming to be the saviour of this great club, and indeed the our life president? In 50 years’ time, when you and possibly I have gone from this world, I don’t think for one minute you will be remembered as a saviour or life president. In fact if you do keep reneging on deals which appear to help the stadium, community and HTAFC (which these recent courses of action taken by you appear to do) will most likely be referred to as the darkest days of our club.
In your own words several years ago you ‘rescued’ the club from administration. Let’s not beat around the bush, you didn’t rescue us did you? There were other offers on the table, and it would seem you now want your money back? Strange definition of rescue if you ask me. I think a more apt definition of what you have done and indeed are doing for HTAFC is slowly strangling us, gradually attempting to squeeze the life out of Dean Hoyle and the supporters. I can tell you now this will not work.
If you really love Huddersfield as you claim, sort this issue out and make good on the deal you shook on in December 2009. If you are not willing to do this, I can only foresee protests, campaigns, petitions, deputations against the Council and KSDL to highlight this issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 17:52:46 GMT 1
Hilly, he's immoral, but sadly he doesn't appear to have done anything crooked in this respect.
I'm sure it's been asked way back when, but why did he feel the need to transfer something that was deemed "worthless" when he shifted the share to HSP? Anything that's worthless but I might need to keep it gets chucked in a drawer or the garage... Granted that KD will have had wind of things like HD1 way before we ever did, but his statement of "protection" was surely to protect HTFC and the share from some greedy, unscrupulous property developer who might want to build over the ground...
Oh, hang on a minute...
BTW, in addition to my ramble above I was going to add that the only other way Ken might back down is for the HD1 scheme to collapse or at least stated as not being viable or something that will glean any form of return for about 15 yrs...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 17:55:01 GMT 1
I'd put £3,000 if there ever was a share based investment deal!
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Post by jimharrogate on Jan 10, 2012 18:06:01 GMT 1
I'm sure that a stadium could be built for less now than it did a few years ago but we need to get our own stadium back. To all fans just take a pie and soft drink into the stadium and bring them out at half time. Many already do this and always have brought flasks and half time nibbles. Just them for Sky to film at Brentford game.
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Post by jacko1950 on Jan 10, 2012 18:22:33 GMT 1
emails to ken davy at simplybiz are being met with out of office indefinately replies..You could flood his simplybiz contact us facility, entering dummy name and addresses but you can fill in a message...about the shares...and swamp their web site with complaints..
Another bad thought I had, Davy could just sell off the shareholding to a 3rd party, taking it our of his hands , and deans, permanantly !! pocketing the £m he gets and walking away.
I convicned there is an ulterior motive here somewhere for Davy, something is going on we don't know about...something worse than what we have now...
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on Jan 10, 2012 18:23:24 GMT 1
So HTFC are still contributing to additional payments for the office/shop extension to the riverside stand ? How much rent does Davy's SimplyBiz company pay for use of "our" office extension ?! I stated this in a post a few weeks ago and as I said in that post the rent dickhead pays for his offices does not cover the loan repayment.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fact
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on Jan 10, 2012 18:26:17 GMT 1
I think the statement produced here by Deano is spot on and reveals enough information for us to know what's been going on. KD is one shifty individual (if we didn't know already!). Boycott all stadium food/drinks etc. it's a good idea but I think some folk will still buy from it. More patience and time needed and I hope we get a resolution soon. I'm not sure food boycott would work because I think a catering company pays rent directly for the privilege , so would only affect them, although in the long run they would loose money and pull out.!!!!
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on Jan 10, 2012 18:28:14 GMT 1
Don`t go in the Ropewalk before or after a game. Go to the Canalside instead where all your monet goes to HTAFC. Yeah good ideas and get some canal side burger vans outside the stadium......
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Post by rantinray on Jan 10, 2012 18:30:58 GMT 1
When the Giants start their season could we turn up in blue and white outside the main entrance before he came and while his corporate people walked into the stadium. Placards and scarves held high but a silent statement?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 18:33:44 GMT 1
emails to ken davy at simplybiz are being met with out of office indefinately replies..You could flood his simplybiz contact us facility, entering dummy name and addresses but you can fill in a message...about the shares...and swamp their web site with complaints.. Another bad thought I had, Davy could just sell off the shareholding to a 3rd party, taking it our of his hands , and deans, permanantly !! pocketing the £m he gets and walking away. I convicned there is an ulterior motive here somewhere for Davy, something is going on we don't know about...something worse than what we have now... Yeah, but which clown would buy a "worthless" share...
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